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2013-07-28 04:05:21 PM
I'd get the Pro, but it's not in my price range. I'm more interested in a barebones PC for Linux.

If they made more of the RTs, and priced them lower, then people would have bought them.

/we make it up in volume!
 
2013-07-28 04:16:12 PM
acousticmonster.com

/runs
 
2013-07-28 04:23:51 PM

blue_2501: [acousticmonster.com image 400x425]

/runs


What's the real joke is that Android(HTC One) and Apple mobile OS's are now getting that same flat design
 
2013-07-28 04:26:44 PM
Marine1: And they don't understand the concept of 'progress', much less 'development headaches'.

I don't think the problem isn't that they don't understand 'progress' but that they want 'progress' to be a good thing, not just whatever's next. And development ought to benefit the user according to the user's preferences, not merely against their will. Sometimes developers know what's good for the user better than the user does. Often, developers don't. The user interface is the province of the user. It's right in the name.

If Apple had introduced it, people would hail it as a major advancement.

Some people would, sure. That has no bearing on whether or not it was actually an improvement.
 
2013-07-28 04:28:25 PM

sammyk: But I'm still pissed off that I'm forced to have a Web browser on a server OS.


You've had over 10 years to switch to Linux.  It's your fault (or your company's) that you're still using Windows for all of this crap.

Windows Server - Slower because of the GUI, not as effective, less scripting involved to make life easier, Remote Desktop sucks in comparison to SSH, less open-source applications (which force you to pay for everything through the nose), many of the apps (like IIS) are inferior to the OSS versions (like Apache).

Linux Server - Solves all of that.

About the only thing Windows Server really has going for it is Exchange + Sharepoint, and Google is slowly chipping away that advantage away with cloud services.  (Not saying that it's better, but it's slowly getting there.)
 
2013-07-28 04:28:28 PM
drjekel_mrhyde: Metro was tested on the "customer" in 2011 with the Xbox dash board update and it was no big OMG what is that

And my car operates using a steering wheel instead of a keyboard. Neither of these facts has anything to do with a good user interface for a personal computer. Of course, since MS seems to think a desktop computer is the same as a phone, I can imagine them getting an Xbox and a PC confused, too.
 
2013-07-28 04:31:21 PM

Techhell: drjekel_mrhyde: SCUBA_Archer: Has anyone figured a way to keep that annoying side menu on Windows 8 from sliding out randomly? There are days I want to throw my laptop through a wall for doing that. And Start8 doesn't help.

Are you serious ? You might want to save all your shiat and do a factory reset or a clean install.

I've got the exact same problem; often it's my mouse that farks up, but regularly the right-side and bottom menus will pop out randomly. It's so common with my laptop that I've actually stopped noticing it and just move my mouse unconsciously when the menus pop out. It's part of my hatred for those damned pop-out menus.


With Classic Shell you go to Settings, Windows 8 Settings and under Disable Active Corners tick All. Done.
 
2013-07-28 04:32:37 PM

SCUBA_Archer: Has anyone figured a way to keep that annoying side menu on Windows 8 from sliding out randomly? There are days I want to throw my laptop through a wall for doing that. And Start8 doesn't help.


Replied to the wrong person. See reply above with Classic Shell. Which is free BTW.
 
2013-07-28 04:34:24 PM
I think it's so dumb that this won't work using RT.

connect.customer.mcgraw-hill.com
 
2013-07-28 04:37:57 PM

Marine1: RandomAxe: Marine1: Enough whining about an interface change.

You don't really understand the concept of 'the customer', much less the point of 'the user'.

And they don't understand the concept of 'progress', much less 'development headaches'. They're the same people who will ask, 'Why do I need to upgrade my Windows XP laptop? It does everything I need just fine", then come to you whining about how it won't run the latest programs and is full of more security holes than Swiss cheese.

If Apple had introduced it, people would hail it as a major advancement. I've been using it on my desktop since launch day. There's nothing wrong with it. If you can figure out managing a computer from the CLI, you have the mental horsepower to adjust to Windows 8. If you don't, quit your job and start cleaning bathrooms at the local hourly-rate motel. I'm far from the most capable power user I know, and if I can figure it out as an undergrad in an IT program, anyone can.


