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2013-07-28 11:48:48 AM

Molavian: Nut up and quit, f*ckers.  It's only hard for the first few days.


Sorry, not everyone has the mental fortitude of a concrete wall; sue us.
 
2013-07-28 11:48:49 AM

gfid: Infernalist: gfid: buzzcut73: I've been on e-cigs for a year and a half now.  I tried one Marlboro light when I was drinking with some friends a couple of months back, I -hated- it.

I've used e-cigs for over a year.  I have a few no-name brand cigs  from a marketing experiment left over and I farking love those things.  e-cigs suck.  Still, not surprised that you didn't like Marlboro Lights - worst cigarette ever.

Yeah, the no-name cigarettes are no-name.  They mailed them to me and they came in a plain white box with no label.  I'm going to read the rest of this thread and then step outside to smoke one of them and I'm sure I'll love it.

Darwinism at its finest.

Meh - I don't think one more cigarette will kill me.  I used to smoke 2 packs a day and I'm not dead yet.  It takes a long time and even then most smokers don't die from cigarette-related problems.

I might not even smoke that real cigarette.  I'm actually getting hungry now.  I'll probably eat something horribly unhealthy while I puff on my e-cig which probably contains the worst carcinogens man has yet to identify.


Go check your mail.  Maybe someone sent you some completely unlabeled food for you to eat.
 
2013-07-28 11:48:52 AM
I haven't touched a real cig in two years. I still have an e-cig for the previously mentioned illegal substances and the occasional nicotine free tobacco-flavored cartridges. (Really, really occasionally - gone through 3 cartridges in 4 months). I've been able to convince at least 6 people to permanently quit real cigs including my friend's 70 year old mom (2 packs a day for 50 years). And if you're discreet, nobody will hassle you anywhere. Don't buy one that looks and glows like a real cigarette.

And the idiot(s) that say they are banned everywhere? Most airlines yes. They get nervous when they see anything smoke-like in the cabin. I was never asked or questioned by any hotel, bar, or restaurant. It's completely odor free unless you're using a really cheap model (looking at you, N-Joy). The smell of vaped hash oil hangs around for about 5 seconds.

/not a paid shill
 
2013-07-28 11:48:56 AM

alexjoss: I went from smoking 1 to 1 1/2 packs a day to under 5 a day using my new Vaping kit--which costs 50 bucks.   Monthly maintenance and buying more nicotine costs about 20 a month--a savings of $150 per month!  I can sneak a vape anywhere when it's absolutely necessary.  I flew a few weeks ago and Southwest airlines bans their use--I think I could have sneaked one in the bathroom but didn't want to risk the whole federal "interfering with a flight crew" charge, so I didn't.  But it worked in the airport restrooms when I was stranded for 5 hours in freaking Newark!


Oh, this. I had a 2 hour layover at O'Hare turn into 28 hours back in May. Having the e-cig and USB charger in my backpack (along with my laptop) made it slightly less miserable, because I didn't have to worry about going in and out through security if I needed a little nicotine. I just cupped the thing in my hand and took a hit somewhere relatively quiet. Again, I'm so glad to be off of regular cigarettes for a lot of reasons, and airports are one of them. I just don't make it really obvious, and if approached and told I should do that, a polite "Oh, sorry. Didn't know they weren't allowed" usually suffices.
 
2013-07-28 11:51:35 AM

Infernalist: gfid: Infernalist: gfid: buzzcut73: I've been on e-cigs for a year and a half now.  I tried one Marlboro light when I was drinking with some friends a couple of months back, I -hated- it.

I've used e-cigs for over a year.  I have a few no-name brand cigs  from a marketing experiment left over and I farking love those things.  e-cigs suck.  Still, not surprised that you didn't like Marlboro Lights - worst cigarette ever.

Yeah, the no-name cigarettes are no-name.  They mailed them to me and they came in a plain white box with no label.  I'm going to read the rest of this thread and then step outside to smoke one of them and I'm sure I'll love it.

Darwinism at its finest.

Meh - I don't think one more cigarette will kill me.  I used to smoke 2 packs a day and I'm not dead yet.  It takes a long time and even then most smokers don't die from cigarette-related problems.

