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(Think Progress)   Undeterred by activist Supreme Court judges, Baton Rouge cops arrest gay men under unenforceable anti-sodomy law. Bonus irony: "Whether the law is valid is something for the courts to determine"   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 259
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2013-07-28 12:26:48 PM  
Why haven't any of the arrested/convicted challenged this in federal court?  Wouldn't that immediately resolve the problem?
 
2013-07-28 12:30:19 PM  

ambassador_ahab: Why haven't any of the arrested/convicted challenged this in federal court?  Wouldn't that immediately resolve the problem?


There aren't any convictions because the DA isn't picking up the charges. But add this to the long list of reasons I hate the "vortex of despair" that is Baton Rouge.
 
2013-07-28 12:33:17 PM  

ambassador_ahab: Why haven't any of the arrested/convicted challenged this in federal court?  Wouldn't that immediately resolve the problem?


Apparently Lawrence v. Texas was taken to the SCOTUS in 2003 and deemed unconstitutional.  But this is Louisiana.

Really doesn't help that the Sheriff's department spokeswoman has the last name of  Hicks
 
2013-07-28 12:37:15 PM  
FTFA:   District Attorney Hillar Moore III said that none of these cases have been prosecuted because no crime occurred, but these men are still being arrested, temporarily jailed, and fined merely for agreeing to private sexual activity.

So the DA is smart enough to realize that he'd lose any case that went to court, but he allows the Sheriff's Department to essentially keep arresting and harassing these men even though by his own admission there is no crime taking place.
 
2013-07-28 12:37:41 PM  
According to a statement from Casey Rayborn Hicks, a spokeswoman for the Sheriff's Office, the department clearly doesn't understand that the sodomy law is unenforceable

On the contrary, I think they know exactly what they're doing: using police power to effectively rob people engaged in completely lawful activity.

Someone needs to step up and section 1983 their asses, but since these guys are all presumably on the down low it probably not too likely
 
2013-07-28 12:39:06 PM  
According to a special report from the Baton Rouge Advocate, the Baton Rouge Sheriff's Office is conducting stings to find men willing to have consensual gay sex and arresting them for crimes against nature

Those are some sick, sick cops.  They need help.

/preferably of the federal variety
 
2013-07-28 12:40:42 PM  

gilgigamesh: According to a statement from Casey Rayborn Hicks, a spokeswoman for the Sheriff's Office, the department clearly doesn't understand that the sodomy law is unenforceable

On the contrary, I think they know exactly what they're doing: using police power to effectively rob people engaged in completely lawful activity.

Someone needs to step up and section 1983 their asses, but since these guys are all presumably on the down low it probably not too likely


Really. I mean, say what you want about NOPD, but our cops are just corrupt, not corrupt AND homophobic.
 
2013-07-28 12:41:15 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: So the DA is smart enough to realize that he'd lose any case that went to court, but he allows the Sheriff's Department to essentially keep arresting and harassing these men even though by his own admission there is no crime taking place.


Ok, I should have read TFA more carefully.  In that case, why not sue the Sheriff's Dept. under some state-law cause of action in Louisiana?
 
2013-07-28 12:42:13 PM  

Nabb1: not corrupt AND homophobic.


Kinda has to be that way, given that the Quarter is in their jurisdiction.  Otherwise, places like Good Friends, etc., would get raided all the time.
 
2013-07-28 12:42:52 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:   District Attorney Hillar Moore III said that none of these cases have been prosecuted because no crime occurred, but these men are still being arrested, temporarily jailed, and fined merely for agreeing to private sexual activity.

So the DA is smart enough to realize that he'd lose any case that went to court, but he allows the Sheriff's Department to essentially keep arresting and harassing these men even though by his own admission there is no crime taking place.


Its separate offices. The da has no control over the sheriff.
 
2013-07-28 12:49:28 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: According to a special report from the Baton Rouge Advocate, the Baton Rouge Sheriff's Office is conducting stings to find men willing to have consensual gay sex and arresting them for crimes against nature

Those are some sick, sick cops.  They need help.

/preferably of the federal variety


I wonder how closely this is linked to JEEEEESUUUUSSS.
 
2013-07-28 12:51:47 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: According to a special report from the Baton Rouge Advocate, the Baton Rouge Sheriff's Office is conducting stings to find men willing to have consensual gay sex and arresting them for crimes against nature

Those are some sick, sick cops.  They need help.

/preferably of the federal variety


New Orleans has a different culture. Gays in New Orleans have money and political power.
 
