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(The Verge)   Video game developer ragequits on Twitter after being called an emo hipster. Well he certainly showed everyone he isn't an emo hipster   (theverge.com ) divider line
    More: Amusing, Phil Fish, Twitter, Fez, Fez II, Joystiq  
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2013-07-28 05:19:15 PM  
Mixed emotions on this one.
The guy made a fun game and he's got a talent for design, but he is also his own worst enemy and has one of the worst personalities in the history of software development.  He has a habit for burning bridges and is easily spun up into these kinds of suicide watch frenzies. I've got no clue what he's doing on twitter, much less dealing with the press.

He needs a handler and rule one should be to keep him away from other human beings.
He'd probably be happier that way.
 
2013-07-28 05:20:32 PM  
I get the impression Phil Fish just doesn't think before he speaks sometimes, and people troll him until he snaps because they want to get a reaction.I don't think he deserves all the hate he gets.
 
2013-07-28 05:22:11 PM  
Damnit, these are huge. Why doesn't imgur resize for me?
 
2013-07-28 05:27:10 PM  

PanicMan: You know, the dude gets constant shiat from complete strangers 24 hours a day. I'd be a dick too. Fez was fun, he just needs to figure out the business side of gaming and he'll be fine.


The reason he gets constant shiat from strangers is because he was a dick to begin with. Other non-dick developers don't get constant shiat, because they're not dicks. This guy doesn't understand that you get back what you put out there.
 
2013-07-28 05:32:50 PM  

Cpl.D: "Those big things would never fly!"

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/Kerbal Space Program rules


Jesus H christ, certainly makes my 24 Orange can lifter look kind of pathetic :P
 
2013-07-28 05:33:17 PM  
I've been wanting Kerbal. Just concerned that it will become a huge time sink.

Is there any pick up and play here, or will I be hopelessly looking to remove sleep from my schedule?
 
2013-07-28 05:36:11 PM  

peteloaf: Dude made a broken product (Fez), releases a broken patch, and refuses to cover the cost of fixing the broken product he is selling. The industry is much better off without a developer like that. In any other industry selling a product you know is broken and refusing to fix it is pretty much unacceptable, I don't know why he thinks it's ok for him (and I don't know why the industry never really took him to task for it). He may have a very corrosive and awful public personality, but it's his blatant abuse of the consumer that makes me say "Good Riddance."


So I take it that you don't play any EA games, either?
 
2013-07-28 05:38:50 PM  
Have been considering Kerbal, but not sure if my laptop could handle it or not.

2.6 dual-core, 2gb graphics card...radeon something something M., 8gb ram
 
2013-07-28 05:49:46 PM  

Cpl.D: [i.imgur.com image 850x478]

/my biggest evar space station


Curious have you solved the lack of being able to double-connect things without just resorting to strut-hell?  That's been my biggest hang-up thus far.

Testiclaw: Have been considering Kerbal, but not sure if my laptop could handle it or not.

2.6 dual-core, 2gb graphics card...radeon something something M., 8gb ram


You can tailor the graphics to meet whatever radeon it is, the ram is good, the 2.6Ghz dualcore (hopefully Intel) can stand up to likely a 300ish part ship before you'd have to mess with the delayed time to let the physics do its thing.  (the physics engine is single-threaded so faster core speed = more it can handle).  The reason I mention the physics engine is because as you add more parts it takes more effort to do its thing and the game has an unfortunate way of dealing with low frames per second with physics and that's to drop some of the calculations which in turn means some parts stop adding to your ship's ability to stick together, namely the structs.  As I mentioned though you can tweak it to let the launch actually happen slower then real time and give the physics engine more time to do its thing properly.  For *really* big ships this is pretty much mandatory, that's all.
 
2013-07-28 05:50:58 PM  

Cpl.D: Mentalpatient87: Damnit, these are huge. Why doesn't imgur resize for me?

If the file is ROKIT.JPG, add in an S, M, or L to resize like so:  ROKITs.JPG


Whoa, that's something useful that I never knew..

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My first interplanetary mission to Laythe, parked in LKO.

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And a better side shot of the engines.

That mission made it to Laythe, dropped the colony pod (not shown) into the surface, and stayed in orbit. Great success, lot of work, lot of fun.

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And THIS bastard is the Minimus base I built in .19 (before learning how to turn off the UI or get rid of junk) It's 12 different flights all sent up, landed, and properly smooshed together by hand.

