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2013-07-28 11:19:49 AM

vegas_greaser: My job just announced that insurance is going up for tobacco users next year by $150 a month and gave all tobacco users 4 days to quit, so a bunch of people started bringing E-Cigs in and selling them to other employees. Then the company also announced that E-Cigs were also covered under the new rules, and that anyone using an E-Cig would also pay $150 more per month for insurance.
Been a grumpy few weeks at the office.


Are they out of their farking minds?  4 days to quit?  4 days?  I mean, I could understand 30-90 days...but 4 days?  4 days to quit using what is probably the most addictive substance most people will encounter in their life.  I am going to guess that zero support was offered here too.

That is really unacceptable.
 
2013-07-28 11:19:51 AM

Ohlookabutterfly: cman: Why should anyone care if I put nicotine, or THC, or even a dick in my own colon? Its my farking body.

We don't care what you choose to insert up your ass, just don't expect us to recognize you as some sort of special minority simply because you want to define yourself by your sexual proclivities.

Me, I see myself as a hard working, productive, tax paying member of society.
You, you see yourself as a sodomite.

Well done. As a group you have successfully bullied western society into accepting your definition of marriage and mate using political correctness, shame tactics, and a non existent group of wandering gay bashers that none of you have ever actually encountered.


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2013-07-28 11:20:27 AM
I kicked my two pack a day habit cold turkey 18 years ago.  The first week was tough as I constantly craved a cigarette.  From there on out, I really haven't had an urge to start smoking again and I bowled two times a week in those smokehouses we commonly refer to as bowling alleys..  Not only have I felt better, I must have saved several thousand dollars since.
 
2013-07-28 11:21:05 AM
Just watch, the tobacco lobbyists will feed your politicians rigged studies showing how e-cigs are dangerous to their users and somehow to bystanders, then blam, even stricter regulations on e-cigs than ol' tabacco.

And good luck trying to vap anywhere that's non-smoking.  Restauranteurs, receptionists, office managers... not a single one of them will care, it looks like a cig, so it's a cig.  Even if they did, they know that some dipshiat patron won't know the difference and will raise unholy hell over it, so they won't let you.
 
2013-07-28 11:21:32 AM

ZAZ: there's nothing you anti-smoking health nuts can do about it

The nuts in my area are regulating them like cigarettes. No e-ing in or near buildings, no sales to minors.


I can understand not selling nicotine to minors (ecig or not). It is an addictive substance.

I think the biggest obstacle is that people once thought regular cigarettes were safe as well, so you're dealing with an ingrained uncertainty and fear.

As for indoor use, who knows? They're odorless, so find a quiet corner to vape (I use airplane bathrooms for example).
 
2013-07-28 11:21:51 AM

cman: Why should anyone care if I put nicotine, or THC, or even a dick in my own colon? Its my farking body.


You're smoking wrong
 
2013-07-28 11:22:43 AM
Shortsighted people everywhere.  All this anti-smoking crap will just make it illegal to have pot cafes when it's legalized.

Think people!
 
2013-07-28 11:24:55 AM

buzzcut73: I've been on e-cigs for a year and a half now.  I tried one Marlboro light when I was drinking with some friends a couple of months back, I -hated- it.


I've used e-cigs for over a year.  I have a few no-name brand cigs  from a marketing experiment left over and I farking love those things.  e-cigs suck.  Still, not surprised that you didn't like Marlboro Lights - worst cigarette ever.

Yeah, the no-name cigarettes are no-name.  They mailed them to me and they came in a plain white box with no label.  I'm going to read the rest of this thread and then step outside to smoke one of them and I'm sure I'll love it.
 
2013-07-28 11:25:15 AM

Saberus Terras: Just watch, the tobacco lobbyists will feed your politicians rigged studies showing how e-cigs are dangerous to their users and somehow to bystanders, then blam, even stricter regulations on e-cigs than ol' tabacco.

And good luck trying to vap anywhere that's non-smoking.  Restauranteurs, receptionists, office managers... not a single one of them will care, it looks like a cig, so it's a cig.  Even if they did, they know that some dipshiat patron won't know the difference and will raise unholy hell over it, so they won't let you.


From personal experience, most e-cig users use the same propriety and protocol that goes along with cigs.  You don't do it in a non-smoker's home, you don't do it in a public place and you don't do it in a place labeled as 'non-smoking.'  Since they're all ex-smokers, it's not like it's a great change in their behavior at all.  I've never seen a e-cig user get upset about not being able to use a vape in a place where they've never been able to smoke before.
 
2013-07-28 11:25:39 AM

Endive Wombat: vegas_greaser: My job just announced that insurance is going up for tobacco users next year by $150 a month and gave all tobacco users 4 days to quit, so a bunch of people started bringing E-Cigs in and selling them to other employees. Then the company also announced that E-Cigs were also covered under the new rules, and that anyone using an E-Cig would also pay $150 more per month for insurance.
Been a grumpy few weeks at the office.

Are they out of their farking minds?  4 days to quit?  4 days?  I mean, I could understand 30-90 days...but 4 days?  4 days to quit using what is probably the most addictive substance most people will encounter in their life.  I am going to guess that zero support was offered here too.