2013-07-28 12:52:03 PM  
Dear Bigots,

HISTORY WILL REMEMBER YOU SIDE-BY-SIDE WITH THESE GUYS:

niketalk.com

/I guess the courts hadn't yet decided if siccing a dog on a protester was illegal.
 
2013-07-28 12:53:03 PM  

gilgigamesh: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:   District Attorney Hillar Moore III said that none of these cases have been prosecuted because no crime occurred, but these men are still being arrested, temporarily jailed, and fined merely for agreeing to private sexual activity.

So the DA is smart enough to realize that he'd lose any case that went to court, but he allows the Sheriff's Department to essentially keep arresting and harassing these men even though by his own admission there is no crime taking place.

Its separate offices. The da has no control over the sheriff.


Yes, but I'm sure the DA could take a stroll on over to the Sheriff's office, or even just ring them up, and remind them that what they are doing is not legal, is not ethical and will most likely result in a lawsuit, which they will lose.
 
2013-07-28 12:53:54 PM  
Oops. Meant to quote ambassador ahab
 
2013-07-28 12:54:39 PM  

manwithplanx: Yes, but I'm sure the DA could take a stroll on over to the Sheriff's office, or even just ring them up, and remind them that what they are doing is not legal, is not ethical and will most likely result in a lawsuit, which they will lose.


I'm willing to bet that the Sheriff knows full well this, and really doesn't care what those "city boys" think he's doing. I'm also willing to bet he's a homophobic religious fundamentalist who justifies wiping his ass with the constitution by using the bible.
 
2013-07-28 12:54:59 PM  

manwithplanx: gilgigamesh: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:   District Attorney Hillar Moore III said that none of these cases have been prosecuted because no crime occurred, but these men are still being arrested, temporarily jailed, and fined merely for agreeing to private sexual activity.

So the DA is smart enough to realize that he'd lose any case that went to court, but he allows the Sheriff's Department to essentially keep arresting and harassing these men even though by his own admission there is no crime taking place.

Its separate offices. The da has no control over the sheriff.

Yes, but I'm sure the DA could take a stroll on over to the Sheriff's office, or even just ring them up, and remind them that what they are doing is not legal, is not ethical and will most likely result in a lawsuit, which they will lose.


In all honesty, this is something that will have to be addressed with a lawsuit.
 
2013-07-28 01:00:15 PM  

hubiestubert: manwithplanx: gilgigamesh: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:   District Attorney Hillar Moore III said that none of these cases have been prosecuted because no crime occurred, but these men are still being arrested, temporarily jailed, and fined merely for agreeing to private sexual activity.

So the DA is smart enough to realize that he'd lose any case that went to court, but he allows the Sheriff's Department to essentially keep arresting and harassing these men even though by his own admission there is no crime taking place.

Its separate offices. The da has no control over the sheriff.

Yes, but I'm sure the DA could take a stroll on over to the Sheriff's office, or even just ring them up, and remind them that what they are doing is not legal, is not ethical and will most likely result in a lawsuit, which they will lose.

In all honesty, this is something that will have to be addressed with a lawsuit.


I'm guessing that the Sheriff's Department is hoping that the men they pick up cruising in the park aren't going to be 'out' and won't be willing to have their names publicly associated with a lawsuit about the legality of cruising for gay sex.

Perhaps some out of the closet gay men should start frequenting the area to see if they can get picked up for this and then take that lawsuit right to the city.
 
2013-07-28 01:00:27 PM  

hubiestubert: manwithplanx: gilgigamesh: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:   District Attorney Hillar Moore III said that none of these cases have been prosecuted because no crime occurred, but these men are still being arrested, temporarily jailed, and fined merely for agreeing to private sexual activity.

So the DA is smart enough to realize that he'd lose any case that went to court, but he allows the Sheriff's Department to essentially keep arresting and harassing these men even though by his own admission there is no crime taking place.

Its separate offices. The da has no control over the sheriff.

Yes, but I'm sure the DA could take a stroll on over to the Sheriff's office, or even just ring them up, and remind them that what they are doing is not legal, is not ethical and will most likely result in a lawsuit, which they will lose.

In all honesty, this is something that will have to be addressed with a lawsuit.


So why hasn't the ACLU picked up on this yet?
 
2013-07-28 01:04:54 PM  
The South hasn't changed.
 
2013-07-28 01:08:15 PM  
So, we got entrapment and false imprisonment on the table. Maybe harassment? Anything else?
 