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Another interplanetary flight. This one I tried Scott Manley's methods of gravity slingshots and got this space station in a VERY low polar orbit around Moho via a quick bank off of Eve. I don't think I'm building these things practically. That's 5 double stacks of the big ass fuel tanks with a 3 cluster of atomic engines on each. It got there, but I feel like I'm working too hard.
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Eve sunrise and a short aerobrake.

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Slowing down at Moho.

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And the finished product, shrouded in the darkness of it's new home body.

Aaand my screenshots are spent. I need to take more pictures.
 
2013-07-28 05:51:57 PM  

Cpl.D: Thread still needs more Kerbal.

[i.imgur.com image 850x478]


LOL, you really like that 8-way symmetry setting, huh?

But, at least it gives you entertaining pix to share. My designs are all minimalist and boring, alas.
 
2013-07-28 05:55:32 PM  
Cpl.D:

Depends on your temperament.  Get the demo, it's free, and you can go to the Mun.  It's a good test.

Dip your toe into the black not-waters.



Here we go. DL'ing now...
 
2013-07-28 05:56:42 PM  

Cpl.D: The single biggest bottleneck on Kerbal is the proc speed per core. It only uses one core because the bloody UNITY engine it's built on. They can't fix that, the unity folks have to.


I'd also settle if they'd rejig things for the Nvidia Physx support to come into play if available, I've got three big beautiful GTX580 3GB editions and since I only play KSP on single screen I'd love to devote one of them to the task instead of one of my 4.8Ghz i2600K's cores.
 
2013-07-28 05:57:21 PM  
 
2013-07-28 05:58:08 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Virtual Pariah: Here we go. DL'ing now...

You're gonna need this guy and his accent.


Yup, that dude is both entertaining and informative for sure.
 
2013-07-28 06:01:11 PM  
Kerbal is a waste of time.  Please keep this thread to discussion of Phil Fish.
 
2013-07-28 06:01:56 PM  

aevorea: peteloaf: Dude made a broken product (Fez), releases a broken patch, and refuses to cover the cost of fixing the broken product he is selling. The industry is much better off without a developer like that. In any other industry selling a product you know is broken and refusing to fix it is pretty much unacceptable, I don't know why he thinks it's ok for him (and I don't know why the industry never really took him to task for it). He may have a very corrosive and awful public personality, but it's his blatant abuse of the consumer that makes me say "Good Riddance."

So I take it that you don't play any EA games, either?


Nope, haven't bought an EA product since they bought Virgin games and cancelled Thrill Kill despite it being finished, screwing the developers.
 
2013-07-28 06:03:46 PM  

WizardofToast: Lego_Addict: Derek Smart, Derek Smart, DEREK SMART!

Phil, just look at what you've become.

Who's Derek Smart? My friends keep mentioning him and I dunno who he is. Apparently he made a WoW clone or something? Fill me in!


Have a look at  http://www.capsu.org/bc3k/2.html for a pretty good summary of the mess centered around Mr. (or is it Dr.? I keep forgetting) Smart.  Some of the actual flame war could probably still be dug up if you did enough searching through Google Groups, but lots of it existed on BBS, CompuServe, and AOL forums that have since been lost to antiquity.

Basically the game was being hyped for almost a decade prior to release, was unplayable (and I don't mean that hyperbolically) when it came out, and took something like two or three more years to get patched and corrected.  By the early 2000s when the original was available for free and the sequels were starting to dribble out, the games were playable, but were WAY too "sandbox" and didn't have much of a campaign.  Who cares if you can go anywhere and do anything if there are no actual goals?
 
2013-07-28 06:04:51 PM  
I wish I had video of this weird crash I had. Everything blew up except for this one little bit of structural wing. And it kept flying. And flying. AND FLYING. Eventually it made it all the way past that island with the other airfield on it, reaching about 430 meters in height and a speed of about 60m/s. Just a wing.

Lift seems to be a very buggy thing in this game. Check out some of the "flapping powered" infini-gliders.
 
2013-07-28 06:06:18 PM  
I knew exactly who this would be about when I read the headline, the guy is an insufferable douche.

Fez is pretty neat, though.
 
2013-07-28 06:10:49 PM  
One of the worst things I saw at GDC this year were people asking to take pictures with Phil Fish.  One of the best things I saw was someone photobombing one of those photos and yelling things at him like "asshole."  I would feel bad for the guy if it weren't for the fact that he is an asshole.

It's sad because I really wanted to play Fez, but his personality deters me from giving him money.  Also I know that it's broken and he refuses to fix it.

I think he thinks he's Jonathan Blow and he's really not.
 