"Progress" isn't taking 30 years of UI research and throwing it out in favor of one unifying UI across desktop, touch and game systems.

There are some very established and respected experts in the user interface field who will tell you the Metro UI on the desktop is a disaster.

I don't really need that, though, I have fellow developers on my team, and my own personal experience with Windows 8 to know it is far less productive than standard desktop UIs for THAT form of computing.

As I said before, Metro is fine as a mobile platform, but it fails when the primary input device is not touch*. Gestures have no place in non-touch computing. Good user interface design takes into account the primary means of input, and Microsoft violated that in the rush to push an agenda.... As I also stated, I understand their reasons for doing so, but it was a bad gamble that has not paid off. Marine1, you are in the minority of Windows 8 users - there will always be people who will "like" something most people don't - NTTAWWT (Bronies, Furries, fetishists, etc...) - most of us who spend 12~15 hours a day pounding out work on a PC find the Modern/Metro UI makes us less effective and less productive, no matter how long we tried to stick with it. Some of my fellow developers even started out liking the "freshness" of the Metro UI, and now loathe it.

I'm not even delving into the budget needed to train users and support personnel in large enterprise environments for the completely different UI, or all the gotchas associated with administrating Windows 8 and the walled garden (which if done RIGHT, could have been worthwhile)

Desktop UIs should not rely (primarily) on gestures or hidden controls (popouts when 'hovering'). Metro starts out of the gate breaking those two inviolate commandments. Yes, we know there are those funky key commands... but what is the point of a GUI if we are back to keyboard shortcuts for everything? I might as well as fire up DOS and compose documents in WordStar. Maybe dig out a keyboard overlay so I can remember yet more unintuitive nonsense to get my daily work done?

img2u.info

*I'll qualify that to say that touch could include Kinect
 
2013-07-28 04:38:06 PM

SCUBA_Archer: Has anyone figured a way to keep that annoying side menu on Windows 8 from sliding out randomly? There are days I want to throw my laptop through a wall for doing that. And Start8 doesn't help.


Don't mouse into the upper right hand corner?
 
2013-07-28 04:38:35 PM

Kazan: cringing? we were raging.


That actually doesn't surprise me. Nor does the fact that no one really listened.
 
2013-07-28 04:40:15 PM

LesserEvil: Marine1: RandomAxe: Marine1: Enough whining about an interface change.

You don't really understand the concept of 'the customer', much less the point of 'the user'.

And they don't understand the concept of 'progress', much less 'development headaches'. They're the same people who will ask, 'Why do I need to upgrade my Windows XP laptop? It does everything I need just fine", then come to you whining about how it won't run the latest programs and is full of more security holes than Swiss cheese.

If Apple had introduced it, people would hail it as a major advancement. I've been using it on my desktop since launch day. There's nothing wrong with it. If you can figure out managing a computer from the CLI, you have the mental horsepower to adjust to Windows 8. If you don't, quit your job and start cleaning bathrooms at the local hourly-rate motel. I'm far from the most capable power user I know, and if I can figure it out as an undergrad in an IT program, anyone can.

"Progress" isn't taking 30 years of UI research and throwing it out in favor of one unifying UI across desktop, touch and game systems.

There are some very established and respected experts in the user interface field who will tell you the Metro UI on the desktop is a disaster.

I don't really need that, though, I have fellow developers on my team, and my own personal experience with Windows 8 to know it is far less productive than standard desktop UIs for THAT form of computing.

As I said before, Metro is fine as a mobile platform, but it fails when the primary input device is not touch*. Gestures have no place in non-touch computing. Good user interface design takes into account the primary means of input, and Microsoft violated that in the rush to push an agenda.... As I also stated, I understand their reasons for doing so, but it was a bad gamble that has not paid off. Marine1, you are in the minority of Windows 8 users - there will always be people who will "like" something most people don't - NTTA ...




Metro is great for kids.

Netflix is great for kids.

Kids, kids, kids.
 
2013-07-28 04:45:15 PM

Bravo Two: SCUBA_Archer: Has anyone figured a way to keep that annoying side menu on Windows 8 from sliding out randomly? There are days I want to throw my laptop through a wall for doing that. And Start8 doesn't help.

Don't mouse into the upper right hand corner?


