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2013-07-28 12:22:45 PM  

gfid: Uranus Is Huge!: Reputable brands list their ingredients. Many people also mix their own.

Citation needed.

Really, just give us one example.  All the flavored e-liquids?  They only say how much nicotine is in them and whether it's PG or VG from what I've seen.  I suggested to one supplier that they might want to offer a non-flavored e-juice.  They seemed surprised.  WTF do they think people are using it for?  I'd bet most of us are just nicotine junkies and could give a flying fark about the taste which is probably mostly benzene anyway.


You haven't looked hard enough; it's very easy to find unflavored PG and nicotine base. Also, the more reputable vendors DO label their ingredients.

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2013-07-28 12:23:23 PM  

rga184: Infernalist: gfid: Saberus Terras: Plastered all over the package was the promise that you could vap anywhere, anytime, since it's not a cigarette.  We went to a restaurant for our anniversary and she brought it with her, and she had it out when our waitress came to get drink orders, waitress said there was no smoking allowed, wife told her it wasn't smoke, just water vapor.  Waitress talks to manager, manager comes out with "I don't care if it farts gold dust, you will not smoke that in here."

I have no problem with that.  Their restaurant, their rules.  And just because some company puts something on their product doesn't mean it carries the weight of law.

This is what really gets me about the e-cig fanatics.  "Oh, it's just water vapor".  Oh really?  Then why is it delivering nicotine too?  And how do you know it's not also delivering a thousand other chemicals directly to your lungs?

"Well, the company who makes them said so!"

Because a lot of people out there aren't farking retarded and understand how to take samples of something and learn what exactly is in it.

You have an HPLC machine in your house or something. I know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, but I certainly don't have the equipment to do that at home. Do you propose the average e-cig smoker does?


No, but I do have this thing called the 'personal computer' and I use it to great benefit.  You should consider googling that shiat.
 
2013-07-28 12:23:30 PM  

LittleSmitty: My company recently went with a no smoking policy. As in zero tolerance, E-cigs included. They were letting people smoke the e-cigs inside prior to the no smoking policy. Now there is no smoking on the property, period.

This of course drives the smokers nuts. They planned on getting in their cars and driving around the block on breaks and at lunch. Much to their chagrin, the company also instituted two additional policies. No leaving the property. They can get away with this because they started paying us for our lunch break, so no leaving the property when you are on the clock. The other policy is no going outside without managerial permission. You can go get something from your car, but the supervisor has to OK it and will watch you.

So now they hide their E-cigs and sneak around the plant, smoking behind various equipment. It's funny to watch


I'm not a smoker and I hate smoke in my face but holy shiat who would want to work for that kind of company? All of the factories and hospitals in my town are switching to no smoking on the property- but all of the workers are allowed to walk off the property and smoke on breaks. Plus the hospitals (maybe factories too, but I'm not sure) offered real smoking cessation programs.

Congratulations to all the quitters and I don't hate you to all of the smokers- Christ we all have bad habits and as long as you aren't flicking butts everywhere (which I don't really notice anymore now that there are butt disposal things everywhere) yours don't affect me.
 
2013-07-28 12:25:20 PM  

AirForceVet: LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.

Mmmm, emitting a vapor that contains a known drug that has side effects? Yeah, I want that floating around me in an enclosed room. Piss off, addicts.

You should do what heroin addicts do and shoot up quietly in the bathroom stalls or justwear a farkin' patch. Enough with the oral fixations.


Ya know, a person with an oral fixation is far FAR preferable to an asshole with an authoritarian complex.

Just saying, mind your own business Nancy, no one is hurting you.  The only thing you're going to get from e-cig vapor is a mighty case of the vapors.  So go lay down on your fainting couch in a corner somewhere and STFU.
 
2013-07-28 12:26:57 PM  
I make my own juice. I make my own coils.
There HAVE been serious studies done.

My favorite anti-e-cig report was the doctor that said the coils heat up to thousands of degrees. He was forced to admit that was retarded.
 
2013-07-28 12:27:31 PM  

LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.


It's not. They still contain the same carcinogens, per the FDA.
 
2013-07-28 12:28:42 PM  

cman: Why should anyone care if I put nicotine, or THC, or even a dick in my own colon? Its my farking body.


As long as you're putting it in your own body and not mine against my will, go nuts.
 
2013-07-28 12:29:17 PM  

meanmutton: LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.

