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(Freedom From Religion)   Ha Ha HA HA HA, ROF, HA HA HA, Honk, HONK, GASP, OMG I can't breathe, ROF, I'm going to Hell for this, ROF, HA HA HA *sob* ...you don't pay taxes and you want my tax dollars to build you a what?   (ffrf.org) divider line 494
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2013-07-28 02:50:40 PM  
Um no.
 
2013-07-28 02:54:08 PM  

BizarreMan: Um no.

 
2013-07-28 02:58:51 PM  
i1214.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-28 03:03:28 PM  
The sad thing is, the way America is going, this will probably pass.
 
2013-07-28 03:17:54 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: The sad thing is, the way America is going, this will probably pass.


Enthusiastically, and "bi-partisan," too.  Faith shucksters from every creed and across partisan lines will support it, dominionists will get their slimy mitts on even more influence, and the partisan lemmings that constitute the OIDF will use it to paint their dear leader as a wise, compromising, and pragmatic leader.

/won't somebody think of the poor churches!
 
2013-07-28 03:30:55 PM  
Well, the National Cathedral does have this:
www.nationalcathedral.org
 
2013-07-28 03:32:29 PM  
This bill proposes that churches, synagogues, mosques, temples and other places of worship destroyed or damaged by natural disasters such as Hurricane Sandy should receive federal, financial aid.

Yeah, I'd like to see that.
 
2013-07-28 03:45:41 PM  

Boojum2k: BizarreMan: Um no.

 
2013-07-28 04:01:57 PM  
It's very simple, people.  If you don't give your money to the church, you are persecuting them.
 
2013-07-28 04:07:57 PM  
If they were the true church then god would have protected them.
 
2013-07-28 04:11:20 PM  
God is broke, Well ran dry
 
2013-07-28 04:16:07 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: God is broke, Well ran dry


He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshiat story. Holy shiat!

/RIP, Funny Man
 
2013-07-28 04:29:43 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: The sad thing is, the way America is going, this will probably pass.


Yes, probably, but only after the bill is amended to tie it to cutting spending on Medicare, Planned Parenthood, and the food stamp programs.
 
2013-07-28 04:36:39 PM  
A place of God, payed for by people of God, wrecked by an act of God.  I think I know who should pay for it.
 
2013-07-28 05:04:23 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-28 05:09:34 PM  
No problem. Start paying taxes. We'll tax you an extra 10% for the first, hmmm how about 15 years, to make up for all the years you didn't pay taxes.... Hey, where you going? Come back here. You don't like having to pay taxes?
 
2013-07-28 05:15:28 PM  
www.municirca.gob.pe ?
 
2013-07-28 05:20:40 PM  
 
2013-07-28 05:21:30 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: No problem. Start paying taxes. We'll tax you an extra 10% for the first, hmmm how about 15 years, to make up for all the years you didn't pay taxes.... Hey, where you going? Come back here. You don't like having to pay taxes?


15?

It'd have to be , say round up to 25 years, and an extra 25%--flat....on everything that they take in
So tax them at 50% of everything they collect 25 years and let them be subject to prperty and payroll tax too...
 
2013-07-28 05:31:46 PM  
As long as it's applied evenly, why should churches be treated any differently than anyone else?
 
2013-07-28 05:40:04 PM  

Mentat: As long as it's applied evenly, why should churches be treated any differently than anyone else?



Everyone else paid taxes and churches didn't, so it's automatically not being applied evenly.  They didn't pay in, so they can't draw out.  If they want a taxpayer-funded bailout, they can pay taxes like everyone else.  If they want to remain tax exempt, they can't expect taxpayers to foot the bill for their own failures.
 
2013-07-28 05:52:06 PM  

cretinbob: Peter von Nostrand: No problem. Start paying taxes. We'll tax you an extra 10% for the first, hmmm how about 15 years, to make up for all the years you didn't pay taxes.... Hey, where you going? Come back here. You don't like having to pay taxes?

15?

It'd have to be , say round up to 25 years, and an extra 25%--flat....on everything that they take in
So tax them at 50% of everything they collect 25 years and let them be subject to property and payroll tax too...


This is definitely a given
 
2013-07-28 05:52:48 PM  
People who don't support this bill want to see god taken out of government.
 
2013-07-28 05:58:52 PM  
Oh sure. Lend the money at an acceptable interest rate. Pay on time or foreclosure is an option.

Otherwise, fark off. Talk to your insurance company. If you don't have an insurance company... pray harder.

Shrug

Backup plan... be sure the christians and jews know that mosques will be built using their money, and muslims that synagogues will be built using their money. That'll bring all this to a screeching halt.
 
2013-07-28 06:05:31 PM  
I can't even believe something like is being considered.