That is really unacceptable.


That.  I've watched my older brother try and fail to quit smoking several times.  I'm pretty sure that nobody could possibly quit in just four days.

/only thing worse was watching my mom try and fail to quit drinking coffee
//at least coffee and tea don't have carcinogens
 
2013-07-28 11:25:56 AM
I'd much rather people smoke these than smoke real cigarettes. Far less disgusting for everyone else around them, less litter, and AFAIK no harmful secondhand effects (or at least none that are proven). I am about as anti-smoking as it gets, having watched relatives die from smoking and having a younger brother who smokes. I'd rather he smoke these than the real thing, and I'm not convinced they should be banned in public (not sure I'd want to share an airline row with someone using one, though, given that they do still give off vapor).

The one issue I might have with these things is that they obviously are still addictive, since they deliver nicotine. So the question is whether they are actually going to be effective long term in helping people quit. It seems to me that as long as the person is addicted to nicotine, and to the ritual of smoking, there is a strong potential that they will revert to smoking. I can certainly see the benefit if the person tapers down on the nicotine content, but that still takes strong willpower and discipline over a long period of time. I've seen several people fail in attempts to quit using nicotine gum or ecigs because they didn't do that rigorously enough.
 
2013-07-28 11:26:07 AM

Sgygus: Go ahead smokers, ignore your health.  That leaves more health for the rest of us.


I like the way you logic, boy.
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2013-07-28 11:26:53 AM

advex101: So, no one has figured out how to use e-cigs as an illegal drug delivery system?  America, I am disappoint.


Oh. They have.

In fact, the vaporizer technology used to "smoke" was originally invented by medical weed users, and there are tons of recipes online for creating the juice (hash oil) to fill your little cartridges. I think that could be the actual reason for a lot of the angst against ecigs.
 
2013-07-28 11:26:53 AM

Saberus Terras: Just watch, the tobacco lobbyists will feed your politicians rigged studies showing how e-cigs are dangerous to their users and somehow to bystanders, then blam, even stricter regulations on e-cigs than ol' tabacco.

And good luck trying to vap anywhere that's non-smoking.  Restauranteurs, receptionists, office managers... not a single one of them will care, it looks like a cig, so it's a cig.  Even if they did, they know that some dipshiat patron won't know the difference and will raise unholy hell over it, so they won't let you.


It's kind of hard to create propaganda against vaping; vapor is proven to be healthier than smoke, the liquid only contains FDA approved falvoring, PG (propylene glycol; used in asthma inhalers), VG (vegetable glycerin; can be mixed in variable ratios to PG. I prefer no VG), and a choice of nicotine content upon purchase.

I don't know if this is true or not, but I heard the Blu is now partnered with RJ Reynolds. If anything, big tobacco wants in.
 
2013-07-28 11:27:00 AM
N.C. just passed a law making it illegal to sell e-cigs to anyone under the age of eighteen. Go figure, I'd rather have my kid sucking on an e-cig rather then a real cigarette.
 
2013-07-28 11:27:32 AM
• A thorough evaluation of the health effects is warranted.

• It is almost certainly less damaging than tobacco smoke.

• Tobacco companies will lobby ferociously against this product if it looks to cut into their profits.

• On the other hand, folks should stop farking their lungs up. Switch to nicotine gum or some such IMO.
 
2013-07-28 11:27:46 AM

gfid: buzzcut73: I've been on e-cigs for a year and a half now.  I tried one Marlboro light when I was drinking with some friends a couple of months back, I -hated- it.

I've used e-cigs for over a year.  I have a few no-name brand cigs  from a marketing experiment left over and I farking love those things.  e-cigs suck.  Still, not surprised that you didn't like Marlboro Lights - worst cigarette ever.

Yeah, the no-name cigarettes are no-name.  They mailed them to me and they came in a plain white box with no label.  I'm going to read the rest of this thread and then step outside to smoke one of them and I'm sure I'll love it.


Darwinism at its finest.
 
2013-07-28 11:28:38 AM

fnordest: In regard to the ones who use e-cigs to quit: I heard in the past that people quitting would carry an unlit cigarette because it was that was the habit beyond the addiction to the nicotine.

E-cigs would satisfy that habit, BUT what happens when you quit the e-cigs?


The ritual of lighting up is there to some extent but the underlying addiction is nicotine. So to give up the e-cig you still have to lose the addiction to nicotine. Maybe use gum or patches as the next step.
 
2013-07-28 11:29:30 AM

buzzcut73: Carth: e-cigarettes are already banned in a good number restaurants around me and all car rental/non smoking hotel rooms.

It is time smokers realize it has never been about your health it is about punishing you for your filthy habit. If you want to smoke you can do it outside in the rain 30 feet from the nearest door.

Yeah, the people that want to ban these too have shown their true colors. It is more of a "Stop liking things that I don't like" than a health issue. I do have to wonder how they're going to know you've been using an e-cig in a rental car or hotel room though. I do it, I just make sure to not use juice that has a strong tobacco scent to it and don't take a drag off of the thing within the last few miles before dropping the rental car off, it has never been an issue.