It's not. They still contain the same carcinogens, per the FDA.


You are a liar.
 
2013-07-28 12:29:25 PM  

meanmutton: LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.

It's not. They still contain the same carcinogens, per the FDA.


You're a farking moron.
 
2013-07-28 12:29:52 PM  
Best of all, I can fart everywhere and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.
 
2013-07-28 12:30:31 PM  

s2s2s2: I make my own juice. I make my own coils.
There HAVE been serious studies done.

My favorite anti-e-cig report was the doctor that said the coils heat up to thousands of degrees. He was forced to admit that was retarded.


I also build RBAs. The thought of 28 or 32 gauge kanthal wire heating up to thousands of degrees without breaking is laughable.
 
2013-07-28 12:31:40 PM  

meanmutton: LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.

It's not. They still contain the same carcinogens, per the FDA.


Proof that you are a liar
 
2013-07-28 12:31:50 PM  
The only drawback I see to e-cigs is a lot less smokers will go outside to smoke.  The reduction in fresh air, sunshine, and social mingling with strangers will be greatly missed.

/non-smoker
//Always hangs out with the smokers outside
 
2013-07-28 12:32:24 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Don't taunt them, subby.  Enough people are already inclined to try to further control the sale of ecigs.


More precisely, many in government are aghast at the thought of anything that is at least marginally addictive not be subject to excessive fees and excise taxes. To put it more simply "Won't someone think of the lost revenue and the children and the lost revenue?"

As long as the e-cig makers refrain from advertising their product as a smoking cessation aid, the FDA doesn't have grounds to regulate their product. 2 1/2 years ago my wife and I went from 3 pack a day smokers to full-time e-cig users. At this point, a dozen atomizer/nicotine cartridges for about $45.00 will get us through around 4 months. Just compare 4 x 30 days of $7.00 + tax per pack x 3 packs. (120 x $7.21 x 3 = $2,595.00) Add $5.00 worth of disposable lighters and you end up comparing $2,600 versus less than $50 with a huge chunk of that 2.6 grand being state & federal taxes.
 
2013-07-28 12:33:35 PM  

FuzedBox: Saberus Terras: Just watch, the tobacco lobbyists will feed your politicians rigged studies showing how e-cigs are dangerous to their users and somehow to bystanders, then blam, even stricter regulations on e-cigs than ol' tabacco.

And good luck trying to vap anywhere that's non-smoking.  Restauranteurs, receptionists, office managers... not a single one of them will care, it looks like a cig, so it's a cig.  Even if they did, they know that some dipshiat patron won't know the difference and will raise unholy hell over it, so they won't let you.

It's kind of hard to create propaganda against vaping; vapor is proven to be healthier than smoke, the liquid only contains FDA approved falvoring, PG (propylene glycol; used in asthma inhalers), VG (vegetable glycerin; can be mixed in variable ratios to PG. I prefer no VG), and a choice of nicotine content upon purchase.

I don't know if this is true or not, but I heard the Blu is now partnered with RJ Reynolds. If anything, big tobacco wants in.


Blu was bought out by Lorillard, but yeah, I think the big boys want in.
 
2013-07-28 12:35:08 PM  
I think these e-cigarettes are a great idea though I question the wisdom of where some people order their nicotine from. A guy a work has it delivered from China for example. Who knows what the hell is in that crap. He could be swapping one carcinogen delivery mechanism for another.
 
2013-07-28 12:35:19 PM  

Ungarlmek: I'm using my vapor kit right now. It's fantastic.


Does it have the same "flavor" as a regular cig?  Thinking about getting one.
 
2013-07-28 12:36:17 PM  

advex101: So, no one has figured out how to use e-cigs as an illegal drug delivery system?  America, I am disappoint.


My local dispensary sells them.
 
2013-07-28 12:37:04 PM  

gfid: Uranus Is Huge!: Reputable brands list their ingredients. Many people also mix their own.

Citation needed.

Really, just give us one example.  All the flavored e-liquids?  They only say how much nicotine is in them and whether it's PG or VG from what I've seen.  I suggested to one supplier that they might want to offer a non-flavored e-juice.  They seemed surprised.  WTF do they think people are using it for?  I'd bet most of us are just nicotine junkies and could give a flying fark about the taste which is probably mostly benzene anyway.


