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2013-07-28 10:52:39 PM  

mooseyfate: Since people are throwing e-cig companies around, I'd like to throw V2's hat in the ring.  V2cigs.com.  I'm not entirely sure how they compare quality-wise, but they have a pretty decent warrantee policy that (atleast when I was buying my first e-cig a year ago) was the best I came across.  If your battery stops working, and you've bought atleast one package of carts/other product from their website in the last 90 days, you were covered.  90 days may not seem like a lot to a non-smoker, but as any smoker that depends on an e-cig can tell you, it's a farking lifetime.


I started smoking V2's last year in June. They were the better ones I had tried and see a lot of positive reviews. By November I was barely using them and sine then I've completely stopped smoking. Probably  one of the best things I ever bought in my life. I would highly recommend v2's.
 
2013-07-28 10:57:00 PM  
We've been using e-cigs for about six months now, and aside from falling off the wagon about three times in six months, we've quit smoking. That includes someone with emphysema who is feeling much better and getting lung function back from what had been at 30%. All of us had been smoking for 20+ years, and for the most part we don't miss it. All of us had tried chantix and every other form of smoking cessation device to no avail. The e-cigs provide the sensation of smoking without the health risk. We put away the ashtrays and nothing smells like smoke anymore. It costs a fraction of what cigarettes do once you calculate the price of e-juice and the initial investment in a kit.

For anyone who says that they aren't sure it's completely safe, it's about exactly as safe as nicotine gum and the patch, and nobody is saying that we should ban them because they contain nicotine. I think that the main reason anyone wants to ban e-cigs is because they have a puritan love of suffering, and they want people quitting to be miserable. E-cigarettes are without question much healthier than tobacco no matter how you slice it, and about as likely to cause cancer as the patch is.
 
2013-07-28 11:25:00 PM  

Fark Drudge: Ungarlmek:

"Pretty soon I'm starting a new job and will actually have some cash so I think I might get a Darwin for home use."

I would suggest looking at something like the Provari, or VV Reo Grand, over the Darwin. The batteries are replaceable, rather than built into the unit. Once you are in that price range, there are options that are likely better for you than the Darwin.


+1 on the VV Reo Grand.  Love mine.  I'd also suggest a Reomizer 2.0 and several feet of 30 AWG Kanthal A-1 and 2.5mm or 3mm silica.
 
2013-07-28 11:54:36 PM  

Fark Drudge: Ungarlmek:

"Pretty soon I'm starting a new job and will actually have some cash so I think I might get a Darwin for home use."

I would suggest looking at something like the Provari, or VV Reo Grand, over the Darwin. The batteries are replaceable, rather than built into the unit. Once you are in that price range, there are options that are likely better for you than the Darwin.


I'll look into those too, then. Pretty much everything I've been told so far about The Darwin is that it's the best out there.  Replaceable batteries is a huge deal to me, so now that I know that's not an option for The Darwin it's pretty much right out for me.
 
2013-07-29 12:11:49 AM  

Mudflap: Fark Drudge: Ungarlmek:

"Pretty soon I'm starting a new job and will actually have some cash so I think I might get a Darwin for home use."

I would suggest looking at something like the Provari, or VV Reo Grand, over the Darwin. The batteries are replaceable, rather than built into the unit. Once you are in that price range, there are options that are likely better for you than the Darwin.

+1 on the VV Reo Grand.  Love mine.  I'd also suggest a Reomizer 2.0 and several feet of 30 AWG Kanthal A-1 and 2.5mm or 3mm silica.


The rebuildable atty's are definitely the way to go, for experienced users. They take a bit of know-how, but even basic boge cartos can be used on the Reo.

I have a few RBA's, and like ones that drain back into the juice bottle. No mess, no fuss. They can be pricier, but they are very convenient and mess free. I'm not sure if Rob's 2nd gen has that or not. I ended up going with an ERA bottom feeder version, because it was the best aside from the extremely overpriced chalice. Still not cheap, but something that will last forever and hold its value is always a good bet.

As far as silica goes, I've moved to organic cotton. They do have the potential to burn, but silica has potential health issues when pushed hard. Organic cotton is cheap, and about as easy to work with as silica, but you can't always crank the voltage up.

YMMV.
 
2013-07-29 12:26:14 AM  

Ungarlmek: I'll look into those too, then. Pretty much everything I've been told so far about The Darwin is that it's the best out there.  Replaceable batteries is a huge deal to me, so now that I know that's not an option for The Darwin it's pretty much right out for me.