Where the close button for an app is.....

Microsoft should have a means of changing this, like the stupid "auto-docking" feature in Windows 7, where you can at least go into the control panel and turn it off (which is the first thing I do when installing Win7).
 
2013-07-28 04:45:20 PM
LesserEvil: Desktop UIs should not rely (primarily) on gestures or hidden controls (popouts when 'hovering').

Yes, exactly. Frankly, the Windows interface's functionality has gone downhill since the disappearance of Program Manager. And keyboard support has gotten worse continually since Win95. Customizability of the UI has gone downhill for several versions now, too. It's flat-out amateurish and embarrassing.

This from the company that used to mock other software companies for non-WYSIWYG interfaces.
 
2013-07-28 04:46:46 PM
I loved my mac, but I hated that apple, once making excellent hardware with fairly cutting edge equipment, was way behind where I could get an equivalent PC at, for much less (yes, I know that Apple has a huge name tax on it).

Right now, Windows neither helps, nor hinders, save for a fairly awkward system for which it switches between the NVidia GPU and the Intel integrated GPU.

If I could get Linux to run as smoothly as Mac OS X, and run all the Apps and Games I have for Windows, I'd be happy.
 
2013-07-28 04:48:14 PM

LesserEvil: Bravo Two: SCUBA_Archer: Has anyone figured a way to keep that annoying side menu on Windows 8 from sliding out randomly? There are days I want to throw my laptop through a wall for doing that. And Start8 doesn't help.

Don't mouse into the upper right hand corner?

Where the close button for an app is.....

Microsoft should have a means of changing this, like the stupid "auto-docking" feature in Windows 7, where you can at least go into the control panel and turn it off (which is the first thing I do when installing Win7).


So, you could just google and turn off the hot corners...

http://www.askvg.com/how-to-disable-hot-corners-charms-bar-start-scr ee n-thumbnail-app-switch-list-in-windows-8/
 
wee [TotalFark]
2013-07-28 04:50:50 PM

sammyk: Tiles are going to make my blood boil


Or you move the mouse to the left and get some bullshiat menu that does nothing.  Or move your mouse too far right and get the exact same bullshiat menu that does nothing.  Or you click Server Manager ALL THE GODDAM TIME. Or a hundred other reasons why the UI sucks giant donkey nuts.

Windows 8/Server 2012 is giant pile of steaming shiat and the high-functioning moron who decided to put that absolutely awful UI on a friggin' server out to be banned from ever holding a job involving computers.

blue_2501: You've had over 10 years to switch to Linux. It's your fault (or your company's) that you're still using Windows for all of this crap.


We develop stats applications for linux and windows.  Some of customers have no clue and decide to use windows as a server OS, so we get the joy of supporting that.  It sucks switching the kvm from Xfce to Server 2012 and seeing that FIsher Price garbage.
 
2013-07-28 04:58:28 PM

Bravo Two: LesserEvil: Bravo Two: SCUBA_Archer: Has anyone figured a way to keep that annoying side menu on Windows 8 from sliding out randomly? There are days I want to throw my laptop through a wall for doing that. And Start8 doesn't help.

Don't mouse into the upper right hand corner?

Where the close button for an app is.....

Microsoft should have a means of changing this, like the stupid "auto-docking" feature in Windows 7, where you can at least go into the control panel and turn it off (which is the first thing I do when installing Win7).

So, you could just google and turn off the hot corners...

http://www.askvg.com/how-to-disable-hot-corners-charms-bar-start-scr ee n-thumbnail-app-switch-list-in-windows-8/


I could. Heh.

One more setting the default needs to be changed on to make the OS functional. I also activate the "QuickLaunch" toolbar when I do a new install. Who needs a Start Screen? I have 64 pixels along the bottom of my desktop that gives me access to 40+ of my most used apps, and pins on my task bar for the 10 or 15 top apps.

Much like VisualStudio 2012, with their dumbass "ALL CAPS MENUS" screaming at me, which demands a registry edit to fix, and the missing Macro Explorer (I haven't the foggiest idea why MS removed that, but our group had to create our own macro processor to get it "back")... oh, and let's not forget monochrome toolbar icons, because we Windows users really HATE beautiful colored icons that we have grown used to over last decade. I just love it when you can't tell if an icon is disabled or just "bleh" and I prefer not having additional visual clues to let me locate the icon quickly.
 