My brand: PDF
 
2013-07-28 12:37:20 PM  

Spanky McStupid: Ungarlmek: I'm using my vapor kit right now. It's fantastic.

Does it have the same "flavor" as a regular cig?  Thinking about getting one.


You just stumbled onto the proverbial Achilles Heel of vaping; very few tobacco flavors are any good. I found a few that I liked, chief among them being 'Tobacco Pure' from Volcano. The problem with Volcano is that their juices are kinda pricey.
 
2013-07-28 12:37:25 PM  
 Oh no, don't worry no one really cares if you want to die a slow painful death. It's only when we have to put up with the smoke from that process. other than that? go ahead knock yourself out... and don't smoke around the oxygen bottle.
 
2013-07-28 12:38:52 PM  
This thread ia Big Ol Bad O Dicks.
 
2013-07-28 12:38:57 PM  

Infernalist: rga184: Infernalist: gfid: Saberus Terras: Plastered all over the package was the promise that you could vap anywhere, anytime, since it's not a cigarette.  We went to a restaurant for our anniversary and she brought it with her, and she had it out when our waitress came to get drink orders, waitress said there was no smoking allowed, wife told her it wasn't smoke, just water vapor.  Waitress talks to manager, manager comes out with "I don't care if it farts gold dust, you will not smoke that in here."

I have no problem with that.  Their restaurant, their rules.  And just because some company puts something on their product doesn't mean it carries the weight of law.

This is what really gets me about the e-cig fanatics.  "Oh, it's just water vapor".  Oh really?  Then why is it delivering nicotine too?  And how do you know it's not also delivering a thousand other chemicals directly to your lungs?

"Well, the company who makes them said so!"

Because a lot of people out there aren't farking retarded and understand how to take samples of something and learn what exactly is in it.

You have an HPLC machine in your house or something. I know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, but I certainly don't have the equipment to do that at home. Do you propose the average e-cig smoker does?

No, but I do have this thing called the 'personal computer' and I use it to great benefit.  You should consider googling that shiat.


I see, your tone implied that if you don't understand how to take samples of something you're "farking retarded", so I assumed you were implying that YOU knew how to do that and so did non "farking retarded" e-cig users. My mistake.

On the other hand, you understand that if you don't know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, you're calling yourself farking retarded too, right? You should have just written that there's people out there who are not farking retarded who know how to google shiat to find out what's in it.
 
2013-07-28 12:39:18 PM  
There's a lot of misconceptions by people who dont vape about what is in the liquid... I've even had someone indignantly tell me they were allergic; you can imagine my incredulity when I told them it was Vegetable Glycerin and if they were rocking an allergy to that, they weren't long for this world. Some people just want attention...


BUT there is a problem with people vaping mystery liquid. I get my juice at a shop where anyone can watch them make it. They list the ingredients on every bottle.

Hell, the stuff is stone simple, you can just make it yourself... but like most conveniences, people are willing to pay. Just know where you're getting your stuff. This is basic, common sense, that people apply rigorously to everything else. You wouldn't buy a can of soda that doesn't have ingredients listed on it... I don't know why you wouldn't police to the same level something you're going to breath.

Not to shill, but I'm a big fan of The Vapor Trail, but for full fairness there's like 3-6 other Vape shops in my city... so yeah.
 
2013-07-28 12:39:47 PM  

rga184: Infernalist: rga184: Infernalist: gfid: Saberus Terras: Plastered all over the package was the promise that you could vap anywhere, anytime, since it's not a cigarette.  We went to a restaurant for our anniversary and she brought it with her, and she had it out when our waitress came to get drink orders, waitress said there was no smoking allowed, wife told her it wasn't smoke, just water vapor.  Waitress talks to manager, manager comes out with "I don't care if it farts gold dust, you will not smoke that in here."

I have no problem with that.  Their restaurant, their rules.  And just because some company puts something on their product doesn't mean it carries the weight of law.

This is what really gets me about the e-cig fanatics.  "Oh, it's just water vapor".  Oh really?  Then why is it delivering nicotine too?  And how do you know it's not also delivering a thousand other chemicals directly to your lungs?

"Well, the company who makes them said so!"

Because a lot of people out there aren't farking retarded and understand how to take samples of something and learn what exactly is in it.

You have an HPLC machine in your house or something. I know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, but I certainly don't have the equipment to do that at home. Do you propose the average e-cig smoker does?