The batteries in the Darwin can be replaced, but you have to mail the entire unit in and have the factory do it.  To me, that's a major downside.  I'm not a fan of the way it looks, either.

The provari has the best overall reputation as the best available device.

To me, having PV's that cost in the $200 to $300 range (before you add the tank or liquid) isn't an option.  I can afford them, but I go out dancing (two stepping in honky tonks) and I'm going to leave it lying on a table.  If someone walks with one of those, that's a fair loss.  I use something a lot cheaper that does the same job, and if it gets lost/stolen it's not as big a deal. And I have a bag with spare parts that I take and leave in the car.  I can put together a new PV or swap out any parts that go flakey quite easily.

So if I got a provari, I'd pretty much only want to use it at home, and the PV's I'm taking out all day are already doing a good job.

I've used a number of devices.  When I was using nicer VV devices, I vaped at about 4.7 or 4.8 volts.  Now I'm using 1300 mah Vision Spinner batteries, which are very similar to the ego Twist.  Those go to a max of 4.8 volts, but that's exactly where I ended up when I was using devices that could go to 6 volts.  It's my sweet spot.  Using a more expensive device wouldn't change that, so I'd be using the same voltage either way.
 
2013-07-29 12:51:00 AM  
JuggleGeek: Ungarlmek: 

"So if I got a provari, I'd pretty much only want to use it at home, and the PV's I'm taking out all day are already doing a good job."

Yeah, provaris aren't really something you'd want to take out if you're going to leave it on the bar.

There are a lot of good small battery devices for something like that, and they're far more discreet in appearance anyways (the provari looks like a dildo).

The Reo, on the other hand, is more of a pocket friendly device. No tank needed, rectangular, and still can do the variable voltage adjustment (if you have the VV model).

They're both good, but I totally agree. I never really take my provaris out to a bar, especially my chrome one. The Reo, on the other hand, is about the size and shape of a pack of stinkies, so it's pretty much right at home in my pocket. I just use a carto condom to keep the mouth piece clean while it's in there. I have a couple leather holsters for my Reos, so I also can slap it on my belt if I don't want to pocket it.

//Kind of an ECF nerd. Different name there, but more than a lurker.
 
2013-07-29 01:12:05 AM  

JuggleGeek: Ungarlmek: I'll look into those too, then. Pretty much everything I've been told so far about The Darwin is that it's the best out there.  Replaceable batteries is a huge deal to me, so now that I know that's not an option for The Darwin it's pretty much right out for me.

The batteries in the Darwin can be replaced, but you have to mail the entire unit in and have the factory do it.  To me, that's a major downside.  I'm not a fan of the way it looks, either.

The provari has the best overall reputation as the best available device.

To me, having PV's that cost in the $200 to $300 range (before you add the tank or liquid) isn't an option.  I can afford them, but I go out dancing (two stepping in honky tonks) and I'm going to leave it lying on a table.  If someone walks with one of those, that's a fair loss.  I use something a lot cheaper that does the same job, and if it gets lost/stolen it's not as big a deal. And I have a bag with spare parts that I take and leave in the car.  I can put together a new PV or swap out any parts that go flakey quite easily.

So if I got a provari, I'd pretty much only want to use it at home, and the PV's I'm taking out all day are already doing a good job.

I've used a number of devices.  When I was using nicer VV devices, I vaped at about 4.7 or 4.8 volts.  Now I'm using 1300 mah Vision Spinner batteries, which are very similar to the ego Twist.  Those go to a max of 4.8 volts, but that's exactly where I ended up when I was using devices that could go to 6 volts.  It's my sweet spot.  Using a more expensive device wouldn't change that, so I'd be using the same voltage either way.


I'm mostly looking for something to use at home since I'll likely be sticking with the Inferno for travel due to the lanyard.
 
2013-07-29 01:47:37 AM  

Somacandra: Shadowknight: I will never get my mom to stop smoking...maybe it's not too much to ask for her to stop destroying ours or stenching up the place.

Gift her a hookah and and some honeydew tobacco. And some appropriate charcoal. Everyone will be much happier.


Yeah, 'cos they don't smell AT ALL, right?.
 
2013-07-29 01:51:04 AM  
vygramul:
That chart has got to assume near-zero muscle-tone. I'm 6'4" and when I was bicycling several miles a day to and from school and then also biking on weekends 15 miles around the lake (an extremely hilly 15 miles, too), I was 224lbs. There's no way I was well on the way to "severely obese". I'd say that chart has some built-in assumptions that can be safely ignored by anyone doing a regular exercise regime.

