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(Buzzfeed)   Fox News invites religious scholar to discuss new book about historical Jesus. Interviewer spends entire interview confused as to why a religious scholar would be interested in Jesus   (buzzfeed.com) divider line 211
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2013-07-28 05:14:07 PM  
I've listened to several ACTUAL interviews with this guy about the book and it sounds rather fascinating.  I'll be getting a copy soon.

But seriously, did anyone expect anything else from Fox on this?
 
2013-07-28 05:21:17 PM  
This frustrates me so much. Sure, we see how obtuse the interviewer is, but most of the viewers probably don't see it that way. They see an ivory-tower intellectual condescendingly telling them that he knows more about Jesus than they do, and he has the audacity to be Muslim, so it must be yet another liberal attack on Christianity. I respect Dr. Aslan for being willing to engage with Fox News (and I'm proud that he earned his doctorate from my school, even though I'm in a different department), but I'm frustrated that he played right into their narrative.

After all, how could someone study Jesus and not come to the conclusion that he's the one true Messiah? His being a Muslim must have made him biased against Christianity; that's the only explanation they're willing to accept. Because they only "study" things to confirm their pre-existing beliefs, that's what all scholarship is.

/I've encountered that mindset even with non-political, non-religious topics. Some people do not understand what scholars do.
 
2013-07-28 05:33:14 PM  
...And if a Christian wrote a book on the Muslim religion (especially if it's a damning conclusion), I bet Fox would be fine with it.
 
2013-07-28 05:44:46 PM  
I was interested (but not surprised) to see that a Fox interviewer apparently believes that there can be no conclusion without an agenda of inextricably ingrained bias--that there is no way to be "fair and balanced."  Hmmm.

And then I went down to the bookstore and bought the book; I heard him interviewed on NPR a few weeks ago and it sounds very interesting.
 
2013-07-28 05:45:29 PM  
You can only be a New Testament scholar if you're a Christian.

And you can only be an entomologist if you're an insect.

Study it out.
 
2013-07-28 05:53:43 PM  
How many FOX hosts and regular guests have written books on Islam?  A lot.  And none are Muslims.

And I guaran-fkn-tee that Aslan is shiat ton more respectful of Jesus and Christianity than those dicks are of Islam and Mohammad and a  1 X 10googolplex times as scholarly than any of those derpy douchebags.
 
2013-07-28 06:16:13 PM  
weasel words left and right, "there are those who claim..."

she's got marching orders from her producers to take this guy down. farking embarrassing. i hope this burns up the social mediasphere.
 
2013-07-28 06:21:07 PM  
I find it more infuriating that she uses the phrase, "begs the question".
 
2013-07-28 06:28:47 PM  
Couldn't be the most embarrassing I remember one where the guest was owning so bad they broke away for breaking news about shark week.
 
2013-07-28 06:29:07 PM  
woman: WHY DON'T YOU DISCLOSE THAT YOU'RE A MUSLIM!!!!!
reza aslan: it says that i'm a muslim on page two of my book.
 
2013-07-28 06:31:30 PM  
How could a democrat write a book about Reagan????

The horrah, the horrah.

/pathetic
 
2013-07-28 06:37:49 PM  

Nadie_AZ: How could a democrat write a book about Reagan????

The horrah, the horrah.

/pathetic


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2013-07-28 06:42:24 PM  
I never really understood why, in the modern world, that christians choose to latch onto jews... as in "judeo-christian" this and that... other than to try to bulk up their numbers.

Muslims think more of Jesus than jews do. Jews think he was a misguided rabbi at best and had him executed. Muslims believe that he is amongst the greatest of all prophets, perhaps second only to Mohammed.

/of course as an atheist, it's all just a story to me, but I still find it interesting.
//prolly that crusades thing...huh
 
2013-07-28 06:54:19 PM  
The thing is, his How to Win a Cosmic War is a brilliant analysis of how Fundamentalism on all sides within the People of the Book has influenced the War on Terror. Particularly how Muslims themselves are more often the target by other Muslims in this set of conflicts, thanks to the implementation of takfir, the declaration of a Muslim as Infidel, which oddly enough has been expanded upon by extremists to brand their political rivals and those who preach moderation to expand their reach and influence. He didn't spare Muslims in his critique, nor did he shy away from the Israel, and tracked the rise of Fundamentalism here in the US and in Europe as well. It is the sort of thing that I highly recommend to anyone who wants to understand the conflicts that we face, as well as their motivations beyond, The West as the Great Shaitan.

