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(The New York Times)   Worldwide, oranges are succumbing to a disease. In Florida, the battle is on to save oranges, via genetically modified trees. Growers want to know -- if a spinach gene was inserted into orange trees would you still drink orange juice?   (nytimes.com ) divider line
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2013-07-28 04:57:56 PM  
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I'd watch out for those damn tarantulas
 
2013-07-28 05:03:15 PM  
Um, yes.  It's all DNA, who the fark cares?
 
2013-07-28 05:08:38 PM  
Pay wall fail
 
2013-07-28 06:00:10 PM  
Buy, Mortimer, buy!
 
2013-07-28 06:03:18 PM  

Mentat: Um, yes.  It's all DNA, who the fark cares?


so, you'd eat oranges with hemlock DNA?  Because its just DNA carrying all the instructions for hemlock.

I wonder what happens when two DNA's tangle in the same plant, can only be a good outcome right?
 
2013-07-28 06:06:03 PM  
Now Popeye can kick Bluto's ass, and fight scurvy, too.
 
2013-07-28 06:06:49 PM  

EHRMERGERGD GEEEEEEEMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSS.


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2013-07-28 06:09:15 PM  
Wouldn't it be Green Juice?
 
2013-07-28 06:28:20 PM  
I bought a electric citrus juicer and have not had commercial, pastuerized, flavanoid, concentrated orange juice for years.
 
2013-07-28 06:30:58 PM  

Nickster79: Pay wall fail


Yes. I'm getting that too. The NYT is up to something funky because I have submitted threads that have gone green and I can see the NYT site fine and yet people say they get a pay wall. Now the shoe is on the other foot. So I do not blame subby.
 
2013-07-28 06:38:50 PM  
As long as a screwdriver tastes like a screwdriver, do whatever the hell you want with the oranges.
 
2013-07-28 06:43:41 PM  
Monocultures are bad mmkay. If we practiced more diversity in species we wouldn't face this kind of shiat. But that means you can't have factory farming and Monsanto will only make gobs of money and not ungodly gobs of money.
 
2013-07-28 06:45:27 PM  
It doesn't really matter. You're only really tasting the flavor pack:

http://civileats.com/2009/05/06/freshly-squeezed-the-truth-about-ora ng e-juice-in-boxes/
 
2013-07-28 06:52:57 PM  

Mister Buttons: As long as a screwdriver tastes like a screwdriver, do whatever the hell you want with the oranges.


I made the mistake one time of ordering a "screwdriver" on a flight. Passenger next to me for foreign and didn't understand, he kinda freaked out.. Never again.
 
2013-07-28 06:58:30 PM  

antron: It doesn't really matter. You're only really tasting the flavor pack:

http://civileats.com/2009/05/06/freshly-squeezed-the-truth-about-ora ng e-juice-in-boxes/


Came here to say this.  I see everything is already in order.

I wouldn't drink it, but that's because I'm mildly allergic and have grown to hate the flavor.
 
2013-07-28 06:59:53 PM  
Why don't they just make a hybrid tree that can live in a climate where you don't need millions of pounds of chemicals to protect the trees from the swamp that is Florida?
 
2013-07-28 07:00:30 PM  
As a programmer, I just see genetic code as functions/subroutines/methods/libraries/whatever you want to call a block of code.

IMO, taking a block of code (say networking code) out of a program (say an IRC client) and putting it into another program (say a web browser) doesn't turn the second program into an IRC client.\

Therefore, taking a string of genetic code out of broccoli and putting it into an orange doesn't make the orange more broccoli like.
 
2013-07-28 07:09:42 PM  
This is an untested and dangerous example of corporate frankenfoods. This is a prime example on why organic food can save us while the corporatacrosy attempts to destroy humanity. When are you sheeple going to realize this? The time to take up arms to fight against Monsanto is getting closer every day. The science of DEATH is what you are eating and I for one think its time to stand against them and take our world back!
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2013-07-28 07:20:15 PM  
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2013-07-28 07:21:59 PM  

stuhayes2010: Mentat: Um, yes.  It's all DNA, who the fark cares?

so, you'd eat oranges with hemlock DNA?  Because its just DNA carrying all the instructions for hemlock.

I wonder what happens when two DNA's tangle in the same plant, can only be a good outcome right?


In this thread: A whole bunch of people who have no idea how DNA and/or a genome work.
 
2013-07-28 07:22:28 PM  
Organic food is one of the greatest rip offs in history. Unbelievable how many fall for that crap. Pay twice as much for half the quality. Suckers!
 