No, but I do have this thing called the 'personal computer' and I use it to great benefit.  You should consider googling that shiat.

I see, your tone implied that if you don't understand how to take samples of something you're "farking retarded", so I assumed you were implying that YOU knew how to do that and so did non "farking retarded" e-cig users. My mistake.

On the other hand, you understand that if you don't know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, you're calling yourself farking retarded too, right? You should have just written that there's people out there who are not farking retarded who know how to google shiat to find out what's ...


How's that googling working out for you?
 
2013-07-28 12:39:48 PM  

Sinclair.laker: Relatively Obscure: Don't taunt them, subby.  Enough people are already inclined to try to further control the sale of ecigs.

THIS - 100 times THIS...

The Airlines have already jumped on the "It's just like smoking!" bandwagon...


For chrissake, just palm the damn thing and discretely inhale. Hold your breath so that there's no cloud of vapor from an immediate exhalation. There is no real smoke - no one can smell anything. Who is going to rat you out? (Especially if you get a 'stealth" version that doesn't light up.)
 
2013-07-28 12:42:47 PM  

23FPB23: This thread is Big Ol Bag O Dicks.



FTFM

/need refills for my e-cig
 
2013-07-28 12:45:05 PM  
Pussies, I went cold turkey 1st attempt.
 
2013-07-28 12:45:18 PM  

The_Time_Master: Carth: e-cigarettes are already banned in a good number restaurants around me and all car rental/non smoking hotel rooms.

It is time smokers realize it has never been about your health it is about punishing you for your filthy habit. If you want to smoke you can do it outside in the rain 30 feet from the nearest door.

Except that smoking eCigs has no smell, no residue, and leaves no filth like second-hand smoke.

Nice troll attempt.


Which is why it is ridiculous they are banning them in so many places.

Maybe you need to get your sarcasm detector calibrated.
 
2013-07-28 12:45:39 PM  
I've been on e-cigs for over three years now, and I've been off nicotine completely for over a year. Yes, I'm still vaping at 0 nic. I guess I just really like putting things in my mouth to suck on.

lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-07-28 12:46:30 PM  

belhade: I've been on e-cigs for over three years now, and I've been off nicotine completely for over a year. Yes, I'm still vaping at 0 nic. I guess I just really like putting things in my mouth to suck on.

[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 800x452]


"That's what she said."
 
2013-07-28 12:46:45 PM  

Infernalist: rga184: Infernalist: rga184: Infernalist: gfid: Saberus Terras: Plastered all over the package was the promise that you could vap anywhere, anytime, since it's not a cigarette.  We went to a restaurant for our anniversary and she brought it with her, and she had it out when our waitress came to get drink orders, waitress said there was no smoking allowed, wife told her it wasn't smoke, just water vapor.  Waitress talks to manager, manager comes out with "I don't care if it farts gold dust, you will not smoke that in here."

I have no problem with that.  Their restaurant, their rules.  And just because some company puts something on their product doesn't mean it carries the weight of law.

This is what really gets me about the e-cig fanatics.  "Oh, it's just water vapor".  Oh really?  Then why is it delivering nicotine too?  And how do you know it's not also delivering a thousand other chemicals directly to your lungs?

"Well, the company who makes them said so!"

Because a lot of people out there aren't farking retarded and understand how to take samples of something and learn what exactly is in it.

You have an HPLC machine in your house or something. I know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, but I certainly don't have the equipment to do that at home. Do you propose the average e-cig smoker does?

No, but I do have this thing called the 'personal computer' and I use it to great benefit.  You should consider googling that shiat.

I see, your tone implied that if you don't understand how to take samples of something you're "farking retarded", so I assumed you were implying that YOU knew how to do that and so did non "farking retarded" e-cig users. My mistake.

On the other hand, you understand that if you don't know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, you're calling yourself farking retarded too, right? You should have just written that there's people out there who are not farking retarded who know how to google shiat to find out what's ...

How's that googling working out for you?


What am I supposed to be googling exactly? I made no claims about what is or is not in cigs. I made the mistake of interpreting your post about people sampling the e-cig juice and made a comment that it sounded as if you were implying that people who don't know how to do that are retarded. To that end, it would have been much more clearer to just say you googled it instead. What are your panties all bunched up about for? Is THAT what I should be googling? Geez man, go get a nicotine fix, lighten the fark up, francis.
 
