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2013-07-28 02:58:03 PM

Blazncheetah: I wish this thread had more recommendations on e-cig models and liquids.
I probably should go to an e-cig forums but having opinions outside of one helps too.


The ego-t as people above recommend is fantastic.  for a flavor, my favorite was hopscotch, you can get it here
 
2013-07-28 03:00:01 PM

Bumblefark: lewismarktwo: Bumblefark: pmdgrwr: Bumblefark: hardinparamedic: Bumblefark: You were suggesting that smokers are an illegitimate drain on the social safety net.

The United States spends more money every year on diseases caused by smoking than obesity alone. A substantial chunk of Medicare funding itself goes to the care of COPD/Emphysema - 98% of which was caused by cigarette smoking.

Do TRY, at least, to stay on topic while on the cross there?

Eh...you're the one that seems desperately eager to make this a discussion about statistical facts that nobody is actually questioning. I guess because you confuse factoids for argument. But, *shrugs*, just guessing. Just for giggles, though, let's see if we can at least ferret out some sort of implicit argument, then.

So...when obesity expenses outpace smoking expenses, you'll be back here to push those waivers in front of the fat folks? Is that fair to say?

Obesity is costing me more, I have to drive around to find clothes that fit me. Most places I go to do not have a smaller size to fit me. It has become much harder to find size 33 waist and med shirts to wear, every where I go they have only much larger sizes 36 waist and up.

Heh. Screw the monetary costs. Ever had to shop in the kiddie section just to find a belt?

You aren't healthy, you're TINY.  Humans have been getting larger for a while now.  Maybe you should have et your vegetables and layed off on the coffee?

5'9", 145 lbs.

[education-portal.com image 375x205]

[healthyweightchart.files.wordpress.com image 378x316]

/no, really -- most stores assume the average shopper is overweight.


6'1" and 200lbs is overweight? People tell me I'm skinny.

/Compared to other Americans, I guess I am.
 
2013-07-28 03:01:07 PM

Bumblefark:

[healthyweightchart.files.wordpress.com image 378x316]


That chart has got to assume near-zero muscle-tone. I'm 6'4" and when I was bicycling several miles a day to and from school and then also biking on weekends 15 miles around the lake (an extremely hilly 15 miles, too), I was 224lbs. There's no way I was well on the way to "severely obese". I'd say that chart has some built-in assumptions that can be safely ignored by anyone doing a regular exercise regime.
 
2013-07-28 03:01:22 PM
**hugs vegas**

The Ego was a game changer for me, too, pmdgrwr.
 
2013-07-28 03:01:26 PM

pedrop357: LittleSmitty: My company recently went with a no smoking policy. As in zero tolerance, E-cigs included. They were letting people smoke the e-cigs inside prior to the no smoking policy. Now there is no smoking on the property, period.

This of course drives the smokers nuts. They planned on getting in their cars and driving around the block on breaks and at lunch. Much to their chagrin, the company also instituted two additional policies. No leaving the property. They can get away with this because they started paying us for our lunch break, so no leaving the property when you are on the clock. The other policy is no going outside without managerial permission. You can go get something from your car, but the supervisor has to OK it and will watch you.

So now they hide their E-cigs and sneak around the plant, smoking behind various equipment. It's funny to watch

What the hell kind of company is this?  You can't go outside without permission?


It's the 2nd largest printing company in the world. We work a 12 hour shift, and get paid for 12 hours. So as long as you are on the clock, it's no outside for you. And since this is in Florida, a "Right to work", a.k.a. "we can fire your ass at will" state, there is no recourse.

I don't smoke, but I do like to step out for a little fresh air.

Yeah, I'm looking for a new job. They are adding a lot of extra responsibilities, but no extra pay, and my new boss is a dick.
 
2013-07-28 03:03:48 PM

Blazncheetah: I wish this thread had more recommendations on e-cig models and liquids.
I probably should go to an e-cig forums but having opinions outside of one helps too.


I learned so much from ECF, but yeah, other opinions are always welcome.  Heck, I've even lurked Reddit's subforum about it.  Lots to learn, and there's a lot of opinions out there.  I'd love to see some truly impartial studies done, but hopefully in time they'll be out there.  Until then, vape on, and be happy.
 