I might not even smoke that real cigarette.  I'm actually getting hungry now.  I'll probably eat something horribly unhealthy while I puff on my e-cig which probably contains the worst carcinogens man has yet to identify.

Go check your mail.  Maybe someone sent you some completely unlabeled food for you to eat.


Reputable brands list their ingredients. Many people also mix their own.
 
2013-07-28 11:51:44 AM

Infernalist: fnordest: In regard to the ones who use e-cigs to quit: I heard in the past that people quitting would carry an unlit cigarette because it was that was the habit beyond the addiction to the nicotine.

E-cigs would satisfy that habit, BUT what happens when you quit the e-cigs?

In most cases, you have two different kinds of e-cig users:  People who are trying to quit and people who are trying to not die from smoking.


Good point

The ones that are trying to quit quickly learn that you can moderate the amount of nicotine that you take in with e-cigs, until they reach the point where they can wean themselves off the e-cigs, too.    The ones that are trying to stay alive and still get their nicotine fix don't care and will 'smoke' e-cigs until they die.


Where does losing the habit of the "ritual" come into play for the quitters?
 
2013-07-28 11:52:19 AM
Based on the troll comments in this thread, I've decided I'm going to become a militant anti-anti-perspirant and anti-cologne/perfume nutter.  I'm so flunking tired of smelling that toxic array of carcinogenic and endocrine disrupting chemical vapor.  I was in the office the other day, and one of my co-workers walked by and my throat started hurting, I could barely breath and I started getting physically nauseated by the cocktail of death she was sporting.  Seriously, if you want to use perfume and deodorant, do it outside, away from buildings.
 
2013-07-28 11:53:07 AM
So, all the non-smoker in the thread...how much do you weigh?
 
2013-07-28 11:54:43 AM

fnordest: Infernalist: fnordest: In regard to the ones who use e-cigs to quit: I heard in the past that people quitting would carry an unlit cigarette because it was that was the habit beyond the addiction to the nicotine.

E-cigs would satisfy that habit, BUT what happens when you quit the e-cigs?

In most cases, you have two different kinds of e-cig users:  People who are trying to quit and people who are trying to not die from smoking.

Good point

The ones that are trying to quit quickly learn that you can moderate the amount of nicotine that you take in with e-cigs, until they reach the point where they can wean themselves off the e-cigs, too.    The ones that are trying to stay alive and still get their nicotine fix don't care and will 'smoke' e-cigs until they die.


Where does losing the habit of the "ritual" come into play for the quitters?


They tend to keep the e-cigs around and near-hand out of habit, but the desire isn't there.  My friend has taken to making a game out of how long she can go without smoking, which is 'insane' for a smoker's mindset.  She still keeps it within reach, if only to have something in her hands when she talks.

So, I'm guessing the 'ritual' never really dies, just the original purpose for it dies.
 
2013-07-28 11:55:10 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: Infernalist: gfid: Infernalist: gfid: buzzcut73: I've been on e-cigs for a year and a half now.  I tried one Marlboro light when I was drinking with some friends a couple of months back, I -hated- it.

I've used e-cigs for over a year.  I have a few no-name brand cigs  from a marketing experiment left over and I farking love those things.  e-cigs suck.  Still, not surprised that you didn't like Marlboro Lights - worst cigarette ever.

Yeah, the no-name cigarettes are no-name.  They mailed them to me and they came in a plain white box with no label.  I'm going to read the rest of this thread and then step outside to smoke one of them and I'm sure I'll love it.

Darwinism at its finest.

Meh - I don't think one more cigarette will kill me.  I used to smoke 2 packs a day and I'm not dead yet.  It takes a long time and even then most smokers don't die from cigarette-related problems.

I might not even smoke that real cigarette.  I'm actually getting hungry now.  I'll probably eat something horribly unhealthy while I puff on my e-cig which probably contains the worst carcinogens man has yet to identify.

Go check your mail.  Maybe someone sent you some completely unlabeled food for you to eat.

Reputable brands list their ingredients. Many people also mix their own.


Johnson Creek Smoke Juice lists all the ingredients.  All of them.
 
