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2013-07-28 12:58:39 PM

skozlaw: Vodka Zombie: You do know that they and other nightshades also contain nicotine, right?

You often vaporize your tomatoes or are you just generally retarded?


Every time you cook them, idiot.  Love the smell of your spaghetti?
 
2013-07-28 12:58:46 PM

supayoda: PC LOAD LETTER: As long as they don't smell and don't fark up my health, have at it. I hate smokers because of what it does to me, not you. I don't care if addicts die from their addiction as long as they take no one with them.

This, pretty much. I'm sure it's better than regular cigs, but I would like to know if whatever vapor is being expelled is still going to be in any way harmful to those around you who might inhale it. Yeah, the smell of a regular cig is annoying, but pleasant-smelling poison isn't any better than stinky poison. Outside of that, I don't care. Put whatever you want in your body so long as I don't have to participate.


The cancer causing agents in second-hand smoke are hundreds of other chemicals and additives that have nothing to do with nicotine.

Plus, the vapor itself dissipates to negligible levels less than 5 feet from the point of exhalation.

Lastly, the only thing in the vapor of note is Vegetable Glycerin.

In short, an e-cig user could blow vapor in your face for hours and there'd be no negative consequences, other than the user's bad breath being in your grill for hours.
 
2013-07-28 12:59:14 PM
I'm not sure what's worse... subby's lack of reading comprehension in the article (which was raising questions about e-cigs, not glowingly supporting them) or the lack of information in the article. There was little talk of the science, no references to sources other than a few doctors sounding off, and positive quotes from Youtube commenters.

That's not even phoning it in. It's more like yelling at the guy in the next room to make a call.
 
2013-07-28 01:00:38 PM

vegas_greaser: katerbug72: vegas_greaser: My job just announced that insurance is going up for tobacco users next year by $150 a month and gave all tobacco users 4 days to quit, so a bunch of people started bringing E-Cigs in and selling them to other employees. Then the company also announced that E-Cigs were also covered under the new rules, and that anyone using an E-Cig would also pay $150 more per month for insurance.
Been a grumpy few weeks at the office.

Well, that's bullshiat. Why lump e-cigs in there?

The company's official explanation was that they were unsure of the safety of e-cigs and that they still included nicotine, and other chemicals and therefore were Tobacco products.


The UC system says the ban is because they are "unregulated".  Only reason.
 
2013-07-28 01:01:46 PM
As much as I applaud the obvious and undeniable public health benefit of eliminating tobacco/electronic nicotine use, I am wary of what will take place once the battle against it is won.  There's not going to be a point where the public is "healthy enough" and the efforts to curb "unhealthy" habits will cease.  Something else will be a target, and I'm sure somehow the righteous indignation will still prevail once alcohol becomes demonized as a threat to health and general productivity in the same manner as nicotine products have.

/Really fun at parties
//Tobacco-less since February 6, 2012
 
2013-07-28 01:02:19 PM

LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.


Just water, nicotine, a vaporizing agent and "flavoring," at least according to the labeling of the e-cig I have.

/Never use it.
 
2013-07-28 01:02:54 PM

Carth: e-cigarettes are already banned in a good number restaurants around me and all car rental/non smoking hotel rooms.

It is time smokers realize it has never been about your health it is about punishing you for your filthy habit. If you want to smoke you can do it outside in the rain 30 feet from the nearest door.


You're full of shiat. Provide names of restaurants and rental car places, I'd love to speak with them personally about this bullshiat claim you're making.

/I use my e-cig EVERYWHERE and have never had anyone do anything beyond asking what it is or if I like it.
//and that's including a court room. In session.
 
2013-07-28 01:03:19 PM
I work for a medical device company and have access to lots of cardiac monitors. When I smoked, my blood pressure ran 160/90. After a week on e-cigs, it was around 110/70, and that's where it has stayed. I have read that so far, the worst thing that can be said about e-cigs is that they can cause pulmonary hypertension during their use - while inhaling and exhaling the vapor. That's probably about as dangerous as GMO fruits and veggies.
 
2013-07-28 01:03:36 PM

zabadu: skozlaw: Vodka Zombie: You do know that they and other nightshades also contain nicotine, right?

You often vaporize your tomatoes or are you just generally retarded?

Every time you cook them, idiot.  Love the smell of your spaghetti?