2013-07-28 03:05:15 PM

mooseyfate: Carth: e-cigarettes are already banned in a good number restaurants around me and all car rental/non smoking hotel rooms.

It is time smokers realize it has never been about your health it is about punishing you for your filthy habit. If you want to smoke you can do it outside in the rain 30 feet from the nearest door.

You're full of shiat. Provide names of restaurants and rental car places, I'd love to speak with them personally about this bullshiat claim you're making.

/I use my e-cig EVERYWHERE and have never had anyone do anything beyond asking what it is or if I like it.
//and that's including a court room. In session.


That must have been one understanding judge...
 
2013-07-28 03:05:56 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Blazncheetah: I wish this thread had more recommendations on e-cig models and liquids.
I probably should go to an e-cig forums but having opinions outside of one helps too.

The ego-t as people above recommend is fantastic.  for a flavor, my favorite was hopscotch, you can get it here


Well, I'm using an ego-c and sometimes I get a harsh vape (after priming). I think at the time at purchase people recommended it to me over the ego-t which is why I'm really on the on the fence about going with an ego again.
 
2013-07-28 03:08:22 PM

LoneWolf343: mooseyfate: Carth: e-cigarettes are already banned in a good number restaurants around me and all car rental/non smoking hotel rooms.

It is time smokers realize it has never been about your health it is about punishing you for your filthy habit. If you want to smoke you can do it outside in the rain 30 feet from the nearest door.

You're full of shiat. Provide names of restaurants and rental car places, I'd love to speak with them personally about this bullshiat claim you're making.

/I use my e-cig EVERYWHERE and have never had anyone do anything beyond asking what it is or if I like it.
//and that's including a court room. In session.

That must have been one understanding judge...


No shiat. Some judges seem to take exception to breathing.
 
2013-07-28 03:10:05 PM
DERP! DERP! DERP!
OHMYGERD! You're vaporizing Propylene Glycol & breathing it into my air! You're trying to kill me!


To bad there's not an incidence of long term exposure to 1000's of times higher concentrations of vaporized propylene glycol, over decades, in enclosed spaces. Hmmmm, let me think...

Here look at these purty pictures while I think:

images.sdj.netdna-cdn.com

haveyouhurd.com

image.dhgate.com

image.made-in-china.com

Nope, drawing a blank, anybody help me out here?
 
2013-07-28 03:13:09 PM

Lernaeus: We figured out (read: we found a website that explained) how to modify them for alternate use. It's made the last few concerts more fun and paranoia-free.

Now to work on a sonic screwdriver mod ...


hey, can you hook me up with a link for that, EIP?

/Going to a concert in a couple weeks time
 
2013-07-28 03:19:14 PM

Blazncheetah: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Blazncheetah: I wish this thread had more recommendations on e-cig models and liquids.
I probably should go to an e-cig forums but having opinions outside of one helps too.

The ego-t as people above recommend is fantastic.  for a flavor, my favorite was hopscotch, you can get it here

Well, I'm using an ego-c and sometimes I get a harsh vape (after priming). I think at the time at purchase people recommended it to me over the ego-t which is why I'm really on the on the fence about going with an ego again.


You could try something like the lavatube, so you can adjust the voltage on the fly.
 
2013-07-28 03:20:09 PM

Blazncheetah: I wish this thread had more recommendations on e-cig models and liquids.
I probably should go to an e-cig forums but having opinions outside of one helps too.


The thing is, the same people on those e-cig forums are probably the same people who will chime in here.

I'm using the Volt X2.  I tried an eGo which a lot of people speak very highly of, but I just wasn't that impressed with it.  Maybe it was the e-liquid that I was trying at the time that left me underwhelmed.
 
2013-07-28 03:20:22 PM

o4tuna: DERP! DERP! DERP!
OHMYGERD! You're vaporizing Propylene Glycol & breathing it into my air! You're trying to kill me!


To bad there's not an incidence of long term exposure to 1000's of times higher concentrations of vaporized propylene glycol, over decades, in enclosed spaces. Hmmmm, let me think...