2013-07-28 06:14:19 PM  
The casual racism on this thread is frankly disgusting. The commentors responsible have been reported to the moderators (you know who you are). Bannination will ensue.
 
2013-07-28 06:16:03 PM  

js34603: This will just give him more time to troll the Politics and Sports tabs.


... I lolled
 
2013-07-28 06:18:01 PM  

kingoomieiii: Mad_Radhu: kingoomieiii: Tommy Moo: I have never played Fez and I don't care how many people say that it's good; this guy is an arrogant dick and I will boycott him for life. He sounds like one of those guys who talks just so much because he's never been made to swallow his teeth.

At GDC, when asked earnestly by a Japanese gamer what the panel thought about modern Japanese games, Phil Fish stated, looking into the man's eyes, "They suck. You guys need to get with the times."

The rest of the answer is actually bearable, but Phil Fish is an arrogant asshole.

He may be an asswipe, but he's not wrong. Even on the PS3, you don't see games like Uncharted, The Last of Us, or Heavy Rain coming out of Japan. In the PS1 era almost all the great games were coming out of Japan, but I can't remember the last time I even played a game from a Japanese studio, and my primary console is a PS3.

All three series named are cinematic non-games that do exactly the kind of hand-holding they complain about.


The Last of Us is not a cinematic non-game.  It is a cinematic game-game.
 
2013-07-28 06:54:45 PM  
The emo hipster is in good company.

filmhash.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-28 06:59:32 PM  

WizardofToast: Lego_Addict: Derek Smart, Derek Smart, DEREK SMART!

Phil, just look at what you've become.

Who's Derek Smart? My friends keep mentioning him and I dunno who he is. Apparently he made a WoW clone or something? Fill me in!


Like others have mentioned, he's a game developer who would have big flame wars on message boards and chat rooms with anyone who didn't like his games. He claimed to have a PHD and he would send fake (I think) court papers claiming he was suing you. It's been a long time, so I may have that wrong. You can probably find some stuff on Something Awful. I think it was them who created the trailer for his best game, Desktop Commander, look it up on YouTube.
 
2013-07-28 07:27:58 PM  

DoomPaul: Cpl.D: [i.imgur.com image 850x478] Forget that asshole.  This is now a Kerbal thread.

How is it? It's still in alpha or beta and not officially finished, right?


It's pretty fun.  Most of the game is in building rockets, going somewhere with it, and then getting back home again (or not).  And building bigger things by docking smaller craft together.  There's not much to do or see on any of the planets, except for planting a flag and a few exceptions/easter eggs/interesting geological features.

It's also quite moddable, with lots available.  People can make dlls to plug in to it and such.  Like the Kethane mod that adds a scanner and mining tools and such to mine this methane-esque stuff to convert into various types of fuel, so you can do stuff like set up orbital refuelling stations with dockable/detachable mining craft that you can pilot down, deploy your drills, fill em with a full load of kethane/convert til your fuel is full, and then back up to the station/mining barge to transfer your haul over to refuel bigger spacecraft that need to go farther out.
 
2013-07-28 07:32:19 PM  

Mad_Radhu: kingoomieiii: Tommy Moo: I have never played Fez and I don't care how many people say that it's good; this guy is an arrogant dick and I will boycott him for life. He sounds like one of those guys who talks just so much because he's never been made to swallow his teeth.

At GDC, when asked earnestly by a Japanese gamer what the panel thought about modern Japanese games, Phil Fish stated, looking into the man's eyes, "They suck. You guys need to get with the times."

The rest of the answer is actually bearable, but Phil Fish is an arrogant asshole.

He may be an asswipe, but he's not wrong. Even on the PS3, you don't see games like Uncharted, The Last of Us, or Heavy Rain coming out of Japan. In the PS1 era almost all the great games were coming out of Japan, but I can't remember the last time I even played a game from a Japanese studio, and my primary console is a PS3.


Wasn't Ni No Kuni for the PS3?
 
2013-07-28 07:41:19 PM  

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"Well... bye."

 
2013-07-28 07:51:22 PM  

Cpl.D: I've heard of Kethane.  Frankly, I've avoided it, but I could definitely use a new challenge.

And I'm a sucker for fuel depots.


There are also mods that require the Kethane mod, like one that adds some metal ore in the same sort of way kethane is and lets you set up your own launch platforms on other planets (or just in another location on Kerbin) and such that you can load ships from (by clicking on it of course) that require a certain amount of materials and such to build them (or not, I think it defaults to off on requiring electricity, fuel, and metal to build a ship).  So your Minmus base could have a launch platform that you could load one of those huge ships on and take off from there for a fraction of the fuel cost.
 