2013-07-28 05:10:21 PM
Ultimately, technology companies don't grow by pissing off their core geek audiences.
 
2013-07-28 05:11:31 PM

RandomAxe: drjekel_mrhyde: Metro was tested on the "customer" in 2011 with the Xbox dash board update and it was no big OMG what is that

And my car operates using a steering wheel instead of a keyboard. Neither of these facts has anything to do with a good user interface for a personal computer. Of course, since MS seems to think a desktop computer is the same as a phone, I can imagine them getting an Xbox and a PC confused, too.


Xbox and PS3 are pretty much PCs
They next gen of both are in fact PC's so I can't wait for "OMG this  puter" from the slow folks
/For shiats and giggles Microsoft should throw a Office app on the Xbox One
 
2013-07-28 05:22:12 PM

WhyteRaven74: Kazan: cringing? we were raging.

That actually doesn't surprise me. Nor does the fact that no one really listened.


its what happens when execs hold on to an idea like a dog with a bone
 
2013-07-28 05:43:56 PM
There is more than one answer to Windows 8. All of them superior.

1. Windows 7
2. OS X
3. Android
4. Windows XP
 
2013-07-28 05:45:48 PM
Everyone biatches about getting to the desktop being too difficult.  Is Windows-M too hard for everyone to do?
 
2013-07-28 06:11:38 PM

mjbok: Everyone biatches about getting to the desktop being too difficult.  Is Windows-M too hard for everyone to do?


Nobody says "too difficult to do" and I already addressed the stupid keyboard shortcut thing.

People that hate Windows 8 base that on the fact that it is LESS PRODUCTIVE. Part of that it the counter-intuitive UI cues that, while needed on a small mobile screen and somewhat useful on a touch input device, make no sense whatsoever on a desktop PC.

Mobile devices are not desktop PCs. This is a very simple concept, and I'm amazed at the apologists that come out of the woodwork to defend Microsoft (and not surprised at all that Microsoft's own developers were not happy with Metro on the desktop). Maybe Microsoft does have some fanatics.... mjbok, you don't happen to have a Zune tattoo, do you?
 
2013-07-28 06:12:08 PM
this is my start screen

i.imgur.com

this is my desktop

i.imgur.com

This is the worst shiat I have ever seen. It's so hard to use. It sucks so farking bad that I am going to go sit in the corner and slit my kneecaps.

I can't take it anymore.
 
2013-07-28 06:14:21 PM

Techhell: I hate Windows 8. I hate having to install "apps"... blah blah blah



You might have a better argument going for you if you could do me a small favor and explain to me why I have never had ANY of the farking problems that you are having with Windows 8.
 
2013-07-28 06:33:18 PM

RandomAxe: Look, a huge part of the problem is that a vast section of the market regards MS as wildly incompetent -- because they've never turned out a really good version of Windows. With every new version, they change things that weren't broken, fail to fix things that were broken, and add a ton of chrome and glass that no one particularly wanted.


This. It's as if they never bother to ask users "What would you like to see in the next version?" and follow through on the items that most users seem to want. They also haven't figured out that Apple is a hardware company (albeit with proprietary software) and MS is a hardware company. Copying Apple is not the way to go.


/I did find you a copy of Windows highly-interactive "Really Good Edition" edition, though.
 
2013-07-28 06:54:51 PM

SCUBA_Archer: Has anyone figured a way to keep that annoying side menu on Windows 8 from sliding out randomly? There are days I want to throw my laptop through a wall for doing that. And Start8 doesn't help.


You may have an issue with your trackpad drivers.  The ones for Windows 8 suck on my Lenovo--I had the exact same problem you did and it drove me farking nuts.  Once I reverted to the Windows 7 version of the drivers every one of my problems went away and Start8 works exactly like it should.  I haven't seen that stupid charms menu for months.
 
2013-07-28 07:01:42 PM

styckx: The most hilarious part is their announcement of bringing back the start menu but it just opens the Metro screen instead and not the classic start menu.. Maximum Trolling


I've heard this complaint a lot, but I don't really understand it.  The start menu is AWFUL.  Digging through that monstrosity to find what you want? Ugh.  Using the start search is so much better.