Here look at these purty pictures while I think:

[images.sdj.netdna-cdn.com image 850x711]

[haveyouhurd.com image 400x300]

[image.dhgate.com image 473x282]

[image.made-in-china.com image 850x639]

Nope, drawing a blank, anybody help me out here?


Despite your confidence in being smarter than everyone ever, the bigger concern is the nicotine component. E-cigs don't piss me off like traditional flaming stink sticks and I'm fine giving them a pass as research is done, but proper research should be done in reasonable time on any potential second hand effects. I'm betting it won't be a problem, which would make e-cigs an absolutely great potential solution to the nuisance second hand smoke, butt litter, and flaming furniture issues.
 
2013-07-28 03:22:55 PM

vygramul: Bumblefark:

[healthyweightchart.files.wordpress.com image 378x316]

That chart has got to assume near-zero muscle-tone. I'm 6'4" and when I was bicycling several miles a day to and from school and then also biking on weekends 15 miles around the lake (an extremely hilly 15 miles, too), I was 224lbs. There's no way I was well on the way to "severely obese". I'd say that chart has some built-in assumptions that can be safely ignored by anyone doing a regular exercise regime.


It's a standard BMI chart.  Not a good indicator for athletes, or people with high-muscle genetics.
 
2013-07-28 03:23:26 PM

pedrop357: LittleSmitty: My company recently went with a no smoking policy. As in zero tolerance, E-cigs included. They were letting people smoke the e-cigs inside prior to the no smoking policy. Now there is no smoking on the property, period.

This of course drives the smokers nuts. They planned on getting in their cars and driving around the block on breaks and at lunch. Much to their chagrin, the company also instituted two additional policies. No leaving the property. They can get away with this because they started paying us for our lunch break, so no leaving the property when you are on the clock. The other policy is no going outside without managerial permission. You can go get something from your car, but the supervisor has to OK it and will watch you.

So now they hide their E-cigs and sneak around the plant, smoking behind various equipment. It's funny to watch

What the hell kind of company is this?  You can't go outside without permission?

 
2013-07-28 03:29:27 PM

pedrop357: LittleSmitty: My company recently went with a no smoking policy. As in zero tolerance, E-cigs included. They were letting people smoke the e-cigs inside prior to the no smoking policy. Now there is no smoking on the property, period.

This of course drives the smokers nuts. They planned on getting in their cars and driving around the block on breaks and at lunch. Much to their chagrin, the company also instituted two additional policies. No leaving the property. They can get away with this because they started paying us for our lunch break, so no leaving the property when you are on the clock. The other policy is no going outside without managerial permission. You can go get something from your car, but the supervisor has to OK it and will watch you.

So now they hide their E-cigs and sneak around the plant, smoking behind various equipment. It's funny to watch

What the hell kind of company is this?  You can't go outside without permission?


Your average American work place... Dont forget the drug testing too.. Land of the free my ass
 
2013-07-28 03:31:47 PM

o4tuna: DERP! DERP! DERP!
OHMYGERD! You're vaporizing Propylene Glycol & breathing it into my air! You're trying to kill me!


To bad there's not an incidence of long term exposure to 1000's of times higher concentrations of vaporized propylene glycol, over decades, in enclosed spaces. Hmmmm, let me think...

Here look at these purty pictures while I think:

[images.sdj.netdna-cdn.com image 850x711]

[haveyouhurd.com image 400x300]

[image.dhgate.com image 473x282]

[image.made-in-china.com image 850x639]

Nope, drawing a blank, anybody help me out here?


If you filled that up with thc would you literally be able to smoke yourself stupid? o.o
 
2013-07-28 03:33:27 PM
Surpheon

... the bigger concern is the nicotine component. E-cigs don't piss me off like traditional flaming stink sticks and I'm fine giving them a pass as research is done, but proper research should be done in reasonable time on any potential second hand effects.

What's a "reasonable time," and who funds the research? I don't trust big Pharma or big Tobacco, they have money stakes (opposite money stakes, BTW) in the outcome.
 