2013-07-28 07:30:55 PM  

Pick: Organic food is one of the greatest rip offs in history. Unbelievable how many fall for that crap. Pay twice as much for half the quality. Suckers!


nice one, one point removed for obvious parody. 6.789/10
 
2013-07-28 07:31:41 PM  
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2013-07-28 07:32:48 PM  

stuhayes2010: so, you'd eat oranges with hemlock DNA?  Because its just DNA carrying all the instructions for hemlock.

I wonder what happens when two DNA's tangle in the same plant, can only be a good outcome right?


Science knows the answers, but for you to unlock them you'd have to crack open a high school biology textbook.

Still waiting for most of the anti-GMO movement to do that.
 
2013-07-28 07:41:48 PM  

Giltric: Why don't they just make a hybrid tree that can live in a climate where you don't need millions of pounds of chemicals to protect the trees from the swamp that is Florida?


Citrus greening isn't limited to Florida though.  The Asian citrus psyllid, the insect vector for the pathogen, has been found in AL, AZ, CA, FL, HI, LA, MS,SC, TX, and the territories of Guam, Puerto Rico, and the US Virgin Islands.It's also found throughout Asia. If citrus trees were hybridized to grow in new climates, the psylids, which can survive freezing temperatures, would undoubtedly increase their geographic range too.
 
2013-07-28 07:43:41 PM  

stuhayes2010: Mentat: Um, yes.  It's all DNA, who the fark cares?

so, you'd eat oranges with hemlock DNA?  Because its just DNA carrying all the instructions for hemlock.

I wonder what happens when two DNA's tangle in the same plant, can only be a good outcome right?


Evergreen orange plants? Awesome!

/hemlock
 
2013-07-28 07:45:59 PM  
Honestly, no.  I've found OJ to be far too sweet for many years.  Grapefruit juice is where I go if I want a fruity breakfast beverage.
 
2013-07-28 07:47:07 PM  

antron: It doesn't really matter. You're only really tasting the flavor pack:

http://civileats.com/2009/05/06/freshly-squeezed-the-truth-about-ora ng e-juice-in-boxes/


So commercial orange juice is artificially flavored with ... stuff derived from oranges? The horror!
 
2013-07-28 07:47:26 PM  
Not a big orange juice fan, so no.

But if they could come up with fruit that's half guava, half pineapple, then I'm on board!
 
2013-07-28 07:59:53 PM  

antron: It doesn't really matter. You're only really tasting the flavor pack:

http://civileats.com/2009/05/06/freshly-squeezed-the-truth-about-ora ng e-juice-in-boxes/


THIS - plus the giant wad of added sugar - is why I don't touch the stuff.  V8, if they've got it, which already contains spinach.
 
2013-07-28 08:01:28 PM  

thebigearl: Not a big orange juice fan, so no.

But if they could come up with fruit that's half guava, half pineapple, then I'm on board!


Actually Gauva is a flavor enhancer, and they sneak it in the back door of many fruit juices to bring out the original fruit flavor.

In south america it is pretty common to find guava mixed with just about everything.
 
2013-07-28 08:09:06 PM  
hey could someone past the paywall repaste the article here?
 
2013-07-28 08:12:44 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: antron: It doesn't really matter. You're only really tasting the flavor pack:

http://civileats.com/2009/05/06/freshly-squeezed-the-truth-about-ora ng e-juice-in-boxes/

So commercial orange juice is artificially flavored with ... stuff derived from oranges? The horror!


uh the ethyl butyrate is synthetic, actually.
 
2013-07-28 08:19:37 PM  
www.khiewchanta.com
 
2013-07-28 08:24:22 PM  
as a species of citrus resistant to this bug i'm really getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2013-07-28 08:30:40 PM  
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I found this article to be rather uninformative.
 
2013-07-28 08:35:27 PM  

utah dude: ArcadianRefugee: antron: It doesn't really matter. You're only really tasting the flavor pack:

http://civileats.com/2009/05/06/freshly-squeezed-the-truth-about-ora ng e-juice-in-boxes/

So commercial orange juice is artificially flavored with ... stuff derived from oranges? The horror!

uh the ethyl butyrate is synthetic, actually.


It may be synthetic, but is ethyl butyrate found in oranges? Answer: yes.

"...ethyl butyrate, a chemical in the fragrance of fresh squeezed orange juice..."

the result being only that "...North American orange juice has higher-than-natural concentrations of ethyl butyrate...."

The chemicals they add are found in real, honest-to-god, fresh-squeezed orange juice.; commercial orange juice is artificially flavored with stuff derived from oranges.
 
2013-07-28 08:38:34 PM  
Would I still drink pay wall?
 