I was reminded of this when fixing a friend's computer recently.  Like I do on both Win7 and Win8, I pressed start and started typing to search (which is by far faster, and the search on 8 is even faster than on 7), and was reminded that automatic search wasn't in XP.  It took so much longer to find the programs I wanted it's unreal.

Anyway, your solution to both start screen (and menu) woes is just start typing and save yourself the time.  Works on 7.  Works even better on 8.
 
2013-07-28 07:06:11 PM

fisker: Techhell: I hate Windows 8. I hate having to install "apps"... blah blah blah


You might have a better argument going for you if you could do me a small favor and explain to me why I have never had ANY of the farking problems that you are having with Windows 8.


He can't. What you fail to understand is that the adaptive personality and the reactionary personality don't speak the same perceptive "language" - they don't observe the world in the same terms.
Like you, I fail to see what the fuss is with Win8 - but then, I have gone through this with every change in technology that has gone down in my lifetime, and I know other people who uniformly hate every change.
Adaptive personalities don't perceive technology as "territory". We don't feel "invaded" when the way we do something gets arbitrarily changed - we just do it the new way without really reacting on it.
The reactionary personality feels violated when some gadget he uses suddenly works differently - it's perception and perspective, and you can't argue with it because it ISN'T WRONG.
That is all.
 
2013-07-28 07:25:32 PM

jso2897: it ISN'T WRONG.


I stand corrected... or something.
 
2013-07-28 07:29:15 PM
Microsoft is on her way out the Window.

Open Source Software is the Future.  the only place Open Source isn't kicking everyone's ass is the PC Desktop.  and that is because Billy Gates has OEM balls in his tight grasp.

even the Military is switching to Linux/Open Source.

Google and Learn.
 
2013-07-28 07:30:38 PM

jso2897: fisker: Techhell: I hate Windows 8. I hate having to install "apps"... blah blah blah


You might have a better argument going for you if you could do me a small favor and explain to me why I have never had ANY of the farking problems that you are having with Windows 8.

He can't. What you fail to understand is that the adaptive personality and the reactionary personality don't speak the same perceptive "language" - they don't observe the world in the same terms.
Like you, I fail to see what the fuss is with Win8 - but then, I have gone through this with every change in technology that has gone down in my lifetime, and I know other people who uniformly hate every change.
Adaptive personalities don't perceive technology as "territory". We don't feel "invaded" when the way we do something gets arbitrarily changed - we just do it the new way without really reacting on it.
The reactionary personality feels violated when some gadget he uses suddenly works differently - it's perception and perspective, and you can't argue with it because it ISN'T WRONG.
That is all.


You're both morons.

I can't answer <b>fisker</b>'s question because it's a stupid question. "I'm not having trouble with this therefore you're a moron." is essentially what his question is saying.

<b>jso2897</b> is saying essentially the same thing, "Oh, he doesn't like change ergo he's just dumb. Oh, sorry, he's a "reactionary personality". Which I can diagnose because he doesn't like this one change in technology that I happen to have no problems with, ergo he's got a "reactive" personality and feels like Win8 is violating his sense of territory."

I'm sorry, gentlemen - I'm not buying Windows so I can "adapt" to new technology and new software. If I want to adapt to new software, I'll buy a farking Mac or farking Linux. I have expectations of Windows OS's, and they aren't being met by Win8. I don't have a choice in buying Win8 for my farking computers because you can't farking buy Windows 7 preinstalled on a PC anymore. Places like Best Buy don't knock off any money to uninstall Win8 - it would actually make the computer cost more because I'd have to pay them to uninstall it. Even though I don't farking want it.

This isn't a situation where there's a reasonable choice in the matter - I can't walk into Best Buy or Futuershop and say "I'd like a PC with Windows 7" because they don't do it. If I want to get away from Win8, I have to find one of the remaining small computer stores that will build a PC for me without Win8 being preloaded, have them put the PC together for me and then install an OS that I buy. And contrary to Moron2897's assertions, if I'm going to have to go to that length to get away from Win8 then I'm going to farking get an entirely new OS that I have to radically adapt to, like Linux. Because if I'm going to have to unlearn what I've spent 15+ years learning how to do before I'm going to need to learn how it's being done now, then I'm just going to go for something completely new, and not something sort of new but sort of looks like it used to be, and sometimes works the way it used to but sometimes doesn't.

