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2013-07-28 05:29:41 AM  
Go ahead smokers, ignore your health.  That leaves more health for the rest of us.
 
2013-07-28 07:05:38 AM  
Why would health nuts, or anyone, give a crap?
 
2013-07-28 07:10:56 AM  
So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.
 
2013-07-28 08:20:14 AM  
Don't taunt them, subby.  Enough people are already inclined to try to further control the sale of ecigs.
 
2013-07-28 08:25:38 AM  
I think subby intentionally got that backwards.
 
2013-07-28 08:37:59 AM  
Smoke up and die, already, before universal healthcare comes along and makes us all pay for your stupidity.

/Quit twelve years ago.
 
2013-07-28 08:53:42 AM  
I will never get my mom to stop smoking.  Never mind she's already having coughing fits that puts my passed grandmother's death bed rattles to shame, she just "enjoys it" too much to quit.  But, at the very least I wish she would go with an e-cig.  I've been visiting the families the last month (we live in Spain, but I bring the kids home for the summer to see the grandparents) and all of my clothes smell like stale, nasty smoke.  My eyes are constantly burning.  My sinuses are so clogged up with black, tar-like snot that I can hardly breath.

I may never get her to stop destroying her own health, but maybe it's not too much to ask for her to stop destroying ours or stenching up the place.
 
2013-07-28 09:00:33 AM  

LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.


The juices for them are nitoctine in a polypropylene gylcol or vegetable glycol suspension with flavor additives, so aside from the nicotine, it's not terribly different than inhaling steam from a cooking pot on a stove. The glycol can be dangerous, but only in very large amounts.
 
2013-07-28 09:09:08 AM  

Shadowknight: I will never get my mom to stop smoking.  Never mind she's already having coughing fits that puts my passed grandmother's death bed rattles to shame, she just "enjoys it" too much to quit.  But, at the very least I wish she would go with an e-cig.  I've been visiting the families the last month (we live in Spain, but I bring the kids home for the summer to see the grandparents) and all of my clothes smell like stale, nasty smoke.  My eyes are constantly burning.  My sinuses are so clogged up with black, tar-like snot that I can hardly breath.

I may never get her to stop destroying her own health, but maybe it's not too much to ask for her to stop destroying ours or stenching up the place.


Can you stay in a hotel when visiting?  Yeah, it may piss her off, but she's the one who chose cigarettes over you and the family.
 
2013-07-28 09:11:34 AM  
Why should anyone care if I put nicotine, or THC, or even a dick in my own colon? Its my farking body.
 
2013-07-28 09:11:44 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Don't taunt them, subby.  Enough people are already inclined to try to further control the sale of ecigs.


THIS - 100 times THIS...

The Airlines have already jumped on the "It's just like smoking!" bandwagon...
 
2013-07-28 09:12:43 AM  

LadyHawke: Can you stay in a hotel when visiting?  Yeah, it may piss her off, but she's the one who chose cigarettes over you and the family.


For a whole month?  No, not really an option.  Too damn expensive,and kind of defeats the purpose of coming from the other side of the ocean to let the grandkids see their grandparents.  

My dad and her husband of 33 years just died two months ago from some mystery infection we still haven't figured out, so we're not really pushing the "quitting smoking" thing real hard right now.  When the summer is up, we'll have that talk,  but for now we don't want to add any extra stress to her.
 
2013-07-28 09:21:32 AM  

cman: Why should anyone care if I put nicotine, or THC, or even a dick in my own colon? Its my farking body.


Anally-administered THC?  Well, that would explain all the brown frown that's been going around lately.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-07-28 09:30:37 AM  
there's nothing you anti-smoking health nuts can do about it

The nuts in my area are regulating them like cigarettes. No e-ing in or near buildings, no sales to minors.
 
2013-07-28 09:31:18 AM  

Shadowknight: I will never get my mom to stop smoking...maybe it's not too much to ask for her to stop destroying ours or stenching up the place.


Gift her a hookah and and some honeydew tobacco. And some appropriate charcoal. Everyone will be much happier.
 
2013-07-28 09:32:21 AM  

PainInTheASP: cman: Why should anyone care if I put nicotine, or THC, or even a dick in my own colon? Its my farking body.

Anally-administered THC?  Well, that would explain all the brown frown that's been going around lately.


God damn there are times that I despise English and its rigid rules.
 
2013-07-28 10:08:27 AM  

Somacandra: Shadowknight: I will never get my mom to stop smoking...maybe it's not too much to ask for her to stop destroying ours or stenching up the place.

Gift her a hookah and and some honeydew tobacco. And some appropriate charcoal. Everyone will be much happier.


You are an idiot.
 
2013-07-28 10:10:51 AM  

Sinclair.laker: Relatively Obscure: Don't taunt them, subby.  Enough people are already inclined to try to further control the sale of ecigs.

THIS - 100 times THIS...

The Airlines have already jumped on the "It's just like smoking!" bandwagon...


Aw.  All of them?

Do they set off the detectors in the bathroom?
 
2013-07-28 10:11:47 AM  
Pinhead sucking on an Ecig in the pub
Wouldn't stop crowin' about how cool they were
Went out on the veranda and here's our hero, suckin' down a Marble Row lite...
 
2013-07-28 10:13:25 AM  
I couldn't care less what smokers do to their own bodies. It's the smoke in the room, the stench permeating everything and the fact that smokers think it's okay to toss their used butts anywhere they please that pisses me off.
 
2013-07-28 10:14:01 AM  
I don't know much about the e-cigs and I certainly DNRTFA. I would think an e-cig habit is rather cost prohibitive. My guess is a pack of e-cigs cost 10x a pack of cigarettes.
 
2013-07-28 10:14:53 AM  

Aarontology: LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.

The juices for them are nitoctine in a polypropylene gylcol or vegetable glycol suspension with flavor additives, so aside from the nicotine, it's not terribly different than inhaling steam from a cooking pot on a stove. The glycol can be dangerous, but only in very large amounts.


This is so.

And while there ARE some particulates in the vapor which, quite frankly, aren't exactly good for you, they're roughly 2+ microns in size whereas regular cigarette smoke are .1 or smaller. Of course, that's part of why people have a harder time with e-cigs; Regular smoke gets nicotine to your system within a matter of seconds, while vapor absorbs much more slowly, generally not giving you that rush.

I went over to them in February after 20+ years of smoking, and haven't looked back. Felt better within two weeks. Now I make my own e-juice and have gotten it down to a very low nicotine level. By the end of the summer, I'll be down to zero nicotine and will stop using them altogether. Even with all the supplies I've purchased, the cost per month has been half what I spent on smokes. They taste better, too, and don't leave me smelling like crap, which had the upshot of my girlfriend snogging me more often. Which I fully support.

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2013-07-28 10:15:05 AM  
e-cigarettes are already banned in a good number restaurants around me and all car rental/non smoking hotel rooms.

It is time smokers realize it has never been about your health it is about punishing you for your filthy habit. If you want to smoke you can do it outside in the rain 30 feet from the nearest door.
 
2013-07-28 10:17:03 AM  
I hate cigarettes. The smell of the smoke makes me feel like vomiting. I've never had a problem with e-cigs and even spent a couple of years trying in vain to get my ex to switch.
 
2013-07-28 10:17:14 AM  

Shadowknight: I will never get my mom to stop smoking.  Never mind she's already having coughing fits that puts my passed grandmother's death bed rattles to shame, she just "enjoys it" too much to quit.  But, at the very least I wish she would go with an e-cig.  I've been visiting the families the last month (we live in Spain, but I bring the kids home for the summer to see the grandparents) and all of my clothes smell like stale, nasty smoke.  My eyes are constantly burning.  My sinuses are so clogged up with black, tar-like snot that I can hardly breath.

I may never get her to stop destroying her own health, but maybe it's not too much to ask for her to stop destroying ours or stenching up the place.


Just punch her in the face every time she lights up a cigarette.  She will either quickly quit or will be unable to light one up.  Problem solved!
 
2013-07-28 10:18:15 AM  
I spent 10 years chewing nicotine gum before finally kicking the habit. As a result my lungs & health are fine. I'd support any smoker moving to e-cigarettes vs the real thing. They will do them a lot less harm. Good luck trying to kick the tarred lung habit.
 
2013-07-28 10:21:18 AM  
Militant anti-smokers are bigger douches than smokers.

Cancer beats righteous indignation every time.
 
2013-07-28 10:21:52 AM  

jamspoon: I spent 10 years chewing nicotine gum before finally kicking the habit. As a result my lungs & health are fine.


Chewing the gum right now.  I've quit the gum in the past by slowly switching to normal spearmint gum.  It's expensive, but less expensive than lung cancer.

/Good job quitting.
 
2013-07-28 10:22:16 AM  

Disgruntled Goat: I couldn't care less what smokers do to their own bodies. It's the smoke in the room, the stench permeating everything and the fact that smokers think it's okay to toss their used butts anywhere they please that pisses me off.


This.
 
2013-07-28 10:23:03 AM  
As long as they don't smell and don't fark up my health, have at it. I hate smokers because of what it does to me, not you. I don't care if addicts die from their addiction as long as they take no one with them.
 
GBB
2013-07-28 10:23:27 AM  
You e-cig smokers can look stupid all you want, I don't care.  Just as long as you're not smoking the real thing and stinking up the place, enjoy.
 
2013-07-28 10:25:33 AM  
I notice that a Nuvo e-cig advertisement popped at the top of the Fark bar at the same time as this thread. Never seen that before and I don't smoke or no reason to be marketed to.  Any one else get this or just a coincidence?
 
2013-07-28 10:27:54 AM  

berylman: I notice that a Nuvo e-cig advertisement popped at the top of the Fark bar at the same time as this thread. Never seen that before and I don't smoke or no reason to be marketed to.  Any one else get this or just a coincidence?


Me too. Coincidentally just after I posted in this thread. Drew, did you let PRISM get onto Fark again?
 
2013-07-28 10:29:59 AM  
The people who I know who use e-cigs are using them to try and quit smoking. When I'm ready to quit I'll probably go that route as well. But yes, I am a smoker, unfortunately. I don't smoke in my home and I'm down to about 5-7 of them a day. I'll quit when I'm ready, just not ready right now...
 
2013-07-28 10:31:00 AM  

Carth: e-cigarettes are already banned in a good number restaurants around me and all car rental/non smoking hotel rooms.

It is time smokers realize it has never been about your health it is about punishing you for your filthy habit. If you want to smoke you can do it outside in the rain 30 feet from the nearest door.


Yeah, the people that want to ban these too have shown their true colors. It is more of a "Stop liking things that I don't like" than a health issue. I do have to wonder how they're going to know you've been using an e-cig in a rental car or hotel room though. I do it, I just make sure to not use juice that has a strong tobacco scent to it and don't take a drag off of the thing within the last few miles before dropping the rental car off, it has never been an issue.

I've been on e-cigs for a year and a half now.  I tried one Marlboro light when I was drinking with some friends a couple of months back, I -hated- it. Took two drags and threw it in the fire. I'm done with regular smokes thanks to my e-cig, and I'm very happy with that. No more hacking cough, no more smelling like an ashtray (I can't believe I used to smell like that!) and no more yellow fingers.
 
2013-07-28 10:31:27 AM  

Disgruntled Goat: I couldn't care less what smokers do to their own bodies. It's the smoke in the room, the stench permeating everything and the fact that smokers think it's okay to toss their used butts anywhere they please that pisses me off.



Exactly the points I came here to make, those are the two things that annoy me about real cigarettes -- the fact that they make *me* stink if I'm too close to a smoker, and way too many smokers are damn litterbugs who are too lazy to clean up after themselves. The existence of e-cigarettes is a wonderful thing.
 
2013-07-28 10:31:53 AM  
I'm using my vapor kit right now. It's fantastic.
 
2013-07-28 10:32:53 AM  
Just no one tell them 'e-cigs' produce a lot of dioxins. Huffing on hot plastic is perfectly safe.
 
2013-07-28 10:33:08 AM  

born_yesterday: jamspoon: I spent 10 years chewing nicotine gum before finally kicking the habit. As a result my lungs & health are fine.

Chewing the gum right now.  I've quit the gum in the past by slowly switching to normal spearmint gum.  It's expensive, but less expensive than lung cancer.

/Good job quitting.


Good luck with keeping off the cigarettes. There was a time when I was on gum & hand rolled cigs. I'd advise ignoring the recommended dose at first - chew as much as you need. My wife is now a long term gum user. No early morning cough so worth every penny. Gum in the UK is now sold by supermarkets so price now discounted.
 
GBB
2013-07-28 10:35:49 AM  

sendtodave: Sinclair.laker: Relatively Obscure: Don't taunt them, subby.  Enough people are already inclined to try to further control the sale of ecigs.

THIS - 100 times THIS...

The Airlines have already jumped on the "It's just like smoking!" bandwagon...

Aw.  All of them?

Do they set off the detectors in the bathroom?


No, but they'll catch you on the cctv monitor.
 
2013-07-28 10:36:16 AM  

GBB: You e-cig smokers can look stupid all you want, I don't care.  Just as long as you're not smoking the real thing and stinking up the place, enjoy.


That smell gets into everything. The elderly couple across the street from me are in their 70s and have each smoked for over 50 years. The wife knitted me a blanket to say thanks with helping them shovel snow this past winter, which was nice of her. I've washed that thing about four times and I still can't get the smell of smoke out...it's essentially permanently bonded to the fibres.
 
2013-07-28 10:38:23 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: As long as they don't smell and don't fark up my health, have at it. I hate smokers because of what it does to me, not you. I don't care if addicts die from their addiction as long as they take no one with them.


They don't smell, you don't even notice someone is using one around you. I mean, right next to you, even.  So much better to be around (I can't stand being around cigarettes, if I am around people smoking long enough, I'll end up feeling like I have a hangover the next day, even without having a drink.  It just disagrees with me.)

I think people should be encouraged to use these, not pushing to stop/limit the use of them. Otherwise, what's the incentive to use something that doesn't affect other people, if they still have to leave everywhere they go before they use it?
 
2013-07-28 10:39:07 AM  

miss diminutive: GBB: You e-cig smokers can look stupid all you want, I don't care.  Just as long as you're not smoking the real thing and stinking up the place, enjoy.

That smell gets into everything. The elderly couple across the street from me are in their 70s and have each smoked for over 50 years. The wife knitted me a blanket to say thanks with helping them shovel snow this past winter, which was nice of her. I've washed that thing about four times and I still can't get the smell of smoke out...it's essentially permanently bonded to the fibres.


I never smoked cigarettes and quite a bit of it was for that reason. That and they have piss and even worse things in them. I did, however, smoke cigars and pipes for a long time.  Now that I have a vapor kit it's like an air freshener I get to inhale.  My current flavor tastes and smells just like Sweet Tarts.
 
2013-07-28 10:39:17 AM  

Barfmaker: Why would health nuts, or anyone, give a crap?


Because, like, seventh-handed smoke, and that butterfly in China will get cancer.

/oh yeah, THE CHILDREN!
 
2013-07-28 10:40:56 AM  
Wouldn't nicotine be in suspension in the vapor coming off e-cigs? It is a poison in strong enough doses. Nicotine can be used as a pesticide. Would it be okay for someone to spray bug killer everywhere they want just because it's not smoke?
 
2013-07-28 10:41:01 AM  

DubyaHater: I don't know much about the e-cigs and I certainly DNRTFA. I would think an e-cig habit is rather cost prohibitive. My guess is a pack of e-cigs cost 10x a pack of cigarettes.


It's more the other way -- An Ecig is 20 bucks, and refills, equivalent to two packs, costs 6 bucks. A pack of smokes these days is 7 dollars.
I switched over 2 weeks ago and it's great. It has all the same rituals, which the patch and gum lack. It also tastes nasty and is harsh on your throat, so hey just like the real thing! Plus I can sneak drags in the movies, and my car doesn't reek anymore.
 
2013-07-28 10:41:21 AM  
We figured out (read: we found a website that explained) how to modify them for alternate use. It's made the last few concerts more fun and paranoia-free.

Now to work on a sonic screwdriver mod ...
 
2013-07-28 10:41:29 AM  
I switched to e-cigs for about 3 months. I liked it and saved a bunch of money, but my psoriasis started flaring up like crazy. So now I'm back on the real thing, temporarily, while I get ready to go cold turkey. In the meantime, my psoriasis has quieted back down. I seems to go against everything I've been able to find out about these things, but my anecdotal evidence is good enough for me.
 
2013-07-28 10:42:41 AM  
i-i-I b-believeieve you sp-spelt movemement wrwrong.
 
2013-07-28 10:43:11 AM  
cigs are going up $1 per pack next week in MA.   I have multiple friends who want to quit smoking in order to save money.   They are all using e-cigs.   I don't care if it works or if it saves money.   I'm buying stock in e-cig companies!
 