My personal fave is that someone claiming to be an Air Force Vet is crying about potentially harmful vapor from a freakin' e-cig.

You probably don't want to know the number of mad carcinogens floating in the air around an airport. Lol!
 
2013-07-28 01:06:40 PM

AirForceVet: LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.

Mmmm, emitting a vapor that contains a known drug that has side effects? Yeah, I want that floating around me in an enclosed room. Piss off, addicts.

You should do what heroin addicts do and shoot up quietly in the bathroom stalls or justwear a farkin' patch. Enough with the oral fixations.




Finally!

I can't wait until coffee is banned.

farking addict, using, in public! It's disgusting. Bathroom stall are too good for them.
 
2013-07-28 01:09:00 PM
As a non-smoker, I'm clueless.

I'd like to get my sister an e-cig starter kit, but I have no clue where to start.

Help me out?
 
2013-07-28 01:10:22 PM

Thirty Foot Smurf: As much as I applaud the obvious and undeniable public health benefit of eliminating tobacco/electronic nicotine use, I am wary of what will take place once the battle against it is won.  There's not going to be a point where the public is "healthy enough" and the efforts to curb "unhealthy" habits will cease.  Something else will be a target, and I'm sure somehow the righteous indignation will still prevail once alcohol becomes demonized as a threat to health and general productivity in the same manner as nicotine products have.

/Really fun at parties
//Tobacco-less since February 6, 2012


I think we've already seen the opening shots on what will be the next front for the health crusaders. Junk food. Actually, I figure that is going to be the backdoor by which they'll get back to the issue of alcohol. (The direct route was sort of cut off by the lingering disrepute of Prohibition.)
 
2013-07-28 01:12:53 PM

sendtodave: Militant anti-smokers are bigger douches than smokers.

Cancer beats righteous indignation every time.


Really? How much of your health insurance dollar goes to buy oxygen, chemo, radiation therapy, and ICU time for people who are suffering from being righteously indignant douchenozzles?
 
2013-07-28 01:13:08 PM
These go great with non-alcoholic beer. mock apple pie and kissing your sister..
 
2013-07-28 01:13:54 PM

LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.


You should think long and hard about that part of your statement.
 
2013-07-28 01:16:31 PM
I used a no-nicotene version for 2 months and quit easily after 20 years.
 
2013-07-28 01:17:06 PM
nicotine... idiot.
 
2013-07-28 01:17:51 PM

Infernalist: Dude, you need to relax.  Have a smoke or something.


Thanks for the advice. I was just expressing my strong opinion that people who use ecigarettes shouldn't use them in enclosed rooms. My old man passed from emphysema most unpleasantly after smoking his too short lifetime. Also, I know of people with hypersensitivities that have terrible reactions to certain allergens, like nicotine. As for the possibility of injury from inhaling second-hand nicotine vapor, I'm not aware of any studies saying they're harmful, perfectly safe or in between. Therefore, IMHO, don't use ecigarettes in enclosed rooms and/or facilities. It's not your factless call for others to put up with your vapor, based on your own selfish needs and desires.

Obviously, FusedBox, BraveNewCheneyWorld, et al don't get it. They simply rationalize their poor behavior and manners without facts. I wasn't aware nicotine caused brain damage at higher levels, or they're just so hooked on the drug, which is more likely, they come up with excuses. You know, like alcoholics.

So, to sum my opinion up, don't spread vapors containing any drugs within enclosed rooms. It is not your place to tell other people what they have to inhale, no matter how right you think it is.

Oh, and for our special needs friend, Neomunk, just eat me. ;-)
 
2013-07-28 01:17:51 PM

SecretAgentWoman: As a non-smoker, I'm clueless.

I'd like to get my sister an e-cig starter kit, but I have no clue where to start.

Help me out?


Since the Blu batteries are terrible, I got a couple of Joyetech 510 batteries and a charger. I'd get the automatic batteries if you can find them, but it's not a huge deal.

One of the biggest perks of using the Joye 510 is that it can take the Blu cartridges which are easily available at Walgreens and other places.

I'm getting to the point where I actually prefer the ecig over the regular smokes, and a lot of that is due to the ease of use of the set up I have.
 
2013-07-28 01:19:09 PM

Barfmaker: Why would health nuts, or anyone, give a crap?


Yep. E smoke yourselves to death.
 