2013-07-28 12:46:46 PM  

Researcher: There's a lot of misconceptions by people who dont vape about what is in the liquid... I've even had someone indignantly tell me they were allergic; you can imagine my incredulity when I told them it was Vegetable Glycerin and if they were rocking an allergy to that, they weren't long for this world. Some people just want attention...


BUT there is a problem with people vaping mystery liquid. I get my juice at a shop where anyone can watch them make it. They list the ingredients on every bottle.

Hell, the stuff is stone simple, you can just make it yourself... but like most conveniences, people are willing to pay. Just know where you're getting your stuff. This is basic, common sense, that people apply rigorously to everything else. You wouldn't buy a can of soda that doesn't have ingredients listed on it... I don't know why you wouldn't police to the same level something you're going to breath.

Not to shill, but I'm a big fan of The Vapor Trail, but for full fairness there's like 3-6 other Vape shops in my city... so yeah.


You're lucky... There are very few 'brick and mortar' vape shops around the country. I don't mean to shill either, but here's a list of good brands/search terms for anyone interested in getting into vaping: Volcano (great for starters), iTaste, Joye, Provari (a high end device), eGo, Johsnon Creek Vapor, Halo Vapor, Backwoods Brew  and Gotvapes.

There's also lots of great forums out there to help out; e-cigs get much more complicated the more you delve into them. ECF is an all around great place to find information.
 
2013-07-28 12:47:19 PM  
Since I switched three years ago I've converted a few on the way, but it still amazes me how resistant some smokers are to e-cigs. I can understand the ones that try it and don't like it, but to not even try it... derp.

Just refilled my eGo-T with some homemade juice. Nicotine, PG and VG.
 
2013-07-28 12:47:28 PM  

rga184: Infernalist: rga184: Infernalist: rga184: Infernalist: gfid: Saberus Terras: Plastered all over the package was the promise that you could vap anywhere, anytime, since it's not a cigarette.  We went to a restaurant for our anniversary and she brought it with her, and she had it out when our waitress came to get drink orders, waitress said there was no smoking allowed, wife told her it wasn't smoke, just water vapor.  Waitress talks to manager, manager comes out with "I don't care if it farts gold dust, you will not smoke that in here."

I have no problem with that.  Their restaurant, their rules.  And just because some company puts something on their product doesn't mean it carries the weight of law.

This is what really gets me about the e-cig fanatics.  "Oh, it's just water vapor".  Oh really?  Then why is it delivering nicotine too?  And how do you know it's not also delivering a thousand other chemicals directly to your lungs?

"Well, the company who makes them said so!"

Because a lot of people out there aren't farking retarded and understand how to take samples of something and learn what exactly is in it.

You have an HPLC machine in your house or something. I know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, but I certainly don't have the equipment to do that at home. Do you propose the average e-cig smoker does?

No, but I do have this thing called the 'personal computer' and I use it to great benefit.  You should consider googling that shiat.

I see, your tone implied that if you don't understand how to take samples of something you're "farking retarded", so I assumed you were implying that YOU knew how to do that and so did non "farking retarded" e-cig users. My mistake.

On the other hand, you understand that if you don't know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, you're calling yourself farking retarded too, right? You should have just written that there's people out there who are not farking retarded who know how to google shiat ...


I'm glad to see that you've figured out that whole 'personal computer' thing.  Glad to see I could help you grasp how to research basic information.
 
2013-07-28 12:47:51 PM  

zabadu: Again, Johnson Creek Smoke Juice.  USA made.


FuzedBox: You haven't looked hard enough; it's very easy to find unflavored PG and nicotine base. Also, the more reputable vendors DO label their ingredients.


Okay, I'll do some more research before I order more.  The only thing the e-juice I've ordered before says besides the brand name is that it contains nicotine.  Most if not all that I've ordered is made in China too.

I do not like vaping though.  I think it's probably not as unhealthful as smoking, but I'd rather be rid of the nicotine habit altogether.  I only started on the e-cigs because my semi-vaped tobacco cigarettes stopped being sold here (and also they were ridiculously expensive).  E-cigs are definitely way cheaper, but IMO not nearly as satisfying.
 
2013-07-28 12:49:29 PM  

belhade: I've been on e-cigs for over three years now, and I've been off nicotine completely for over a year. Yes, I'm still vaping at 0 nic. I guess I just really like putting things in my mouth to suck on.