2013-07-28 10:43:41 AM  
How soon before we get e-chaw or e-snuff?
 
2013-07-28 10:44:04 AM  
So, no one has figured out how to use e-cigs as an illegal drug delivery system?  America, I am disappoint.
 
2013-07-28 10:44:18 AM  
I'm just starting to use e-cigs to quit smoking. I'm 43 and started smoking when I was 16, so it is quite a change.

I get all the smoker hate in the thread (I don't litter, and I go far away from others when I light up) but dammit, don't charge me more for health care than the fat bastards who need a cart to get their sugar loaded crap at Wal*Mart. If you can't walk to buy it, you don't need it.
 
2013-07-28 10:46:13 AM  
In regard to the ones who use e-cigs to quit: I heard in the past that people quitting would carry an unlit cigarette because it was that was the habit beyond the addiction to the nicotine.

E-cigs would satisfy that habit, BUT what happens when you quit the e-cigs?
 
2013-07-28 10:47:06 AM  

DubyaHater: I don't know much about the e-cigs and I certainly DNRTFA. I would think an e-cig habit is rather cost prohibitive. My guess is a pack of e-cigs cost 10x a pack of cigarettes.


It's just the opposite. I switched to an ecig to quit and the cartridges last the equivalent of a pack of cigarettes (give or take) and a pack of 5 cartridges was $9.
 
2013-07-28 10:47:33 AM  
Every time I see someone, male or female, smoking an e-cigarette the phrase:  "Total Dweep" comes to mind.  I always wonder, "Do they put water in a beer class and pretend that they are drinking beer?"
 
2013-07-28 10:47:55 AM  
Jerry Espenson busts a gut
 
2013-07-28 10:48:50 AM  

duffblue: Somacandra: Shadowknight: I will never get my mom to stop smoking...maybe it's not too much to ask for her to stop destroying ours or stenching up the place.

Gift her a hookah and and some honeydew tobacco. And some appropriate charcoal. Everyone will be much happier.

You are an idiot.


You are an ass.
 
2013-07-28 10:51:09 AM  
They want them in the same category as cigs to justify taxing them like cigs.
 
2013-07-28 10:51:52 AM  
The military bans their use indoors. As do a few businesses I frequent.

/addiction is a terrible thing
 
2013-07-28 10:53:20 AM  
Smoker:  So what I really like to do is take this toxic weed, dry it out, roll it up into a stick, put it in my mouth and then light  the other end on fire.

Non-smoke:  Is that safe?

Smoker:  Well the weed is toxic...  and addictive...

Non-smoker:  That doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

Smoker:  You're crazy!


lolz
 
2013-07-28 10:54:11 AM  

serpent_sky: They don't smell, you don't even notice someone is using one around you. I mean, right next to you, even.


It does have a smell.  It doesn't last long, and it's vaguely ozone-like.  I don't find it particularly disagreeable, but I can see why some people would complain about it on a plane.  Add to the fact that we are conditioned to see people smoking a cigarette and being repulsed by it these days, I can see why it is banned on planes, restaurants, workplaces...

That said, I also see the benefit in making it so that people don't need to take hourly smoke breaks to prevent them from becoming moody bastards at work.  But that's something that can be overcome with a gum or patch, and eventually just quitting, but hey, it's your life.  At least the e-cigs don't make me smell you from a room away.
 
2013-07-28 10:54:47 AM  
If it weren't for e-cigs, my hubby would probably have COPD or lung cancer by now. Why would people be against them?

/dnrtfa
//will go rtfa
 
2013-07-28 10:55:02 AM  
I smoked 2-3 packs/day for 20 years and quit almost 2 years ago. What worked for me, after all the usual failed attempts, was a combination of chantix and wellbutrin. It still takes a good dose of willpower, but the meds taking some of the edge off made the difference between success and failure. I stopped taking both after about 3 months. None of the nicotine replacement products ever worked for me long term.
 
2013-07-28 10:55:23 AM  
That fake "smoke" you see after someone takes a drag off an e-cig comes from glycol. The same stuff used in fog machines in night clubs and also the crap I spray all over airplanes in the winter to de-ice them.

Chew nicotine gum if you want nicotine so badly.
 
2013-07-28 10:55:29 AM  

Disgruntled Goat: I couldn't care less what smokers do to their own bodies. It's the smoke in the room, the stench permeating everything and the fact that smokers think it's okay to toss their used butts anywhere they please that pisses me off.


Nothing ruins the beauty of being outside for me like a bunch of cigarette butts all over the ground... that or gum left all over the place.... farking animals.
 
2013-07-28 10:55:55 AM  
I quit smoking about 6 years ago, and I've often thought about picking up an ecig for the odd occasion when I still have a craving (yes, even after 6 years, you still get the occasional "God, I could use a smoke right now" moments)

But - I guess in the grand scheme of things I'm better off. It's a matter of not wanting to be 'addicted' to nicotine again, mainly because I hated the way my irritability would climb the longer I went without a cigarette. I also like not having to stand around in horrible weather puffing on a smoke because you can't smoke just about anywhere any more.

The article says that there is no clear info as to whether the vapor is more or less dangerous than cigarette smoke. But I'd be interested in any studies that may be out there about the long term affects of nicotine *by itself*, not in cigarette smoke. Someone once told me that it tends to increase blood pressure, but that was one (non-medical) person. Off to Wikipedia I go! (voom!)
 
2013-07-28 10:57:14 AM  

sendtodave: Militant anti-smokers are bigger douches than smokers.


The only thing worse are Militant Ex-smokers
 
2013-07-28 10:57:32 AM  

katerbug72: If it weren't for e-cigs, my hubby would probably have COPD or lung cancer by now. Why would people be against them?

/dnrtfa
//will go rtfa


He has also quit the e-cigs now too, btw. He went from the US e-smokes with nicotine to the Canadian ones with just a flavour vapour. It's the only quit method that worked for him.
 
2013-07-28 10:57:40 AM  
Finally got an old friend to quit by pushing her to these.  She no longer smells nor tastes like an ashtray, so there's my benefit, and she feels a ton better and is getting out more, now that she has energy again.

I'm bothered by the fact that so many are quick to lump E-cigs in with cigarettes even though they're entirely different from each other.
 
2013-07-28 10:58:56 AM  
Now someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that while nicotine is itself addictive, there was basically no conclusive evidence between pure nicotine usage and cancer.
 
2013-07-28 10:59:54 AM  
♫ I can't get no satisfaction ♫

.....from electronic cigarettes.
 
2013-07-28 11:00:48 AM  

Endive Wombat: Now someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that while nicotine is itself addictive, there was basically no conclusive evidence between pure nicotine usage and cancer.


No, you're right.  It's the other crap in cigs that cause the cancer, not the nicotine itself.
 
2013-07-28 11:00:58 AM  
Do you smokers know what chemicals they're using in those e-cigs? Sure, it seems healthier because there's no smoke, but you're still willingly inhaling carcinogens just to stick it to us non-smokers. That, to me, is hilarious.
 
2013-07-28 11:01:18 AM  
I am an anti-smoking health nut, and I will recommend e-cigs to any smoker I can.  Better for them, better for everyone else.

Much as someone who is truly "pro-life" must support free birth control in order to appear reasonable, any reasonable anti-smoker has to be pro-e-cig.

And yes, I get annoyed by the places banning them.  At least they are, I believe, easier to hide.
 
2013-07-28 11:01:55 AM  
I was sitting in a movie theatre close to the front 2 seats away from a guy who was nearly chain smoking an e-cig because either he could or was a nicotine addict I don't know. It didn't smell or bother me much but I wasn't sitting behind him where there were huge visible clouds of vapor obscuring the screen. The only odd thing is no one cared.
 
2013-07-28 11:02:16 AM  
Switching to PVs has been the best choice of my adult life. Don't buy the cheapass kits from stores; go online and get some quality stuff like a Provari, LavaTube for good variable voltage devices, and eGo or iTaste if you want something mid sized. Still too big? Then get a good 510 kit; a Joye-T  or Magma-T is good beginner's setup.

Been vaping for over two years now. I can run without weasing, my lungs don't ever hurt, and the experience just doesn't feel as addicting without all the additives. Being able to gently lower the dose of the liquid has helped many people quit smoking. I started at 24mg, and am now at 8mg.
 
2013-07-28 11:02:39 AM  

LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.


Mmmm, emitting a vapor that contains a known drug that has side effects? Yeah, I want that floating around me in an enclosed room. Piss off, addicts.

You should do what heroin addicts do and shoot up quietly in the bathroom stalls or justwear a farkin' patch. Enough with the oral fixations.
 
2013-07-28 11:03:16 AM  

Disgruntled Goat: I couldn't care less what smokers do to their own bodies. It's the smoke in the room, the stench permeating everything and the fact that smokers think it's okay to toss their used butts anywhere they please that pisses me off.


Went hiking up a mountain trail the other weekend. On the way down, lying directly in the middle of the path was somebody's cigarette butt. Not too far off was the wrapper from their cough drop. I wanted to catch up to them for ease of strangling.
 
2013-07-28 11:03:21 AM  

Infernalist: Finally got an old friend to quit by pushing her to these.  She no longer smells nor tastes like an ashtray,


Exactly how often are you tasting your friend?
 
2013-07-28 11:03:28 AM  
My job just announced that insurance is going up for tobacco users next year by $150 a month and gave all tobacco users 4 days to quit, so a bunch of people started bringing E-Cigs in and selling them to other employees. Then the company also announced that E-Cigs were also covered under the new rules, and that anyone using an E-Cig would also pay $150 more per month for insurance.
Been a grumpy few weeks at the office.
 
2013-07-28 11:04:19 AM  

Shadowknight: I may never get her to stop destroying her own health, but maybe it's not too much to ask for her to stop destroying ours or stenching up the place.


My wife and I both smoke as well as others in our families. If we have family over for the holidays all the smokers will go out to the garage to smoke just to be courteous.  That's only for an afternoon of evening though. If they were here a whole month? Well, too bad. I wouldn't smoke at their house but this is my house. Sorry, you can deal with it or stay somewhere else.
 
2013-07-28 11:04:45 AM  

AirForceVet: LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.

Mmmm, emitting a vapor that contains a known drug that has side effects? Yeah, I want that floating around me in an enclosed room. Piss off, addicts.

You should do what heroin addicts do and shoot up quietly in the bathroom stalls or justwear a farkin' patch. Enough with the oral fixations.


Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.
 
2013-07-28 11:04:55 AM  

Endive Wombat: Now someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that while nicotine is itself addictive, there was basically no conclusive evidence between pure nicotine usage and cancer.


Pretty much, but nicotine is a pretty potent stimulant.  It will cause you all sorts of other issues unrelated to the carcinogens in the actual cigarettes..
 
2013-07-28 11:06:47 AM  

Shadowknight: Infernalist: Finally got an old friend to quit by pushing her to these.  She no longer smells nor tastes like an ashtray,

Exactly how often are you tasting your friend?


Not nearly often enough, she's a cutie.
 
2013-07-28 11:07:59 AM  

simusid: cigs are going up $1 per pack next week in MA.   I have multiple friends who want to quit smoking in order to save money.   They are all using e-cigs.   I don't care if it works or if it saves money.   I'm buying stock in e-cig companies!


I wonder what they would tax to make up for the loss of all that money if all the smokers suddenly gave up smoking?
 
2013-07-28 11:09:32 AM  

vegas_greaser: My job just announced that insurance is going up for tobacco users next year by $150 a month and gave all tobacco users 4 days to quit, so a bunch of people started bringing E-Cigs in and selling them to other employees. Then the company also announced that E-Cigs were also covered under the new rules, and that anyone using an E-Cig would also pay $150 more per month for insurance.
Been a grumpy few weeks at the office.


Well, that's bullshiat. Why lump e-cigs in there?
 
2013-07-28 11:10:48 AM  

Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too


Wait, is there such a thing as secondhand habanero vapor? Can I see the study?
 
2013-07-28 11:11:27 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: but you're still willingly inhaling carcinogens just to stick it to us non-smokers.


Yes. Smokers do it because you're so important they're willing to take the risk just to stick it to you.

/get over yourself.
 
2013-07-28 11:12:33 AM  
It can't be as bad as smoking, right? And even so, I'll just sticked to modified BHO pen...
 
2013-07-28 11:12:44 AM  

Serious Black: berylman: I notice that a Nuvo e-cig advertisement popped at the top of the Fark bar at the same time as this thread. Never seen that before and I don't smoke or no reason to be marketed to.  Any one else get this or just a coincidence?

Me too. Coincidentally just after I posted in this thread. Drew, did you let PRISM get onto Fark again?


And that is why I don't feed the fark squirrel.  I don't need bukkake ads showing up in the corner.
 
2013-07-28 11:13:28 AM  
I stood next to a guy using an ecig on a train the other day. He was really going at it, just constantly puffing it. It did not smell at all - if I hadn't seen him doing it I never would have known. After about 20 minutes though I started to get a headache, which went away as soon as he got off the train.

It made me wonder if maybe not all the nicotine was being absorbed by his lungs.

Still, it was infinitely more pleasant than standing next to a smoker or a homeless guy.
 
2013-07-28 11:13:35 AM  
"Patients have come in and say, 'Gee, I've tried this new form of cigarette. It's great. I'm smoking a non-toxic form of cigarette,'" said Dr. Neil Schachter, a lung doctor in New York,. "I say to them ... 'I don't know if this is non-toxic.'"

A million times this!

Hey, I switched to e-cigs, but this e-liquid crap I buy?  How the hell do I know what's in it?  The fact is, I don't.

It's made in farking China - the country that put poison in baby formula.  It could contain all sorts of shiat.  Sometimes I wonder if I'd be healthier if I just went out and bought a pack of real cigarettes.

Of course, the healthiest thing to do would be to give it up altogether, but that's difficult.

It's certainly not as satisfying as an actual cigarette.  I'm constantly charging the farking e-cigs and refilling them so it's not more convenient.   If I still actually smoked, it would be trivial to pull out a cigarette and light it and I would instantly feel the nicotine (and 1000 other chemicals) hit me and I would be momentarily satisfied.

They are cheaper though and I don't really give a fark if I die, so I've got that going for me.
 
2013-07-28 11:14:43 AM  

Serious Black: AirForceVet: LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.

Mmmm, emitting a vapor that contains a known drug that has side effects? Yeah, I want that floating around me in an enclosed room. Piss off, addicts.

You should do what heroin addicts do and shoot up quietly in the bathroom stalls or justwear a farkin' patch. Enough with the oral fixations.

Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.


Good point, I never heard anyone complaining about the spicy clouds around those people. It is pure discrimination!
 
2013-07-28 11:14:51 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too

Wait, is there such a thing as secondhand habanero vapor? Can I see the study?


Maybe they're referring to the inevitable explosive methane release?
 
2013-07-28 11:14:58 AM  

Friend of the Devil: It can't be as bad as smoking, right? And even so, I'll just sticked to modified BHO pen...


It's nicotine without the unholy crap that they put into cigs to make them so addictive, with a water vapor byproduct.

There's no smoke, there's no stink, no cancer-causing agents and users can slowly decrease the nicotine they're taking in, over time.
 
2013-07-28 11:15:12 AM  

AirForceVet: LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.

Mmmm, emitting a vapor that contains a known drug that has side effects? Yeah, I want that floating around me in an enclosed room. Piss off, addicts.

You should do what heroin addicts do and shoot up quietly in the bathroom stalls or justwear a farkin' patch. Enough with the oral fixations.


Nicotine alone is about on par with caffeine in terms of how bad for you it is. Vapor dissipates rapidly upon exhale, and depending on how long it was held in, barely any noticeable vapor at all. Even if you were to walk straight into a vapor cloud, you won't be inhaling formaldehyde, arsenic, cyanide, and a whole host of random carcinogens that are present in cigarette smoke, and it's usually odorless to boot.

Vaping has helped people quit a disgusting habit, and it's far less offensive. In short, quit your biatching and mind your own goddamn business.
 
2013-07-28 11:17:31 AM  

cman: Why should anyone care if I put nicotine, or THC, or even a dick in my own colon? Its my farking body.


We don't care what you choose to insert up your ass, just don't expect us to recognize you as some sort of special minority simply because you want to define yourself by your sexual proclivities.

Me, I see myself as a hard working, productive, tax paying member of society.
You, you see yourself as a sodomite.

Well done. As a group you have successfully bullied western society into accepting your definition of marriage and mate using political correctness, shame tactics, and a non existent group of wandering gay bashers that none of you have ever actually encountered.
 