2013-07-28 01:20:21 PM

mooseyfate: Carth: e-cigarettes are already banned in a good number restaurants around me and all car rental/non smoking hotel rooms.

It is time smokers realize it has never been about your health it is about punishing you for your filthy habit. If you want to smoke you can do it outside in the rain 30 feet from the nearest door.

You're full of shiat. Provide names of restaurants and rental car places, I'd love to speak with them personally about this bullshiat claim you're making.

/I use my e-cig EVERYWHERE and have never had anyone do anything beyond asking what it is or if I like it.
//and that's including a court room. In session.


car2go has it right on their website, zipcar will say no ecigs when you call. Hilton won't let you use any smoking devices which include ecigs in any of their non smoking rooms.
 
2013-07-28 01:20:57 PM

SecretAgentWoman: As a non-smoker, I'm clueless.

I'd like to get my sister an e-cig starter kit, but I have no clue where to start.

Help me out?


Well, if you've read this thread, you're an asshole and should just kill yourself. If you haven't read this thread, most Blu is a pretty popular brand though I've never tried their flavores. NJoy is another. I use V2, but ever since they replaced their classic methol flavor with a new on that has a hot sauce after-taste, I'm considering changing brands. The quest for the perfect menthol flavor has begun.
 
2013-07-28 01:21:46 PM
I don't even care. Let them smoke them, if that's what it takes. I'd rather they do that, than have to walk through their reeking clouds, or be forced to share a conference room with them stinking like an ashtray. A few officemates smoke the e-cigs and it doesn't bother me in the least. Do some research and find out if bystanders are susceptible to the effluent, and I'll save a little rage for that, if the results warrant it.  What I care about is, when it affects me because I have to pay for their stupid diabetic amputations or lung biopsies or oxygen tents. Or walking through aforementioned noxious clouds. If they could keep it to themselves by forming their own health insurance pool with their own dollars, or not reek up my areas, I'd be all good with however they want to do themselves in.

/25 year smoker, 1 to 3 packs a day, nothing I say here that I didn't agree with while I smoked.
 
2013-07-28 01:21:58 PM
media.npr.org Hi I'm a huge douche that's easily influenced by mass marketing from big cooperations. My hobbies include talking/texting on my cell phone while in a movie theater and playing my ipod at full volume so everybody around me can hear my shiatty music.
 
2013-07-28 01:22:19 PM

AirForceVet: Infernalist: Dude, you need to relax.  Have a smoke or something.

Thanks for the advice. I was just expressing my strong opinion that people who use ecigarettes shouldn't use them in enclosed rooms. My old man passed from emphysema most unpleasantly after smoking his too short lifetime. Also, I know of people with hypersensitivities that have terrible reactions to certain allergens, like nicotine. As for the possibility of injury from inhaling second-hand nicotine vapor, I'm not aware of any studies saying they're harmful, perfectly safe or in between. Therefore, IMHO, don't use ecigarettes in enclosed rooms and/or facilities. It's not your factless call for others to put up with your vapor, based on your own selfish needs and desires.

Obviously, FusedBox, BraveNewCheneyWorld, et al don't get it. They simply rationalize their poor behavior and manners without facts. I wasn't aware nicotine caused brain damage at higher levels, or they're just so hooked on the drug, which is more likely, they come up with excuses. You know, like alcoholics.

So, to sum my opinion up, don't spread vapors containing any drugs within enclosed rooms. It is not your place to tell other people what they have to inhale, no matter how right you think it is.

Oh, and for our special needs friend, Neomunk, just eat me. ;-)


How do you feel about people exhaling carbon dioxide into enclosed rooms?
 
2013-07-28 01:22:58 PM

mooseyfate: The quest for the perfect menthol flavor has begun.


Don't know about perfect, but it's pretty damn good.
 
2013-07-28 01:24:05 PM

Carth: mooseyfate: Carth: e-cigarettes are already banned in a good number restaurants around me and all car rental/non smoking hotel rooms.

It is time smokers realize it has never been about your health it is about punishing you for your filthy habit. If you want to smoke you can do it outside in the rain 30 feet from the nearest door.

You're full of shiat. Provide names of restaurants and rental car places, I'd love to speak with them personally about this bullshiat claim you're making.