It's BMI - complete junk math unless you're average height.
 
2013-07-29 02:23:46 AM  
I smoke 3-5 30 20 dollar cigars a year and laugh at the pussies who can't control their nicotine.
 
2013-07-29 02:42:18 AM  

Mimekiller: I smoke 3-5 30 20 dollar cigars a year and laugh at the pussies who can't control their nicotine.


Smoke 2 every day for a year and then tell me how easy it is to stop.  Apples meet oranges.

/have smoked like 3 or 4 cigs and maybe 10 cigars in my life... not counting the funny kind.
 
2013-07-29 02:44:17 AM  

Shadowknight: I will never get my mom to stop smoking. Never mind she's already having coughing fits that puts my passed grandmother's death bed rattles to shame, she just "enjoys it" too much to quit. But, at the very least I wish she would go with an e-cig. I've been visiting the families the last month (we live in Spain, but I bring the kids home for the summer to see the grandparents) and all of my clothes smell like stale, nasty smoke. My eyes are constantly burning. My sinuses are so clogged up with black, tar-like snot that I can hardly breath.

I may never get her to stop destroying her own health, but maybe it's not too much to ask for her to stop destroying ours or stenching up the place.


Take it from someone who's mother died of lung cancer directly caused from smoking, and who wishes e-cigs were around back then: Research them and buy her one. You can do what I can only hope and pray I could have done. If she doesn't want to smoke, so be it. At least she won't have to die from lung cancer. There are also different strengths and flavors. Perhaps your mother can learn to compromise, if not her sake, than her grandchildren.
 
2013-07-29 03:37:15 AM  

Nabb1: Smoke up and die, already, before universal healthcare comes along and makes us all pay for your stupidity.

/Quit twelve years ago.


Well aren't you a big farking man. If you knew anything about quitting smoking, you would know that it is one of the hardest things to quit in the world. Most people end up relapsing. Gum and patches don't work for the vast majority. Chantex and the like have a very bad side effect that causes a LOT of people to have suicidal thoughts/self harm actions, so it's not worth it. fark you, big man. I hope you relapse and get cancer you farking troll.
 
2013-07-29 03:43:43 AM  

Disgruntled Goat: I couldn't care less what smokers do to their own bodies. It's the smoke in the room, the stench permeating everything and the fact that smokers think it's okay to toss their used butts anywhere they please that pisses me off.


None of these things happen with real ecigs. You may find an occasional asshole that throws a disposable on the ground, but they're the type that would throw just about anything on the ground and should be punched in the face accordingly. (And disposables farking suck to begin with.) They don't smell except if you're standing right in the cloud of vapor and even then it smells like whatever flavor they're vaping (which is almost always something yummy).
 
2013-07-29 03:49:29 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Just no one tell them 'e-cigs' produce a lot of dioxins. Huffing on hot plastic is perfectly safe.


You're a farking idiot.
 
2013-07-29 03:53:03 AM  

sxacho: I switched to e-cigs for about 3 months. I liked it and saved a bunch of money, but my psoriasis started flaring up like crazy. So now I'm back on the real thing, temporarily, while I get ready to go cold turkey. In the meantime, my psoriasis has quieted back down. I seems to go against everything I've been able to find out about these things, but my anecdotal evidence is good enough for me.


You might have an allergy to propylene glycol. Try juice that has little to no PG (all vegetable glycerine - VG) instead. I don't know much about psoriasis, but it may also be because vaping does cause slight dehydration. Drink water!
 
2013-07-29 04:06:27 AM  

Endive Wombat: Now someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that while nicotine is itself addictive, there was basically no conclusive evidence between pure nicotine usage and cancer.


This is correct. Nicotine does NOT cause cancer. The burning of matter creates carcinogens and THAT causes cancer.

And to all the farktards that keep biatching about "secondhand vapor", there is less nicotine suspended in that than there is in your garden variety tomatoes. Yes, there is nicotine in tomatoes (amongst other plants), and IF by the time that miniscule amount gets into your lungs (you'd have to be right in the vapor cloud), you're absorbing practically nothing that would be detectable by any tests.
 
2013-07-29 04:07:03 AM  

elementcircle: Chantex and the like have a very bad side effect that causes a LOT of people to have suicidal thoughts/self harm actions, so it's not worth it.


Yep. I was actually just sitting here, staring at the prescription bottle my doctor pushed on me last week, and thinking, "nope, nope, nope."