2013-07-28 11:18:44 AM  
I went from smoking 1 to 1 1/2 packs a day to under 5 a day using my new Vaping kit--which costs 50 bucks.   Monthly maintenance and buying more nicotine costs about 20 a month--a savings of $150 per month!  I can sneak a vape anywhere when it's absolutely necessary.  I flew a few weeks ago and Southwest airlines bans their use--I think I could have sneaked one in the bathroom but didn't want to risk the whole federal "interfering with a flight crew" charge, so I didn't.  But it worked in the airport restrooms when I was stranded for 5 hours in freaking Newark!
 
2013-07-28 11:18:50 AM  

Ohlookabutterfly: cman: Why should anyone care if I put nicotine, or THC, or even a dick in my own colon? Its my farking body.

We don't care what you choose to insert up your ass, just don't expect us to recognize you as some sort of special minority simply because you want to define yourself by your sexual proclivities.

Me, I see myself as a hard working, productive, tax paying member of society.
You, you see yourself as a sodomite.

Well done. As a group you have successfully bullied western society into accepting your definition of marriage and mate using political correctness, shame tactics, and a non existent group of wandering gay bashers that none of you have ever actually encountered.

 
2013-07-28 11:19:49 AM  

vegas_greaser: My job just announced that insurance is going up for tobacco users next year by $150 a month and gave all tobacco users 4 days to quit, so a bunch of people started bringing E-Cigs in and selling them to other employees. Then the company also announced that E-Cigs were also covered under the new rules, and that anyone using an E-Cig would also pay $150 more per month for insurance.
Been a grumpy few weeks at the office.


Are they out of their farking minds?  4 days to quit?  4 days?  I mean, I could understand 30-90 days...but 4 days?  4 days to quit using what is probably the most addictive substance most people will encounter in their life.  I am going to guess that zero support was offered here too.

That is really unacceptable.
 
2013-07-28 11:19:51 AM  

Ohlookabutterfly: cman: Why should anyone care if I put nicotine, or THC, or even a dick in my own colon? Its my farking body.

We don't care what you choose to insert up your ass, just don't expect us to recognize you as some sort of special minority simply because you want to define yourself by your sexual proclivities.

Me, I see myself as a hard working, productive, tax paying member of society.
You, you see yourself as a sodomite.

Well done. As a group you have successfully bullied western society into accepting your definition of marriage and mate using political correctness, shame tactics, and a non existent group of wandering gay bashers that none of you have ever actually encountered.


video.mail.ru
 
2013-07-28 11:20:27 AM  
I kicked my two pack a day habit cold turkey 18 years ago.  The first week was tough as I constantly craved a cigarette.  From there on out, I really haven't had an urge to start smoking again and I bowled two times a week in those smokehouses we commonly refer to as bowling alleys..  Not only have I felt better, I must have saved several thousand dollars since.
 
2013-07-28 11:21:05 AM  
Just watch, the tobacco lobbyists will feed your politicians rigged studies showing how e-cigs are dangerous to their users and somehow to bystanders, then blam, even stricter regulations on e-cigs than ol' tabacco.

And good luck trying to vap anywhere that's non-smoking.  Restauranteurs, receptionists, office managers... not a single one of them will care, it looks like a cig, so it's a cig.  Even if they did, they know that some dipshiat patron won't know the difference and will raise unholy hell over it, so they won't let you.
 
2013-07-28 11:21:32 AM  

ZAZ: there's nothing you anti-smoking health nuts can do about it

The nuts in my area are regulating them like cigarettes. No e-ing in or near buildings, no sales to minors.


I can understand not selling nicotine to minors (ecig or not). It is an addictive substance.

I think the biggest obstacle is that people once thought regular cigarettes were safe as well, so you're dealing with an ingrained uncertainty and fear.

As for indoor use, who knows? They're odorless, so find a quiet corner to vape (I use airplane bathrooms for example).
 
2013-07-28 11:21:51 AM  

cman: Why should anyone care if I put nicotine, or THC, or even a dick in my own colon? Its my farking body.


You're smoking wrong
 
2013-07-28 11:22:43 AM  
Shortsighted people everywhere.  All this anti-smoking crap will just make it illegal to have pot cafes when it's legalized.

Think people!
 
2013-07-28 11:24:55 AM  

buzzcut73: I've been on e-cigs for a year and a half now.  I tried one Marlboro light when I was drinking with some friends a couple of months back, I -hated- it.


I've used e-cigs for over a year.  I have a few no-name brand cigs  from a marketing experiment left over and I farking love those things.  e-cigs suck.  Still, not surprised that you didn't like Marlboro Lights - worst cigarette ever.

Yeah, the no-name cigarettes are no-name.  They mailed them to me and they came in a plain white box with no label.  I'm going to read the rest of this thread and then step outside to smoke one of them and I'm sure I'll love it.
 
2013-07-28 11:25:15 AM  

Saberus Terras: Just watch, the tobacco lobbyists will feed your politicians rigged studies showing how e-cigs are dangerous to their users and somehow to bystanders, then blam, even stricter regulations on e-cigs than ol' tabacco.

And good luck trying to vap anywhere that's non-smoking.  Restauranteurs, receptionists, office managers... not a single one of them will care, it looks like a cig, so it's a cig.  Even if they did, they know that some dipshiat patron won't know the difference and will raise unholy hell over it, so they won't let you.


From personal experience, most e-cig users use the same propriety and protocol that goes along with cigs.  You don't do it in a non-smoker's home, you don't do it in a public place and you don't do it in a place labeled as 'non-smoking.'  Since they're all ex-smokers, it's not like it's a great change in their behavior at all.  I've never seen a e-cig user get upset about not being able to use a vape in a place where they've never been able to smoke before.
 
2013-07-28 11:25:39 AM  

Endive Wombat: vegas_greaser: My job just announced that insurance is going up for tobacco users next year by $150 a month and gave all tobacco users 4 days to quit, so a bunch of people started bringing E-Cigs in and selling them to other employees. Then the company also announced that E-Cigs were also covered under the new rules, and that anyone using an E-Cig would also pay $150 more per month for insurance.
Been a grumpy few weeks at the office.

Are they out of their farking minds?  4 days to quit?  4 days?  I mean, I could understand 30-90 days...but 4 days?  4 days to quit using what is probably the most addictive substance most people will encounter in their life.  I am going to guess that zero support was offered here too.

That is really unacceptable.


That.  I've watched my older brother try and fail to quit smoking several times.  I'm pretty sure that nobody could possibly quit in just four days.

/only thing worse was watching my mom try and fail to quit drinking coffee
//at least coffee and tea don't have carcinogens
 
2013-07-28 11:25:56 AM  
I'd much rather people smoke these than smoke real cigarettes. Far less disgusting for everyone else around them, less litter, and AFAIK no harmful secondhand effects (or at least none that are proven). I am about as anti-smoking as it gets, having watched relatives die from smoking and having a younger brother who smokes. I'd rather he smoke these than the real thing, and I'm not convinced they should be banned in public (not sure I'd want to share an airline row with someone using one, though, given that they do still give off vapor).

The one issue I might have with these things is that they obviously are still addictive, since they deliver nicotine. So the question is whether they are actually going to be effective long term in helping people quit. It seems to me that as long as the person is addicted to nicotine, and to the ritual of smoking, there is a strong potential that they will revert to smoking. I can certainly see the benefit if the person tapers down on the nicotine content, but that still takes strong willpower and discipline over a long period of time. I've seen several people fail in attempts to quit using nicotine gum or ecigs because they didn't do that rigorously enough.
 
2013-07-28 11:26:07 AM  

Sgygus: Go ahead smokers, ignore your health.  That leaves more health for the rest of us.


I like the way you logic, boy.
i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-07-28 11:26:53 AM  

advex101: So, no one has figured out how to use e-cigs as an illegal drug delivery system?  America, I am disappoint.


Oh. They have.

In fact, the vaporizer technology used to "smoke" was originally invented by medical weed users, and there are tons of recipes online for creating the juice (hash oil) to fill your little cartridges. I think that could be the actual reason for a lot of the angst against ecigs.
 
2013-07-28 11:26:53 AM  

Saberus Terras: Just watch, the tobacco lobbyists will feed your politicians rigged studies showing how e-cigs are dangerous to their users and somehow to bystanders, then blam, even stricter regulations on e-cigs than ol' tabacco.

And good luck trying to vap anywhere that's non-smoking.  Restauranteurs, receptionists, office managers... not a single one of them will care, it looks like a cig, so it's a cig.  Even if they did, they know that some dipshiat patron won't know the difference and will raise unholy hell over it, so they won't let you.


It's kind of hard to create propaganda against vaping; vapor is proven to be healthier than smoke, the liquid only contains FDA approved falvoring, PG (propylene glycol; used in asthma inhalers), VG (vegetable glycerin; can be mixed in variable ratios to PG. I prefer no VG), and a choice of nicotine content upon purchase.

I don't know if this is true or not, but I heard the Blu is now partnered with RJ Reynolds. If anything, big tobacco wants in.
 
2013-07-28 11:27:00 AM  
N.C. just passed a law making it illegal to sell e-cigs to anyone under the age of eighteen. Go figure, I'd rather have my kid sucking on an e-cig rather then a real cigarette.
 
2013-07-28 11:27:32 AM  
• A thorough evaluation of the health effects is warranted.

• It is almost certainly less damaging than tobacco smoke.

• Tobacco companies will lobby ferociously against this product if it looks to cut into their profits.

• On the other hand, folks should stop farking their lungs up. Switch to nicotine gum or some such IMO.
 
2013-07-28 11:27:46 AM  

gfid: buzzcut73: I've been on e-cigs for a year and a half now.  I tried one Marlboro light when I was drinking with some friends a couple of months back, I -hated- it.

I've used e-cigs for over a year.  I have a few no-name brand cigs  from a marketing experiment left over and I farking love those things.  e-cigs suck.  Still, not surprised that you didn't like Marlboro Lights - worst cigarette ever.

Yeah, the no-name cigarettes are no-name.  They mailed them to me and they came in a plain white box with no label.  I'm going to read the rest of this thread and then step outside to smoke one of them and I'm sure I'll love it.


Darwinism at its finest.
 
2013-07-28 11:28:38 AM  

fnordest: In regard to the ones who use e-cigs to quit: I heard in the past that people quitting would carry an unlit cigarette because it was that was the habit beyond the addiction to the nicotine.

E-cigs would satisfy that habit, BUT what happens when you quit the e-cigs?


The ritual of lighting up is there to some extent but the underlying addiction is nicotine. So to give up the e-cig you still have to lose the addiction to nicotine. Maybe use gum or patches as the next step.
 
2013-07-28 11:29:30 AM  

buzzcut73: Carth: e-cigarettes are already banned in a good number restaurants around me and all car rental/non smoking hotel rooms.

It is time smokers realize it has never been about your health it is about punishing you for your filthy habit. If you want to smoke you can do it outside in the rain 30 feet from the nearest door.

Yeah, the people that want to ban these too have shown their true colors. It is more of a "Stop liking things that I don't like" than a health issue. I do have to wonder how they're going to know you've been using an e-cig in a rental car or hotel room though. I do it, I just make sure to not use juice that has a strong tobacco scent to it and don't take a drag off of the thing within the last few miles before dropping the rental car off, it has never been an issue.

I've been on e-cigs for a year and a half now.  I tried one Marlboro light when I was drinking with some friends a couple of months back, I -hated- it. Took two drags and threw it in the fire. I'm done with regular smokes thanks to my e-cig, and I'm very happy with that. No more hacking cough, no more smelling like an ashtray (I can't believe I used to smell like that!) and no more yellow fingers.


Good on ya!

ecigs with the fruit flavors mixed with a little mint is actually kinda nice.

I tried my buddy's pomegranate mix and it was really tastey. I don't smoke and don't own an ecig, but if you need nicotine it seems like the most interesting way to get it.
 
2013-07-28 11:29:38 AM  

Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.


When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.
 
2013-07-28 11:29:53 AM  
I am 39 and had been smoking consistently since I was 14. That's roughly 25 years of smoking!

49 days ago I switched to an e-cig (eGo C-twist with ismoka tank). .

That means today I am 49 days cig-free. I haven't had one real cig since then. I can breathe better, I can smell and taste foods better, I have more energy and I'm saving a ton of money by switching.

I recently stepped down in strength to a 6, and plan to go down to a 3 next month.

Oh, and only buy juice from the US. It's still not a guarantee of quality, but better odds than juices made in other countries.
 
2013-07-28 11:30:29 AM  
I'm anxiously awaiting the development of eFood and eBooze.
 
2013-07-28 11:31:11 AM  

fnordest: In regard to the ones who use e-cigs to quit: I heard in the past that people quitting would carry an unlit cigarette because it was that was the habit beyond the addiction to the nicotine.

E-cigs would satisfy that habit, BUT what happens when you quit the e-cigs?


In most cases, you have two different kinds of e-cig users:  People who are trying to quit and people who are trying to not die from smoking.

The ones that are trying to quit quickly learn that you can moderate the amount of nicotine that you take in with e-cigs, until they reach the point where they can wean themselves off the e-cigs, too.    The ones that are trying to stay alive and still get their nicotine fix don't care and will 'smoke' e-cigs until they die.
 
2013-07-28 11:31:20 AM  

jamspoon: fnordest: In regard to the ones who use e-cigs to quit: I heard in the past that people quitting would carry an unlit cigarette because it was that was the habit beyond the addiction to the nicotine.

E-cigs would satisfy that habit, BUT what happens when you quit the e-cigs?

The ritual of lighting up is there to some extent but the underlying addiction is nicotine. So to give up the e-cig you still have to lose the addiction to nicotine. Maybe use gum or patches as the next step.


Gum and patches never worked for me in the past. Most e-cig users that I know who wanted to stop their nicotine intake completely just gradually lowered their doses until they were vaping %0 nicotine liquid. Some people continued to vape after that point because it became something of a hobby; like hookah smoking.
 
2013-07-28 11:31:39 AM  
My company recently went with a no smoking policy. As in zero tolerance, E-cigs included. They were letting people smoke the e-cigs inside prior to the no smoking policy. Now there is no smoking on the property, period.

This of course drives the smokers nuts. They planned on getting in their cars and driving around the block on breaks and at lunch. Much to their chagrin, the company also instituted two additional policies. No leaving the property. They can get away with this because they started paying us for our lunch break, so no leaving the property when you are on the clock. The other policy is no going outside without managerial permission. You can go get something from your car, but the supervisor has to OK it and will watch you.

So now they hide their E-cigs and sneak around the plant, smoking behind various equipment. It's funny to watch
 
2013-07-28 11:32:22 AM  

Infernalist: Endive Wombat: Now someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that while nicotine is itself addictive, there was basically no conclusive evidence between pure nicotine usage and cancer.

No, you're right.  It's the other crap in cigs that cause the cancer, not the nicotine itself.


That was my impression to.  If I can't smell what you are doing, it doesn't cause me cancer and won't get me hooked on nicotine then I don't care if you do it.  I've only ever hated the smell.  It would be nice not to have to ford my way through huddled masses of smokers out front of my building in the middle of winter.
 
2013-07-28 11:33:20 AM  

AirForceVet: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.

When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.


Dude, you need to relax.  Have a smoke or something.
 
2013-07-28 11:33:51 AM  

Mnemia: The one issue I might have with these things is that they obviously are still addictive, since they deliver nicotine. So the question is whether they are actually going to be effective long term in helping people quit. It seems to me that as long as the person is addicted to nicotine, and to the ritual of smoking, there is a strong potential that they will revert to smoking.


Even people who have quit present a danger of lapsing back into smoking. That never goes away.

If the desire to stop damaging one's body can be imprinted in a smoker, and a safe way to get the hit is provided, that's probably the best way to stop a health-conscious person from lapsing back into smoking. Even if they quit entirely, if they do lapse, they can lapse onto a safe nicotine delivery system.
 
2013-07-28 11:34:30 AM  

billy_chuck: I'm anxiously awaiting the development of eFood and eBooze.


F-that.. where I my e-sex ...? I want my custom made fem-bot...!
 
2013-07-28 11:35:03 AM  

Infernalist: Saberus Terras: Just watch, the tobacco lobbyists will feed your politicians rigged studies showing how e-cigs are dangerous to their users and somehow to bystanders, then blam, even stricter regulations on e-cigs than ol' tabacco.

And good luck trying to vap anywhere that's non-smoking.  Restauranteurs, receptionists, office managers... not a single one of them will care, it looks like a cig, so it's a cig.  Even if they did, they know that some dipshiat patron won't know the difference and will raise unholy hell over it, so they won't let you.

From personal experience, most e-cig users use the same propriety and protocol that goes along with cigs.  You don't do it in a non-smoker's home, you don't do it in a public place and you don't do it in a place labeled as 'non-smoking.'  Since they're all ex-smokers, it's not like it's a great change in their behavior at all.  I've never seen a e-cig user get upset about not being able to use a vape in a place where they've never been able to smoke before.


My wife's first e-cig was after I got out of the hospital from my lung surgery (walking pneumonia turned pleural effusion, all the doctors agreed it had nothing to do with second-hand smoke).