2013-07-28 03:33:50 PM

FuzedBox: belhade: I've been on e-cigs for over three years now, and I've been off nicotine completely for over a year. Yes, I'm still vaping at 0 nic. I guess I just really like putting things in my mouth to suck on.

[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 800x452]

How do you like those evods? Heard nothing but great things about them. Quick question, are they threaded for eGos? Do I need to buy a 510 adapter?


The EVOD tanks ar ekinda tricky; they leaked like crazy at first until i rebuilt the head by putting more wick in. Now it's pretty good (my homemade juice leaves a bit to be desired though). They are 510-threaded, with the outer threading as an eGo cone cover.
 
2013-07-28 03:35:36 PM

FuzedBox: Pesky_Humans: I have been smoke free for almost 3 months tanks to my PV and quality US made juice, after 17 years of smoking. Started at 36mg nicotine and am down to 10mg. Haven't had a single craving since day 2, and I am not chain-vaping all day either. It's quite remarkable how well this works if you have the right gear and juice.

Congrats, man! Stick with it; before you know it, you'll find 36mg to be too strong, lower the dose, and repeat. I'm two years "analogue" free, started at 36 and 24mg juices, and am at 8mg now.

//Which PV did you buy?


Provari with OCD carto tanks. Changed the game for me. I am down to 10 mg after 10 weeks. Woohoo!
 
2013-07-28 03:37:59 PM

Blazncheetah: I wish this thread had more recommendations on e-cig models and liquids.
I probably should go to an e-cig forums but having opinions outside of one helps too.


look into the Ego. Great little e-cig, get a tank for it so you will have a constant supply of liquid. If you do not like that option of the back look into dripping which is nothing more than adding your liquid at your leisure to a atomizer designed for dripping. Cartomizers I think are ineffective for a heavy user of nicotine. Direct drip is the best manual method of use.
 
2013-07-28 03:46:12 PM
Anyone have any luck refilling the Blu cartridges? They use Johnson Creek juice, and I heard that is cheaper than buying the cartridges.
 
2013-07-28 03:46:46 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Blazncheetah: I wish this thread had more recommendations on e-cig models and liquids.
I probably should go to an e-cig forums but having opinions outside of one helps too.

The ego-t as people above recommend is fantastic.  for a flavor, my favorite was hopscotch, you can get it here


You keep away from my Hopscotch!
 
2013-07-28 03:49:29 PM

Blazncheetah: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Blazncheetah: I wish this thread had more recommendations on e-cig models and liquids.
I probably should go to an e-cig forums but having opinions outside of one helps too.

The ego-t as people above recommend is fantastic.  for a flavor, my favorite was hopscotch, you can get it here

Well, I'm using an ego-c and sometimes I get a harsh vape (after priming). I think at the time at purchase people recommended it to me over the ego-t which is why I'm really on the on the fence about going with an ego again.


The only difference is the type of atomizer or cartomizer it comes with. You can get different ones for next to nothing.

Hit the ECF (forums), and poke around the starter area for tips.
 
2013-07-28 03:53:45 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: AirForceVet: DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.

Are you this upset about perfume, potpourri, scented candles, air freshener, surface cleaners, microwaved popcorn etc?  Unless you are, you really have no business whining.


I'm against all of those but popcorn, popcorn steam doesn't bother me unless it's been burnt. That said the only place I think vaping should be banned is airplanes, too much recirculating of the air, otherwise there's no way it's going to bother you.
 
2013-07-28 03:54:08 PM

desertfool: Anyone have any luck refilling the Blu cartridges? They use Johnson Creek juice, and I heard that is cheaper than buying the cartridges.


Sure. You can refill those Blu carts with whatever juice you want. Just pry the cap and white inner ring off the mouth end, tilt at a 45 degree angle or so, and drip your smoke juice in. Try not to drip any down the center.

You can refill them four or five times before they start to get weird.
 
2013-07-28 03:56:59 PM

Surpheon: o4tuna: DERP! DERP! DERP!
OHMYGERD! You're vaporizing Propylene Glycol & breathing it into my air! You're trying to kill me!


To bad there's not an incidence of long term exposure to 1000's of times higher concentrations of vaporized propylene glycol, over decades, in enclosed spaces. Hmmmm, let me think...