2013-07-28 11:55:22 AM
I have been smoke free for almost 3 months tanks to my PV and quality US made juice, after 17 years of smoking. Started at 36mg nicotine and am down to 10mg. Haven't had a single craving since day 2, and I am not chain-vaping all day either. It's quite remarkable how well this works if you have the right gear and juice.
 
2013-07-28 11:55:28 AM
As long as it doesn't stank up the place I don't care.  We have a few smokers using them in the office, and it's no big deal.
 
2013-07-28 11:56:01 AM
MrHappyRotter

Based on the troll comments in this thread, I've decided I'm going to become a militant anti-anti-perspirant and anti-cologne/perfume nutter. I'm so flunking tired of smelling that toxic array of carcinogenic and endocrine disrupting chemical vapor. I was in the office the other day, and one of my co-workers walked by and my throat started hurting, I could barely breath and I started getting physically nauseated by the cocktail of death she was sporting. Seriously, if you want to use perfume and deodorant, do it outside, away from buildings.

oh yeah, those dipshiats
 
2013-07-28 11:56:16 AM
Whatever happened to nicotine gum? I recall that being more expensive than it was worth but I liked to chew it while taking a stressful exam in college.... 486 years ago.
 
2013-07-28 11:56:19 AM

AirForceVet: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.

When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.


Eat a Snickers. You're not yourself when you're hungry.
 
2013-07-28 11:56:32 AM
The only problem I can think of is that the glycerol that's used in the liquid inserts can aggravate users' mucous membranes.  And before you say, "don't regular cigarettes do that, too?", the answer is yes, but I've had a few patients that switched to e-cigs complain that they get a burning sensation in their esophagus that they didn't get with regular cigs, that's very likely caused by the vaporized glycerol.

That being said, if these really only affect the individual using it, and has no effect on people around them, then they are grown-ass adults, and they can make their own decisions about that.
 
2013-07-28 11:56:40 AM

Saberus Terras: Plastered all over the package was the promise that you could vap anywhere, anytime, since it's not a cigarette.  We went to a restaurant for our anniversary and she brought it with her, and she had it out when our waitress came to get drink orders, waitress said there was no smoking allowed, wife told her it wasn't smoke, just water vapor.  Waitress talks to manager, manager comes out with "I don't care if it farts gold dust, you will not smoke that in here."


I have no problem with that.  Their restaurant, their rules.  And just because some company puts something on their product doesn't mean it carries the weight of law.

This is what really gets me about the e-cig fanatics.  "Oh, it's just water vapor".  Oh really?  Then why is it delivering nicotine too?  And how do you know it's not also delivering a thousand other chemicals directly to your lungs?

"Well, the company who makes them said so!"
 
2013-07-28 11:58:33 AM

Pesky_Humans: I have been smoke free for almost 3 months tanks to my PV and quality US made juice, after 17 years of smoking. Started at 36mg nicotine and am down to 10mg. Haven't had a single craving since day 2, and I am not chain-vaping all day either. It's quite remarkable how well this works if you have the right gear and juice.


Congrats, man! Stick with it; before you know it, you'll find 36mg to be too strong, lower the dose, and repeat. I'm two years "analogue" free, started at 36 and 24mg juices, and am at 8mg now.

//Which PV did you buy?
 
2013-07-28 11:58:34 AM
Lot of angry, self-righteous farkers in here.  Someone else posted that this is about punishing smokers, and after this thread, I am inclined to agree.

e-cigs are saving my life currently.  I'm doing a combination of wellbutrin and e-cigarettes.  I've switched over to cartridges that have no nicotine in them.  I've not had a cigarette in a month.  I smoked Camel Wides a pack a day for almost 17 years.  I'm never going back.  I feel better than I've felt in a long time.  My energy levels are up, I'm thinking clearer, and I'm not harming myself or anyone else for the first time in a while.

So please, with all due respect, back the fark off.
 
2013-07-28 11:59:47 AM

gfid: Saberus Terras: Plastered all over the package was the promise that you could vap anywhere, anytime, since it's not a cigarette.  We went to a restaurant for our anniversary and she brought it with her, and she had it out when our waitress came to get drink orders, waitress said there was no smoking allowed, wife told her it wasn't smoke, just water vapor.  Waitress talks to manager, manager comes out with "I don't care if it farts gold dust, you will not smoke that in here."