Plastered all over the package was the promise that you could vap anywhere, anytime, since it's not a cigarette.  We went to a restaurant for our anniversary and she brought it with her, and she had it out when our waitress came to get drink orders, waitress said there was no smoking allowed, wife told her it wasn't smoke, just water vapor.  Waitress talks to manager, manager comes out with "I don't care if it farts gold dust, you will not smoke that in here."

She tried, but after that, just stuck to no-smoking signs also meaning "We're dipshiats who can't tell the difference."
 
2013-07-28 11:36:01 AM  

AirForceVet: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.

When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.


You're confusing vapor with smoke. As I already mentioned: vapor farking dissipates very rapidly, unlike smoke. I vape in the house all the time, and my two nonsmoking roomates love the fact that it doesn't affect them at all.
 
2013-07-28 11:36:51 AM  

LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.


Hell, I'm of the opinion that the VA should hand these out to all the smokers in the hospitals. They don't have to go outside in the snow to smoke unless they want to, the VA doesn't have to spend money maintaining/warming/heating a smoking shelter in the middle of Milwaukee winters, and hopefully, the health effects aren't as bad. Moreover, the smells are gone (the elevators and rooms sometimes smell from patients getting into them right after they smoke) and I don't have to nearly puke when I have to intubate a smoker, or deal with their crappy lung function and poor ventilation during wake ups and anesthesia inductions.

Hopefully, there will be less litter too, though I don't know how the e-cigs are packaged.

I'm of the opinion that smokers of standard cigarettes should in fact be stigmatized. They stink up building entrances and elevators when they come back from their smoke breaks and the litter--holy fark, they are a filthy group with respect to litter. I took a few pictures trash cans around the hospital last spring as the snow was melting and uncovering all the cigarettes that had been thrown in the snow within 3 feet of a trash can over the course of the winter. Why? The snow banks are waist high, you can put your cig out in the snow, reach over and throw it away. But no, even if you put a trash can or an ashtray in a spot where people congregate to smoke (at the entrance of every building, so we have to walk through their stink) they throw their shiat on the ground.

And of course, every single smoker I met and every single smoker on fark says they don't litter. They have a bottle with water in their car and put their cig out on that, they never throw it out the window. They use ashtrays or put out a cig with their foot, pick it up and throw it in the trash, they never litter on the sidewalk or on the building entrance. Every single smoker swears they don't litter, but yet I can't remember the last time I saw somebody NOT flick a cig on the ground, nor can I remember the last time I saw somebody put out a cig on the ground and then throw it in the trash. Hell, I've seen somebody flick a cig on the ground in front of a gas pump at a gas station in the middle of Oklahoma on a 100 degree day.

Yeah, traditional cig smokers need to be stigmatized. I've yet to see an e-cig user throw their whatever that thing is on the ground, nor have I ever been bothered by their smoke smell outside the building. So yeah, I'm way in favor of e-cigs.
 
2013-07-28 11:36:57 AM  

DoughyGuy: I guess in the grand scheme of things I'm better off.


Yes, you're better off. My Dad's wife, who hadn't smoked in 10 years, started using eCigs after he father died unexpectedly. She's back to a pack a day of the real thing now and is just kicking herself over it.
 
2013-07-28 11:37:12 AM  

Saberus Terras: Infernalist: Saberus Terras: Just watch, the tobacco lobbyists will feed your politicians rigged studies showing how e-cigs are dangerous to their users and somehow to bystanders, then blam, even stricter regulations on e-cigs than ol' tabacco.

And good luck trying to vap anywhere that's non-smoking.  Restauranteurs, receptionists, office managers... not a single one of them will care, it looks like a cig, so it's a cig.  Even if they did, they know that some dipshiat patron won't know the difference and will raise unholy hell over it, so they won't let you.

From personal experience, most e-cig users use the same propriety and protocol that goes along with cigs.  You don't do it in a non-smoker's home, you don't do it in a public place and you don't do it in a place labeled as 'non-smoking.'  Since they're all ex-smokers, it's not like it's a great change in their behavior at all.  I've never seen a e-cig user get upset about not being able to use a vape in a place where they've never been able to smoke before.

My wife's first e-cig was after I got out of the hospital from my lung surgery (walking pneumonia turned pleural effusion, all the doctors agreed it had nothing to do with second-hand smoke).

Plastered all over the package was the promise that you could vap anywhere, anytime, since it's not a cigarette.  We went to a restaurant for our anniversary and she brought it with her, and she had it out when our waitress came to get drink orders, waitress said there was no smoking allowed, wife told her it wasn't smoke, just water vapor.  Waitress talks to manager, manager comes out with "I don't care if it farts gold dust, you will not smoke that in here."

She tried, but after that, just stuck to no-smoking signs also meaning "We're dipshiats who can't tell the difference."


Yeah, you can't go against cultural expectations like that.  Just keep doing what you've been doing for the last...however long she's been smoking.  Don't use them in public places or in non-smoking establishments.  Feel free to 'ask' the manager if it means that much to you, but don't expect people to be able to tell the difference between cigs and e-cigs.
 
2013-07-28 11:37:50 AM  
20+ years smoker.  Only thing EVER that has helped me quit.  Down to lowest nicotine, next step is no nicotine.  They only have a faint scent of whatever flavor you choose.

Anti-smokers are as awful as anti-abortion Christians.

My Vea and a cuppa coffee.
imageshack.us
 
2013-07-28 11:38:27 AM  

AirForceVet: DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.


Are you this upset about perfume, potpourri, scented candles, air freshener, surface cleaners, microwaved popcorn etc?  Unless you are, you really have no business whining.
 
2013-07-28 11:38:54 AM  
Personally, I love the idea. Maybe they're not "safe," necessarily, but classical cigarettes are pretty farking damaging. It would be tough for e-cigs to be worse. Most likely, they're less harmful.

/Non-smoker. Non-scientist.
 
2013-07-28 11:39:11 AM  

JungleBoogie: • A thorough evaluation of the health effects is warranted.

• It is almost certainly less damaging than tobacco smoke.

• Tobacco companies will lobby ferociously against this product if it looks to cut into their profits.

• On the other hand, folks should stop farking their lungs up. Switch to nicotine gum or some such IMO.


Tobacco companies are jumping on the e cig bandwagon because they are losing smokers to the devices.  Marlboro will be releasing one soon.  So the future of actual cigarettes is already in jeopardy.
 
2013-07-28 11:39:19 AM  

anfrind: Endive Wombat: vegas_greaser: My job just announced that insurance is going up for tobacco users next year by $150 a month and gave all tobacco users 4 days to quit, so a bunch of people started bringing E-Cigs in and selling them to other employees. Then the company also announced that E-Cigs were also covered under the new rules, and that anyone using an E-Cig would also pay $150 more per month for insurance.
Been a grumpy few weeks at the office.

Are they out of their farking minds?  4 days to quit?  4 days?  I mean, I could understand 30-90 days...but 4 days?  4 days to quit using what is probably the most addictive substance most people will encounter in their life.  I am going to guess that zero support was offered here too.

That is really unacceptable.

That.  I've watched my older brother try and fail to quit smoking several times.  I'm pretty sure that nobody could possibly quit in just four days.

/only thing worse was watching my mom try and fail to quit drinking coffee
//at least coffee and tea don't have carcinogens


I used to smoke almost 2 packs a day.  Quitting was somewhat of a (albeit quick) evolutionary process for me.  What I mean by that is I chopped down to a full pack, to a 1/2 pack, then done...cold turkey.  I did this over the course of about a week, maybe 10 days.

It has been 4 years since I have had a smoke.

But...It took about 2 or so months to wind down my addiction, what I mean is that I had to get myself mentally prepared for it.  I cannot fathom how people go from burning a pack or more to outright quitting.

While I agree smoking is very nasty, and horrible to ones health, asking ones employees to just stop in such a short time span is pretty masochistic in my opinion.
 
2013-07-28 11:39:35 AM  

Carth: e-cigarettes are already banned in a good number restaurants around me and all car rental/non smoking hotel rooms.

It is time smokers realize it has never been about your health it is about punishing you for your filthy habit. If you want to smoke you can do it outside in the rain 30 feet from the nearest door.


Except that smoking eCigs has no smell, no residue, and leaves no filth like second-hand smoke.

Nice troll attempt.
 
2013-07-28 11:40:40 AM  
Knock yourselves out.  There have been dumber looking fashion fads, but I can't think of any at the moment.
 
2013-07-28 11:42:09 AM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Knock yourselves out.  There have been dumber looking fashion fads, but I can't think of any at the moment.


Aesthetics are nothing compared to functionality; I've felt better in the last two years than I have in a whole decade, thanks to the switch.
 
2013-07-28 11:42:20 AM  

zabadu: JungleBoogie: • A thorough evaluation of the health effects is warranted.

• It is almost certainly less damaging than tobacco smoke.

• Tobacco companies will lobby ferociously against this product if it looks to cut into their profits.

• On the other hand, folks should stop farking their lungs up. Switch to nicotine gum or some such IMO.

Tobacco companies are jumping on the e cig bandwagon because they are losing smokers to the devices.  Marlboro will be releasing one soon.  So the future of actual cigarettes is already in jeopardy.


That is the one good thing about corporations: They'll abandon a filthy product like cigs if they can make money off of a better product.

Of course, it's sad that I'm pleased that our real life corporations don't function like a bunch of Captain Planet cartoon villains.
 
2013-07-28 11:43:38 AM  
I wonder what the world would be like if all the people biatching about ecigs put their energy into doing something about diesel soot.
 
2013-07-28 11:44:21 AM  
Nut up and quit, f*ckers.  It's only hard for the first few days.
 
2013-07-28 11:45:05 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Personally, I love the idea. Maybe they're not "safe," necessarily, but classical cigarettes are pretty farking damaging. It would be tough for e-cigs to be worse. Most likely, they're less harmful.

/Non-smoker. Non-scientist.


The nicotine itself has been shown to have health benefits in the form of keeping dementia and Alzheimers at lower risks of occurrence.  As long as the flavorings aren't toxic when inhaled (and most are already fda approved for ingestion), the e-cigs might actually be beneficial.
 
2013-07-28 11:46:06 AM  

Molavian: Nut up and quit, f*ckers.  It's only hard for the first few days.


There's a lot of phallic symbolism in this lil troll post.  Makes me wonder about you, son.
 
2013-07-28 11:47:15 AM  

Infernalist: gfid: buzzcut73: I've been on e-cigs for a year and a half now.  I tried one Marlboro light when I was drinking with some friends a couple of months back, I -hated- it.

I've used e-cigs for over a year.  I have a few no-name brand cigs  from a marketing experiment left over and I farking love those things.  e-cigs suck.  Still, not surprised that you didn't like Marlboro Lights - worst cigarette ever.

Yeah, the no-name cigarettes are no-name.  They mailed them to me and they came in a plain white box with no label.  I'm going to read the rest of this thread and then step outside to smoke one of them and I'm sure I'll love it.

Darwinism at its finest.


Meh - I don't think one more cigarette will kill me.  I used to smoke 2 packs a day and I'm not dead yet.  It takes a long time and even then most smokers don't die from cigarette-related problems.

I might not even smoke that real cigarette.  I'm actually getting hungry now.  I'll probably eat something horribly unhealthy while I puff on my e-cig which probably contains the worst carcinogens man has yet to identify.
 
2013-07-28 11:47:22 AM  

Carth: e-cigarettes are already banned in a good number restaurants around me and all car rental/non smoking hotel rooms.

It is time smokers realize it has never been about your health it is about punishing you for your filthy habit. If you want to smoke you can do it outside in the rain 30 feet from the nearest door.


I wonder if the issue with some restaurant is more a matter of courtesy than anything else. What I mean is, it's not generally socially acceptable to use a toothpick at the table in a restaurant while people around you are eating. Is the e-cig that much different otherwise?

I'm frankly not against people using e-cigs around me as long as the vapor isn't harmful to me and as long as there is no smell. Especially if it helps them quit real cigarettes altogether. Perhaps with that goal in mind, we as a society should give extra leeway to e-cigs that we don't afford to others. Perhaps we can allow them to smoke them in airplanes (again, assuming the vapor is not harmful) and in restaurants to give people an incentive to switch to e-cigs and be able to get their fix in situations where they would have otherwise had to either wait or go outside in the cold/rain/heat/sun etc.
 
2013-07-28 11:47:45 AM  
Anyone who wants to ban these isn't a health nut.  They're a moran.

This removes all negative effects of smoking on others, while being vastly less bad for actual smokers.

It's like banning a form of alcohol that prevents drunk driving.
 
2013-07-28 11:48:48 AM  

Molavian: Nut up and quit, f*ckers.  It's only hard for the first few days.


Sorry, not everyone has the mental fortitude of a concrete wall; sue us.
 
2013-07-28 11:48:49 AM  

gfid: Infernalist: gfid: buzzcut73: I've been on e-cigs for a year and a half now.  I tried one Marlboro light when I was drinking with some friends a couple of months back, I -hated- it.

I've used e-cigs for over a year.  I have a few no-name brand cigs  from a marketing experiment left over and I farking love those things.  e-cigs suck.  Still, not surprised that you didn't like Marlboro Lights - worst cigarette ever.

Yeah, the no-name cigarettes are no-name.  They mailed them to me and they came in a plain white box with no label.  I'm going to read the rest of this thread and then step outside to smoke one of them and I'm sure I'll love it.

Darwinism at its finest.

Meh - I don't think one more cigarette will kill me.  I used to smoke 2 packs a day and I'm not dead yet.  It takes a long time and even then most smokers don't die from cigarette-related problems.

I might not even smoke that real cigarette.  I'm actually getting hungry now.  I'll probably eat something horribly unhealthy while I puff on my e-cig which probably contains the worst carcinogens man has yet to identify.


Go check your mail.  Maybe someone sent you some completely unlabeled food for you to eat.
 
2013-07-28 11:48:52 AM  
I haven't touched a real cig in two years. I still have an e-cig for the previously mentioned illegal substances and the occasional nicotine free tobacco-flavored cartridges. (Really, really occasionally - gone through 3 cartridges in 4 months). I've been able to convince at least 6 people to permanently quit real cigs including my friend's 70 year old mom (2 packs a day for 50 years). And if you're discreet, nobody will hassle you anywhere. Don't buy one that looks and glows like a real cigarette.

And the idiot(s) that say they are banned everywhere? Most airlines yes. They get nervous when they see anything smoke-like in the cabin. I was never asked or questioned by any hotel, bar, or restaurant. It's completely odor free unless you're using a really cheap model (looking at you, N-Joy). The smell of vaped hash oil hangs around for about 5 seconds.

/not a paid shill
 
2013-07-28 11:48:56 AM  

alexjoss: I went from smoking 1 to 1 1/2 packs a day to under 5 a day using my new Vaping kit--which costs 50 bucks.   Monthly maintenance and buying more nicotine costs about 20 a month--a savings of $150 per month!  I can sneak a vape anywhere when it's absolutely necessary.  I flew a few weeks ago and Southwest airlines bans their use--I think I could have sneaked one in the bathroom but didn't want to risk the whole federal "interfering with a flight crew" charge, so I didn't. But it worked in the airport restrooms when I was stranded for 5 hours in freaking Newark!


Oh, this. I had a 2 hour layover at O'Hare turn into 28 hours back in May. Having the e-cig and USB charger in my backpack (along with my laptop) made it slightly less miserable, because I didn't have to worry about going in and out through security if I needed a little nicotine. I just cupped the thing in my hand and took a hit somewhere relatively quiet. Again, I'm so glad to be off of regular cigarettes for a lot of reasons, and airports are one of them. I just don't make it really obvious, and if approached and told I should do that, a polite "Oh, sorry. Didn't know they weren't allowed" usually suffices.
 
2013-07-28 11:51:35 AM  

Infernalist: gfid: Infernalist: gfid: buzzcut73: I've been on e-cigs for a year and a half now.  I tried one Marlboro light when I was drinking with some friends a couple of months back, I -hated- it.

I've used e-cigs for over a year.  I have a few no-name brand cigs  from a marketing experiment left over and I farking love those things.  e-cigs suck.  Still, not surprised that you didn't like Marlboro Lights - worst cigarette ever.

Yeah, the no-name cigarettes are no-name.  They mailed them to me and they came in a plain white box with no label.  I'm going to read the rest of this thread and then step outside to smoke one of them and I'm sure I'll love it.

Darwinism at its finest.

Meh - I don't think one more cigarette will kill me.  I used to smoke 2 packs a day and I'm not dead yet.  It takes a long time and even then most smokers don't die from cigarette-related problems.

I might not even smoke that real cigarette.  I'm actually getting hungry now.  I'll probably eat something horribly unhealthy while I puff on my e-cig which probably contains the worst carcinogens man has yet to identify.