Oh, wait...yes I can.
 
2013-07-28 06:39:03 PM  
I don't see what the big deal is.  Poor people don't pay any taxes and we shell out millions for them after every natural disaster.
 
2013-07-28 06:43:13 PM  
Wait...

I was under the impression that when federal funds were poured onto a declared disaster area, every business, municipal center, home, and religious place of worship got money???  I had no idea that churches and the like DID NOT receive funds today.

I guess my question is why does it matter?  I mean, if a whole city, town, county, etc. is destroyed, why would federal funds NOT be used to repair all that existed before disaster struck, including places of worship?

We can all sit here and be cynical bastards when it comes to religion, faith, magical sky wizards and the like, but like it or not, in a lot of towns the one or three places of worship are used as places to vote, central meeting places, places to revive charity, comfort...I...I guess I am pretty confused why people would object to funds going to them...
 
2013-07-28 06:44:31 PM  

Lsherm: I don't see what the big deal is.  Poor people don't pay any taxes and we shell out millions for them after every natural disaster.


Seperation of poor and state?
 
2013-07-28 06:52:32 PM  

Endive Wombat: Wait...

I was under the impression that when federal funds were poured onto a declared disaster area, every business, municipal center, home, and religious place of worship got money???  I had no idea that churches and the like DID NOT receive funds today.

I guess my question is why does it matter?  I mean, if a whole city, town, county, etc. is destroyed, why would federal funds NOT be used to repair all that existed before disaster struck, including places of worship?

We can all sit here and be cynical bastards when it comes to religion, faith, magical sky wizards and the like, but like it or not, in a lot of towns the one or three places of worship are used as places to vote, central meeting places, places to revive charity, comfort...I...I guess I am pretty confused why people would object to funds going to them...



8/10

Pretty good
 
2013-07-28 06:53:43 PM  
Don't laugh, people, this is not a joke to those who are pushing for this kind of thing. They're not here to make you laugh. They're dead serious. They have a mandate from God to do this, you see. And anyone who does not support them, why they're just Satan's minions who hate Jesus and their religion. Don't be fooled by their tongues!

Endive Wombat: I had no idea that churches and the like DID NOT receive funds today.I guess my question is why does it matter?  I mean, if a whole city, town, county, etc. is destroyed, why would federal funds NOT be used to repair all that existed before disaster struck, including places of worship?


Because churches and places of worship are entirely tax-free enterprises. And it's blatantly unconstitutional. There is that, too. Unless it passes the Lemon test - such as a shelter - it should not get tax funding to rebuild.
 
2013-07-28 07:09:23 PM  

Lsherm: I don't see what the big deal is.  Poor people don't pay any taxes and we shell out millions for them after every natural disaster.


Poor people pay taxes. They may not pay income taxes, but they pay taxes.
 
2013-07-28 07:10:16 PM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: Endive Wombat: Wait...

I was under the impression that when federal funds were poured onto a declared disaster area, every business, municipal center, home, and religious place of worship got money???  I had no idea that churches and the like DID NOT receive funds today.

I guess my question is why does it matter?  I mean, if a whole city, town, county, etc. is destroyed, why would federal funds NOT be used to repair all that existed before disaster struck, including places of worship?

We can all sit here and be cynical bastards when it comes to religion, faith, magical sky wizards and the like, but like it or not, in a lot of towns the one or three places of worship are used as places to vote, central meeting places, places to revive charity, comfort...I...I guess I am pretty confused why people would object to funds going to them...


8/10

Pretty good


I'm not trolling bro.  Sure, religious orgs do not pay income taxes, but their employees sure as hell do.  Call me silly, ignorant, etc. but I just do not see the distinction in a massive disaster area between a Home Depot and the local Lutheran Church when it comes to federal emergency funds being spent.  I personally would rather see it get rebuilt/repaired, that means more money is being spent to use local contracting companies...

Do you at least see where my head is at on the matter?
 
2013-07-28 07:11:38 PM  

dr_blasto: Lsherm: I don't see what the big deal is.  Poor people don't pay any taxes and we shell out millions for them after every natural disaster.

Poor people pay taxes. They may not pay income taxes, but they pay taxes.


I've got a very stupid question...do churches and the like pay local/state property taxes on the real estate they own?
 
2013-07-28 07:16:41 PM  

Endive Wombat: I'm not trolling bro.  Sure, religious orgs do not pay income taxes, but their employees sure as hell do.  Call me silly, ignorant, etc. but I just do not see the distinction in a massive disaster area between a Home Depot and the local Lutheran Church when it comes to federal emergency funds being spent.  I personally would rather see it get rebuilt/repaired, that means more money is being spent to use local contracting companies...