The concept of the People of the Book tends to be lost. Jews, Christians, Muslims, they all share a deity, albeit different perspectives. Christianity is Judaism 2.0. Islam is Judaism 3.0. A lot of folks tend to gloss this over, as well as the fact that the current conflicts are not JUST about religion, but likewise rose out of very political conflicts, and responses to specific pressures that don't simply date back to the Crusades, but are very much modern responses. Fundamentalism is a banner to rally not just the faithful, but to gather political power at the same time, and use the trappings to garner yet more.

Yes, my Buddhist tochis DOES actually pay attention to what folks within my Grandmother's faith do and say. My own experience with Christianity and Judaism and Islam have been shaped by time within the South, and in Europe, and that perspective helps to look at these faiths, not just in conflict spiritually, but likewise, in conflict for the hearts and minds of folks both here and abroad, and to be able to look at these brother and sister faiths, that might help folks realize that the "enemy" isn't the faith itself, but the folks who are looking to use their faith as a shield from the very political maneuverings--here and abroad. Beyond just conflicts in the Middle East, beyond Israel, and even unto the clinic bombings here, and the very calculated exercise to have prayer in our schools, and the teaching of only particular Christian philosophies in our classrooms. It isn't just about Islam, nor Judaism, but Fundamentalism itself that seeks to simplify a chaotic world, and pare down competition, which gets in the way of that simplicity of message, and simplicity of response.
 
2013-07-28 07:06:42 PM  
I remember debating Reza in high school, he will debate you on anything. Nice to see that he's continued to hone his knowledge and skill over the years.
 
2013-07-28 07:06:53 PM  

zamboni: I never really understood why, in the modern world, that christians choose to latch onto jews... as in "judeo-christian" this and that... other than to try to bulk up their numbers.


Because they're not as brown.
 
2013-07-28 07:12:28 PM  

Forty-Two: This frustrates me so much. Sure, we see how obtuse the interviewer is, but most of the viewers probably don't see it that way. They see an ivory-tower intellectual condescendingly telling them that he knows more about Jesus than they do, and he has the audacity to be Muslim, so it must be yet another liberal attack on Christianity. I respect Dr. Aslan for being willing to engage with Fox News (and I'm proud that he earned his doctorate from my school, even though I'm in a different department), but I'm frustrated that he played right into their narrative.

After all, how could someone study Jesus and not come to the conclusion that he's the one true Messiah? His being a Muslim must have made him biased against Christianity; that's the only explanation they're willing to accept. Because they only "study" things to confirm their pre-existing beliefs, that's what all scholarship is.

/I've encountered that mindset even with non-political, non-religious topics. Some people do not understand what scholars do.


Did we watch the same interview? He spent the entire interview owning her ignorant ass.
But maybe I just see it that way because of my bias...?
 
2013-07-28 07:12:58 PM  

hubiestubert: Yes, my Buddhist tochis DOES actually pay attention to what folks within my Grandmother's faith do and say. My own experience with Christianity and Judaism and Islam have been shaped by time within the South, and in Europe, and that perspective helps to look at these faiths, not just in conflict spiritually, but likewise, in conflict for the hearts and minds of folks both here and abroad, and to be able to look at these brother and sister faiths, that might help folks realize that the "enemy" isn't the faith itself, but the folks ...


How as a Buddhist do you feel qualified to talk about the Abrahamic religions? Why are you in this thread?
 
2013-07-28 07:15:49 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: How many FOX hosts and regular guests have written books on Islam?  A lot.  And none are Muslims.

And I guaran-fkn-tee that Aslan is shiat ton more respectful of Jesus and Christianity than those dicks are of Islam and Mohammad and a  1 X 10googolplex times as scholarly than any of those derpy douchebags.


This times a million bazillion.
 
2013-07-28 07:17:15 PM  
Fox News Anchor says, "Fox News Propaganda Talking Points"
Scholar says, "Scholarly, intelligent things"
Fox News Anchor hears instead, "words, words, words words, and then says, "Fox News Propaganda Talking Points".
Scholars says, "No, scholarly intelligent things"
Fox News Anchor, having heard/understood nothing said, says, "Fox News Propaganda Points" without even being able to understand that there can be thought outside of blind ideology bias.

That has to be one of the most ultimate public displays of Fox News ideological propaganda and its willful ignorance.
 
2013-07-28 07:19:53 PM  

RedPhoenix122: zamboni: I never really understood why, in the modern world, that christians choose to latch onto jews... as in "judeo-christian" this and that... other than to try to bulk up their numbers.