2013-07-28 07:51:36 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

The Yak laughs at his genius.
 
2013-07-28 07:53:01 PM  

jayhawk88: This absolutely has everything to do with a Twitter fight, and nothing to do with the fact that the dev probably had been staring blankly at a Visual Studio.NET New Project screen for the past 6 months.


How the fark do you know so much about my life?
 
2013-07-28 08:06:07 PM  
well, that space game looks pretty cool, so i downloaded the demo.  here i am, at the launchpad, 3rd rocket, HOW DO I LAUNCH IT?
i realize i may be quite dumb.
 
2013-07-28 08:14:54 PM  

Lurk sober post drunk: well, that space game looks pretty cool, so i downloaded the demo.  here i am, at the launchpad, 3rd rocket, HOW DO I LAUNCH IT?
i realize i may be quite dumb.


Nah.

I haven't figured that out either.
 
2013-07-28 08:20:17 PM  

Lurk sober post drunk: well, that space game looks pretty cool, so i downloaded the demo.  here i am, at the launchpad, 3rd rocket, HOW DO I LAUNCH IT?
i realize i may be quite dumb.


Virtual Pariah: Lurk sober post drunk: well, that space game looks pretty cool, so i downloaded the demo.  here i am, at the launchpad, 3rd rocket, HOW DO I LAUNCH IT?
i realize i may be quite dumb.

Nah.

I haven't figured that out either.


Isn't it obvious?  If you want to go to space, press Space.
 
2013-07-28 08:21:39 PM  

LrdPhoenix: Lurk sober post drunk: well, that space game looks pretty cool, so i downloaded the demo.  here i am, at the launchpad, 3rd rocket, HOW DO I LAUNCH IT?
i realize i may be quite dumb.

Virtual Pariah: Lurk sober post drunk: well, that space game looks pretty cool, so i downloaded the demo.  here i am, at the launchpad, 3rd rocket, HOW DO I LAUNCH IT?
i realize i may be quite dumb.

Nah.

I haven't figured that out either.

Isn't it obvious?  If you want to go to space, press Space.


Oh, it also goes through the stages from the bottom to the top of the staging list one at a time for each time you push it.
 
2013-07-28 08:23:37 PM  

Lurk sober post drunk: well, that space game looks pretty cool, so i downloaded the demo.  here i am, at the launchpad, 3rd rocket, HOW DO I LAUNCH IT?
i realize i may be quite dumb.


Virtual Pariah: Lurk sober post drunk: well, that space game looks pretty cool, so i downloaded the demo.  here i am, at the launchpad, 3rd rocket, HOW DO I LAUNCH IT?
i realize i may be quite dumb.

Nah.

I haven't figured that out either.


Oh, and shift and ctrl increases and decreases throttle respectively.
 
2013-07-28 08:25:16 PM  

Mad_Radhu: kingoomieiii: Tommy Moo: I have never played Fez and I don't care how many people say that it's good; this guy is an arrogant dick and I will boycott him for life. He sounds like one of those guys who talks just so much because he's never been made to swallow his teeth.

At GDC, when asked earnestly by a Japanese gamer what the panel thought about modern Japanese games, Phil Fish stated, looking into the man's eyes, "They suck. You guys need to get with the times."

The rest of the answer is actually bearable, but Phil Fish is an arrogant asshole.

He may be an asswipe, but he's not wrong. Even on the PS3, you don't see games like Uncharted, The Last of Us, or Heavy Rain coming out of Japan. In the PS1 era almost all the great games were coming out of Japan, but I can't remember the last time I even played a game from a Japanese studio, and my primary console is a PS3.


I'm sorry, but MGS4 easily is one of the best games of the hardware generation
 
2013-07-28 08:27:49 PM  
You could tell from "Indie Game: The Movie" that this guy was unstable and is likely bipolar as hell. Whatever man...you made a video game. Good for you. Buh-bye now, you sniveling little he-b*tch.
 
2013-07-28 08:38:10 PM  

LrdPhoenix: Lurk sober post drunk: well, that space game looks pretty cool, so i downloaded the demo.  here i am, at the launchpad, 3rd rocket, HOW DO I LAUNCH IT?
i realize i may be quite dumb.

Virtual Pariah: Lurk sober post drunk: well, that space game looks pretty cool, so i downloaded the demo.  here i am, at the launchpad, 3rd rocket, HOW DO I LAUNCH IT?
i realize i may be quite dumb.

Nah.

I haven't figured that out either.