/not really a happy-happy fellow to begin with, so not going to roll those dice. Thinking I might just pick up an e-cig tomorrow, give that a whirl.
 
2013-07-29 04:09:36 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Do you smokers know what chemicals they're using in those e-cigs? Sure, it seems healthier because there's no smoke, but you're still willingly inhaling carcinogens just to stick it to us non-smokers. That, to me, is hilarious.


Yes, we do know what's in them: Nicotine, propylene glycol, vegetable glycerine, and food-grade flavoring. There are no carcinogens in them because THERE IS NOTHING BURNING you farking idiot.
 
2013-07-29 04:12:57 AM  

AirForceVet: LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.

Mmmm, emitting a vapor that contains a known drug that has side effects? Yeah, I want that floating around me in an enclosed room. Piss off, addicts.

You should do what heroin addicts do and shoot up quietly in the bathroom stalls or justwear a farkin' patch. Enough with the oral fixations.


You're a farking idiot. Nicotine is in tomatoes, peppers, and other plants, and studies suggest it may lower risk of Parkinson's disease. So, yeah, fark you.
 
2013-07-29 04:26:33 AM  

Saberus Terras: Saberus Terras


I would have just picked up my shiat and walked out of the restaurant if the manager talked to me like that.
 
2013-07-29 04:37:19 AM  

drxym: I think these e-cigarettes are a great idea though I question the wisdom of where some people order their nicotine from. A guy a work has it delivered from China for example. Who knows what the hell is in that crap. He could be swapping one carcinogen delivery mechanism for another.


Actually ALL "liquid" nicotine comes from China. We export the tobacco to them, they extract the nicotine and send it back to us. There are PLENTY of US made e-liquids, but the nicotine that almost everyone uses comes from China, unless they are extracting it themselves. I don't really trust e-liquid from China, because I don't trust them to not put other things in it, so I buy US liquids from reputable companies that label their shiat.
 
2013-07-29 04:44:35 AM  

vygramul: Bumblefark:

[healthyweightchart.files.wordpress.com image 378x316]

That chart has got to assume near-zero muscle-tone. I'm 6'4" and when I was bicycling several miles a day to and from school and then also biking on weekends 15 miles around the lake (an extremely hilly 15 miles, too), I was 224lbs. There's no way I was well on the way to "severely obese". I'd say that chart has some built-in assumptions that can be safely ignored by anyone doing a regular exercise regime.


You gotta cut Bumble some slack, that chart is as old and out-dated as he is, and it's tough being old today. No respect anymore...

/oh I'm singin' in the rain..
 
2013-07-29 04:45:42 AM  

FuzedBox: Spanky McStupid: Ungarlmek: I'm using my vapor kit right now. It's fantastic.

Does it have the same "flavor" as a regular cig?  Thinking about getting one.

You just stumbled onto the proverbial Achilles Heel of vaping; very few tobacco flavors are any good. I found a few that I liked, chief among them being 'Tobacco Pure' from Volcano. The problem with Volcano is that their juices are kinda pricey.


I don't know where you're getting your Volcano juices from, but they're not much different from most other lines ($20 30ml; cheaper if you have a local shop). Five Pawns, now THAT shiat is pricey! ($27.50 for 30ml)
 
2013-07-29 04:51:29 AM  

SecretAgentWoman: As a non-smoker, I'm clueless.

I'd like to get my sister an e-cig starter kit, but I have no clue where to start.

Help me out?


http://www.discountvapers.com/kanger-evod-kit-stainless/

Easiest setup to use for those just starting out. If she want's a different color, they have several. As for juice, The Vapor Chef is probably one of the most popular around right now, there's also Volcano that has some decent menthol flavors (search "volcano ecig"). Just stay away from the Chinese made liquids (Dekang, et al)

PM me if you have any questions or need help.
 
2013-07-29 04:53:07 AM  

Vodka Zombie: SecretAgent


Those things are terrible. If you want better flavor, get an Evod kit and real juices like I suggested to Secret Agent. PM me if you need help.
 
2013-07-29 04:55:00 AM  

Bumblefark: elementcircle: Chantex and the like have a very bad side effect that causes a LOT of people to have suicidal thoughts/self harm actions, so it's not worth it.

Yep. I was actually just sitting here, staring at the prescription bottle my doctor pushed on me last week, and thinking, "nope, nope, nope."

/not really a happy-happy fellow to begin with, so not going to roll those dice. Thinking I might just pick up an e-cig tomorrow, give that a whirl.