Here look at these purty pictures while I think:

[images.sdj.netdna-cdn.com image 850x711]

[haveyouhurd.com image 400x300]

[image.dhgate.com image 473x282]

[image.made-in-china.com image 850x639]

Nope, drawing a blank, anybody help me out here?

Despite your confidence in being smarter than everyone ever, the bigger concern is the nicotine component. E-cigs don't piss me off like traditional flaming stink sticks and I'm fine giving them a pass as research is done, but proper research should be done in reasonable time on any potential second hand effects. I'm betting it won't be a problem, which would make e-cigs an absolutely great potential solution to the nuisance second hand smoke, butt litter, and flaming furniture issues.


Actually, seems most of the complaining I've seen is about the PG. As far as the nicotine goes, There's an insanely small amount in each drag, which is mostly trapped in the lungs of the user. The amount exhaled is indeed measurable, but minuscule. If a person is worried about exposure to that minuscule amount, they should probably only breathe filtered air, as pollution, both man-made & natural, is at far higher levels.

/life-long non-smoker
//think smoking is a nasty, stinky habit
\think eCigs are not nearly as annoying as whiny babies...
\\Like the ones that evacuated a building because the custodian used WD-40 on a chair...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
2013-07-28 03:58:56 PM

robodog: BraveNewCheneyWorld: AirForceVet: DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.

Are you this upset about perfume, potpourri, scented candles, air freshener, surface cleaners, microwaved popcorn etc?  Unless you are, you really have no business whining.

I'm against all of those but popcorn, popcorn steam doesn't bother me unless it's been burnt. That said the only place I think vaping should be banned is airplanes, too much recirculating of the air, otherwise there's no way it's going to bother you.


You picked a doosie:  http://www.popcornlung.com/Popcorn-Lung-Overview/Popcorn-Lung-Symptom s .shtml
 
2013-07-28 04:01:03 PM

Vodka Zombie: advex101: So, no one has figured out how to use e-cigs as an illegal drug delivery system?  America, I am disappoint.

Oh. They have.

In fact, the vaporizer technology used to "smoke" was originally invented by medical weed users, and there are tons of recipes online for creating the juice (hash oil) to fill your little cartridges. I think that could be the actual reason for a lot of the angst against ecigs.


Its pretty awesome actually. Doesn't smell like it at all. Pricey, but worth it
 
2013-07-28 04:04:12 PM

o4tuna: Surpheon: o4tuna: DERP! DERP! DERP!

Actually, seems most of the complaining I've seen is about the PG. As far as the nicotine goes, There's an insanely small amount in each drag, which is mostly trapped in the lungs of the user. The amount exhaled is indeed measurable, but minuscule. If a person is worried about exposure to that minuscule amount, they should probably only breathe filtered air, as pollution, both man-made & natural, is at far higher levels.


The nicotine is absorbed primarily through the mouth, nasal cavity, and throat. By the time it gets to the lungs it's pretty much gone, assuming you pause for a moment after the inhale.

A lot of us Ecig users don't even do a full lung inhale. That's usually something that starters do in order to get a more cigarette like effect.

TMYK
 
2013-07-28 04:04:37 PM
Call me a tool, but if anyone in the LA area wants to quit smoking through e-cigs, I can hook you up.

vapeneighbor.com

Free consultations on e-juices and brand name vaporizers. You'll be seated at a bar and served your choice of juice by a bartender, who will also showcase/repair/consult you on any vaporizer you have or are interested in. You can test out vaporizers and e-juice until you find the one that suits your needs.

I know the manager of the Westwood location. There's also a bigger store in Sherman Oaks and very soon there will be an ultra hip and modern vaping lounge opening up on Sunset Blvd. Seriously, I visited the local and it was more fancy than all the hookah bars I've visited, and it's still under construction!

I've never been a smoker, so I tell them to serve me up Zero Strength e-juice, preferably in Fruity or Candy flavors. Passion Pear is my current favorite, although I do love Gummy Bear and Green Apple.

Over 18 only. They're real serious about checking ID.
 