Because the US Constitution and the SCOTUS rulings have established that public funds cannot go to a religious organization unless it serves a distinctly secular purpose. A house of worship is, by it's very definition, non-secular and purely religious in nature.
 
2013-07-28 07:25:11 PM  

Endive Wombat: dr_blasto: Lsherm: I don't see what the big deal is.  Poor people don't pay any taxes and we shell out millions for them after every natural disaster.

Poor people pay taxes. They may not pay income taxes, but they pay taxes.

I've got a very stupid question...do churches and the like pay local/state property taxes on the real estate they own?


Churches generally pay zero property taxes on real estate or other real property.
 
2013-07-28 07:32:48 PM  
Your god broke it, let your god fix it.

NO.
 
2013-07-28 07:32:58 PM  
Damn Christians.  They should be beaten and burned at the stake!

But hey, check this out...
 
2013-07-28 07:33:31 PM  
dr_blasto: Poor people pay taxes. They may not pay income taxes, but they pay taxes.

I also don't remember the last time poor people came to my door, asking me for money and telling me to change the way I live or their invisible man was going to send me to an imaginary place when I die.
 
2013-07-28 07:35:25 PM  

Endive Wombat: Runs_With_Scissors_: Endive Wombat:


 I'm not trolling bro.  Sure, religious orgs do not pay income taxes, but their employees sure as hell do.  Call me silly, ignorant, etc. but I just do not see the distinction in a massive disaster area between a Home Depot and the local Lutheran Church when it comes to federal emergency funds being spent.  I personally would rather see it get rebuilt/repaired, that means more money is being spent to use local contracting companies...


Do you at least see where my head is at on the matter?


OK. I'll bite.

Stipulating that churches pay no taxes:

The few church employees there are pay taxes, as does Home Depot (however minimally) and provides jobs, which in turn generates more taxes.

The distinction is that when you rebuild business and houses it rebuilds a community.
 
2013-07-28 07:36:01 PM  

Endive Wombat: dr_blasto: Lsherm: I don't see what the big deal is.  Poor people don't pay any taxes and we shell out millions for them after every natural disaster.

Poor people pay taxes. They may not pay income taxes, but they pay taxes.

I've got a very stupid question...do churches and the like pay local/state property taxes on the real estate they own?


No.
 
2013-07-28 07:36:44 PM  
No food stamps for starving children, but Joel Osteen's megachurch needs a few million after suffering some flood damage.
 
2013-07-28 07:38:34 PM  
Um yeah, no.

Not okay with this.
 
2013-07-28 07:38:55 PM  

Endive Wombat: Sure, religious orgs do not pay income taxes, but their employees sure as hell do.


Depends on the employee

The janitor, yes, the Minster, no.
So if the minister performs custodial duties....no.
 
2013-07-28 07:39:39 PM  
Refusing aid that would otherwise go to an organization solely because of their sectarian purpose would violate the Establishment Clause.
 
2013-07-28 07:41:08 PM  

FloydA: Mentat: As long as it's applied evenly, why should churches be treated any differently than anyone else?


Everyone else paid taxes and churches didn't, so it's automatically not being applied evenly.  They didn't pay in, so they can't draw out.  If they want a taxpayer-funded bailout, they can pay taxes like everyone else.  If they want to remain tax exempt, they can't expect taxpayers to foot the bill for their own failures.


You're wrong. Just admit you hate religious people and want them to suffer and be honest with us. You are a bigot.
 
2013-07-28 07:41:51 PM  

Nabb1: Refusing aid that would otherwise go to an organization solely because of their sectarian purpose would violate the Establishment Clause.


Not true. See Lemon v. Kurtzman, the SCOTUS case which established the Lemon Test for government funding of religious organizations. This is why it would be perfectly legal to give federal disaster funding to an organization which, though religious, runs a disaster shelter which is open to all, but not legal to give a church congregation funds to rebuild their house of worship.
 
2013-07-28 07:42:15 PM  
and this thread shows why atheists are persona non grata in polite society
 
2013-07-28 07:42:18 PM  

Nabb1: Refusing aid that would otherwise go to an organization solely because of their sectarian purpose would violate the Establishment Clause.


I know you are trolling, but there really are people this stupid.  Please stop. You hurt my brain.

Look, churches are tax exempt.  "No money in."  Then, we work hard to make sure that they don't get federal monies to promote their religion. "No money out." (Not from lack of trying, mind you.)

Protecting that money is an adherence to, not a violation of, the Establishment Clause.
 
2013-07-28 07:42:43 PM  

BizarreMan: Um no.


This and, if they don't like it, they could go to hell.
 
2013-07-28 07:42:50 PM  

Lsherm: I don't see what the big deal is.  Poor people don't pay any taxes and we shell out millions for them after every natural disaster.


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