Since most of the people on here are just being assholes, I'm making it a point to help those like you that are truly interested in actual help. PM me if you'd like some advice on starting out. It's better to have a buddy so you don't end up with something shiatty and going back to the death sticks. :)
 
2013-07-29 04:58:12 AM  

Fark Drudge: Ungarlmek:

"Pretty soon I'm starting a new job and will actually have some cash so I think I might get a Darwin for home use."

I would suggest looking at something like the Provari, or VV Reo Grand, over the Darwin. The batteries are replaceable, rather than built into the unit. Once you are in that price range, there are options that are likely better for you than the Darwin.


And if those are too expensive to start with, you can always go with a Tesla.
 
2013-07-29 08:10:13 AM  

elementcircle: Actually ALL "liquid" nicotine comes from China. We export the tobacco to them, they extract the nicotine and send it back to us. There are PLENTY of US made e-liquids, but the nicotine that almost everyone uses comes from China, unless they are extracting it themselves. I don't really trust e-liquid from China, because I don't trust them to not put other things in it, so I buy US liquids from reputable companies that label their shiat.


The point I was alluding to was the total lack of quality control in just ordering stuff in this manner. I expect the lack of regulation combined with the increasing popularity means it's a very profitable thing to counterfeit. It could be cold tea and pond water cut with ephedrine for all the consumer knows.

At least ordering it from a western supplier, means there is a motivation for the supplier to test it is what the label says and establish lines of business with reputable companies in china. As opposed to buying from random Ebay / Alibaba dude.
 
2013-07-29 08:24:15 AM  
e-cigs don't satisfy.  now u might think this is a big deal but it's not.  people just like fish dicks in their mouth
 
2013-07-29 08:38:43 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: e-cigs don't satisfy.  now u might think this is a big deal but it's not.  people just like fish dicks in their mouth


Get that fish dick out of your mouth. E-cigs are great!
 
2013-07-29 08:58:20 AM  

Deep Contact: Jon iz teh kewl: e-cigs don't satisfy.  now u might think this is a big deal but it's not.  people just like fish dicks in their mouth

Get that fish dick out of your mouth. E-cigs are great!


fark off.  e-cigs farking suck.  i don't care if the farking air outside smells like smoke.  cause if i'm not happy in my marriage than NO ONE IS
 
2013-07-29 09:12:47 AM  

elementcircle: Saberus Terras: Saberus Terras

I would have just picked up my shiat and walked out of the restaurant if the manager talked to me like that.


Nah, I shut him up by showing him my still open wounds where I had the chest tubes after my surgery, and offered the false excuse that she's trying to quit before I 'lost the other lung'.  Still didn't use the thing, she was too nervous.

Shoulda pushed for a gratuity, but I felt I'd been enough of a dick to them.
 
2013-07-29 09:18:35 AM  

Z-clipped: That's great. You're the exception. Cigarette litter is the most prolific type of litter in the US and worldwide. It's an enormous problem, and it's not just a small minority of smokers that contribute to it. Something like 90% of cigarette butts fail to end up in ashtrays and receptacles.


Even lovelier is watching the assholes empty their ashtrays into some random store's parking lot. 'Cause freedom.
 
2013-07-29 09:21:38 AM  

Saberus Terras: elementcircle: Saberus Terras: Saberus Terras

I would have just picked up my shiat and walked out of the restaurant if the manager talked to me like that.

Nah, I shut him up by showing him my still open wounds where I had the chest tubes after my surgery, and offered the false excuse that she's trying to quit before I 'lost the other lung'.  Still didn't use the thing, she was too nervous.

Shoulda pushed for a gratuity, but I felt I'd been enough of a dick to them.


your not being a dick, your just encouraging the belief that cigarettes are good for u.
 
2013-07-29 09:44:18 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: e-cigs don't satisfy.  now u might think this is a big deal but it's not.  people just like fish dicks in their mouth


Not most people.  That's just you.
 
2013-07-29 10:07:26 AM  
Add me to the list of people who quit with the patch. Been off cigarettes for 18 months now. Gum and e-cigs allow you to get your fix indoors, and spike the nicotine. Some people actually increase their nicotine intake because it becomes more convenient.

The patch took my brain out of the equation. Every time I had a craving I was able to reassure myself that it was just due to habit. The patch kept the nicotine in slow release form to separate my brain for the psychological addiction.