Go check your mail.  Maybe someone sent you some completely unlabeled food for you to eat.


Reputable brands list their ingredients. Many people also mix their own.
 
2013-07-28 11:51:44 AM  

Infernalist: fnordest: In regard to the ones who use e-cigs to quit: I heard in the past that people quitting would carry an unlit cigarette because it was that was the habit beyond the addiction to the nicotine.

E-cigs would satisfy that habit, BUT what happens when you quit the e-cigs?

In most cases, you have two different kinds of e-cig users:  People who are trying to quit and people who are trying to not die from smoking.


Good point

The ones that are trying to quit quickly learn that you can moderate the amount of nicotine that you take in with e-cigs, until they reach the point where they can wean themselves off the e-cigs, too.    The ones that are trying to stay alive and still get their nicotine fix don't care and will 'smoke' e-cigs until they die.


Where does losing the habit of the "ritual" come into play for the quitters?
 
2013-07-28 11:52:19 AM  
Based on the troll comments in this thread, I've decided I'm going to become a militant anti-anti-perspirant and anti-cologne/perfume nutter.  I'm so flunking tired of smelling that toxic array of carcinogenic and endocrine disrupting chemical vapor.  I was in the office the other day, and one of my co-workers walked by and my throat started hurting, I could barely breath and I started getting physically nauseated by the cocktail of death she was sporting.  Seriously, if you want to use perfume and deodorant, do it outside, away from buildings.
 
2013-07-28 11:53:07 AM  
So, all the non-smoker in the thread...how much do you weigh?
 
2013-07-28 11:54:43 AM  

fnordest: Infernalist: fnordest: In regard to the ones who use e-cigs to quit: I heard in the past that people quitting would carry an unlit cigarette because it was that was the habit beyond the addiction to the nicotine.

E-cigs would satisfy that habit, BUT what happens when you quit the e-cigs?

In most cases, you have two different kinds of e-cig users:  People who are trying to quit and people who are trying to not die from smoking.

Good point

The ones that are trying to quit quickly learn that you can moderate the amount of nicotine that you take in with e-cigs, until they reach the point where they can wean themselves off the e-cigs, too.    The ones that are trying to stay alive and still get their nicotine fix don't care and will 'smoke' e-cigs until they die.


Where does losing the habit of the "ritual" come into play for the quitters?


They tend to keep the e-cigs around and near-hand out of habit, but the desire isn't there.  My friend has taken to making a game out of how long she can go without smoking, which is 'insane' for a smoker's mindset.  She still keeps it within reach, if only to have something in her hands when she talks.

So, I'm guessing the 'ritual' never really dies, just the original purpose for it dies.
 
2013-07-28 11:55:10 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Infernalist: gfid: Infernalist: gfid: buzzcut73: I've been on e-cigs for a year and a half now.  I tried one Marlboro light when I was drinking with some friends a couple of months back, I -hated- it.

I've used e-cigs for over a year.  I have a few no-name brand cigs  from a marketing experiment left over and I farking love those things.  e-cigs suck.  Still, not surprised that you didn't like Marlboro Lights - worst cigarette ever.

Yeah, the no-name cigarettes are no-name.  They mailed them to me and they came in a plain white box with no label.  I'm going to read the rest of this thread and then step outside to smoke one of them and I'm sure I'll love it.

Darwinism at its finest.

Meh - I don't think one more cigarette will kill me.  I used to smoke 2 packs a day and I'm not dead yet.  It takes a long time and even then most smokers don't die from cigarette-related problems.

I might not even smoke that real cigarette.  I'm actually getting hungry now.  I'll probably eat something horribly unhealthy while I puff on my e-cig which probably contains the worst carcinogens man has yet to identify.

Go check your mail.  Maybe someone sent you some completely unlabeled food for you to eat.

Reputable brands list their ingredients. Many people also mix their own.


Johnson Creek Smoke Juice lists all the ingredients.  All of them.
 
2013-07-28 11:55:22 AM  
I have been smoke free for almost 3 months tanks to my PV and quality US made juice, after 17 years of smoking. Started at 36mg nicotine and am down to 10mg. Haven't had a single craving since day 2, and I am not chain-vaping all day either. It's quite remarkable how well this works if you have the right gear and juice.
 
2013-07-28 11:55:28 AM  
As long as it doesn't stank up the place I don't care.  We have a few smokers using them in the office, and it's no big deal.
 
2013-07-28 11:56:01 AM  
MrHappyRotter

Based on the troll comments in this thread, I've decided I'm going to become a militant anti-anti-perspirant and anti-cologne/perfume nutter. I'm so flunking tired of smelling that toxic array of carcinogenic and endocrine disrupting chemical vapor. I was in the office the other day, and one of my co-workers walked by and my throat started hurting, I could barely breath and I started getting physically nauseated by the cocktail of death she was sporting. Seriously, if you want to use perfume and deodorant, do it outside, away from buildings.

oh yeah, those dipshiats
 
2013-07-28 11:56:16 AM  
Whatever happened to nicotine gum? I recall that being more expensive than it was worth but I liked to chew it while taking a stressful exam in college.... 486 years ago.
 
2013-07-28 11:56:19 AM  

AirForceVet: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.

When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.


Eat a Snickers. You're not yourself when you're hungry.
 
2013-07-28 11:56:32 AM  
The only problem I can think of is that the glycerol that's used in the liquid inserts can aggravate users' mucous membranes.  And before you say, "don't regular cigarettes do that, too?", the answer is yes, but I've had a few patients that switched to e-cigs complain that they get a burning sensation in their esophagus that they didn't get with regular cigs, that's very likely caused by the vaporized glycerol.

That being said, if these really only affect the individual using it, and has no effect on people around them, then they are grown-ass adults, and they can make their own decisions about that.
 
2013-07-28 11:56:40 AM  

Saberus Terras: Plastered all over the package was the promise that you could vap anywhere, anytime, since it's not a cigarette.  We went to a restaurant for our anniversary and she brought it with her, and she had it out when our waitress came to get drink orders, waitress said there was no smoking allowed, wife told her it wasn't smoke, just water vapor.  Waitress talks to manager, manager comes out with "I don't care if it farts gold dust, you will not smoke that in here."


I have no problem with that.  Their restaurant, their rules.  And just because some company puts something on their product doesn't mean it carries the weight of law.

This is what really gets me about the e-cig fanatics.  "Oh, it's just water vapor".  Oh really?  Then why is it delivering nicotine too?  And how do you know it's not also delivering a thousand other chemicals directly to your lungs?

"Well, the company who makes them said so!"
 
2013-07-28 11:58:33 AM  

Pesky_Humans: I have been smoke free for almost 3 months tanks to my PV and quality US made juice, after 17 years of smoking. Started at 36mg nicotine and am down to 10mg. Haven't had a single craving since day 2, and I am not chain-vaping all day either. It's quite remarkable how well this works if you have the right gear and juice.


Congrats, man! Stick with it; before you know it, you'll find 36mg to be too strong, lower the dose, and repeat. I'm two years "analogue" free, started at 36 and 24mg juices, and am at 8mg now.

//Which PV did you buy?
 
2013-07-28 11:58:34 AM  
Lot of angry, self-righteous farkers in here.  Someone else posted that this is about punishing smokers, and after this thread, I am inclined to agree.

e-cigs are saving my life currently.  I'm doing a combination of wellbutrin and e-cigarettes.  I've switched over to cartridges that have no nicotine in them.  I've not had a cigarette in a month.  I smoked Camel Wides a pack a day for almost 17 years.  I'm never going back.  I feel better than I've felt in a long time.  My energy levels are up, I'm thinking clearer, and I'm not harming myself or anyone else for the first time in a while.

So please, with all due respect, back the fark off.
 
2013-07-28 11:59:47 AM  

gfid: Saberus Terras: Plastered all over the package was the promise that you could vap anywhere, anytime, since it's not a cigarette.  We went to a restaurant for our anniversary and she brought it with her, and she had it out when our waitress came to get drink orders, waitress said there was no smoking allowed, wife told her it wasn't smoke, just water vapor.  Waitress talks to manager, manager comes out with "I don't care if it farts gold dust, you will not smoke that in here."

I have no problem with that.  Their restaurant, their rules.  And just because some company puts something on their product doesn't mean it carries the weight of law.

This is what really gets me about the e-cig fanatics.  "Oh, it's just water vapor".  Oh really?  Then why is it delivering nicotine too?  And how do you know it's not also delivering a thousand other chemicals directly to your lungs?

"Well, the company who makes them said so!"


Because a lot of people out there aren't farking retarded and understand how to take samples of something and learn what exactly is in it.
 
2013-07-28 11:59:57 AM  

fnordest: Where does losing the habit of the "ritual" come into play for the quitters?


Once you drop your nicotine level to zero, your brain will start losing the connection between the act of smoking and behavior reinforcing chemical release.  You shouldn't have to quit at that point, you'll just start forgetting to smoke.
 
2013-07-28 12:00:03 PM  

Shadowknight: My dad and her husband of 33 years just died two months ago from some mystery infection we still haven't figured out, so we're not really pushing the "quitting smoking" thing real hard right now.  When the summer is up, we'll have that talk,  but for now we don't want to add any extra stress to her.


"I cant deal with the stress of quitting right now" is the classic smoker's crutch.  My mom smoked a pack a day for 35 years and has since quit to the point of having a puff or two a day on the E-cig.  That was always the excuse, work, bills, life, family, etc.

Those with an addiction will find any excuse in the book not to quit.  Those who are ready to quit will let nothing get in their way of doing so.
 
2013-07-28 12:00:48 PM  

Jesus Farking Christ: Lot of angry, self-righteous farkers in here.  Someone else posted that this is about punishing smokers, and after this thread, I am inclined to agree.

e-cigs are saving my life currently.  I'm doing a combination of wellbutrin and e-cigarettes.  I've switched over to cartridges that have no nicotine in them.  I've not had a cigarette in a month.  I smoked Camel Wides a pack a day for almost 17 years.  I'm never going back.  I feel better than I've felt in a long time.  My energy levels are up, I'm thinking clearer, and I'm not harming myself or anyone else for the first time in a while.

So please, with all due respect, back the fark off.


Non-smoker here.  Congrats and well done.  Don't let the retards and trolls mess with your head.
 
2013-07-28 12:00:53 PM  
I smoked for almost 20 years, and the only thing that has worked so far is the patch and a new pair of actual running shoes. Doing my first 5k in November for a lung cancer charity for some karma points.
 
2013-07-28 12:02:20 PM  

Jesus Farking Christ: Lot of angry, self-righteous farkers in here.  Someone else posted that this is about punishing smokers, and after this thread, I am inclined to agree.

e-cigs are saving my life currently.  I'm doing a combination of wellbutrin and e-cigarettes.  I've switched over to cartridges that have no nicotine in them.  I've not had a cigarette in a month.  I smoked Camel Wides a pack a day for almost 17 years.  I'm never going back.  I feel better than I've felt in a long time.  My energy levels are up, I'm thinking clearer, and I'm not harming myself or anyone else for the first time in a while.

So please, with all due respect, back the fark off.


That's all it's ever been about...punishing smokers.

E cigs leave no butts, have no smoke, vapor is negligible to those around.  All the things you guys complain about.  But you're so self righteous that you can't see this is a good thing.
 
2013-07-28 12:02:40 PM  

Zugswang: The only problem I can think of is that the glycerol that's used in the liquid inserts can aggravate users' mucous membranes.  And before you say, "don't regular cigarettes do that, too?", the answer is yes, but I've had a few patients that switched to e-cigs complain that they get a burning sensation in their esophagus that they didn't get with regular cigs, that's very likely caused by the vaporized glycerol.

That being said, if these really only affect the individual using it, and has no effect on people around them, then they are grown-ass adults, and they can make their own decisions about that.


The solution is simple: you can buy juices that have only propylene glycol (PG), or vegetable glycerin (vg/glycerol), or have differing ratios of the two. In my experience, PG only is the way to go, others' mileage may vary; the opposite can be true with anyone.
 
2013-07-28 12:02:40 PM  

gfid: Infernalist: gfid: buzzcut73: I've been on e-cigs for a year and a half now.  I tried one Marlboro light when I was drinking with some friends a couple of months back, I -hated- it.

I've used e-cigs for over a year.  I have a few no-name brand cigs  from a marketing experiment left over and I farking love those things.  e-cigs suck.  Still, not surprised that you didn't like Marlboro Lights - worst cigarette ever.

Yeah, the no-name cigarettes are no-name.  They mailed them to me and they came in a plain white box with no label.  I'm going to read the rest of this thread and then step outside to smoke one of them and I'm sure I'll love it.

Darwinism at its finest.

Meh - I don't think one more cigarette will kill me.  I used to smoke 2 packs a day and I'm not dead yet.  It takes a long time and even then most smokers don't die from cigarette-related problems.

I might not even smoke that real cigarette.  I'm actually getting hungry now.  I'll probably eat something horribly unhealthy while I puff on my e-cig which probably contains the worst carcinogens man has yet to identify.


I think you're under the impression that only emphysema/COPD and lung cancer are cig related. Cardiovascular disease and peripheral vascular disease are also strongly related to not only smoking but current smoking history. It is extremely rare for a patient to come to the OR for a fem-pop bypass (for peripheral vascular disease) and not have them be a smoker. Probably about 75% of people who come in for non valvular heart operations are also smokers. Beyond that, their rate of perioperative complications for other types of surgeries is incredibly high and ranges from poor wound healing to increase infection to inability to extubate after surgery due to poor lung function.

I'm not mentioning the cancers because yes, they are relatively rare. So yes, even if you have 100x the chance of getting this or that cancer, the chances are still fairly low that you'll get something to begin with. That being said, while I have seen a few lung cancers in non-smokers, I don't think I've ever seen a bladder cancer in a non-smoker in my six years of clinical experience so far.

I don't wish smokers badly. I do feel traditional cig smokers should be stigmatized because their habits are inconsiderate of others as well as harmful to themselves. But stigmatized to me is just making it more uncomfortable for you to smoke and informing kids of what a filthy habit you have. I don't propose being rude, crass, or denying you care. It pains me to see people say "well, I'm going to die of something" and not consider that this "something" would otherwise have killed you ten or fifteen years later in your sleep after five months of NOT being in the hospital. One of the reasons why I decided not to do an ICU fellowship after finishing my anesthesiology training was because I hate to see people die slowly. And you see that most often in people with bad emphysema whether it's their primary reason for admission, or if it's a co-morbidity and they were in the ICU after a heart operation or a vascular procedure. It's absolutely awful, and I would not wish that on anybody, even a sarcastic farker like you.
 
2013-07-28 12:02:59 PM  
Jesus Farking Christ: Joe Camel here, backing the fark off. Congrats in all sincerity. Hope you are feeling better (Santana).
 
2013-07-28 12:03:22 PM  

Infernalist: AirForceVet: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.

When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.

Dude, you need to relax.  Have a smoke or something.


But not an e-cig.  That nicotine-laced vapor will kill your entire family.
 
2013-07-28 12:05:27 PM  

RickN99: Infernalist: AirForceVet: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.

When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.

Dude, you need to relax.  Have a smoke or something.

But not an e-cig.  That nicotine-laced vapor will kill your entire family.


No shiat, right?

It's sad that I can't tell the pretend-retards from the actual retards on this site anymore.
 
2013-07-28 12:06:54 PM  

RickN99: Infernalist: AirForceVet: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.

When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.

Dude, you need to relax.  Have a smoke or something.

But not an e-cig.  That nicotine-laced vapor will kill your entire family.


Aw, go easy on him. He walked away from the military with bad a case of ALL CAPS RAGE. In all seriousness, it's baffling how people can be so hateful and arrogant while wallowing in ignorance.
 
2013-07-28 12:07:21 PM  

Disgruntled Goat: I couldn't care less what smokers do to their own bodies. It's the smoke in the room, the stench permeating everything and the fact that smokers think it's okay to toss their used butts anywhere they please that pisses me off.


Yep, this ^^^
 
2013-07-28 12:08:04 PM  

RickN99: Infernalist: AirForceVet: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.

When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.

Dude, you need to relax.  Have a smoke or something.

But not an e-cig.  That nicotine-laced vapor will kill your entire family.


You're an idiot.
 
2013-07-28 12:09:30 PM  
FuzedBox

Aw, go easy on him. He walked away from the military with bad a case of ALL CAPS RAGE. In all seriousness, it's baffling how people can be so hateful and arrogant while wallowing in ignorance.

All those years of breathing the vapor from jet fuel?
 
2013-07-28 12:09:36 PM  

zabadu: RickN99: Infernalist: AirForceVet: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.

When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.

Dude, you need to relax.  Have a smoke or something.

But not an e-cig.  That nicotine-laced vapor will kill your entire family.

You're an idiot.