2013-07-28 01:12:16 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: hubiestubert: manwithplanx: gilgigamesh: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:   District Attorney Hillar Moore III said that none of these cases have been prosecuted because no crime occurred, but these men are still being arrested, temporarily jailed, and fined merely for agreeing to private sexual activity.

So the DA is smart enough to realize that he'd lose any case that went to court, but he allows the Sheriff's Department to essentially keep arresting and harassing these men even though by his own admission there is no crime taking place.

Its separate offices. The da has no control over the sheriff.

Yes, but I'm sure the DA could take a stroll on over to the Sheriff's office, or even just ring them up, and remind them that what they are doing is not legal, is not ethical and will most likely result in a lawsuit, which they will lose.

In all honesty, this is something that will have to be addressed with a lawsuit.

So why hasn't the ACLU picked up on this yet?


From TFA linked in TFA:  The July 18 arrest is among at least a dozen cases since 2011 in which a Sheriff's Office task force used the unenforceable law to ensnare men who merely discussed or agreed to have consensual sex with an undercover agent, an investigation by The Advocate has found... District Attorney Hillar Moore III said his office refused to prosecute each one of the cases because his assistants found no crime had occurred.

All they're doing is publicly outing/humiliating people.

On your tax dollar!

How's that for fiscally responsible conservatism?
 
2013-07-28 01:13:15 PM  
In case it wasn't clear: my point was that if they are not being charged, they don't need the ACLU to defend them.
 
2013-07-28 01:14:33 PM  
With all the ways to get gay sex, why do they need to solicit in a park?
 
2013-07-28 01:15:57 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Dear Bigots,

HISTORY WILL REMEMBER YOU SIDE-BY-SIDE WITH THESE GUYS:

[niketalk.com image 350x229]


This^^ x a quadrillion.
 
2013-07-28 01:16:44 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: In case it wasn't clear: my point was that if they are not being charged, they don't need the ACLU to defend them.


Their civil rights are being violated, though - hasn't the ACLU sued over that before?  Or do they only take defenses and appeals?
 
2013-07-28 01:17:23 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: In case it wasn't clear: my point was that if they are not being charged, they don't need the ACLU to defend them.


Wrongful arrest/imprisonment? You don't think?
 
2013-07-28 01:18:25 PM  

Mrbogey: With all the ways to get gay sex, why do they need to solicit in a park?


Lol. Because we can.
 
2013-07-28 01:33:33 PM  

Mrbogey: With all the ways to get gay sex, why do they need to solicit in a park?


Is there any issue with hetero couples hitting on each other in a park?

Also, I'd expect that false imprisonment could be applied along with federal civil rights charges.
 
2013-07-28 01:34:27 PM  
I assume that they are also having female cops solicit straight guys with the offer of buttsecks and arresting them, too, right?

Right?
 
2013-07-28 01:36:45 PM  

Mrbogey: With all the ways to get gay sex, why do they need to solicit in a park?


Because in communities where the gay population is heavily secret due to social and familial pressures, places people  don't often go, like public parks at night, are popular locations for gay men to find each other. You don't find many park hookups in New York, since we have Chelsea and the West Village.

These are generally men who don't feel free to be publicly gay, but still have the desire.
 
2013-07-28 01:36:47 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: I assume that they are also having female cops solicit straight guys with the offer of buttsecks and arresting them, too, right?

Right?


No, because anal sex between a man and a woman could just be the result of poor aim or abstinence-only education.
 
2013-07-28 01:42:33 PM  

miss diminutive: Lionel Mandrake: I assume that they are also having female cops solicit straight guys with the offer of buttsecks and arresting them, too, right?

Right?

No, because anal sex between a man and a woman could just be the result of poor aim or abstinence-only education.


I believe UDIA is legal grounds for murder in most relationships.
 
2013-07-28 01:42:43 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Lionel Mandrake: In case it wasn't clear: my point was that if they are not being charged, they don't need the ACLU to defend them.

Their civil rights are being violated, though - hasn't the ACLU sued over that before?  Or do they only take defenses and appeals?


I honestly don't know.  If the ACLU has been contacted and refused, I - as a cards-carrying member/libtardo - would be upset.

I can't find anything with a half-assed googling to indicate any involvement with these particular incidents.
 
2013-07-28 01:44:47 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Benevolent Misanthrope: Lionel Mandrake: In case it wasn't clear: my point was that if they are not being charged, they don't need the ACLU to defend them.

Their civil rights are being violated, though - hasn't the ACLU sued over that before?  Or do they only take defenses and appeals?

I honestly don't know.  If the ACLU has been contacted and refused, I - as a cards-carrying member/libtardo - would be upset.