2013-07-28 08:46:05 PM  
Orange juice doesnt come from oranges... lol.

I'd say if we nuked the south-american conglomerate corporation out of existence then they'd stop spreading disease and fruit flies
 
2013-07-28 08:46:23 PM  

lordargent: As a programmer, I just see genetic code as functions/subroutines/methods/libraries/whatever you want to call a block of code.

IMO, taking a block of code (say networking code) out of a program (say an IRC client) and putting it into another program (say a web browser) doesn't turn the second program into an IRC client.\

Therefore, taking a string of genetic code out of broccoli and putting it into an orange doesn't make the orange more broccoli like.


The new genetic code inserted into the orange plant can have unpredictable interactions with the native genetic code. It might also do absolutely nothing.
 
2013-07-28 08:47:06 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: utah dude: ArcadianRefugee: antron: It doesn't really matter. You're only really tasting the flavor pack:

http://civileats.com/2009/05/06/freshly-squeezed-the-truth-about-ora ng e-juice-in-boxes/

So commercial orange juice is artificially flavored with ... stuff derived from oranges? The horror!

uh the ethyl butyrate is synthetic, actually.

It may be synthetic, but is ethyl butyrate found in oranges? Answer: yes.

"...ethyl butyrate, a chemical in the fragrance of fresh squeezed orange juice..."

the result being only that "...North American orange juice has higher-than-natural concentrations of ethyl butyrate...."

The chemicals they add are found in real, honest-to-god, fresh-squeezed orange juice.; commercial orange juice is artificially flavored with stuff derived from oranges.


the deal is, is that ethyl butyrate is a very healthy thing to consume,anyway. it's a way of delivering ethanol (FARKers like this, right?) with butyric acid (smells like vomit on it's own) directly to the gut, in a molecule with a sweet pineapple scent, where the butyric acid goes on to assist in digestion processes. oh the horror of a healthy organic solvent / faux-fragrance!
 
2013-07-28 08:48:33 PM  
 
2013-07-28 08:52:33 PM  
paywall fail, it's end of month and NYT only gives you 10 free per month.

fark oranges anyway.
 
2013-07-28 08:53:11 PM  
I'm strong to the finish, 'cause I eat me oranges?
 
2013-07-28 08:53:18 PM  

utah dude: smells like vomit on it's own


What do extra apostrophes smell like?
 
2013-07-28 08:56:19 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: utah dude: ArcadianRefugee: antron: It doesn't really matter. You're only really tasting the flavor pack:

http://civileats.com/2009/05/06/freshly-squeezed-the-truth-about-ora ng e-juice-in-boxes/

So commercial orange juice is artificially flavored with ... stuff derived from oranges? The horror!

uh the ethyl butyrate is synthetic, actually.

It may be synthetic, but is ethyl butyrate found in oranges? Answer: yes.

"...ethyl butyrate, a chemical in the fragrance of fresh squeezed orange juice..."

the result being only that "...North American orange juice has higher-than-natural concentrations of ethyl butyrate...."

The chemicals they add are found in real, honest-to-god, fresh-squeezed orange juice.; commercial orange juice is artificially flavored with stuff derived from oranges.


This. And if you do want to use OMG SYNTHETIC ethyl butyrate, want to know what you synthesize it from? Alcohol and butter.

Sit in your cave and eat grubs and lichen if you want, but don't try to stop me from buying wholesome foods that taste good.
 
2013-07-28 08:57:26 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: utah dude: smells like vomit on it's own

What do extra apostrophes smell like?


about like the missing space: "o consume,anyway. it "

i'm exhausted, bro.
 
2013-07-28 09:00:10 PM  

jfarkinB: This. And if you do want to use OMG SYNTHETIC ethyl butyrate, want to know what you synthesize it from? Alcohol and butter.


there aren't any stereocenters in ethyl butyrate so the whole synthetic vs. natural argument is kinda lost.
 
2013-07-28 09:07:02 PM  

RedVentrue: The new genetic code inserted into the orange plant can have unpredictable interactions with the native genetic code. It might also do absolutely nothing.


Which is exactly as true of random mutations which may occur naturally in the organism's original genetic code.
 
2013-07-28 09:10:10 PM  

poot_rootbeer: RedVentrue: The new genetic code inserted into the orange plant can have unpredictable interactions with the native genetic code. It might also do absolutely nothing.

Which is exactly as true of random mutations which may occur naturally in the organism's original genetic code.


especially in angiosperm plants (germ line derived from terminal portion of somatic line) / tip growth, all day long, in the UV painted sunlight.
 
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