I have no problem with that.  Their restaurant, their rules.  And just because some company puts something on their product doesn't mean it carries the weight of law.

This is what really gets me about the e-cig fanatics.  "Oh, it's just water vapor".  Oh really?  Then why is it delivering nicotine too?  And how do you know it's not also delivering a thousand other chemicals directly to your lungs?

"Well, the company who makes them said so!"


Because a lot of people out there aren't farking retarded and understand how to take samples of something and learn what exactly is in it.
 
2013-07-28 11:59:57 AM

fnordest: Where does losing the habit of the "ritual" come into play for the quitters?


Once you drop your nicotine level to zero, your brain will start losing the connection between the act of smoking and behavior reinforcing chemical release.  You shouldn't have to quit at that point, you'll just start forgetting to smoke.
 
2013-07-28 12:00:03 PM

Shadowknight: My dad and her husband of 33 years just died two months ago from some mystery infection we still haven't figured out, so we're not really pushing the "quitting smoking" thing real hard right now.  When the summer is up, we'll have that talk,  but for now we don't want to add any extra stress to her.


"I cant deal with the stress of quitting right now" is the classic smoker's crutch.  My mom smoked a pack a day for 35 years and has since quit to the point of having a puff or two a day on the E-cig.  That was always the excuse, work, bills, life, family, etc.

Those with an addiction will find any excuse in the book not to quit.  Those who are ready to quit will let nothing get in their way of doing so.
 
2013-07-28 12:00:48 PM

Jesus Farking Christ: Lot of angry, self-righteous farkers in here.  Someone else posted that this is about punishing smokers, and after this thread, I am inclined to agree.

e-cigs are saving my life currently.  I'm doing a combination of wellbutrin and e-cigarettes.  I've switched over to cartridges that have no nicotine in them.  I've not had a cigarette in a month.  I smoked Camel Wides a pack a day for almost 17 years.  I'm never going back.  I feel better than I've felt in a long time.  My energy levels are up, I'm thinking clearer, and I'm not harming myself or anyone else for the first time in a while.

So please, with all due respect, back the fark off.


Non-smoker here.  Congrats and well done.  Don't let the retards and trolls mess with your head.
 
2013-07-28 12:00:53 PM
I smoked for almost 20 years, and the only thing that has worked so far is the patch and a new pair of actual running shoes. Doing my first 5k in November for a lung cancer charity for some karma points.
 
2013-07-28 12:02:20 PM

Jesus Farking Christ: Lot of angry, self-righteous farkers in here.  Someone else posted that this is about punishing smokers, and after this thread, I am inclined to agree.

e-cigs are saving my life currently.  I'm doing a combination of wellbutrin and e-cigarettes.  I've switched over to cartridges that have no nicotine in them.  I've not had a cigarette in a month.  I smoked Camel Wides a pack a day for almost 17 years.  I'm never going back.  I feel better than I've felt in a long time.  My energy levels are up, I'm thinking clearer, and I'm not harming myself or anyone else for the first time in a while.

So please, with all due respect, back the fark off.


That's all it's ever been about...punishing smokers.

E cigs leave no butts, have no smoke, vapor is negligible to those around.  All the things you guys complain about.  But you're so self righteous that you can't see this is a good thing.
 
2013-07-28 12:02:40 PM

Zugswang: The only problem I can think of is that the glycerol that's used in the liquid inserts can aggravate users' mucous membranes.  And before you say, "don't regular cigarettes do that, too?", the answer is yes, but I've had a few patients that switched to e-cigs complain that they get a burning sensation in their esophagus that they didn't get with regular cigs, that's very likely caused by the vaporized glycerol.

That being said, if these really only affect the individual using it, and has no effect on people around them, then they are grown-ass adults, and they can make their own decisions about that.


The solution is simple: you can buy juices that have only propylene glycol (PG), or vegetable glycerin (vg/glycerol), or have differing ratios of the two. In my experience, PG only is the way to go, others' mileage may vary; the opposite can be true with anyone.
 