Did you think he was being serious?
 
2013-07-28 12:10:48 PM  

SuperTramp: FuzedBox

Aw, go easy on him. He walked away from the military with bad a case of ALL CAPS RAGE. In all seriousness, it's baffling how people can be so hateful and arrogant while wallowing in ignorance.

All those years of breathing the vapor from jet fuel?


Having worked some tarmacs myself, that shiat's no joke.
 
2013-07-28 12:11:00 PM  

Infernalist: zabadu: RickN99: Infernalist: AirForceVet: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.

When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.

Dude, you need to relax.  Have a smoke or something.

But not an e-cig.  That nicotine-laced vapor will kill your entire family.

You're an idiot.

Did you think he was being serious?


It's hard to tell the retards from the idiots.
 
2013-07-28 12:11:46 PM  

FuzedBox: the liquid only contains FDA approved falvoring


Nope

I can tell you why they decided to use DEG, too - it acts as a solvent. Massengill discovered that DEG is great for making liquid solutions of Sulfanilamide, which would be great, if DEG didn't cause kidney failure.

I bet that's exactly why the e-cigarette manufacturer used it - they wanted a specific flavor they couldn't suspend in other solutions and figured that since they were unregulated, no one would know.

I have no problem with e-cigs, but the people who make just about any product are NOT your friend and WILL get away with what they can.
 
2013-07-28 12:12:43 PM  

Infernalist: Go check your mail.  Maybe someone sent you some completely unlabeled food for you to eat.


Don't be an idiot.  Cigarettes don't have ingredient labels.  "E-liquid" doesn't either.

When I said it was unlabeled, obviously I meant it was not marked as a specific brand.

As I've pointed out already in this thread one problem with e-cigs is that we don't know what's in the e-liquid and it mostly comes from China - a country where mothers are desperate to import baby formula from other countries because they don't trust their own factories to provide a safe product.

I'm one of the few people here saying that e-cigs might not be safe.  OTOH, I'm not going to get all militant about that and the food I eat.

/cooking up some grub now.  It's labeled, but I didn't look at the label.  It probably has a boatload of sodium in it.  I'm going to die eventually, but I won't die today
 
2013-07-28 12:13:46 PM  

zabadu: Infernalist: zabadu: RickN99: Infernalist: AirForceVet: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.

When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.

Dude, you need to relax.  Have a smoke or something.

But not an e-cig.  That nicotine-laced vapor will kill your entire family.

You're an idiot.

Did you think he was being serious?

It's hard to tell the retards from the idiots.


Harder for some than for others, apparently.  Unless, of course, you sincerely thought he was accusing e-cigs of being family killing devices.

Nevermind, don't answer that.  I'm dangerously close to breaking my 'don't give a fark.'
 
2013-07-28 12:14:32 PM  

gfid: Infernalist: Go check your mail.  Maybe someone sent you some completely unlabeled food for you to eat.

Don't be an idiot.  Cigarettes don't have ingredient labels.  "E-liquid" doesn't either.

When I said it was unlabeled, obviously I meant it was not marked as a specific brand.

As I've pointed out already in this thread one problem with e-cigs is that we don't know what's in the e-liquid and it mostly comes from China - a country where mothers are desperate to import baby formula from other countries because they don't trust their own factories to provide a safe product.

I'm one of the few people here saying that e-cigs might not be safe.  OTOH, I'm not going to get all militant about that and the food I eat.

/cooking up some grub now.  It's labeled, but I didn't look at the label.  It probably has a boatload of sodium in it.  I'm going to die eventually, but I won't die today


You hope.
 
2013-07-28 12:14:36 PM  

vygramul: FuzedBox: the liquid only contains FDA approved falvoring

Nope

I can tell you why they decided to use DEG, too - it acts as a solvent. Massengill discovered that DEG is great for making liquid solutions of Sulfanilamide, which would be great, if DEG didn't cause kidney failure.

I bet that's exactly why the e-cigarette manufacturer used it - they wanted a specific flavor they couldn't suspend in other solutions and figured that since they were unregulated, no one would know.

I have no problem with e-cigs, but the people who make just about any product are NOT your friend and WILL get away with what they can.


You're right... I should have specified: The premium US made juices (such as Halo, Johnson Creek, and Volcano) use FDA approved flavoring, but that doesn't stop chinese manufacturers such as Dekang from not using them.
 
2013-07-28 12:16:18 PM  

gfid: Infernalist: Go check your mail.  Maybe someone sent you some completely unlabeled food for you to eat.

Don't be an idiot.  Cigarettes don't have ingredient labels.  "E-liquid" doesn't either.

When I said it was unlabeled, obviously I meant it was not marked as a specific brand.

As I've pointed out already in this thread one problem with e-cigs is that we don't know what's in the e-liquid and it mostly comes from China - a country where mothers are desperate to import baby formula from other countries because they don't trust their own factories to provide a safe product.

I'm one of the few people here saying that e-cigs might not be safe.  OTOH, I'm not going to get all militant about that and the food I eat.

/cooking up some grub now.  It's labeled, but I didn't look at the label.  It probably has a boatload of sodium in it.  I'm going to die eventually, but I won't die today


Again, Johnson Creek Smoke Juice.  USA made.
 
2013-07-28 12:17:31 PM  
Actually Id prefer it if you did that,  I have no problem with these e cigs right now as they aren't proven to be harmful.  In fact I have no problem with regular cigs as long as your on private property and the owner of said property properly gives warning of smoking inside so consumers can make an informed decision.

The only problem I have is when people have no choice to interact with smokers causing cancer from second hand smoke.  Its no different then me going around with a needle and injecting people with AIDS.
 
2013-07-28 12:17:42 PM  

DubyaHater: I don't know much about the e-cigs and I certainly DNRTFA. I would think an e-cig habit is rather cost prohibitive. My guess is a pack of e-cigs cost 10x a pack of cigarettes.


Your guess is incredibly wrong.  I spend half as much on e-cigs as I did on cigarettes; and I live in an area of the country where cigarettes are fairly inexpensive.

katerbug72: vegas_greaser: My job just announced that insurance is going up for tobacco users next year by $150 a month and gave all tobacco users 4 days to quit, so a bunch of people started bringing E-Cigs in and selling them to other employees. Then the company also announced that E-Cigs were also covered under the new rules, and that anyone using an E-Cig would also pay $150 more per month for insurance.
Been a grumpy few weeks at the office.

Well, that's bullshiat. Why lump e-cigs in there?


Greed.  That, and nicotine is still poison.

Barfmaker: Why would health nuts, or anyone, give a crap?


The argument I've seen is that behaviorally, use of an e-cig is similar to an actual cigarette; and that somehow by allowing or condoning e-cig use it subconsciously sends a message that actual smoking is ok as well.

There is a fine argument to be made here.  E-cigs are a tool to help smokers quit smoking.  It's the only thing that has worked for me.  But that's the point, that you're supposed to ultimately quit altogether.  If you're using it as a replacement for tobacco, then you still have a problem.  It is less dangerous to yourself and others than smoking, but vaping is still unhealthy at its core.  Nicotine is not good for you in any way, shape, or form.  You can step down to a point where the 'juice' you are vaping has no nicotine in it, but even then, any activity done to excess is likely a bad thing.  All that being said, the idea that vaping must be treated exactly like actual smoking is incredibly ignorant.  It is not smoking.  If you put a bunch of smokers in a tiny room, and they all light up, eventually the room ends up being filled with smoke.  If you put a bunch of vapers in a room, and they are all vaping, nothing happens.
 
2013-07-28 12:19:24 PM  

sparrow794: DubyaHater: I don't know much about the e-cigs and I certainly DNRTFA. I would think an e-cig habit is rather cost prohibitive. My guess is a pack of e-cigs cost 10x a pack of cigarettes.

Your guess is incredibly wrong.  I spend half as much on e-cigs as I did on cigarettes; and I live in an area of the country where cigarettes are fairly inexpensive.

katerbug72: vegas_greaser: My job just announced that insurance is going up for tobacco users next year by $150 a month and gave all tobacco users 4 days to quit, so a bunch of people started bringing E-Cigs in and selling them to other employees. Then the company also announced that E-Cigs were also covered under the new rules, and that anyone using an E-Cig would also pay $150 more per month for insurance.
Been a grumpy few weeks at the office.

Well, that's bullshiat. Why lump e-cigs in there?

Greed.  That, and nicotine is still poison.

Barfmaker: Why would health nuts, or anyone, give a crap?

The argument I've seen is that behaviorally, use of an e-cig is similar to an actual cigarette; and that somehow by allowing or condoning e-cig use it subconsciously sends a message that actual smoking is ok as well.

There is a fine argument to be made here.  E-cigs are a tool to help smokers quit smoking.  It's the only thing that has worked for me.  But that's the point, that you're supposed to ultimately quit altogether.  If you're using it as a replacement for tobacco, then you still have a problem.  It is less dangerous to yourself and others than smoking, but vaping is still unhealthy at its core.  Nicotine is not good for you in any way, shape, or form.  You can step down to a point where the 'juice' you are vaping has no nicotine in it, but even then, any activity done to excess is likely a bad thing.  All that being said, the idea that vaping must be treated exactly like actual smoking is incredibly ignorant.  It is not smoking.  If you put a bunch of smokers in a tiny room, and they all light up, eventually the ...


Alcohol is a poison and I don't think they included drinkers when they passed out that memo.
 
2013-07-28 12:19:25 PM  
I love my Micro Vaped Pen. Granted I'm not using it for nicotine consumption, but it's a straight-up game changer.
 
2013-07-28 12:19:45 PM  

Infernalist: gfid: Saberus Terras: Plastered all over the package was the promise that you could vap anywhere, anytime, since it's not a cigarette.  We went to a restaurant for our anniversary and she brought it with her, and she had it out when our waitress came to get drink orders, waitress said there was no smoking allowed, wife told her it wasn't smoke, just water vapor.  Waitress talks to manager, manager comes out with "I don't care if it farts gold dust, you will not smoke that in here."

I have no problem with that.  Their restaurant, their rules.  And just because some company puts something on their product doesn't mean it carries the weight of law.

This is what really gets me about the e-cig fanatics.  "Oh, it's just water vapor".  Oh really?  Then why is it delivering nicotine too?  And how do you know it's not also delivering a thousand other chemicals directly to your lungs?

"Well, the company who makes them said so!"

Because a lot of people out there aren't farking retarded and understand how to take samples of something and learn what exactly is in it.


You have an HPLC machine in your house or something. I know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, but I certainly don't have the equipment to do that at home. Do you propose the average e-cig smoker does?
 
2013-07-28 12:20:02 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Reputable brands list their ingredients. Many people also mix their own.


Citation needed.

Really, just give us one example.  All the flavored e-liquids?  They only say how much nicotine is in them and whether it's PG or VG from what I've seen.  I suggested to one supplier that they might want to offer a non-flavored e-juice.  They seemed surprised.  WTF do they think people are using it for?  I'd bet most of us are just nicotine junkies and could give a flying fark about the taste which is probably mostly benzene anyway.
 
2013-07-28 12:20:40 PM  
I love how they're REALLY heavily advertising the stuff around NYC.  It must drive Bloomberg nuts.  And it's always fun to watch that shiathead throw a tantrum.
 
2013-07-28 12:22:45 PM  

gfid: Uranus Is Huge!: Reputable brands list their ingredients. Many people also mix their own.

Citation needed.

Really, just give us one example.  All the flavored e-liquids?  They only say how much nicotine is in them and whether it's PG or VG from what I've seen.  I suggested to one supplier that they might want to offer a non-flavored e-juice.  They seemed surprised.  WTF do they think people are using it for?  I'd bet most of us are just nicotine junkies and could give a flying fark about the taste which is probably mostly benzene anyway.


You haven't looked hard enough; it's very easy to find unflavored PG and nicotine base. Also, the more reputable vendors DO label their ingredients.

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2013-07-28 12:23:23 PM  

rga184: Infernalist: gfid: Saberus Terras: Plastered all over the package was the promise that you could vap anywhere, anytime, since it's not a cigarette.  We went to a restaurant for our anniversary and she brought it with her, and she had it out when our waitress came to get drink orders, waitress said there was no smoking allowed, wife told her it wasn't smoke, just water vapor.  Waitress talks to manager, manager comes out with "I don't care if it farts gold dust, you will not smoke that in here."

I have no problem with that.  Their restaurant, their rules.  And just because some company puts something on their product doesn't mean it carries the weight of law.

This is what really gets me about the e-cig fanatics.  "Oh, it's just water vapor".  Oh really?  Then why is it delivering nicotine too?  And how do you know it's not also delivering a thousand other chemicals directly to your lungs?

"Well, the company who makes them said so!"

Because a lot of people out there aren't farking retarded and understand how to take samples of something and learn what exactly is in it.

You have an HPLC machine in your house or something. I know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, but I certainly don't have the equipment to do that at home. Do you propose the average e-cig smoker does?


No, but I do have this thing called the 'personal computer' and I use it to great benefit.  You should consider googling that shiat.
 
2013-07-28 12:23:30 PM  

LittleSmitty: My company recently went with a no smoking policy. As in zero tolerance, E-cigs included. They were letting people smoke the e-cigs inside prior to the no smoking policy. Now there is no smoking on the property, period.

This of course drives the smokers nuts. They planned on getting in their cars and driving around the block on breaks and at lunch. Much to their chagrin, the company also instituted two additional policies. No leaving the property. They can get away with this because they started paying us for our lunch break, so no leaving the property when you are on the clock. The other policy is no going outside without managerial permission. You can go get something from your car, but the supervisor has to OK it and will watch you.

So now they hide their E-cigs and sneak around the plant, smoking behind various equipment. It's funny to watch


I'm not a smoker and I hate smoke in my face but holy shiat who would want to work for that kind of company? All of the factories and hospitals in my town are switching to no smoking on the property- but all of the workers are allowed to walk off the property and smoke on breaks. Plus the hospitals (maybe factories too, but I'm not sure) offered real smoking cessation programs.

Congratulations to all the quitters and I don't hate you to all of the smokers- Christ we all have bad habits and as long as you aren't flicking butts everywhere (which I don't really notice anymore now that there are butt disposal things everywhere) yours don't affect me.
 
2013-07-28 12:25:20 PM  

AirForceVet: LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.

Mmmm, emitting a vapor that contains a known drug that has side effects? Yeah, I want that floating around me in an enclosed room. Piss off, addicts.

You should do what heroin addicts do and shoot up quietly in the bathroom stalls or justwear a farkin' patch. Enough with the oral fixations.


Ya know, a person with an oral fixation is far FAR preferable to an asshole with an authoritarian complex.

Just saying, mind your own business Nancy, no one is hurting you.  The only thing you're going to get from e-cig vapor is a mighty case of the vapors.  So go lay down on your fainting couch in a corner somewhere and STFU.
 
2013-07-28 12:26:57 PM  
I make my own juice. I make my own coils.
There HAVE been serious studies done.

My favorite anti-e-cig report was the doctor that said the coils heat up to thousands of degrees. He was forced to admit that was retarded.
 
2013-07-28 12:27:31 PM  

LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.


It's not. They still contain the same carcinogens, per the FDA.
 
2013-07-28 12:28:42 PM  

cman: Why should anyone care if I put nicotine, or THC, or even a dick in my own colon? Its my farking body.


As long as you're putting it in your own body and not mine against my will, go nuts.
 
2013-07-28 12:29:17 PM  

meanmutton: LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.

It's not. They still contain the same carcinogens, per the FDA.


You are a liar.
 
2013-07-28 12:29:25 PM  

meanmutton: LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.

It's not. They still contain the same carcinogens, per the FDA.


You're a farking moron.
 
2013-07-28 12:29:52 PM  
Best of all, I can fart everywhere and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.
 
2013-07-28 12:30:31 PM  

s2s2s2: I make my own juice. I make my own coils.
There HAVE been serious studies done.

My favorite anti-e-cig report was the doctor that said the coils heat up to thousands of degrees. He was forced to admit that was retarded.


I also build RBAs. The thought of 28 or 32 gauge kanthal wire heating up to thousands of degrees without breaking is laughable.
 
2013-07-28 12:31:40 PM  

meanmutton: LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.

It's not. They still contain the same carcinogens, per the FDA.


Proof that you are a liar
 
2013-07-28 12:31:50 PM  
The only drawback I see to e-cigs is a lot less smokers will go outside to smoke.  The reduction in fresh air, sunshine, and social mingling with strangers will be greatly missed.

/non-smoker
//Always hangs out with the smokers outside
 
2013-07-28 12:32:24 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Don't taunt them, subby.  Enough people are already inclined to try to further control the sale of ecigs.


More precisely, many in government are aghast at the thought of anything that is at least marginally addictive not be subject to excessive fees and excise taxes. To put it more simply "Won't someone think of the lost revenue and the children and the lost revenue?"