Took about a month to quit. You can do it too. Or...don't. You're kidding yourself if you think society is going to ease up on the ostracizing of smokers. I decided I'd pick another battle to fight, and I estimate I've save nearly $2000 since quitting.
 
2013-07-29 10:50:51 AM  

JuggleGeek: Jon iz teh kewl: e-cigs don't satisfy.  now u might think this is a big deal but it's not.  people just like fish dicks in their mouth

Not most people.  That's just you.


your a gay fish
 
2013-07-29 11:16:57 AM  

LaughingRadish: Z-clipped: A Terrible Human: Z-clipped: This thread clearly separates the "Nazis" from the rest of the people who just don't like having to smell your stink, or pick up your litter.

But I'm a hippy and don't believe in throwing butts on the ground?

That's great.  You're the exception.  Cigarette litter is the most prolific type of litter in the US and worldwide.  It's an enormous problem, and it's not just a small minority of smokers that contribute to it.  Something like 90% of cigarette butts fail to end up in ashtrays and receptacles.

Sounds like a litter problem, not a cigarette problem.


More specifically, it's a problem with smokers littering cigarettes.
 
2013-07-29 11:25:27 AM  
Mmmm, 540 posts in this thread at this time. Certainly did my part in boosting Fark's advertising revenue with this one.

/My work here is done.
 
2013-07-29 12:22:26 PM  

AirForceVet: Mmmm, 540 posts in this thread at this time. Certainly did my part in boosting Fark's advertising revenue with this one.

/My work here is done.


If you were any more full of yourself, you'd be a Klein bottle.
 
2013-07-29 12:27:43 PM  

AirForceVet: LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.

Mmmm, emitting a vapor that contains a known drug that has side effects? Yeah, I want that floating around me in an enclosed room. Piss off, addicts.

You should do what heroin addicts do and shoot up quietly in the bathroom stalls or justwear a farkin' patch. Enough with the oral fixations.


Go suck on your exhaust pipe.
 
2013-07-29 02:17:29 PM  

Z-clipped: LaughingRadish: Z-clipped: A Terrible Human: Z-clipped: This thread clearly separates the "Nazis" from the rest of the people who just don't like having to smell your stink, or pick up your litter.

But I'm a hippy and don't believe in throwing butts on the ground?

That's great.  You're the exception.  Cigarette litter is the most prolific type of litter in the US and worldwide.  It's an enormous problem, and it's not just a small minority of smokers that contribute to it.  Something like 90% of cigarette butts fail to end up in ashtrays and receptacles.

Sounds like a litter problem, not a cigarette problem.

More specifically, it's a problem with smokers littering cigarettes.


Funny, I don't see you concerned about all the garbage on the ground.  Just butts bother you?
 
2013-07-29 03:16:21 PM  

zabadu: Z-clipped: LaughingRadish: Z-clipped: A Terrible Human: Z-clipped: This thread clearly separates the "Nazis" from the rest of the people who just don't like having to smell your stink, or pick up your litter.

But I'm a hippy and don't believe in throwing butts on the ground?

That's great.  You're the exception.  Cigarette litter is the most prolific type of litter in the US and worldwide.  It's an enormous problem, and it's not just a small minority of smokers that contribute to it.  Something like 90% of cigarette butts fail to end up in ashtrays and receptacles.

Sounds like a litter problem, not a cigarette problem.

More specifically, it's a problem with smokers littering cigarettes.

Funny, I don't see you concerned about all the garbage on the ground.  Just butts bother you?


That's because this thread is about cigarettes, and the relative benefits vaporizers have over them. One of the biggest of which is curbing the littering behavior that most conventional smokers engage in. A behavior that is not mitigated by your childish attempt to change the subject, since you know nothing of my concerns about other kinds of litter.
 
2013-07-29 03:38:17 PM  

mooseyfate: AirForceVet: Mmmm, 540 posts in this thread at this time. Certainly did my part in boosting Fark's advertising revenue with this one.

/My work here is done.

If you were any more full of yourself, you'd be a Klein bottle.


If he was a Klein bottle, wouldn't he be empty?

/since the inside is also the outside
 
2013-07-29 06:10:42 PM  

HighZoolander: mooseyfate: AirForceVet: Mmmm, 540 posts in this thread at this time. Certainly did my part in boosting Fark's advertising revenue with this one.

/My work here is done.

If you were any more full of yourself, you'd be a Klein bottle.

If he was a Klein bottle, wouldn't he be empty?

/since the inside is also the outside


I was test driving some new snark. Back to the drawing board on that one, I suppose.
 
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