2013-07-28 12:02:40 PM

gfid: Infernalist: gfid: buzzcut73: I've been on e-cigs for a year and a half now.  I tried one Marlboro light when I was drinking with some friends a couple of months back, I -hated- it.

I've used e-cigs for over a year.  I have a few no-name brand cigs  from a marketing experiment left over and I farking love those things.  e-cigs suck.  Still, not surprised that you didn't like Marlboro Lights - worst cigarette ever.

Yeah, the no-name cigarettes are no-name.  They mailed them to me and they came in a plain white box with no label.  I'm going to read the rest of this thread and then step outside to smoke one of them and I'm sure I'll love it.

Darwinism at its finest.

Meh - I don't think one more cigarette will kill me.  I used to smoke 2 packs a day and I'm not dead yet.  It takes a long time and even then most smokers don't die from cigarette-related problems.

I might not even smoke that real cigarette.  I'm actually getting hungry now.  I'll probably eat something horribly unhealthy while I puff on my e-cig which probably contains the worst carcinogens man has yet to identify.


I think you're under the impression that only emphysema/COPD and lung cancer are cig related. Cardiovascular disease and peripheral vascular disease are also strongly related to not only smoking but current smoking history. It is extremely rare for a patient to come to the OR for a fem-pop bypass (for peripheral vascular disease) and not have them be a smoker. Probably about 75% of people who come in for non valvular heart operations are also smokers. Beyond that, their rate of perioperative complications for other types of surgeries is incredibly high and ranges from poor wound healing to increase infection to inability to extubate after surgery due to poor lung function.

I'm not mentioning the cancers because yes, they are relatively rare. So yes, even if you have 100x the chance of getting this or that cancer, the chances are still fairly low that you'll get something to begin with. That being said, while I have seen a few lung cancers in non-smokers, I don't think I've ever seen a bladder cancer in a non-smoker in my six years of clinical experience so far.

I don't wish smokers badly. I do feel traditional cig smokers should be stigmatized because their habits are inconsiderate of others as well as harmful to themselves. But stigmatized to me is just making it more uncomfortable for you to smoke and informing kids of what a filthy habit you have. I don't propose being rude, crass, or denying you care. It pains me to see people say "well, I'm going to die of something" and not consider that this "something" would otherwise have killed you ten or fifteen years later in your sleep after five months of NOT being in the hospital. One of the reasons why I decided not to do an ICU fellowship after finishing my anesthesiology training was because I hate to see people die slowly. And you see that most often in people with bad emphysema whether it's their primary reason for admission, or if it's a co-morbidity and they were in the ICU after a heart operation or a vascular procedure. It's absolutely awful, and I would not wish that on anybody, even a sarcastic farker like you.
 
2013-07-28 12:02:59 PM
Jesus Farking Christ: Joe Camel here, backing the fark off. Congrats in all sincerity. Hope you are feeling better (Santana).
 
2013-07-28 12:03:22 PM

Infernalist: AirForceVet: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.

When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.

Dude, you need to relax.  Have a smoke or something.


But not an e-cig.  That nicotine-laced vapor will kill your entire family.
 
2013-07-28 12:05:27 PM

RickN99: Infernalist: AirForceVet: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.

When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.

Dude, you need to relax.  Have a smoke or something.

But not an e-cig.  That nicotine-laced vapor will kill your entire family.


No shiat, right?

It's sad that I can't tell the pretend-retards from the actual retards on this site anymore.
 
2013-07-28 12:06:54 PM

RickN99: Infernalist: AirForceVet: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.

When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.

Dude, you need to relax.  Have a smoke or something.

But not an e-cig.  That nicotine-laced vapor will kill your entire family.


Aw, go easy on him. He walked away from the military with bad a case of ALL CAPS RAGE. In all seriousness, it's baffling how people can be so hateful and arrogant while wallowing in ignorance.
 
2013-07-28 12:07:21 PM

Disgruntled Goat: I couldn't care less what smokers do to their own bodies. It's the smoke in the room, the stench permeating everything and the fact that smokers think it's okay to toss their used butts anywhere they please that pisses me off.