/I use my e-cig EVERYWHERE and have never had anyone do anything beyond asking what it is or if I like it.
//and that's including a court room. In session.

car2go has it right on their website, zipcar will say no ecigs when you call. Hilton won't let you use any smoking devices which include ecigs in any of their non smoking rooms.




Who is going to tell Hilton? You also aren't supposed to smoke weed out of their apples.
 
2013-07-28 01:24:17 PM

Shadowknight: LadyHawke: Can you stay in a hotel when visiting?  Yeah, it may piss her off, but she's the one who chose cigarettes over you and the family.

For a whole month?  No, not really an option.  Too damn expensive,and kind of defeats the purpose of coming from the other side of the ocean to let the grandkids see their grandparents.  

My dad and her husband of 33 years just died two months ago from some mystery infection we still haven't figured out, so we're not really pushing the "quitting smoking" thing real hard right now.  When the summer is up, we'll have that talk,  but for now we don't want to add any extra stress to her.


She may surprise you. My parents were militant smokers of 40+ years. We were the kids choking in the backseat, begging them to roll down a window. (pre-seat belt laws too. It's a wonder we survived.) Dad is retired military and it was his right, as red-blooded, tax-paying, war-fighting American to smoke. He came out triple bypass #1 asking for a cigarette. When the nurses told him he couldn't smoke in the hospital he reminded them he was paying for the room and he'd smoke a pack at a time if he wanted. (and he did ... smoke in the hospital ...)

Anyway, he and mom quit 3 years ago. Didn't tell anyone. Didn't make a big deal about it. Just quit. No health scare, no major trauma. They just decided to quit. Both say there is no way they'd go back to smoking again. I'm still amazed.
 
2013-07-28 01:25:12 PM

Vodka Zombie: Tell me again who it is who is "generally retarded?"


That would be the guy comparing his tomato sauce to cigarettes. Do try to keep up. Although, at least you have company.

zabadu: Every time you cook them, idiot. Love the smell of your spaghetti?


/ although I suppose I should keep an open mind, maybe your tomato sauce is just really terrible
 
2013-07-28 01:25:16 PM

Vodka Zombie: You probably don't want to know the number of mad carcinogens floating in the air around an airport. Lol!


I mostly hung around air bases, air force bases, air stations, army forts, army camps, navy air stations, navy bases, fleet training centers over my previous career.

As for carcinogens, we began getting hazardous communications training about halfway through my bit. So that helped make us more aware of chemical hazards beyond NBC stuff.

You sound very ignorant about military service. Are you still in middle school?
 
2013-07-28 01:25:36 PM

AirForceVet: Infernalist: Dude, you need to relax.  Have a smoke or something.

Thanks for the advice. I was just expressing my strong opinion that people who use ecigarettes shouldn't use them in enclosed rooms. My old man passed from emphysema most unpleasantly after smoking his too short lifetime. Also, I know of people with hypersensitivities that have terrible reactions to certain allergens, like nicotine. As for the possibility of injury from inhaling second-hand nicotine vapor, I'm not aware of any studies saying they're harmful, perfectly safe or in between. Therefore, IMHO, don't use ecigarettes in enclosed rooms and/or facilities. It's not your factless call for others to put up with your vapor, based on your own selfish needs and desires.

Obviously, FusedBox, BraveNewCheneyWorld, et al don't get it. They simply rationalize their poor behavior and manners without facts. I wasn't aware nicotine caused brain damage at higher levels, or they're just so hooked on the drug, which is more likely, they come up with excuses. You know, like alcoholics.

So, to sum my opinion up, don't spread vapors containing any drugs within enclosed rooms. It is not your place to tell other people what they have to inhale, no matter how right you think it is.

Oh, and for our special needs friend, Neomunk, just eat me. ;-)


Mine are nic free. And I bet you've unknowingly inhaled unfathomable micrograms of of ecig vapor with no ill effect. The exhaled byproduct is water vapor. The impact on the air you breathe is so negligilble, that its likely unmeasurable.

I believe the lives being saved by these devices far far far out weighs the indulgence of your hypochondria and authoritarianism. And if you're that sensitive to things in the air, you likely already live in a plastic bubble, pussy.
 
2013-07-28 01:26:27 PM

mooseyfate: The quest for the perfect menthol flavor has begun.


Try Logic.  That's what I used and they were pretty good.
 