Oh, and shift and ctrl increases and decreases throttle respectively.


Eh...thanks.  Pressing space does indeed cause a sound.  So...how do I get the engines to ignite?
 
2013-07-28 08:52:23 PM  

rocky_howard: Yeah, like I'm going to believe him anything about going away and cancelling the game as opposed as it being a transparent scheme to bring attention to his game. Clearly.

The guy has FREAKING ANDY KAUFFMAN as his profile pic, are journalists/public really this stupid?

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He is nothing like Andy Kaufman. Kaufman was subtle with his trolling. He never let himself become bigger than the joke, even when he stayed in kfab through his brief WWF career.

Phil Fish, the man who was suicidal because designing his claim to fame (Yes, designing, because he can't program and there were 3 or 4 other people who developed the game and did all of the hard work that he took all of the credit for) was too hard for him, is no Andy Kaufman
 
2013-07-28 09:02:27 PM  

Lurk sober post drunk: LrdPhoenix: Lurk sober post drunk: well, that space game looks pretty cool, so i downloaded the demo.  here i am, at the launchpad, 3rd rocket, HOW DO I LAUNCH IT?
i realize i may be quite dumb.

Virtual Pariah: Lurk sober post drunk: well, that space game looks pretty cool, so i downloaded the demo.  here i am, at the launchpad, 3rd rocket, HOW DO I LAUNCH IT?
i realize i may be quite dumb.

Nah.

I haven't figured that out either.

Oh, and shift and ctrl increases and decreases throttle respectively.

Eh...thanks.  Pressing space does indeed cause a sound.  So...how do I get the engines to ignite?


In the spacecraft building, you can adjust your staging on the right, the numbered list with all the icons in it, by dragging icons around between them or clicking + on a stage (when hovering over it) to add a stage below it.  The lower the number, the later the stage, so if you have 4 stages, 0-3, then stage 3 comes first, then 2, and so on.  At the bottom, you want to put your main engines and other things like SRBs that you want to fire right away, including any gantries (which will disconnect from the ship when the stage is activated) that you have put on for stabilization.  In the later stages you have things like separators and later stage engines and stuff.

Then, when you get it on the launch pad, press Shift to up your throttle to whatever you want (big spacecraft may want to start out a little low due to keep from falling apart due to G forces), and then Space to initiate the first stage, which if your main engines are in that stage, they should then fire up.

Might want to check out the Tutorial missions under the Start Game menu as well.
 
2013-07-28 09:03:15 PM  

LrdPhoenix: lets you set up your own launch platforms on other planets


Links pleasepleaseplease. This is something I really wish the base game did or will do in the future.
 
2013-07-28 09:07:44 PM  

Mentalpatient87: LrdPhoenix: lets you set up your own launch platforms on other planets

Links pleasepleaseplease. This is something I really wish the base game did or will do in the future.


This was the one I was thinking of: http://kerbalspaceport.com/extraplantary-launchpads/

But there are others.
 
2013-07-28 09:37:06 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Kerbal is a waste of time.  Please keep this thread to discussion of Phil Fish.


Holy shiat!  Mike Lowell is the voice of reason on this thread.

i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-07-28 09:45:26 PM  
thanks for all the help.  i had watched the in-game tutorials, watched the linked ones (and the game seems cool) but i just can't get it to work.
 
2013-07-28 09:53:22 PM  

blue_2501: i1.kym-cdn.com


I was trying to imply that Phil Fish was also a waste of time but I failed.
 
2013-07-28 09:58:06 PM  
Been working on the tutorials.

My PC is choking on the launches though. The transition from when you stop seeing the land is a bit much for my old pc.
Before that it's fine, after that it's fine.
 
2013-07-28 10:13:42 PM  
A) Fez is a tremendous game.  Apparently people above think it's all wireframes?  What?  That's entirely not correct.

B) Obviously, Phil Fish has a few issues.  Or more than few.  But "dude clearly has some emotional issues.  So, fark him!" is kind of a dick attitude.

C) Jon Blow's every bit as bad/sensitive.  He's just better at putting on a good public image face.  The fact that I'm concerned he'll show up here to correct me is pretty telling.

D) Watch Indie Game.  Mostly because Super Meat Boy needs even more attention.

E) Did someone in this thread really say Fez's puzzles are simple?  Because they aren't.  At least, not all of them.
 
2013-07-28 10:14:42 PM  
Nice hatchet job by the Verge here - of course they'd protect one of their own. Marcus Beer (and a lot of other 'journalists') should be getting a lot more shiat for this than they are.
 
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