As long as the e-cig makers refrain from advertising their product as a smoking cessation aid, the FDA doesn't have grounds to regulate their product. 2 1/2 years ago my wife and I went from 3 pack a day smokers to full-time e-cig users. At this point, a dozen atomizer/nicotine cartridges for about $45.00 will get us through around 4 months. Just compare 4 x 30 days of $7.00 + tax per pack x 3 packs. (120 x $7.21 x 3 = $2,595.00) Add $5.00 worth of disposable lighters and you end up comparing $2,600 versus less than $50 with a huge chunk of that 2.6 grand being state & federal taxes.
 
2013-07-28 12:33:35 PM  

FuzedBox: Saberus Terras: Just watch, the tobacco lobbyists will feed your politicians rigged studies showing how e-cigs are dangerous to their users and somehow to bystanders, then blam, even stricter regulations on e-cigs than ol' tabacco.

And good luck trying to vap anywhere that's non-smoking.  Restauranteurs, receptionists, office managers... not a single one of them will care, it looks like a cig, so it's a cig.  Even if they did, they know that some dipshiat patron won't know the difference and will raise unholy hell over it, so they won't let you.

It's kind of hard to create propaganda against vaping; vapor is proven to be healthier than smoke, the liquid only contains FDA approved falvoring, PG (propylene glycol; used in asthma inhalers), VG (vegetable glycerin; can be mixed in variable ratios to PG. I prefer no VG), and a choice of nicotine content upon purchase.

I don't know if this is true or not, but I heard the Blu is now partnered with RJ Reynolds. If anything, big tobacco wants in.


Blu was bought out by Lorillard, but yeah, I think the big boys want in.
 
2013-07-28 12:35:08 PM  
I think these e-cigarettes are a great idea though I question the wisdom of where some people order their nicotine from. A guy a work has it delivered from China for example. Who knows what the hell is in that crap. He could be swapping one carcinogen delivery mechanism for another.
 
2013-07-28 12:35:19 PM  

Ungarlmek: I'm using my vapor kit right now. It's fantastic.


Does it have the same "flavor" as a regular cig?  Thinking about getting one.
 
2013-07-28 12:36:17 PM  

advex101: So, no one has figured out how to use e-cigs as an illegal drug delivery system?  America, I am disappoint.


My local dispensary sells them.
 
2013-07-28 12:37:04 PM  

gfid: Uranus Is Huge!: Reputable brands list their ingredients. Many people also mix their own.

Citation needed.

Really, just give us one example.  All the flavored e-liquids?  They only say how much nicotine is in them and whether it's PG or VG from what I've seen.  I suggested to one supplier that they might want to offer a non-flavored e-juice.  They seemed surprised.  WTF do they think people are using it for?  I'd bet most of us are just nicotine junkies and could give a flying fark about the taste which is probably mostly benzene anyway.


My brand: PDF
 
2013-07-28 12:37:20 PM  

Spanky McStupid: Ungarlmek: I'm using my vapor kit right now. It's fantastic.

Does it have the same "flavor" as a regular cig?  Thinking about getting one.


You just stumbled onto the proverbial Achilles Heel of vaping; very few tobacco flavors are any good. I found a few that I liked, chief among them being 'Tobacco Pure' from Volcano. The problem with Volcano is that their juices are kinda pricey.
 
2013-07-28 12:37:25 PM  
 Oh no, don't worry no one really cares if you want to die a slow painful death. It's only when we have to put up with the smoke from that process. other than that? go ahead knock yourself out... and don't smoke around the oxygen bottle.
 
2013-07-28 12:38:52 PM  
This thread ia Big Ol Bad O Dicks.
 
2013-07-28 12:38:57 PM  

Infernalist: rga184: Infernalist: gfid: Saberus Terras: Plastered all over the package was the promise that you could vap anywhere, anytime, since it's not a cigarette.  We went to a restaurant for our anniversary and she brought it with her, and she had it out when our waitress came to get drink orders, waitress said there was no smoking allowed, wife told her it wasn't smoke, just water vapor.  Waitress talks to manager, manager comes out with "I don't care if it farts gold dust, you will not smoke that in here."

I have no problem with that.  Their restaurant, their rules.  And just because some company puts something on their product doesn't mean it carries the weight of law.

This is what really gets me about the e-cig fanatics.  "Oh, it's just water vapor".  Oh really?  Then why is it delivering nicotine too?  And how do you know it's not also delivering a thousand other chemicals directly to your lungs?

"Well, the company who makes them said so!"

Because a lot of people out there aren't farking retarded and understand how to take samples of something and learn what exactly is in it.

You have an HPLC machine in your house or something. I know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, but I certainly don't have the equipment to do that at home. Do you propose the average e-cig smoker does?

No, but I do have this thing called the 'personal computer' and I use it to great benefit.  You should consider googling that shiat.


I see, your tone implied that if you don't understand how to take samples of something you're "farking retarded", so I assumed you were implying that YOU knew how to do that and so did non "farking retarded" e-cig users. My mistake.

On the other hand, you understand that if you don't know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, you're calling yourself farking retarded too, right? You should have just written that there's people out there who are not farking retarded who know how to google shiat to find out what's in it.
 
2013-07-28 12:39:18 PM  
There's a lot of misconceptions by people who dont vape about what is in the liquid... I've even had someone indignantly tell me they were allergic; you can imagine my incredulity when I told them it was Vegetable Glycerin and if they were rocking an allergy to that, they weren't long for this world. Some people just want attention...


BUT there is a problem with people vaping mystery liquid. I get my juice at a shop where anyone can watch them make it. They list the ingredients on every bottle.

Hell, the stuff is stone simple, you can just make it yourself... but like most conveniences, people are willing to pay. Just know where you're getting your stuff. This is basic, common sense, that people apply rigorously to everything else. You wouldn't buy a can of soda that doesn't have ingredients listed on it... I don't know why you wouldn't police to the same level something you're going to breath.

Not to shill, but I'm a big fan of The Vapor Trail, but for full fairness there's like 3-6 other Vape shops in my city... so yeah.
 
2013-07-28 12:39:47 PM  

rga184: Infernalist: rga184: Infernalist: gfid: Saberus Terras: Plastered all over the package was the promise that you could vap anywhere, anytime, since it's not a cigarette.  We went to a restaurant for our anniversary and she brought it with her, and she had it out when our waitress came to get drink orders, waitress said there was no smoking allowed, wife told her it wasn't smoke, just water vapor.  Waitress talks to manager, manager comes out with "I don't care if it farts gold dust, you will not smoke that in here."

I have no problem with that.  Their restaurant, their rules.  And just because some company puts something on their product doesn't mean it carries the weight of law.

This is what really gets me about the e-cig fanatics.  "Oh, it's just water vapor".  Oh really?  Then why is it delivering nicotine too?  And how do you know it's not also delivering a thousand other chemicals directly to your lungs?

"Well, the company who makes them said so!"

Because a lot of people out there aren't farking retarded and understand how to take samples of something and learn what exactly is in it.

You have an HPLC machine in your house or something. I know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, but I certainly don't have the equipment to do that at home. Do you propose the average e-cig smoker does?

No, but I do have this thing called the 'personal computer' and I use it to great benefit.  You should consider googling that shiat.

I see, your tone implied that if you don't understand how to take samples of something you're "farking retarded", so I assumed you were implying that YOU knew how to do that and so did non "farking retarded" e-cig users. My mistake.

On the other hand, you understand that if you don't know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, you're calling yourself farking retarded too, right? You should have just written that there's people out there who are not farking retarded who know how to google shiat to find out what's ...


How's that googling working out for you?
 
2013-07-28 12:39:48 PM  

Sinclair.laker: Relatively Obscure: Don't taunt them, subby.  Enough people are already inclined to try to further control the sale of ecigs.

THIS - 100 times THIS...

The Airlines have already jumped on the "It's just like smoking!" bandwagon...


For chrissake, just palm the damn thing and discretely inhale. Hold your breath so that there's no cloud of vapor from an immediate exhalation. There is no real smoke - no one can smell anything. Who is going to rat you out? (Especially if you get a 'stealth" version that doesn't light up.)
 
2013-07-28 12:42:47 PM  

23FPB23: This thread is Big Ol Bag O Dicks.



FTFM

/need refills for my e-cig
 
2013-07-28 12:45:05 PM  
Pussies, I went cold turkey 1st attempt.
 
2013-07-28 12:45:18 PM  

The_Time_Master: Carth: e-cigarettes are already banned in a good number restaurants around me and all car rental/non smoking hotel rooms.

It is time smokers realize it has never been about your health it is about punishing you for your filthy habit. If you want to smoke you can do it outside in the rain 30 feet from the nearest door.

Except that smoking eCigs has no smell, no residue, and leaves no filth like second-hand smoke.

Nice troll attempt.


Which is why it is ridiculous they are banning them in so many places.

Maybe you need to get your sarcasm detector calibrated.
 
2013-07-28 12:45:39 PM  
I've been on e-cigs for over three years now, and I've been off nicotine completely for over a year. Yes, I'm still vaping at 0 nic. I guess I just really like putting things in my mouth to suck on.

lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-07-28 12:46:30 PM  

belhade: I've been on e-cigs for over three years now, and I've been off nicotine completely for over a year. Yes, I'm still vaping at 0 nic. I guess I just really like putting things in my mouth to suck on.

[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 800x452]


"That's what she said."
 
2013-07-28 12:46:45 PM  

Infernalist: rga184: Infernalist: rga184: Infernalist: gfid: Saberus Terras: Plastered all over the package was the promise that you could vap anywhere, anytime, since it's not a cigarette.  We went to a restaurant for our anniversary and she brought it with her, and she had it out when our waitress came to get drink orders, waitress said there was no smoking allowed, wife told her it wasn't smoke, just water vapor.  Waitress talks to manager, manager comes out with "I don't care if it farts gold dust, you will not smoke that in here."

I have no problem with that.  Their restaurant, their rules.  And just because some company puts something on their product doesn't mean it carries the weight of law.

This is what really gets me about the e-cig fanatics.  "Oh, it's just water vapor".  Oh really?  Then why is it delivering nicotine too?  And how do you know it's not also delivering a thousand other chemicals directly to your lungs?

"Well, the company who makes them said so!"

Because a lot of people out there aren't farking retarded and understand how to take samples of something and learn what exactly is in it.

You have an HPLC machine in your house or something. I know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, but I certainly don't have the equipment to do that at home. Do you propose the average e-cig smoker does?

No, but I do have this thing called the 'personal computer' and I use it to great benefit.  You should consider googling that shiat.

I see, your tone implied that if you don't understand how to take samples of something you're "farking retarded", so I assumed you were implying that YOU knew how to do that and so did non "farking retarded" e-cig users. My mistake.

On the other hand, you understand that if you don't know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, you're calling yourself farking retarded too, right? You should have just written that there's people out there who are not farking retarded who know how to google shiat to find out what's ...

How's that googling working out for you?


What am I supposed to be googling exactly? I made no claims about what is or is not in cigs. I made the mistake of interpreting your post about people sampling the e-cig juice and made a comment that it sounded as if you were implying that people who don't know how to do that are retarded. To that end, it would have been much more clearer to just say you googled it instead. What are your panties all bunched up about for? Is THAT what I should be googling? Geez man, go get a nicotine fix, lighten the fark up, francis.
 
2013-07-28 12:46:46 PM  

Researcher: There's a lot of misconceptions by people who dont vape about what is in the liquid... I've even had someone indignantly tell me they were allergic; you can imagine my incredulity when I told them it was Vegetable Glycerin and if they were rocking an allergy to that, they weren't long for this world. Some people just want attention...


BUT there is a problem with people vaping mystery liquid. I get my juice at a shop where anyone can watch them make it. They list the ingredients on every bottle.

Hell, the stuff is stone simple, you can just make it yourself... but like most conveniences, people are willing to pay. Just know where you're getting your stuff. This is basic, common sense, that people apply rigorously to everything else. You wouldn't buy a can of soda that doesn't have ingredients listed on it... I don't know why you wouldn't police to the same level something you're going to breath.

Not to shill, but I'm a big fan of The Vapor Trail, but for full fairness there's like 3-6 other Vape shops in my city... so yeah.


You're lucky... There are very few 'brick and mortar' vape shops around the country. I don't mean to shill either, but here's a list of good brands/search terms for anyone interested in getting into vaping: Volcano (great for starters), iTaste, Joye, Provari (a high end device), eGo, Johsnon Creek Vapor, Halo Vapor, Backwoods Brew  and Gotvapes.

There's also lots of great forums out there to help out; e-cigs get much more complicated the more you delve into them. ECF is an all around great place to find information.
 
2013-07-28 12:47:19 PM  
Since I switched three years ago I've converted a few on the way, but it still amazes me how resistant some smokers are to e-cigs. I can understand the ones that try it and don't like it, but to not even try it... derp.

Just refilled my eGo-T with some homemade juice. Nicotine, PG and VG.
 
2013-07-28 12:47:28 PM  

rga184: Infernalist: rga184: Infernalist: rga184: Infernalist: gfid: Saberus Terras: Plastered all over the package was the promise that you could vap anywhere, anytime, since it's not a cigarette.  We went to a restaurant for our anniversary and she brought it with her, and she had it out when our waitress came to get drink orders, waitress said there was no smoking allowed, wife told her it wasn't smoke, just water vapor.  Waitress talks to manager, manager comes out with "I don't care if it farts gold dust, you will not smoke that in here."

I have no problem with that.  Their restaurant, their rules.  And just because some company puts something on their product doesn't mean it carries the weight of law.

This is what really gets me about the e-cig fanatics.  "Oh, it's just water vapor".  Oh really?  Then why is it delivering nicotine too?  And how do you know it's not also delivering a thousand other chemicals directly to your lungs?

"Well, the company who makes them said so!"

Because a lot of people out there aren't farking retarded and understand how to take samples of something and learn what exactly is in it.

You have an HPLC machine in your house or something. I know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, but I certainly don't have the equipment to do that at home. Do you propose the average e-cig smoker does?

No, but I do have this thing called the 'personal computer' and I use it to great benefit.  You should consider googling that shiat.

I see, your tone implied that if you don't understand how to take samples of something you're "farking retarded", so I assumed you were implying that YOU knew how to do that and so did non "farking retarded" e-cig users. My mistake.

On the other hand, you understand that if you don't know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, you're calling yourself farking retarded too, right? You should have just written that there's people out there who are not farking retarded who know how to google shiat ...


I'm glad to see that you've figured out that whole 'personal computer' thing.  Glad to see I could help you grasp how to research basic information.
 
2013-07-28 12:47:51 PM  

zabadu: Again, Johnson Creek Smoke Juice.  USA made.


FuzedBox: You haven't looked hard enough; it's very easy to find unflavored PG and nicotine base. Also, the more reputable vendors DO label their ingredients.


Okay, I'll do some more research before I order more.  The only thing the e-juice I've ordered before says besides the brand name is that it contains nicotine.  Most if not all that I've ordered is made in China too.

I do not like vaping though.  I think it's probably not as unhealthful as smoking, but I'd rather be rid of the nicotine habit altogether.  I only started on the e-cigs because my semi-vaped tobacco cigarettes stopped being sold here (and also they were ridiculously expensive).  E-cigs are definitely way cheaper, but IMO not nearly as satisfying.
 
2013-07-28 12:49:29 PM  

belhade: I've been on e-cigs for over three years now, and I've been off nicotine completely for over a year. Yes, I'm still vaping at 0 nic. I guess I just really like putting things in my mouth to suck on.

[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 800x452]


How do you like those evods? Heard nothing but great things about them. Quick question, are they threaded for eGos? Do I need to buy a 510 adapter?
 
2013-07-28 12:49:45 PM  
Wut?

I don't care about your health. I prefer it more when you die. This is only a disappointing turn of events because fewer of you will burn yourselves to death.
 
2013-07-28 12:49:58 PM  

FuzedBox: Spanky McStupid: Ungarlmek: I'm using my vapor kit right now. It's fantastic.

Does it have the same "flavor" as a regular cig?  Thinking about getting one.

You just stumbled onto the proverbial Achilles Heel of vaping; very few tobacco flavors are any good. I found a few that I liked, chief among them being 'Tobacco Pure' from Volcano. The problem with Volcano is that their juices are kinda pricey.


I never found a tobacco flavor that I liked, but I found other flavors I liked better.  Johnson Creek sells samples you can try first.  I suggest doing that first.  The Vea is a good device - if you're a fairly serious smoker, stay away from the Blu and like cigs. They don't deliver the feel you want.  The Vea is kind of a midrange between serious vaping and the baby e cigs.  And it's cheap too, far cheaper than the Blu's and much more satisfying.

(I've tried several.  I stopped once I got the Vea).
 