Fark that with a porcupine.

/UPIA, Microsoft.
 
2013-07-28 07:34:17 PM

Bravo Two: Linux



Linux runs better than the Apple.   alot less 'walled garden' to deal with.
 
2013-07-28 07:36:29 PM

wee: sammyk: Tiles are going to make my blood boil

Or you move the mouse to the left and get some bullshiat menu that does nothing.  Or move your mouse too far right and get the exact same bullshiat menu that does nothing.  Or you click Server Manager ALL THE GODDAM TIME. Or a hundred other reasons why the UI sucks giant donkey nuts.

Windows 8/Server 2012 is giant pile of steaming shiat and the high-functioning moron who decided to put that absolutely awful UI on a friggin' server out to be banned from ever holding a job involving computers.

blue_2501: You've had over 10 years to switch to Linux. It's your fault (or your company's) that you're still using Windows for all of this crap.

We develop stats applications for linux and windows.  Some of customers have no clue and decide to use windows as a server OS, so we get the joy of supporting that.  It sucks switching the kvm from Xfce to Server 2012 and seeing that FIsher Price garbage.



Linux has a way of opening eyes and turning on the lights.  i can't really use Windows anymore.  Linux has spoiled me with speed and reliability and not trying to run my life.
 
2013-07-28 07:37:20 PM

Techhell: jso2897: fisker: Techhell: I hate Windows 8. I hate having to install "apps"... blah blah blah


You might have a better argument going for you if you could do me a small favor and explain to me why I have never had ANY of the farking problems that you are having with Windows 8.

He can't. What you fail to understand is that the adaptive personality and the reactionary personality don't speak the same perceptive "language" - they don't observe the world in the same terms.
Like you, I fail to see what the fuss is with Win8 - but then, I have gone through this with every change in technology that has gone down in my lifetime, and I know other people who uniformly hate every change.
Adaptive personalities don't perceive technology as "territory". We don't feel "invaded" when the way we do something gets arbitrarily changed - we just do it the new way without really reacting on it.
The reactionary personality feels violated when some gadget he uses suddenly works differently - it's perception and perspective, and you can't argue with it because it ISN'T WRONG.
That is all.

You're both morons.

I can't answer <b>fisker</b>'s question because it's a stupid question. "I'm not having trouble with this therefore you're a moron." is essentially what his question is saying.

<b>jso2897</b> is saying essentially the same thing, "Oh, he doesn't like change ergo he's just dumb. Oh, sorry, he's a "reactionary personality". Which I can diagnose because he doesn't like this one change in technology that I happen to have no problems with, ergo he's got a "reactive" personality and feels like Win8 is violating his sense of territory."

I'm sorry, gentlemen - I'm not buying Windows so I can "adapt" to new technology and new software. If I want to adapt to new software, I'll buy a farking Mac or farking Linux. I have expectations of Windows OS's, and they aren't being met by Win8. I don't have a choice in buying Win8 for my farking computers because you can't fa ...


You're the guy with the problem, pal - not me. So, really - who's the "moron"?
 
2013-07-28 07:43:27 PM

Techhell: jso2897: fisker: Techhell: I hate Windows 8. I hate having to install "apps"... blah blah blah


You might have a better argument going for you if you could do me a small favor and explain to me why I have never had ANY of the farking problems that you are having with Windows 8.

He can't. What you fail to understand is that the adaptive personality and the reactionary personality don't speak the same perceptive "language" - they don't observe the world in the same terms.
Like you, I fail to see what the fuss is with Win8 - but then, I have gone through this with every change in technology that has gone down in my lifetime, and I know other people who uniformly hate every change.
Adaptive personalities don't perceive technology as "territory". We don't feel "invaded" when the way we do something gets arbitrarily changed - we just do it the new way without really reacting on it.
The reactionary personality feels violated when some gadget he uses suddenly works differently - it's perception and perspective, and you can't argue with it because it ISN'T WRONG.
That is all.

You're both morons.

I can't answer <b>fisker</b>'s question because it's a stupid question. "I'm not having trouble with this therefore you're a moron." is essentially what his question is saying.