2013-07-28 01:27:26 PM

DubyaHater: I don't know much about the e-cigs and I certainly DNRTFA. I would think an e-cig habit is rather cost prohibitive. My guess is a pack of e-cigs cost 10x a pack of cigarettes.


There are disposable e-cigs out there, and yeah, they'd be expensive to use with any regularity.  Refillable ones are far, far cheaper than cigarettes for someone with a significant habit.
 
2013-07-28 01:28:08 PM

AirForceVet: Infernalist: Dude, you need to relax.  Have a smoke or something.

Thanks for the advice. I was just expressing my strong opinion that people who use ecigarettes shouldn't use them in enclosed rooms. My old man passed from emphysema most unpleasantly after smoking his too short lifetime. Also, I know of people with hypersensitivities that have terrible reactions to certain allergens, like nicotine. As for the possibility of injury from inhaling second-hand nicotine vapor, I'm not aware of any studies saying they're harmful, perfectly safe or in between. Therefore, IMHO, don't use ecigarettes in enclosed rooms and/or facilities. It's not your factless call for others to put up with your vapor, based on your own selfish needs and desires.

Obviously, FusedBox, BraveNewCheneyWorld, et al don't get it. They simply rationalize their poor behavior and manners without facts. I wasn't aware nicotine caused brain damage at higher levels, or they're just so hooked on the drug, which is more likely, they come up with excuses. You know, like alcoholics.

So, to sum my opinion up, don't spread vapors containing any drugs within enclosed rooms. It is not your place to tell other people what they have to inhale, no matter how right you think it is.

Oh, and for our special needs friend, Neomunk, just eat me. ;-)


So you're saying that if a study came out tomorrow that stated very clearly that e-cigs posed practically 0 health risk to anyone around the smoker, let alone the smoker themself, you'd rescend this opinion? Because I doubt it. Although now I am curious: do you feel this way about everything? Or just e-cigs? Do you slap bottles of cleaning solution out of a janitor's hand because someone might potentially be allergic to whatever is inside? Do you demand that all of the particle-board in your work places, restaurants, etc. be torn out and replaced with something that doesn't contain formaldehyde? How far do you take this attitude of protecting others from harm, regardless of how finite or unlikely that harm must be? Honest question, since the thought of someone exhaling more water vapor than usual is terrifying to you.
 
2013-07-28 01:28:54 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: I work for a medical device company and have access to lots of cardiac monitors. When I smoked, my blood pressure ran 160/90. After a week on e-cigs, it was around 110/70, and that's where it has stayed. I have read that so far, the worst thing that can be said about e-cigs is that they can cause pulmonary hypertension during their use - while inhaling and exhaling the vapor. That's probably about as dangerous as GMO fruits and veggies.


That's interesting although not a statistically significant sample.  Hopefully research will be done to give us a better comparison of the health risks of smoking, vaping, and total abstinence from both.

I've known smoking was bad all my life, but I still started smoking anyway.  While the message that smoking was "bad" took, the idea of addiction did not.  When I was in my 20s, I figured if I hadn't quit by the time I turned 30 I would do it then.  It turned out to not be as simple as just deciding to quit.

Even just telling people in their teens or 20s that it's really hard to quit doesn't get the idea across especially when at that age you think you can do just about anything.

Oh, and as an aside I meant to mention this earlier but forgot.  I saw Andrew Dice Clay on Tavis Smiley the other night and although he didn't puff on it during his interview he was holding an e-cig the whole time.  I thought that was kind of interesting.  It made me wonder why he just couldn't put it in his pocket if he wasn't going to use it.  Then again he was also wearing some fingerless gloves which I guess is part of his image or something.
 
2013-07-28 01:29:32 PM

AirForceVet: Infernalist: Dude, you need to relax.  Have a smoke or something.

Thanks for the advice. I was just expressing my strong opinion that people who use ecigarettes shouldn't use them in enclosed rooms. My old man passed from emphysema most unpleasantly after smoking his too short lifetime. Also, I know of people with hypersensitivities that have terrible reactions to certain allergens, like nicotine. As for the possibility of injury from inhaling second-hand nicotine vapor, I'm not aware of any studies saying they're harmful, perfectly safe or in between. Therefore, IMHO, don't use ecigarettes in enclosed rooms and/or facilities. It's not your factless call for others to put up with your vapor, based on your own selfish needs and desires.