Yep, this ^^^
 
2013-07-28 12:08:04 PM

RickN99: Infernalist: AirForceVet: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.

When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.

Dude, you need to relax.  Have a smoke or something.

But not an e-cig.  That nicotine-laced vapor will kill your entire family.


You're an idiot.
 
2013-07-28 12:09:30 PM
FuzedBox

Aw, go easy on him. He walked away from the military with bad a case of ALL CAPS RAGE. In all seriousness, it's baffling how people can be so hateful and arrogant while wallowing in ignorance.

All those years of breathing the vapor from jet fuel?
 
2013-07-28 12:09:36 PM

zabadu: RickN99: Infernalist: AirForceVet: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.

When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.

Dude, you need to relax.  Have a smoke or something.

But not an e-cig.  That nicotine-laced vapor will kill your entire family.

You're an idiot.


Did you think he was being serious?
 
2013-07-28 12:10:48 PM

SuperTramp: FuzedBox

Aw, go easy on him. He walked away from the military with bad a case of ALL CAPS RAGE. In all seriousness, it's baffling how people can be so hateful and arrogant while wallowing in ignorance.

All those years of breathing the vapor from jet fuel?


Having worked some tarmacs myself, that shiat's no joke.
 
2013-07-28 12:11:00 PM

Infernalist: zabadu: RickN99: Infernalist: AirForceVet: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.

When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.

Dude, you need to relax.  Have a smoke or something.

But not an e-cig.  That nicotine-laced vapor will kill your entire family.

You're an idiot.

Did you think he was being serious?


It's hard to tell the retards from the idiots.
 
2013-07-28 12:11:46 PM

FuzedBox: the liquid only contains FDA approved falvoring


Nope

I can tell you why they decided to use DEG, too - it acts as a solvent. Massengill discovered that DEG is great for making liquid solutions of Sulfanilamide, which would be great, if DEG didn't cause kidney failure.

I bet that's exactly why the e-cigarette manufacturer used it - they wanted a specific flavor they couldn't suspend in other solutions and figured that since they were unregulated, no one would know.

I have no problem with e-cigs, but the people who make just about any product are NOT your friend and WILL get away with what they can.
 
2013-07-28 12:12:43 PM

Infernalist: Go check your mail.  Maybe someone sent you some completely unlabeled food for you to eat.


Don't be an idiot.  Cigarettes don't have ingredient labels.  "E-liquid" doesn't either.

When I said it was unlabeled, obviously I meant it was not marked as a specific brand.

As I've pointed out already in this thread one problem with e-cigs is that we don't know what's in the e-liquid and it mostly comes from China - a country where mothers are desperate to import baby formula from other countries because they don't trust their own factories to provide a safe product.

I'm one of the few people here saying that e-cigs might not be safe.  OTOH, I'm not going to get all militant about that and the food I eat.

/cooking up some grub now.  It's labeled, but I didn't look at the label.  It probably has a boatload of sodium in it.  I'm going to die eventually, but I won't die today
 
2013-07-28 12:13:46 PM

zabadu: Infernalist: zabadu: RickN99: Infernalist: AirForceVet: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.

When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.

Dude, you need to relax.  Have a smoke or something.

But not an e-cig.  That nicotine-laced vapor will kill your entire family.

You're an idiot.

Did you think he was being serious?

It's hard to tell the retards from the idiots.


Harder for some than for others, apparently.  Unless, of course, you sincerely thought he was accusing e-cigs of being family killing devices.

Nevermind, don't answer that.  I'm dangerously close to breaking my 'don't give a fark.'
 
2013-07-28 12:14:32 PM

gfid: Infernalist: Go check your mail.  Maybe someone sent you some completely unlabeled food for you to eat.

Don't be an idiot.  Cigarettes don't have ingredient labels.  "E-liquid" doesn't either.

When I said it was unlabeled, obviously I meant it was not marked as a specific brand.

As I've pointed out already in this thread one problem with e-cigs is that we don't know what's in the e-liquid and it mostly comes from China - a country where mothers are desperate to import baby formula from other countries because they don't trust their own factories to provide a safe product.