<b>jso2897</b> is saying essentially the same thing, "Oh, he doesn't like change ergo he's just dumb. Oh, sorry, he's a "reactionary personality". Which I can diagnose because he doesn't like this one change in technology that I happen to have no problems with, ergo he's got a "reactive" personality and feels like Win8 is violating his sense of territory."

I'm sorry, gentlemen - I'm not buying Windows so I can "adapt" to new technology and new software. If I want to adapt to new software, I'll buy a farking Mac or farking Linux. I have expectations of Windows OS's, and they aren't being met by Win8. I don't have a choice in buying Win8 for my farking computers because you can't fa ...


Do you have a Skype account?

Give it to me.

My totalfark email is in my profile.

I will do a 'screen share' with you right now and run circles on you're farking ass on why and how Windows 8 is a better OS than any other that has ever been made.

I'm tired of dropping screen shots of what I am using and expecting you guys to actually be capable of understanding the differences and why you suck at computers in the first place.

This is a PC. A desktop. It is not a tablet or a phone. I have 7 farking computers running multiple operating systems and this computer is the best and it is a running the evaluation copy of Windows 8.1.

It is flawless. They have scrubbed out so much shiat making it incredibly fast and very powerful.
 
2013-07-28 07:45:22 PM

fisker: this is my start screen

[i.imgur.com image 850x478]

this is my desktop

[i.imgur.com image 850x479]

This is the worst shiat I have ever seen. It's so hard to use. It sucks so farking bad that I am going to go sit in the corner and slit my kneecaps.

I can't take it anymore.



and this is your solution.  i use the MATE desktop but cinnamon is also great.

http://www.linuxmint.com/screenshots.php
 
2013-07-28 07:48:18 PM

Kazan: Shadowknight: I think their problem is multifold:

1) Ballmer wanted to become a "tablet and application" company.  In other words, he wanted to be Apple, which is a mistake I think.  I mean, if you want an Apple, you can already buy that, and they kind of have the market on that.  He wanted to get away from just being an operating system company, which I get, but unifying your device operation across platforms just made everyone angry on your established base.  Windows 8, for all the good it has, pisses off a lot of people with the lack of familiar desktop start menu in order to try to homogenize the experience with your portable devices.  You didn't really increase your mobile usage at the expense of irritating your traditional base.

2) While the Surface Pro is by all accounts an awesome system that everyone I know that has one absolutely loves (see also:   Mike Krahulik of Penny Arcade's self review of the thing).  If I hadn't JUST bought a new ultrabook for editing my photos right before it was announced, I would have held out for that.  Everything I read says that while it's storage is limited (nothing that can't be fixed with a portable hard drive full of DNGs), it's more than powerful enough and has all the features of a Waccom visual tablet. for editing.

That said, the fact that they released an identical looking but intensely inferior Surface RT really confused the market.  The Pro runs a full version of Windows 8, whose "Metro" menu is infinitely less frustrating on a touch screen/tablet like device, and capable of running anything a normal laptop can run.  The RT, however, is like Microsoft's answer to the iPad, and can only run what you'd find on any mobile platform equivalent.  I think it confused the market, and people that would have heard about how awesome the Surface Pro is instead heard from a friend or a news site how stupid the RT was, and couldn't really tell the difference between the two.  And I can't really blame the average, non-techy pers ...


I think you both hit the nail on the head.

Microsoft needs to,stop trying to be Apple 2.0, The Surface Pro is fantastic, it is a tablet that can do anything a laptop can, that has fully functional Windows 8, USB ports etc. It is a professional tablet that outstrips the iPad in every way for professional application.

Microsoft needs to stop trying to be hip and market to serious people, brand the iPad as a toy for kids and the Surface as a tool for adults.
 
2013-07-28 07:49:43 PM

fisker: Do you have a Skype account?

Give it to me.

My totalfark email is in my profile.

I will do a 'screen share' with you right now and run circles on you're farking ass on why and how Windows 8 is a better OS than any other that has ever been made.

I'm tired of dropping screen shots of what I am using and expecting you guys to actually be capable of understanding the differences and why you suck at computers in the first place.