[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 800x452]


How do you like those evods? Heard nothing but great things about them. Quick question, are they threaded for eGos? Do I need to buy a 510 adapter?
 
2013-07-28 12:49:45 PM  
Wut?

I don't care about your health. I prefer it more when you die. This is only a disappointing turn of events because fewer of you will burn yourselves to death.
 
2013-07-28 12:49:58 PM  

FuzedBox: Spanky McStupid: Ungarlmek: I'm using my vapor kit right now. It's fantastic.

Does it have the same "flavor" as a regular cig?  Thinking about getting one.

You just stumbled onto the proverbial Achilles Heel of vaping; very few tobacco flavors are any good. I found a few that I liked, chief among them being 'Tobacco Pure' from Volcano. The problem with Volcano is that their juices are kinda pricey.


I never found a tobacco flavor that I liked, but I found other flavors I liked better.  Johnson Creek sells samples you can try first.  I suggest doing that first.  The Vea is a good device - if you're a fairly serious smoker, stay away from the Blu and like cigs. They don't deliver the feel you want.  The Vea is kind of a midrange between serious vaping and the baby e cigs.  And it's cheap too, far cheaper than the Blu's and much more satisfying.

(I've tried several.  I stopped once I got the Vea).
 
2013-07-28 12:51:58 PM  

Infernalist: rga184: Infernalist: rga184: Infernalist: rga184: Infernalist: gfid: Saberus Terras: Plastered all over the package was the promise that you could vap anywhere, anytime, since it's not a cigarette.  We went to a restaurant for our anniversary and she brought it with her, and she had it out when our waitress came to get drink orders, waitress said there was no smoking allowed, wife told her it wasn't smoke, just water vapor.  Waitress talks to manager, manager comes out with "I don't care if it farts gold dust, you will not smoke that in here."

I have no problem with that.  Their restaurant, their rules.  And just because some company puts something on their product doesn't mean it carries the weight of law.

This is what really gets me about the e-cig fanatics.  "Oh, it's just water vapor".  Oh really?  Then why is it delivering nicotine too?  And how do you know it's not also delivering a thousand other chemicals directly to your lungs?

"Well, the company who makes them said so!"

Because a lot of people out there aren't farking retarded and understand how to take samples of something and learn what exactly is in it.

You have an HPLC machine in your house or something. I know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, but I certainly don't have the equipment to do that at home. Do you propose the average e-cig smoker does?

No, but I do have this thing called the 'personal computer' and I use it to great benefit.  You should consider googling that shiat.

I see, your tone implied that if you don't understand how to take samples of something you're "farking retarded", so I assumed you were implying that YOU knew how to do that and so did non "farking retarded" e-cig users. My mistake.

On the other hand, you understand that if you don't know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, you're calling yourself farking retarded too, right? You should have just written that there's people out there who are not farking retarded who know how to google shiat ...

I'm glad to see that you've figured out that whole 'personal computer' thing.  Glad to see I could help you grasp how to research basic information.


Are you this abrasive in real life? I misinterpreted your post, I owned up to it, and mentioned what you could have written to make it more clear. Or is this one of those situations where you act like a complete asshole so that when somebody calls you on it you can post a very funny "welcome to fark" pic. Cuz if that's your goal, by all means, go ahead and post the pic. I think it's funny too.
 
2013-07-28 12:52:37 PM  

AirForceVet: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.

When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.


How do feel about eating tomatoes?

You do know that they and other nightshades also contain nicotine, right?
 
2013-07-28 12:53:42 PM  

Vodka Zombie: You do know that they and other nightshades also contain nicotine, right?


You often vaporize your tomatoes or are you just generally retarded?
 
2013-07-28 12:55:02 PM  

DrunkenBob: The only drawback I see to e-cigs is a lot less smokers will go outside to smoke.  The reduction in fresh air, sunshine, and social mingling with strangers will be greatly missed.

/non-smoker
//Always hangs out with the smokers outside


Hah that is the same thing I do- I just like an excuse to go outside, even if it IS thunderstorming or bitterly cold. It is quiet, no tvs, people actually have to talk to each other. Plus, the smokers actually will talk to strangers and meet new people.
 
2013-07-28 12:55:26 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: As long as they don't smell and don't fark up my health, have at it. I hate smokers because of what it does to me, not you. I don't care if addicts die from their addiction as long as they take no one with them.