2013-07-28 04:05:20 PM
I've been using Prestige brand ecigs for about 8 months. Get the 1000mv battery and use fruit flavor liquid.
You can pick the nicotine strength level that will help you out. You can smoke them anywhere, even if they don't allow it because there is no odor. The smoking Nazis hate this.
Still smoke regular cigs once in a while. Good times.
 
2013-07-28 04:24:05 PM
The common thread here is that people have a problem with cigarettes.  Hang around a pipe smoker sometime.  Pipe smoke smells wonderful.
 
2013-07-28 04:26:18 PM
I smoke, and if you're a smoker who flicks away butts, I don't know what's wrong with you.

I save my butts.  When I feel like saving a few bucks, I wring out the leftover tobacco from them and roll my own.  Can make a pack of handrolls from my leftovers for less than a dollar.  Also shuts up the "zomg you smokers all litter" herp derp when they see you tuck that butt in your pack after putting it out.
 
2013-07-28 04:32:43 PM

Fark Drudge: o4tuna: Surpheon: o4tuna: DERP! DERP! DERP!

Actually, seems most of the complaining I've seen is about the PG. As far as the nicotine goes, There's an insanely small amount in each drag, which is mostly trapped in the lungs of the user. The amount exhaled is indeed measurable, but minuscule. If a person is worried about exposure to that minuscule amount, they should probably only breathe filtered air, as pollution, both man-made & natural, is at far higher levels.

The nicotine is absorbed primarily through the mouth, nasal cavity, and throat. By the time it gets to the lungs it's pretty much gone, assuming you pause for a moment after the inhale.

A lot of us Ecig users don't even do a full lung inhale. That's usually something that starters do in order to get a more cigarette like effect.

TMYK


Yes, that's what I meant. INSIDE the user. Not exhaled on the whiners...
 
2013-07-28 04:43:29 PM
    If the government genuinely cared about peoples health and the burden smokers present to healthcare they'd be handing these things out for free. But no,,, coincidentally, E-ciggs cost about the same as the cancer sticks that corporate farking whores and their government cronies hooked millions of citizens on in the 60's and 70's. There's no farking reason for the prices of E-cigs to be even close. Now they wanna trump up "safety concerns" because their loosing billions in tax revenue due to people making the switch.
 
2013-07-28 04:49:13 PM

ColdFusion: I smoke, and if you're a smoker who flicks away butts, I don't know what's wrong with you.

I save my butts.  When I feel like saving a few bucks, I wring out the leftover tobacco from them and roll my own.  Can make a pack of handrolls from my leftovers for less than a dollar.  Also shuts up the "zomg you smokers all litter" herp derp when they see you tuck that butt in your pack after putting it out.


Your doing it wrong. Instead of saving a "few" bucks you should cut the cost of your habit by 70% and roll your own. Not only do I only spend 15 bucks a carton (as opposed to 60), I don't have to smoke gross sticky non filtered second hand tobacco. Less chemicals as well.
 
2013-07-28 04:49:27 PM
I once built a small particulate filter from discarded cigarette butts, a la BioDome.  Worked pretty decent, and after a few hundred cubic meters of air filtered, they started to stop smelling like an ashtray.

To the smokers who don't litter, thank you.  Please start barking at the assholes who do.
 
2013-07-28 04:49:41 PM

Sgygus: Go ahead smokers, ignore your health.  That leaves more health for the rest of us.


Nah. Monsanto's going to kill us all.Even if they have to use Black Water to do it.
 
2013-07-28 04:52:01 PM
Come to think of it I'm a producer on a documentary about E-Cigs.  http://wearevapers.com/
 
2013-07-28 04:52:48 PM

ununcle: If the government genuinely cared about peoples health and the burden smokers present to healthcare they'd be handing these things out for free. But no,,, coincidentally, E-ciggs cost about the same as the cancer sticks that corporate farking whores and their government cronies hooked millions of citizens on in the 60's and 70's. There's no farking reason for the prices of E-cigs to be even close. Now they wanna trump up "safety concerns" because their loosing billions in tax revenue due to people making the switch.


The startup cost for your initial equipment is on par with several packs of cigarettes, but refills are a fraction of the price.
 