This is a PC. A desktop. It is not a tablet or a phone. I have 7 farking computers running multiple operating systems and this computer is the best and it is a running the evaluation copy of Windows 8.1.

It is flawless. They have scrubbed out so much shiat making it incredibly fast and very powerful.


I do believe we have found the techno-geek equivalent of "I'll come to your house and kick your ass."
 
2013-07-28 07:50:58 PM

Linux_Yes: fisker: this is my start screen

[i.imgur.com image 850x478]

this is my desktop

[i.imgur.com image 850x479]

This is the worst shiat I have ever seen. It's so hard to use. It sucks so farking bad that I am going to go sit in the corner and slit my kneecaps.

I can't take it anymore.


and this is your solution.  i use the MATE desktop but cinnamon is also great.

http://www.linuxmint.com/screenshots.php


That looks cool.
 
2013-07-28 07:51:29 PM
If Microsoft hadn't locked down RT, companies could have ported their software directly to RT without too much trouble.  I've ported stuff to jailbroken RT - it's pretty straightforward.

Microsoft wants a walled garden like Apple's, and doesn't want programs that aren't optimized for Touch flooding the platform.  They don't get it - they're too late.  Their advantage is having Windows applications, and without that, they're just releasing another tablet that'll fail like HP did.

That Surface Pro is doing so much better shows that people love the tablet concept that can also be used like a PC when needed.  Microsoft could have done the same with RT.

So withy the bad sales of RT, you'd think that they'd improve things with Windows 8.1, right?  Well, the opposite is true - they spent a significant engineering effort to lock down RT against the jailbreaks that were used on 8.0.  Their kernel team could have spent that time doing something more useful, but nope.  I'm in the RT jailbreak project, so I can give you details if you want, but they're quite technical.
 
2013-07-28 08:04:32 PM

MightyPez: I do believe we have found the techno-geek equivalent of "I'll come to your house and kick your ass."


Do you think I am scared?

Windows 8.1 is Windows 7 without the performance and tools indicator and everything else that never made any sense in the first place.

Who gives a fark about windows or programs fading in or out in some fancy bullshiat way? OPEN THE FARKING PROGRAM.

That and MANY other things this OS has taken care of. I don't give a fark about my performance score or aero bullshiat.
 
2013-07-28 08:20:20 PM
All the people complaining about W8 are forgetting the cardinal rule of Microsoft OS: Don't adopt (at least not on your primary machine) until the first major update/service pack (8.1 in this case) is released.
 
2013-07-28 08:42:04 PM

fisker: MightyPez: I do believe we have found the techno-geek equivalent of "I'll come to your house and kick your ass."

Do you think I am scared?

Windows 8.1 is Windows 7 without the performance and tools indicator and everything else that never made any sense in the first place.

Who gives a fark about windows or programs fading in or out in some fancy bullshiat way? OPEN THE FARKING PROGRAM.

That and MANY other things this OS has taken care of. I don't give a fark about my performance score or aero bullshiat.


Huh? Scared of what? I run Windows 8, and none of what you are blathering about changes my premise that you're pulling a childish ITG over a piece of software.
 
2013-07-28 08:42:23 PM

Linux_Yes: Bravo Two: Linux


Linux runs better than the Apple.   alot less 'walled garden' to deal with.


I never really cared about the walled garden. In fact, I kind of liked it for most things. And, in my experience, Linux on a PC ran as well as Mac on a Mac, though it was far less integrated and put together given the fragmentation of people building software and GUI elements and not following any kind of uniform standard of where to put what and how it all works together.

But. Here I am arguing with a known troll. Silly me.
 
2013-07-28 08:45:22 PM

MightyPez: I run Windows 8


I'm running Windows 8.1.

Try again.
 
2013-07-28 08:47:03 PM

fisker: MightyPez: I run Windows 8

I'm running Windows 8.1.

Try again.


Bully for you, what does that have to do with what I was saying? I'm running 8.1 in a VM for testing. Do I get accolades now too?
 
2013-07-28 08:49:12 PM

MightyPez: fisker: MightyPez: I run Windows 8

I'm running Windows 8.1.

Try again.

Bully for you, what does that have to do with what I was saying? I'm running 8.1 in a VM for testing. Do I get accolades now too?


This is better.

What are you having problems with?
 
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