Because they're not as brown.


it's a form of originalism in the same way constitutional originalism works, they claim to have some ancient claim to knowledge and ethics and thus anything counter to them is counter to god/founding fathers/time immortal. They hold a truth and thus your views if counter are a falsehood

Also makes me think of my favorite Disraeil quote:"Yes, I am a Jew, and when the ancestors of the right honorable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon."
people hate to be remind there where greats before them and greats will rise after them

//hate the term Judeo-Christian, as someone raised Jewish my views rarely match those who use the term Judeo-Christian. Please read the Pirkei Avot before discussing Jewish ethics
 
2013-07-28 07:25:19 PM  

FlashHarry: woman: WHY DON'T YOU DISCLOSE THAT YOU'RE A MUSLIM!!!!!
reza aslan: it says that i'm a muslim on page two of my book.


I can confirm this.

/downloaded the book about an hour ago
//probably would have bought it anyway (eventually), but, thanks to FOX, I bought it today.
///Author's Note and introduction are very good, and not only respectful, but full of awe of and admiration for Jesus.
////but he did point out that he no longer believes the Bible to be the inerrant, literal Word of God, as he once did, so...

STONE THE HERETIC!!1!
 
2013-07-28 07:33:29 PM  

zedster: hubiestubert: Yes, my Buddhist tochis DOES actually pay attention to what folks within my Grandmother's faith do and say. My own experience with Christianity and Judaism and Islam have been shaped by time within the South, and in Europe, and that perspective helps to look at these faiths, not just in conflict spiritually, but likewise, in conflict for the hearts and minds of folks both here and abroad, and to be able to look at these brother and sister faiths, that might help folks realize that the "enemy" isn't the faith itself, but the folks ...

How as a Buddhist do you feel qualified to talk about the Abrahamic religions? Why are you in this thread?


I was raised here in America. In the Deep South, in Texas, with a step-mother who was Baptist, raised by my formerly Catholic-turned Methodist Grandmother. Sometimes folks' paths aren't as easy to discern. I've been to tent revivals. I was baptized in a Methodist church when I was younger. I went to Bible school in South Carolina and Louisiana. When I was in high school and college, I returned to my mother's faith, in part because of the teachings that I retained with my time with my father, and in part because the Eightfold Path makes more sense to me. But simply because someone doesn't follow a faith, doesn't mean that they're not familiar with it. Intimately even.

I'm in this thread, because oddly enough, I think that Reza Aslan is a brilliant scholar. Are you here just to crap on others' contributions, or do you have a better point to make on the article or author in question?
 
2013-07-28 07:36:37 PM  

hubiestubert: zedster: hubiestubert: Yes, my Buddhist tochis DOES actually pay attention to what folks within my Grandmother's faith do and say. My own experience with Christianity and Judaism and Islam have been shaped by time within the South, and in Europe, and that perspective helps to look at these faiths, not just in conflict spiritually, but likewise, in conflict for the hearts and minds of folks both here and abroad, and to be able to look at these brother and sister faiths, that might help folks realize that the "enemy" isn't the faith itself, but the folks ...

How as a Buddhist do you feel qualified to talk about the Abrahamic religions? Why are you in this thread?

I was raised here in America. In the Deep South, in Texas, with a step-mother who was Baptist, raised by my formerly Catholic-turned Methodist Grandmother. Sometimes folks' paths aren't as easy to discern. I've been to tent revivals. I was baptized in a Methodist church when I was younger. I went to Bible school in South Carolina and Louisiana. When I was in high school and college, I returned to my mother's faith, in part because of the teachings that I retained with my time with my father, and in part because the Eightfold Path makes more sense to me. But simply because someone doesn't follow a faith, doesn't mean that they're not familiar with it. Intimately even.

I'm in this thread, because oddly enough, I think that Reza Aslan is a brilliant scholar. Are you here just to crap on others' contributions, or do you have a better point to make on the article or author in question?


Pretty sure zedster was being sarcastic, love.
 
2013-07-28 07:36:55 PM  

hubiestubert: I'm in this thread, because oddly enough, I think that Reza Aslan is a brilliant scholar. Are you here just to crap on others' contributions, or do you have a better point to make on the article or author in question?


I was being sarcastic/playing off the video :-/
 
2013-07-28 07:43:51 PM  
I'm still working my way through this book, but so far it seems very good. I have to laugh every time I come across a quotation like "There is no evidence of this," or "This is false." It does a very good job of grounding Jesus in context, sweeping away manufactured biblical accounts (Roman censuses didn't require you to travel anywhere, so Jesus was only in Bethlehem because prophesies needed him to be there). If you read some of the reviews, be sure to check out the most negative critiques, because those are the ones that convinced me to buy the book.

If you're frothing at the mouth that a Muslim academic is blaspheming the unerring words of God by stripping away all the magic away with facts, evidence, and history... Sounds good. I'm in.
 