Esn
2013-07-28 04:57:45 PM

Thirty Foot Smurf: As much as I applaud the obvious and undeniable public health benefit of eliminating tobacco/electronic nicotine use, I am wary of what will take place once the battle against it is won.  There's not going to be a point where the public is "healthy enough" and the efforts to curb "unhealthy" habits will cease.  Something else will be a target, and I'm sure somehow the righteous indignation will still prevail once alcohol becomes demonized as a threat to health and general productivity in the same manner as nicotine products have.

/Really fun at parties
//Tobacco-less since February 6, 2012


Yeah, something else will be a target, but there won't be as many people complaining. I absolutely hate cigarette smoke (including second and third-hand) because some chemical in it makes it very hard for me to breathe. I don't think I'm alone. (pipes, cigars and mini-cigars are actually no problem for me... it's something cigarette-specific)

I think much of the support for banning e-cigs actually comes from the traditional cigarette companies. Subby is dead-wrong; we "health nuts" LOVE it when other people use e-cigs instead of regular cigarettes. And smokers should love it too because it's cheaper and doesn't cause them to stink.
 
2013-07-28 04:59:34 PM
Why don't you just drop smoking and take up injecting heroin directly into your veins?

The tobacco industry doesn't care about tobacco. It's just a delvery-system for a drug. They don't care about the drug either. Any old drug will do, as long as it is addictive. Nicotene is addictive and comes from a plant that can be grown cheaply and picked by the nearest thing to slaves that the governments of Southern States will allow (which is wage-slaves--it took a Civil War but they finally clicked to the idea that wage-slaves and debt-farmers are cheaper than plantations and the other kind of slaves).

In short, everybody, including the e-cigarette manufacturers know and admit that e-cigarettes are the moral equivalent of crack pipes.

ONLY THE DRUGS THAT ARE PROFITABLE TO CORPORATIONS AND OUR MASTERS WHO OWN THEM AND RUN THEM MAY BE ALLOWED.

Once you get right down to brass tacks, tobacco is just crack for the people who used to be sold opium by the US government and the British Crown.

Remember this, smokers: you have nothing to lose but your chain-smoking. All the "cool" and "pleasure" has been sucked out of smoking and you now are just one tiny bit ahead of druggies shooting up--you don't have to search for an uncollapsed vein.
 
2013-07-28 05:03:34 PM
AirForceVet:I agree with you up to a point. I remember having to do details like picking up butts though I was a non-smoker. I remember working my ass off continuously when smokers got periodic breaks to light 'em up and chit-chat.

Ever consider the possibility that they are taking these breaks to get away from YOU?
 
2013-07-28 05:03:47 PM

Z-clipped: A Terrible Human: Z-clipped: This thread clearly separates the "Nazis" from the rest of the people who just don't like having to smell your stink, or pick up your litter.

But I'm a hippy and don't believe in throwing butts on the ground?

That's great.  You're the exception.  Cigarette litter is the most prolific type of litter in the US and worldwide.  It's an enormous problem, and it's not just a small minority of smokers that contribute to it.  Something like 90% of cigarette butts fail to end up in ashtrays and receptacles.


Sounds like a litter problem, not a cigarette problem.
 
2013-07-28 05:07:51 PM

mooseyfate: HighZoolander: But, if the smoke is harmful to the smoker, and other forms of smoke are harmful when you breathe them in (from a wood fire, for example), I'd rather be cautious than carefree. It may be that the dose really matters, and secondhand smoke is too low a dose to be harmful to most people most of the time, but if that's right I wouldn't want to be one of the few people, and if it's wrong then I wouldn't want someone else to make the choice for me as to whether I'm exposed to it.

That's why when I did smoke real cigarettes, I still did my best to not smoke around non-smokers.  But, see, I made that choice all by myself and I didn't need a government body to tell me to do it.  I just naturally thought "It's kind of rude to force people to breath in my second hand smoke when I could just as easily walk about 20 yards that way and not be near anyone."  It had nothing to do with cancer risk or anything, I just wasn't trying to be a rude bastard.  It's bad enough you still smell like smoke when you walk over to rejoin your group, why compound it by making EVERYTHING smell like you?