I'm one of the few people here saying that e-cigs might not be safe.  OTOH, I'm not going to get all militant about that and the food I eat.

/cooking up some grub now.  It's labeled, but I didn't look at the label.  It probably has a boatload of sodium in it.  I'm going to die eventually, but I won't die today


You hope.
 
2013-07-28 12:14:36 PM

vygramul: FuzedBox: the liquid only contains FDA approved falvoring

Nope

I can tell you why they decided to use DEG, too - it acts as a solvent. Massengill discovered that DEG is great for making liquid solutions of Sulfanilamide, which would be great, if DEG didn't cause kidney failure.

I bet that's exactly why the e-cigarette manufacturer used it - they wanted a specific flavor they couldn't suspend in other solutions and figured that since they were unregulated, no one would know.

I have no problem with e-cigs, but the people who make just about any product are NOT your friend and WILL get away with what they can.


You're right... I should have specified: The premium US made juices (such as Halo, Johnson Creek, and Volcano) use FDA approved flavoring, but that doesn't stop chinese manufacturers such as Dekang from not using them.
 
2013-07-28 12:16:18 PM

gfid: Infernalist: Go check your mail.  Maybe someone sent you some completely unlabeled food for you to eat.

Don't be an idiot.  Cigarettes don't have ingredient labels.  "E-liquid" doesn't either.

When I said it was unlabeled, obviously I meant it was not marked as a specific brand.

As I've pointed out already in this thread one problem with e-cigs is that we don't know what's in the e-liquid and it mostly comes from China - a country where mothers are desperate to import baby formula from other countries because they don't trust their own factories to provide a safe product.

I'm one of the few people here saying that e-cigs might not be safe.  OTOH, I'm not going to get all militant about that and the food I eat.

/cooking up some grub now.  It's labeled, but I didn't look at the label.  It probably has a boatload of sodium in it.  I'm going to die eventually, but I won't die today


Again, Johnson Creek Smoke Juice.  USA made.
 
2013-07-28 12:17:31 PM
Actually Id prefer it if you did that,  I have no problem with these e cigs right now as they aren't proven to be harmful.  In fact I have no problem with regular cigs as long as your on private property and the owner of said property properly gives warning of smoking inside so consumers can make an informed decision.

The only problem I have is when people have no choice to interact with smokers causing cancer from second hand smoke.  Its no different then me going around with a needle and injecting people with AIDS.
 
2013-07-28 12:17:42 PM

DubyaHater: I don't know much about the e-cigs and I certainly DNRTFA. I would think an e-cig habit is rather cost prohibitive. My guess is a pack of e-cigs cost 10x a pack of cigarettes.


Your guess is incredibly wrong.  I spend half as much on e-cigs as I did on cigarettes; and I live in an area of the country where cigarettes are fairly inexpensive.

katerbug72: vegas_greaser: My job just announced that insurance is going up for tobacco users next year by $150 a month and gave all tobacco users 4 days to quit, so a bunch of people started bringing E-Cigs in and selling them to other employees. Then the company also announced that E-Cigs were also covered under the new rules, and that anyone using an E-Cig would also pay $150 more per month for insurance.
Been a grumpy few weeks at the office.

Well, that's bullshiat. Why lump e-cigs in there?


Greed.  That, and nicotine is still poison.

Barfmaker: Why would health nuts, or anyone, give a crap?


The argument I've seen is that behaviorally, use of an e-cig is similar to an actual cigarette; and that somehow by allowing or condoning e-cig use it subconsciously sends a message that actual smoking is ok as well.

There is a fine argument to be made here.  E-cigs are a tool to help smokers quit smoking.  It's the only thing that has worked for me.  But that's the point, that you're supposed to ultimately quit altogether.  If you're using it as a replacement for tobacco, then you still have a problem.  It is less dangerous to yourself and others than smoking, but vaping is still unhealthy at its core.  Nicotine is not good for you in any way, shape, or form.  You can step down to a point where the 'juice' you are vaping has no nicotine in it, but even then, any activity done to excess is likely a bad thing.  All that being said, the idea that vaping must be treated exactly like actual smoking is incredibly ignorant.  It is not smoking.  If you put a bunch of smokers in a tiny room, and they all light up, eventually the room ends up being filled with smoke.  If you put a bunch of vapers in a room, and they are all vaping, nothing happens.
 