2013-07-28 12:51:58 PM  

Infernalist: rga184: Infernalist: rga184: Infernalist: rga184: Infernalist: gfid: Saberus Terras: Plastered all over the package was the promise that you could vap anywhere, anytime, since it's not a cigarette.  We went to a restaurant for our anniversary and she brought it with her, and she had it out when our waitress came to get drink orders, waitress said there was no smoking allowed, wife told her it wasn't smoke, just water vapor.  Waitress talks to manager, manager comes out with "I don't care if it farts gold dust, you will not smoke that in here."

I have no problem with that.  Their restaurant, their rules.  And just because some company puts something on their product doesn't mean it carries the weight of law.

This is what really gets me about the e-cig fanatics.  "Oh, it's just water vapor".  Oh really?  Then why is it delivering nicotine too?  And how do you know it's not also delivering a thousand other chemicals directly to your lungs?

"Well, the company who makes them said so!"

Because a lot of people out there aren't farking retarded and understand how to take samples of something and learn what exactly is in it.

You have an HPLC machine in your house or something. I know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, but I certainly don't have the equipment to do that at home. Do you propose the average e-cig smoker does?

No, but I do have this thing called the 'personal computer' and I use it to great benefit.  You should consider googling that shiat.

I see, your tone implied that if you don't understand how to take samples of something you're "farking retarded", so I assumed you were implying that YOU knew how to do that and so did non "farking retarded" e-cig users. My mistake.

On the other hand, you understand that if you don't know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, you're calling yourself farking retarded too, right? You should have just written that there's people out there who are not farking retarded who know how to google shiat ...

I'm glad to see that you've figured out that whole 'personal computer' thing.  Glad to see I could help you grasp how to research basic information.


Are you this abrasive in real life? I misinterpreted your post, I owned up to it, and mentioned what you could have written to make it more clear. Or is this one of those situations where you act like a complete asshole so that when somebody calls you on it you can post a very funny "welcome to fark" pic. Cuz if that's your goal, by all means, go ahead and post the pic. I think it's funny too.
 
2013-07-28 12:52:37 PM  

AirForceVet: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.

When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.


How do feel about eating tomatoes?

You do know that they and other nightshades also contain nicotine, right?
 
2013-07-28 12:53:42 PM  

Vodka Zombie: You do know that they and other nightshades also contain nicotine, right?


You often vaporize your tomatoes or are you just generally retarded?
 
2013-07-28 12:55:02 PM  

DrunkenBob: The only drawback I see to e-cigs is a lot less smokers will go outside to smoke.  The reduction in fresh air, sunshine, and social mingling with strangers will be greatly missed.

/non-smoker
//Always hangs out with the smokers outside


Hah that is the same thing I do- I just like an excuse to go outside, even if it IS thunderstorming or bitterly cold. It is quiet, no tvs, people actually have to talk to each other. Plus, the smokers actually will talk to strangers and meet new people.
 
2013-07-28 12:55:26 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: As long as they don't smell and don't fark up my health, have at it. I hate smokers because of what it does to me, not you. I don't care if addicts die from their addiction as long as they take no one with them.


This, pretty much. I'm sure it's better than regular cigs, but I would like to know if whatever vapor is being expelled is still going to be in any way harmful to those around you who might inhale it. Yeah, the smell of a regular cig is annoying, but pleasant-smelling poison isn't any better than stinky poison. Outside of that, I don't care. Put whatever you want in your body so long as I don't have to participate.
 
2013-07-28 12:55:43 PM  

Sgygus: Go ahead smokers, ignore your health.  That leaves more health for the rest of us.


Nice.  And guess who gets to help pay medical bills?
 
2013-07-28 12:56:38 PM  

katerbug72: vegas_greaser: My job just announced that insurance is going up for tobacco users next year by $150 a month and gave all tobacco users 4 days to quit, so a bunch of people started bringing E-Cigs in and selling them to other employees. Then the company also announced that E-Cigs were also covered under the new rules, and that anyone using an E-Cig would also pay $150 more per month for insurance.
Been a grumpy few weeks at the office.

Well, that's bullshiat. Why lump e-cigs in there?


The company's official explanation was that they were unsure of the safety of e-cigs and that they still included nicotine, and other chemicals and therefore were Tobacco products.
 
2013-07-28 12:56:47 PM  

gfid: zabadu: Again, Johnson Creek Smoke Juice.  USA made.

FuzedBox: You haven't looked hard enough; it's very easy to find unflavored PG and nicotine base. Also, the more reputable vendors DO label their ingredients.

Okay, I'll do some more research before I order more.  The only thing the e-juice I've ordered before says besides the brand name is that it contains nicotine.  Most if not all that I've ordered is made in China too.

I do not like vaping though.  I think it's probably not as unhealthful as smoking, but I'd rather be rid of the nicotine habit altogether.  I only started on the e-cigs because my semi-vaped tobacco cigarettes stopped being sold here (and also they were ridiculously expensive).  E-cigs are definitely way cheaper, but IMO not nearly as satisfying.


I also didn't find it as satisfying as the real thing at first. This might sound kind of tin-foiley, but I really think it's all the damn additives clearing out of your system during the first week or so of vaping. It also helps once you find all the right PV, delivery devices, and flavors tailored to your style.
 
2013-07-28 12:57:08 PM  

gfid: zabadu: Again, Johnson Creek Smoke Juice.  USA made.

FuzedBox: You haven't looked hard enough; it's very easy to find unflavored PG and nicotine base. Also, the more reputable vendors DO label their ingredients.

Okay, I'll do some more research before I order more.  The only thing the e-juice I've ordered before says besides the brand name is that it contains nicotine.  Most if not all that I've ordered is made in China too.

I do not like vaping though.  I think it's probably not as unhealthful as smoking, but I'd rather be rid of the nicotine habit altogether.  I only started on the e-cigs because my semi-vaped tobacco cigarettes stopped being sold here (and also they were ridiculously expensive).  E-cigs are definitely way cheaper, but IMO not nearly as satisfying.


The ecigs they sell over the counter and the small ones like Blu weren't satisfying to me either.  I didn't really want to go full vape with the tanks, etc., and got many recommendations of the Vea while I was looking.  I swear, you will find it more satisfying than the ones you get in the store.
 
2013-07-28 12:57:50 PM  
First of all: Second hand smoke is bullshiat, so unless you're a smoker yourself, this really doesn't affect you as much as you'd think. If something as harmful as real cigarette smoke can't do a passer-by harm, what hope does a nicotine vapor have of harming someone else?

Second of all: I don't lie to anyone when they ask me if my e-cig is healthier. I have always told people straight up that there's no research or studies to confirm or deny that e-cigs are healthier than real cigs. I also tell them that they aren't FDA approved, so for all we know I'm inhaling a vapor that's a million times worse for me than a Marlboro. Or I could be inhaling something that has all the health risks of a stick of celery.

/I'm hoping they come out with some studies soon, though
//preferably some no bullshiat studies that aren't funded by Phillip-Morris
 
2013-07-28 12:58:27 PM  

skozlaw: Vodka Zombie: You do know that they and other nightshades also contain nicotine, right?

You often vaporize your tomatoes or are you just generally retarded?


I have a steaming pot of sauce on the stove, so....

I'll also be grilling some eggplant and peppers later.

My goodness!!!

Tell me again who it is who is "generally retarded?"
 
2013-07-28 12:58:39 PM  

skozlaw: Vodka Zombie: You do know that they and other nightshades also contain nicotine, right?

You often vaporize your tomatoes or are you just generally retarded?


Every time you cook them, idiot.  Love the smell of your spaghetti?
 
2013-07-28 12:58:46 PM  

supayoda: PC LOAD LETTER: As long as they don't smell and don't fark up my health, have at it. I hate smokers because of what it does to me, not you. I don't care if addicts die from their addiction as long as they take no one with them.

This, pretty much. I'm sure it's better than regular cigs, but I would like to know if whatever vapor is being expelled is still going to be in any way harmful to those around you who might inhale it. Yeah, the smell of a regular cig is annoying, but pleasant-smelling poison isn't any better than stinky poison. Outside of that, I don't care. Put whatever you want in your body so long as I don't have to participate.


The cancer causing agents in second-hand smoke are hundreds of other chemicals and additives that have nothing to do with nicotine.

Plus, the vapor itself dissipates to negligible levels less than 5 feet from the point of exhalation.

Lastly, the only thing in the vapor of note is Vegetable Glycerin.

In short, an e-cig user could blow vapor in your face for hours and there'd be no negative consequences, other than the user's bad breath being in your grill for hours.
 
2013-07-28 12:59:14 PM  
I'm not sure what's worse... subby's lack of reading comprehension in the article (which was raising questions about e-cigs, not glowingly supporting them) or the lack of information in the article. There was little talk of the science, no references to sources other than a few doctors sounding off, and positive quotes from Youtube commenters.

That's not even phoning it in. It's more like yelling at the guy in the next room to make a call.
 
2013-07-28 01:00:38 PM  

vegas_greaser: katerbug72: vegas_greaser: My job just announced that insurance is going up for tobacco users next year by $150 a month and gave all tobacco users 4 days to quit, so a bunch of people started bringing E-Cigs in and selling them to other employees. Then the company also announced that E-Cigs were also covered under the new rules, and that anyone using an E-Cig would also pay $150 more per month for insurance.
Been a grumpy few weeks at the office.

Well, that's bullshiat. Why lump e-cigs in there?

The company's official explanation was that they were unsure of the safety of e-cigs and that they still included nicotine, and other chemicals and therefore were Tobacco products.


The UC system says the ban is because they are "unregulated".  Only reason.
 
2013-07-28 01:01:46 PM  
As much as I applaud the obvious and undeniable public health benefit of eliminating tobacco/electronic nicotine use, I am wary of what will take place once the battle against it is won.  There's not going to be a point where the public is "healthy enough" and the efforts to curb "unhealthy" habits will cease.  Something else will be a target, and I'm sure somehow the righteous indignation will still prevail once alcohol becomes demonized as a threat to health and general productivity in the same manner as nicotine products have.

/Really fun at parties
//Tobacco-less since February 6, 2012
 
2013-07-28 01:02:19 PM  

LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.


Just water, nicotine, a vaporizing agent and "flavoring," at least according to the labeling of the e-cig I have.

/Never use it.
 
2013-07-28 01:02:54 PM  

Carth: e-cigarettes are already banned in a good number restaurants around me and all car rental/non smoking hotel rooms.

It is time smokers realize it has never been about your health it is about punishing you for your filthy habit. If you want to smoke you can do it outside in the rain 30 feet from the nearest door.


You're full of shiat. Provide names of restaurants and rental car places, I'd love to speak with them personally about this bullshiat claim you're making.

/I use my e-cig EVERYWHERE and have never had anyone do anything beyond asking what it is or if I like it.
//and that's including a court room. In session.
 
2013-07-28 01:03:19 PM  
I work for a medical device company and have access to lots of cardiac monitors. When I smoked, my blood pressure ran 160/90. After a week on e-cigs, it was around 110/70, and that's where it has stayed. I have read that so far, the worst thing that can be said about e-cigs is that they can cause pulmonary hypertension during their use - while inhaling and exhaling the vapor. That's probably about as dangerous as GMO fruits and veggies.
 
2013-07-28 01:03:36 PM  

zabadu: skozlaw: Vodka Zombie: You do know that they and other nightshades also contain nicotine, right?

You often vaporize your tomatoes or are you just generally retarded?

Every time you cook them, idiot.  Love the smell of your spaghetti?


My personal fave is that someone claiming to be an Air Force Vet is crying about potentially harmful vapor from a freakin' e-cig.

You probably don't want to know the number of mad carcinogens floating in the air around an airport. Lol!
 
2013-07-28 01:06:40 PM  

AirForceVet: LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.

Mmmm, emitting a vapor that contains a known drug that has side effects? Yeah, I want that floating around me in an enclosed room. Piss off, addicts.

You should do what heroin addicts do and shoot up quietly in the bathroom stalls or justwear a farkin' patch. Enough with the oral fixations.




Finally!

I can't wait until coffee is banned.

farking addict, using, in public! It's disgusting. Bathroom stall are too good for them.
 
2013-07-28 01:09:00 PM  
As a non-smoker, I'm clueless.

I'd like to get my sister an e-cig starter kit, but I have no clue where to start.

Help me out?
 
2013-07-28 01:10:22 PM  

Thirty Foot Smurf: As much as I applaud the obvious and undeniable public health benefit of eliminating tobacco/electronic nicotine use, I am wary of what will take place once the battle against it is won.  There's not going to be a point where the public is "healthy enough" and the efforts to curb "unhealthy" habits will cease.  Something else will be a target, and I'm sure somehow the righteous indignation will still prevail once alcohol becomes demonized as a threat to health and general productivity in the same manner as nicotine products have.

/Really fun at parties
//Tobacco-less since February 6, 2012


I think we've already seen the opening shots on what will be the next front for the health crusaders. Junk food. Actually, I figure that is going to be the backdoor by which they'll get back to the issue of alcohol. (The direct route was sort of cut off by the lingering disrepute of Prohibition.)
 
2013-07-28 01:12:53 PM  

sendtodave: Militant anti-smokers are bigger douches than smokers.

Cancer beats righteous indignation every time.


Really? How much of your health insurance dollar goes to buy oxygen, chemo, radiation therapy, and ICU time for people who are suffering from being righteously indignant douchenozzles?
 
2013-07-28 01:13:08 PM  
These go great with non-alcoholic beer. mock apple pie and kissing your sister..
 
2013-07-28 01:13:54 PM  

LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.


You should think long and hard about that part of your statement.
 
2013-07-28 01:16:31 PM  
I used a no-nicotene version for 2 months and quit easily after 20 years.
 
2013-07-28 01:17:06 PM  
nicotine... idiot.
 
2013-07-28 01:17:51 PM  

Infernalist: Dude, you need to relax.  Have a smoke or something.


Thanks for the advice. I was just expressing my strong opinion that people who use ecigarettes shouldn't use them in enclosed rooms. My old man passed from emphysema most unpleasantly after smoking his too short lifetime. Also, I know of people with hypersensitivities that have terrible reactions to certain allergens, like nicotine. As for the possibility of injury from inhaling second-hand nicotine vapor, I'm not aware of any studies saying they're harmful, perfectly safe or in between. Therefore, IMHO, don't use ecigarettes in enclosed rooms and/or facilities. It's not your factless call for others to put up with your vapor, based on your own selfish needs and desires.

Obviously, FusedBox, BraveNewCheneyWorld, et al don't get it. They simply rationalize their poor behavior and manners without facts. I wasn't aware nicotine caused brain damage at higher levels, or they're just so hooked on the drug, which is more likely, they come up with excuses. You know, like alcoholics.

So, to sum my opinion up, don't spread vapors containing any drugs within enclosed rooms. It is not your place to tell other people what they have to inhale, no matter how right you think it is.

Oh, and for our special needs friend, Neomunk, just eat me. ;-)
 
2013-07-28 01:17:51 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: As a non-smoker, I'm clueless.

I'd like to get my sister an e-cig starter kit, but I have no clue where to start.

Help me out?


Since the Blu batteries are terrible, I got a couple of Joyetech 510 batteries and a charger. I'd get the automatic batteries if you can find them, but it's not a huge deal.

One of the biggest perks of using the Joye 510 is that it can take the Blu cartridges which are easily available at Walgreens and other places.

I'm getting to the point where I actually prefer the ecig over the regular smokes, and a lot of that is due to the ease of use of the set up I have.
 
2013-07-28 01:19:09 PM  

Barfmaker: Why would health nuts, or anyone, give a crap?


Yep. E smoke yourselves to death.
 
2013-07-28 01:20:21 PM  

mooseyfate: Carth: e-cigarettes are already banned in a good number restaurants around me and all car rental/non smoking hotel rooms.

It is time smokers realize it has never been about your health it is about punishing you for your filthy habit. If you want to smoke you can do it outside in the rain 30 feet from the nearest door.

You're full of shiat. Provide names of restaurants and rental car places, I'd love to speak with them personally about this bullshiat claim you're making.

/I use my e-cig EVERYWHERE and have never had anyone do anything beyond asking what it is or if I like it.
//and that's including a court room. In session.


car2go has it right on their website, zipcar will say no ecigs when you call. Hilton won't let you use any smoking devices which include ecigs in any of their non smoking rooms.
 
2013-07-28 01:20:57 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: As a non-smoker, I'm clueless.

I'd like to get my sister an e-cig starter kit, but I have no clue where to start.

Help me out?


Well, if you've read this thread, you're an asshole and should just kill yourself. If you haven't read this thread, most Blu is a pretty popular brand though I've never tried their flavores. NJoy is another. I use V2, but ever since they replaced their classic methol flavor with a new on that has a hot sauce after-taste, I'm considering changing brands. The quest for the perfect menthol flavor has begun.