That's great that you would do that - I certainly appreciate when smokers are considerate, and I know other non-smokers do too. If everyone had done that there would be far fewer problems.  Unfortunately there are so many inconsiderate smokers, including even some who would happily even blow smoke into the face of asthmatic (I've known several), that they ruined things for everyone. And if the government can make noise ordinances or fine people for having too much garbage on their property, I think it's not a different thing to put restrictions on smoking (when and where it's a nuisance to other people; I don't think a blanket ban is reasonable).
 
2013-07-28 05:09:34 PM

brantgoose: Why don't you just drop smoking and take up injecting heroin directly into your veins?

The tobacco industry doesn't care about tobacco. It's just a delvery-system for a drug. They don't care about the drug either. Any old drug will do, as long as it is addictive. Nicotene is addictive and comes from a plant that can be grown cheaply and picked by the nearest thing to slaves that the governments of Southern States will allow (which is wage-slaves--it took a Civil War but they finally clicked to the idea that wage-slaves and debt-farmers are cheaper than plantations and the other kind of slaves).

In short, everybody, including the e-cigarette manufacturers know and admit that e-cigarettes are the moral equivalent of crack pipes.

ONLY THE DRUGS THAT ARE PROFITABLE TO CORPORATIONS AND OUR MASTERS WHO OWN THEM AND RUN THEM MAY BE ALLOWED.

Once you get right down to brass tacks, tobacco is just crack for the people who used to be sold opium by the US government and the British Crown.

Remember this, smokers: you have nothing to lose but your chain-smoking. All the "cool" and "pleasure" has been sucked out of smoking and you now are just one tiny bit ahead of druggies shooting up--you don't have to search for an uncollapsed vein.


If you're not a smoker, I encourage you to pick up the habit because you're way overstressed, boyo.
 
2013-07-28 05:10:11 PM
I have an iTaste (stupid name but great battery) with a nova tank and adapter ring for aesthetics. We have a sudden crop of ecig stores in the DFW area called The Artisan Vapor Company. Great place to sit at the bar and try different flavors of juice, all made in the USA and they taste pretty good, although they only have 39ml size. I've also ordered a sample pack from gingersejuice.com. Very quality blending there. It's easy to avoid the Made in China stuff.
 
2013-07-28 05:11:44 PM
I used to be a very heavy smoker (3 packs a day) but quit overnight once I found a reliable e-cig supplier. That was 4.5 years ago. I'm still as addicted to nicotine as I ever was, but that's all I was ever addicted to about smoking. Nobody gets addicted to the stink, the mess, the dirty ashtrays, or the tar-stained everything associated with cigarettes.

The industry made a huge mistake when it called the device an e-"cig".  I guess they thought the "e" prefix sounded trendy.  If they'd called it a nicotine inhaler, most of this fuss would be avoided. There's also a lack of understanding of how they operate.  I was at my cousin's last month; last time I visited I still smoked. I had an ecig in my pocket, so I demonstrated it with one vape.  His wife said, that's amazing... there's no smell of smoke.  I explained that that was because, well, nothing was on fire.

As for the hotels and rental cars banning you from using ecigs, good luck with enforcing that. Ecig vapor is colorless (when people refer to nicotine-stained fingers, they mean tar-stained) and doesn't cause burn marks or create ashes, so how are they even going to know you used them?  Do they also ban nicotine patches, gum, and nasal inhalers?  It seems inconsistent not to.  I stayed in a Hyatt in a non-smoking room on my trip and vaped away and they never knew. Heck, I brought them with me for an overnight stay in hospital and vaped in the bathroom and nobody was the wiser.

I wish I could quit nic, but I can't. You betcha I've tried, many times. This is a far better alternative than cigarettes.  The downside is that I used to fling a few cartons of cigarettes in with my groceries at the supermarket.  Now I buy the ecigs online from one merchant, and at the end of the year my Amex statement makes me realize just how much my addiction costs.

Despite the occasional animosity in the thread, I found some useful suggestions on buying and dripping my own cartridges, which would be cheaper and also give me more control over where the supply is coming from.  Thanks, subby and tipsters!
 
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