2013-07-28 07:44:14 PM  
Jesus is a very important prophet in Islam. There is a whole sura dedicated to his mother in the Quran.
 
2013-07-28 07:44:38 PM  

zedster: hubiestubert: I'm in this thread, because oddly enough, I think that Reza Aslan is a brilliant scholar. Are you here just to crap on others' contributions, or do you have a better point to make on the article or author in question?

I was being sarcastic/playing off the video :-/


Mea culpa. Mea culpa.
 
2013-07-28 07:44:54 PM  
Most Fox viewers saw "Aslan" and thought "Chronicles of Narnia"
 
2013-07-28 07:45:15 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: How many FOX hosts and regular guests have written books on Islam?  A lot.  And none are Muslims.


Those aren't books on Islam, those are books on terrorism. It's not the writers' fault that only Muslims can be terrorists.

/And if you believe that, I've got a truck full of fertilizer to sell to you to plant outside your nearest federal building.  It's not terrorism, it's "community-building".
 
2013-07-28 07:46:09 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: You can only be a New Testament scholar if you're a Christian.

And you can only be an entomologist if you're an insect.

Study it out.


Done in one.
 
2013-07-28 07:47:02 PM  
 
2013-07-28 07:47:12 PM  
"religious scholar"

lol
 
2013-07-28 07:47:18 PM  
Historical Jesus ROCKS!

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2013-07-28 07:47:21 PM  

Revek: Couldn't be the most embarrassing I remember one where the guest was owning so bad they broke away for breaking news about shark week.




As seen here.
 
2013-07-28 07:47:49 PM  
This begs the question, just HOW dumb is this woman?
 
2013-07-28 07:48:04 PM  

Dallymo: And then I went down to the bookstore and bought the book; I heard him interviewed on NPR a few weeks ago and it sounds very interesting.


Fresh Air interview
 
2013-07-28 07:48:30 PM  
And he was fun to watch on the daily show, too. Would have been more fun with Stewart, but Oliver will do, for now.
 
2013-07-28 07:50:05 PM  

zedster: Also makes me think of my favorite Disraeil quote:"Yes, I am a Jew, and when the ancestors of the right honorable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon."
people hate to be remind there where greats before them and greats will rise after them


He had a very romanticized view of the ancient Hebrews.
 
2013-07-28 07:50:57 PM  

TheUltimateFunctor: This begs the question, just HOW dumb is this woman?


These people's ideologies pervade every aspect of their lives.

It's unfathomable to them that somebody would be able to distance their religion or other biases from infecting everything they do.
 
2013-07-28 07:51:38 PM  

TheUltimateFunctor: This begs the question, just HOW dumb is this woman?


Fox Bio

So she can play piano, so she has that going for her
 
2013-07-28 07:55:23 PM  
Twitter was a-splodin' earlier with #foxnewslitcrit
 
2013-07-28 07:56:37 PM  
Because MOOSLIM!!1!  ::sigh::

I was happy to see the big-haired Faux News cretin getting owned. And yes, I got the book, too!
 
2013-07-28 07:59:28 PM  
Republicans, how's that minority outreach going?
 
2013-07-28 08:00:45 PM  
Meh. He's an academic lending Fox an air of legitimacy by agreeing to appear on that network in the first place. Fark him if he get's treated in an entirely predictable way...
 
2013-07-28 08:04:25 PM  

Earguy: ...And if a Christian wrote a book on the Muslim religion (especially if it's a damning conclusion), I bet Fox would be fine with it.


You phrase that as if it was a hypothetical.
 
2013-07-28 08:05:55 PM  

He_Hate_Me: Republicans, how's that minority outreach going?


"Well, as long as we can convince blacks and hispanics to be afraid of Muslims, we're golden!"
 
2013-07-28 08:07:19 PM  

He_Hate_Me: Republicans, how's that minority outreach going?


About the same as always.
 
2013-07-28 08:07:39 PM  
...I heard the NPR interview with this gentleman last week, and that was enough to convince me that Zealot is going to be on my 'I want' list.  The news twink in question deserves a ritual public shaming.
 
2013-07-28 08:09:54 PM  

doyner: I've listened to several ACTUAL interviews with this guy about the book and it sounds rather fascinating.  I'll be getting a copy soon.

But seriously, did anyone expect anything else from Fox on this?


I reviewed the book for a newspaper.  It was actually incredibly good, and superseded my expectations.  The review will be live later on, but in it, I pointed out that there will be people who will try to make "controversy" over a Muslim writing a book about Jesus.

\called it from a distance
\\surprised it took this long
 
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