This, pretty much. I'm sure it's better than regular cigs, but I would like to know if whatever vapor is being expelled is still going to be in any way harmful to those around you who might inhale it. Yeah, the smell of a regular cig is annoying, but pleasant-smelling poison isn't any better than stinky poison. Outside of that, I don't care. Put whatever you want in your body so long as I don't have to participate.
 
2013-07-28 12:55:43 PM  

Sgygus: Go ahead smokers, ignore your health.  That leaves more health for the rest of us.


Nice.  And guess who gets to help pay medical bills?
 
2013-07-28 12:56:38 PM  

katerbug72: vegas_greaser: My job just announced that insurance is going up for tobacco users next year by $150 a month and gave all tobacco users 4 days to quit, so a bunch of people started bringing E-Cigs in and selling them to other employees. Then the company also announced that E-Cigs were also covered under the new rules, and that anyone using an E-Cig would also pay $150 more per month for insurance.
Been a grumpy few weeks at the office.

Well, that's bullshiat. Why lump e-cigs in there?


The company's official explanation was that they were unsure of the safety of e-cigs and that they still included nicotine, and other chemicals and therefore were Tobacco products.
 
2013-07-28 12:56:47 PM  

gfid: zabadu: Again, Johnson Creek Smoke Juice.  USA made.

FuzedBox: You haven't looked hard enough; it's very easy to find unflavored PG and nicotine base. Also, the more reputable vendors DO label their ingredients.

Okay, I'll do some more research before I order more.  The only thing the e-juice I've ordered before says besides the brand name is that it contains nicotine.  Most if not all that I've ordered is made in China too.

I do not like vaping though.  I think it's probably not as unhealthful as smoking, but I'd rather be rid of the nicotine habit altogether.  I only started on the e-cigs because my semi-vaped tobacco cigarettes stopped being sold here (and also they were ridiculously expensive).  E-cigs are definitely way cheaper, but IMO not nearly as satisfying.


I also didn't find it as satisfying as the real thing at first. This might sound kind of tin-foiley, but I really think it's all the damn additives clearing out of your system during the first week or so of vaping. It also helps once you find all the right PV, delivery devices, and flavors tailored to your style.
 
2013-07-28 12:57:08 PM  

gfid: zabadu: Again, Johnson Creek Smoke Juice.  USA made.

FuzedBox: You haven't looked hard enough; it's very easy to find unflavored PG and nicotine base. Also, the more reputable vendors DO label their ingredients.

Okay, I'll do some more research before I order more.  The only thing the e-juice I've ordered before says besides the brand name is that it contains nicotine.  Most if not all that I've ordered is made in China too.

I do not like vaping though.  I think it's probably not as unhealthful as smoking, but I'd rather be rid of the nicotine habit altogether.  I only started on the e-cigs because my semi-vaped tobacco cigarettes stopped being sold here (and also they were ridiculously expensive).  E-cigs are definitely way cheaper, but IMO not nearly as satisfying.


The ecigs they sell over the counter and the small ones like Blu weren't satisfying to me either.  I didn't really want to go full vape with the tanks, etc., and got many recommendations of the Vea while I was looking.  I swear, you will find it more satisfying than the ones you get in the store.
 
2013-07-28 12:57:50 PM  
First of all: Second hand smoke is bullshiat, so unless you're a smoker yourself, this really doesn't affect you as much as you'd think. If something as harmful as real cigarette smoke can't do a passer-by harm, what hope does a nicotine vapor have of harming someone else?

Second of all: I don't lie to anyone when they ask me if my e-cig is healthier. I have always told people straight up that there's no research or studies to confirm or deny that e-cigs are healthier than real cigs. I also tell them that they aren't FDA approved, so for all we know I'm inhaling a vapor that's a million times worse for me than a Marlboro. Or I could be inhaling something that has all the health risks of a stick of celery.

/I'm hoping they come out with some studies soon, though
//preferably some no bullshiat studies that aren't funded by Phillip-Morris
 
2013-07-28 12:58:27 PM  

skozlaw: Vodka Zombie: You do know that they and other nightshades also contain nicotine, right?

You often vaporize your tomatoes or are you just generally retarded?


I have a steaming pot of sauce on the stove, so....

I'll also be grilling some eggplant and peppers later.

My goodness!!!

Tell me again who it is who is "generally retarded?"
 
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