Obviously, FusedBox, BraveNewCheneyWorld, et al don't get it. They simply rationalize their poor behavior and manners without facts. I wasn't aware nicotine caused brain damage at higher levels, or they're just so hooked on the drug, which is more likely, they come up with excuses. You know, like alcoholics.

So, to sum my opinion up, don't spread vapors containing any drugs within enclosed rooms. It is not your place to tell other people what they have to inhale, no matter how right you think it is.

Oh, and for our special needs friend, Neomunk, just eat me. ;-)


Excuse me? We brought the facts, you brought the ad-hominem. My turn: you're an ignorant farking douchenozzle; if you're going to look down your nose at us, at least have a reason why. Yes, we developed a nasty habit, but here's a solution that has worked for us and is believed by many experts to be safer, and my most of the population to be less obnoxious.

Get a life dude, and let us live ours.
 
2013-07-28 01:30:00 PM

Nabb1: Smoke up and die, already, before universal healthcare comes along and makes us all pay for your stupidity.

/Quit twelve years ago.


Couple of things:
1) So you've already damaged your health by smoking. Do you voluntarily pay more into the system to cover that?
2) You could use this logic with every aspect of lifestyle. Where do you draw the line at which it is OK for one to be living a lifestyle that is more costly to society than another? You know, prior to the point where we're all eating tofu and locked in padded underground rooms.

/don't smoke
//find the anti-smoking crowd 1000x more annoying than the smokers
 
2013-07-28 01:31:05 PM

Infernalist: but don't expect people to be able to tell the difference between cigs and e-cigs.


All they need to do is make e-cigs look like other familiar items.  My friend is a bartender, and he gets away with vaping THC all night at work because his vaporizer looks like a pen.

Mnemia: The one issue I might have with these things is that they obviously are still addictive, since they deliver nicotine. So the question is whether they are actually going to be effective long term in helping people quit.


Who the hell cares if people addict themselves to nicotine?  As long as they don't spread stinky, harmful smoke all over the place, and litter butts everywhere they go like unconscionable children, let them have all the e-cigs they want.
 
2013-07-28 01:33:23 PM

Carth: mooseyfate: Carth: e-cigarettes are already banned in a good number restaurants around me and all car rental/non smoking hotel rooms.

It is time smokers realize it has never been about your health it is about punishing you for your filthy habit. If you want to smoke you can do it outside in the rain 30 feet from the nearest door.

You're full of shiat. Provide names of restaurants and rental car places, I'd love to speak with them personally about this bullshiat claim you're making.

/I use my e-cig EVERYWHERE and have never had anyone do anything beyond asking what it is or if I like it.
//and that's including a court room. In session.

car2go has it right on their website, zipcar will say no ecigs when you call. Hilton won't let you use any smoking devices which include ecigs in any of their non smoking rooms.


I'd like to apologize, I hadn't read through the rest of the thread when I responded to your post. I had no idea the rest of the world was doing this. I live in Louisiana and have never been asked to stop using my e-cig anywhere. I've never seen signs posted anywhere that prohibit e-cig use or seen rental car agencies prohibiting it either. I've also never seen it anywhere on the Gulf Coast, even in hospitals or government buildings. The concept of an e-cig being considered the same thing as a regular cigarette is still unheard down here. Wow. That's still pretty unbelievable.
 
2013-07-28 01:34:36 PM

Infernalist: How do you feel about people exhaling carbon dioxide into enclosed rooms?


No problemo as long as it's not an oxygen-deficient place. Some places I've worked required oxygen masks and other life support gear. due to altitude, confined spaces like underground tunnels or places where oxygen is replaced by other gases like carbon dioxide, nitrogen, etc. Space launch complexes (SLCs) are dangerous about that, among many other things. They keep oxygen monitors around SLCs so you know what you might walk into by accident.
 
2013-07-28 01:37:06 PM

cman: Why should anyone care if I put nicotine, or THC, or even a dick in my own colon? Its my farking body.


Here. Sign this disclaimer that you won't use Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security to support yourself after you wind up farking up your farking body.
 
2013-07-28 01:38:21 PM

boinkingbill: Every time I see someone, male or female, smoking an e-cigarette the phrase:  "Total Dweep" comes to mind.  I always wonder, "Do they put water in a beer class and pretend that they are drinking beer?"