I can't find anything with a half-assed googling to indicate any involvement with these particular incidents.


More than likely, as pointed out earlier in the thread, they're specifically targeting people the way they do so that they'll overwhelmingly find closeted men who have a lot to lose by protesting this.
 
2013-07-28 01:45:09 PM  

Mrbogey: With all the ways to get gay sex, why do they need to solicit in a park?


The important thing is that the government is getting involved in consensual activities between adults.

That was a nice, smelly red herring on your part, though.
 
2013-07-28 01:52:17 PM  

Mrbogey: With all the ways to get gay sex, why do they need to solicit in a park?


Because so many Congressmen have given the men's room a bad name.
 
2013-07-28 01:55:53 PM  

hardinparamedic: miss diminutive: Lionel Mandrake: I assume that they are also having female cops solicit straight guys with the offer of buttsecks and arresting them, too, right?

Right?

No, because anal sex between a man and a woman could just be the result of poor aim or abstinence-only education.

I believe UDIA is legal grounds for murder in most relationships.


Oh yes, but to Uncle Sam it's just a misunderstanding. Not like those awful gheys and their homoness.
 
2013-07-28 01:59:51 PM  

Mrbogey: With all the ways to get gay sex, why do they need to solicit in a park?


I'll take "For the same reason straight men are always soliciting women, no matter where they are?" for $800 please, Alex.
 
2013-07-28 02:04:23 PM  

miss diminutive: Oh yes, but to Uncle Sam it's just a misunderstanding. Not like those awful gheys and their homoness.


Well, if only they would CHOOSE not to be gay, then they wouldn't have a problem right? America was not built around respecting the choices of sinful and mentally ill people.

/sarcasm, but this is actually believed by certain posters on FARK.
 
2013-07-28 02:29:28 PM  

hardinparamedic: Well, if only they would CHOOSE not to be gay


Sounds like being gay is more fun. I mean, you can hit on someone attractive to you in a park, and possibly go home with them instead of getting pepper sprayed!
 
2013-07-28 02:30:19 PM  
The arrest was merely to intimidate. You can't legally run them out on a rail, but you can scare them into leaving. Else they'll 'fall into line'.

I read somewhere that Baton Rouge is split between a black community and a white community. Maybe they need a gay community?
 
2013-07-28 02:31:38 PM  

Boojum2k: hardinparamedic: Well, if only they would CHOOSE not to be gay

Sounds like being gay is more fun. I mean, you can hit on someone attractive to you in a park, and possibly go home with them instead of getting pepper sprayed!


I mean, gays are known for being promiscuous. Isn't that what every male really wants? Basically sex on demand. You aren't getting that in a straight marriage.
 
2013-07-28 03:06:08 PM  

Boojum2k: hardinparamedic: Well, if only they would CHOOSE not to be gay

Sounds like being gay is more fun. I mean, you can hit on someone attractive to you in a park, and possibly go home with them instead of getting pepper sprayed!


♫...and have a gay ol' time!!♫
 
2013-07-28 03:12:55 PM  

Saberus Terras: Really doesn't help that the Sheriff's department spokeswoman has the last name of Hicks


Hudson, Sir.  He's Hicks.
 
2013-07-28 03:17:08 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: In case it wasn't clear: my point was that if they are not being charged, they don't need the ACLU to defend them.


So you feel that it's okay for the police to arrest under a law already deemed unconstitutional and hold people without cause?
 
2013-07-28 03:21:31 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Lionel Mandrake: In case it wasn't clear: my point was that if they are not being charged, they don't need the ACLU to defend them.

So you feel that it's okay for the police to arrest under a law already deemed unconstitutional and hold people without cause?


How the hell did you get that from my comment?
 
2013-07-28 03:26:15 PM  

born_yesterday: Saberus Terras: Really doesn't help that the Sheriff's department spokeswoman has the last name of Hicks

Hudson, Sir.  He's Hicks.


i595.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-28 03:30:08 PM  
Maybe they only offered to perform oral sex because they felt intimidated by the black and muscular police officer.
 
2013-07-28 03:34:22 PM  
I would like to know two things:

1) If the police are soliciting sex, isn't that entrapment?
2) Are the cops asking them men to go home with them, or are they asking to have sex in a public place (like the park)?

If this isn't entrapment (although it sure seems like it to me, but I am not a lawyer), asking a guy to go home with you is not a crime. Having sex in public is a crime whether the people are gay or straight. Regardless, though, purposely targeting gay people is scuzzy.
 
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