2013-07-28 12:19:24 PM

sparrow794: DubyaHater: I don't know much about the e-cigs and I certainly DNRTFA. I would think an e-cig habit is rather cost prohibitive. My guess is a pack of e-cigs cost 10x a pack of cigarettes.

Your guess is incredibly wrong.  I spend half as much on e-cigs as I did on cigarettes; and I live in an area of the country where cigarettes are fairly inexpensive.

katerbug72: vegas_greaser: My job just announced that insurance is going up for tobacco users next year by $150 a month and gave all tobacco users 4 days to quit, so a bunch of people started bringing E-Cigs in and selling them to other employees. Then the company also announced that E-Cigs were also covered under the new rules, and that anyone using an E-Cig would also pay $150 more per month for insurance.
Been a grumpy few weeks at the office.

Well, that's bullshiat. Why lump e-cigs in there?

Greed.  That, and nicotine is still poison.

Barfmaker: Why would health nuts, or anyone, give a crap?

The argument I've seen is that behaviorally, use of an e-cig is similar to an actual cigarette; and that somehow by allowing or condoning e-cig use it subconsciously sends a message that actual smoking is ok as well.

There is a fine argument to be made here.  E-cigs are a tool to help smokers quit smoking.  It's the only thing that has worked for me.  But that's the point, that you're supposed to ultimately quit altogether.  If you're using it as a replacement for tobacco, then you still have a problem.  It is less dangerous to yourself and others than smoking, but vaping is still unhealthy at its core.  Nicotine is not good for you in any way, shape, or form.  You can step down to a point where the 'juice' you are vaping has no nicotine in it, but even then, any activity done to excess is likely a bad thing.  All that being said, the idea that vaping must be treated exactly like actual smoking is incredibly ignorant.  It is not smoking.  If you put a bunch of smokers in a tiny room, and they all light up, eventually the ...


Alcohol is a poison and I don't think they included drinkers when they passed out that memo.
 
2013-07-28 12:19:25 PM
I love my Micro Vaped Pen. Granted I'm not using it for nicotine consumption, but it's a straight-up game changer.
 
2013-07-28 12:19:45 PM

Infernalist: gfid: Saberus Terras: Plastered all over the package was the promise that you could vap anywhere, anytime, since it's not a cigarette.  We went to a restaurant for our anniversary and she brought it with her, and she had it out when our waitress came to get drink orders, waitress said there was no smoking allowed, wife told her it wasn't smoke, just water vapor.  Waitress talks to manager, manager comes out with "I don't care if it farts gold dust, you will not smoke that in here."

I have no problem with that.  Their restaurant, their rules.  And just because some company puts something on their product doesn't mean it carries the weight of law.

This is what really gets me about the e-cig fanatics.  "Oh, it's just water vapor".  Oh really?  Then why is it delivering nicotine too?  And how do you know it's not also delivering a thousand other chemicals directly to your lungs?

"Well, the company who makes them said so!"

Because a lot of people out there aren't farking retarded and understand how to take samples of something and learn what exactly is in it.


You have an HPLC machine in your house or something. I know how to take samples of stuff and learn what's in it, but I certainly don't have the equipment to do that at home. Do you propose the average e-cig smoker does?
 
2013-07-28 12:20:02 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: Reputable brands list their ingredients. Many people also mix their own.


Citation needed.

Really, just give us one example.  All the flavored e-liquids?  They only say how much nicotine is in them and whether it's PG or VG from what I've seen.  I suggested to one supplier that they might want to offer a non-flavored e-juice.  They seemed surprised.  WTF do they think people are using it for?  I'd bet most of us are just nicotine junkies and could give a flying fark about the taste which is probably mostly benzene anyway.
 
2013-07-28 12:20:40 PM
I love how they're REALLY heavily advertising the stuff around NYC.  It must drive Bloomberg nuts.  And it's always fun to watch that shiathead throw a tantrum.
 
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