Is it water with alcohol in it? Because otherwise that's a stupid comparison
 
2013-07-28 01:42:08 PM
Ok all you "we should ban everything besides eating green vegtables while wrapped in bubble wrap with a bicycle helmet on because of healthcare costs" types I have a question for you, anal sex spreads STDs easier than vaginal and there is how many brazilians of dollars spent on caring for peoplenwith AIDs and the like.... So should we reinstate anti sodomy laws because of the health care costs of STDs?
 
2013-07-28 01:42:34 PM

verbivore: I don't even care. Let them smoke them, if that's what it takes. I'd rather they do that, than have to walk through their reeking clouds, or be forced to share a conference room with them stinking like an ashtray. A few officemates smoke the e-cigs and it doesn't bother me in the least. Do some research and find out if bystanders are susceptible to the effluent, and I'll save a little rage for that, if the results warrant it.  What I care about is, when it affects me because I have to pay for their stupid diabetic amputations or lung biopsies or oxygen tents. Or walking through aforementioned noxious clouds. If they could keep it to themselves by forming their own health insurance pool with their own dollars, or not reek up my areas, I'd be all good with however they want to do themselves in.

/25 year smoker, 1 to 3 packs a day, nothing I say here that I didn't agree with while I smoked.


Well then, please ask people to stop having children, as I don't want to pay for the kids who are damaged from birth or have genetic diseases.  Or the broken bones from falling out of trees, or falling off their bikes.  Or tell people to stop getting old, as broken hips cost me money too.  Nobody can drive either, as traffic collisions cost me insurance dollars too.  Or those people who use oxygen.  Because those things can blow up and cost me in homeowners insurance if they live next to me.  And turn down your ipod, because you need a hearing aid, that'll cost me cash too.

No barbeques either.  I don't want to breath that charcoal and lighter fluid.
 
2013-07-28 01:43:26 PM
I don't have a problem with e-cigs, if the manufacturers are producing a safe product.  Now, I've heard that they come in flavors, and I am not real thrilled about the thought of having cheap cherry and vanilla smells in the place where I am trying to eat.  That would be as annoying as the leather bag looking smokers who try to drown out the nasty smoking smell by wearing way too much cheap perfume.
 
2013-07-28 01:43:29 PM

Dr J Zoidberg: boinkingbill: Every time I see someone, male or female, smoking an e-cigarette the phrase:  "Total Dweep" comes to mind.  I always wonder, "Do they put water in a beer class and pretend that they are drinking beer?"

Is it water with alcohol in it? Because otherwise that's a stupid comparison


I used to have people in public telling me that they think e-cigs make you look stupid. It's totally irrelevant; it's healthier and more convenient to you and those around you. People that are quick to judge are great because you know that's one less person you don't need to associate with.
 
2013-07-28 01:43:33 PM

Oldiron_79: Ok all you "we should ban everything besides eating green vegtables while wrapped in bubble wrap with a bicycle helmet on because of healthcare costs" types


You do realize that had tobacco cigarettes not been grandfathered in by the FDA, they never would have been approved for commercial sale with what is known today right?
 
2013-07-28 01:44:00 PM

SpaceBison: [media.npr.org image 764x429] Hi I'm a huge douche that's easily influenced by mass marketing from big cooperations. My hobbies include talking/texting on my cell phone while in a movie theater and playing my ipod at full volume so everybody around me can hear my shiatty music.


I was looking for his picture. What the hell has he been in for the last several years? Honestly, all I can recall recently was Blade 1, and that's not very recent at all. Was Christian Slater busy?
 
2013-07-28 01:44:14 PM

FuzedBox: Get a life dude, and let us live ours.


See, here's the problem. For the last 40 years that's all I really wanted from YOU. I don't care what you do in your house. I don't care what you do to yourself. That's not my business.

But you MADE it my business by dragging me into it when you started throwing that shiat out the window on the road, or dumping the ashes everywhere or, most importantly, blowing your shiat around in public.

So now my one and only attitude toward you is you can FOAD. I'll support bans against what you do purely out of spite at this point because for forty years you couldn't be even remotely respectful.

Don't like it?

Fark off.
 
2013-07-28 01:44:47 PM
Anyone have e-cig recommendations? Also where they get they liquid.
I've got an EGO-C and it seems very finicky. (This is after priming) Sometimes I get a smooth vape, other times I get a harsh vape.
I get my liquid from freedomsmokes which is not bad but would like to try other places.
 
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