I've been on e-cigs for a year and a half now.  I tried one Marlboro light when I was drinking with some friends a couple of months back, I -hated- it. Took two drags and threw it in the fire. I'm done with regular smokes thanks to my e-cig, and I'm very happy with that. No more hacking cough, no more smelling like an ashtray (I can't believe I used to smell like that!) and no more yellow fingers.


Good on ya!

ecigs with the fruit flavors mixed with a little mint is actually kinda nice.

I tried my buddy's pomegranate mix and it was really tastey. I don't smoke and don't own an ecig, but if you need nicotine it seems like the most interesting way to get it.
 
2013-07-28 11:29:38 AM

Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.


When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.
 
2013-07-28 11:29:53 AM
I am 39 and had been smoking consistently since I was 14. That's roughly 25 years of smoking!

49 days ago I switched to an e-cig (eGo C-twist with ismoka tank). .

That means today I am 49 days cig-free. I haven't had one real cig since then. I can breathe better, I can smell and taste foods better, I have more energy and I'm saving a ton of money by switching.

I recently stepped down in strength to a 6, and plan to go down to a 3 next month.

Oh, and only buy juice from the US. It's still not a guarantee of quality, but better odds than juices made in other countries.
 
2013-07-28 11:30:29 AM
I'm anxiously awaiting the development of eFood and eBooze.
 
2013-07-28 11:31:11 AM

fnordest: In regard to the ones who use e-cigs to quit: I heard in the past that people quitting would carry an unlit cigarette because it was that was the habit beyond the addiction to the nicotine.

E-cigs would satisfy that habit, BUT what happens when you quit the e-cigs?


In most cases, you have two different kinds of e-cig users:  People who are trying to quit and people who are trying to not die from smoking.

The ones that are trying to quit quickly learn that you can moderate the amount of nicotine that you take in with e-cigs, until they reach the point where they can wean themselves off the e-cigs, too.    The ones that are trying to stay alive and still get their nicotine fix don't care and will 'smoke' e-cigs until they die.
 
2013-07-28 11:31:20 AM

jamspoon: fnordest: In regard to the ones who use e-cigs to quit: I heard in the past that people quitting would carry an unlit cigarette because it was that was the habit beyond the addiction to the nicotine.

E-cigs would satisfy that habit, BUT what happens when you quit the e-cigs?

The ritual of lighting up is there to some extent but the underlying addiction is nicotine. So to give up the e-cig you still have to lose the addiction to nicotine. Maybe use gum or patches as the next step.


Gum and patches never worked for me in the past. Most e-cig users that I know who wanted to stop their nicotine intake completely just gradually lowered their doses until they were vaping %0 nicotine liquid. Some people continued to vape after that point because it became something of a hobby; like hookah smoking.
 
2013-07-28 11:31:39 AM
My company recently went with a no smoking policy. As in zero tolerance, E-cigs included. They were letting people smoke the e-cigs inside prior to the no smoking policy. Now there is no smoking on the property, period.

This of course drives the smokers nuts. They planned on getting in their cars and driving around the block on breaks and at lunch. Much to their chagrin, the company also instituted two additional policies. No leaving the property. They can get away with this because they started paying us for our lunch break, so no leaving the property when you are on the clock. The other policy is no going outside without managerial permission. You can go get something from your car, but the supervisor has to OK it and will watch you.

So now they hide their E-cigs and sneak around the plant, smoking behind various equipment. It's funny to watch
 
2013-07-28 11:32:22 AM

Infernalist: Endive Wombat: Now someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that while nicotine is itself addictive, there was basically no conclusive evidence between pure nicotine usage and cancer.

No, you're right.  It's the other crap in cigs that cause the cancer, not the nicotine itself.


That was my impression to.  If I can't smell what you are doing, it doesn't cause me cancer and won't get me hooked on nicotine then I don't care if you do it.  I've only ever hated the smell.  It would be nice not to have to ford my way through huddled masses of smokers out front of my building in the middle of winter.
 
2013-07-28 11:33:20 AM

AirForceVet: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.

When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.


Dude, you need to relax.  Have a smoke or something.
 
2013-07-28 11:33:51 AM

Mnemia: The one issue I might have with these things is that they obviously are still addictive, since they deliver nicotine. So the question is whether they are actually going to be effective long term in helping people quit. It seems to me that as long as the person is addicted to nicotine, and to the ritual of smoking, there is a strong potential that they will revert to smoking.


Even people who have quit present a danger of lapsing back into smoking. That never goes away.

If the desire to stop damaging one's body can be imprinted in a smoker, and a safe way to get the hit is provided, that's probably the best way to stop a health-conscious person from lapsing back into smoking. Even if they quit entirely, if they do lapse, they can lapse onto a safe nicotine delivery system.
 
2013-07-28 11:34:30 AM

billy_chuck: I'm anxiously awaiting the development of eFood and eBooze.


F-that.. where I my e-sex ...? I want my custom made fem-bot...!
 
2013-07-28 11:35:03 AM

Infernalist: Saberus Terras: Just watch, the tobacco lobbyists will feed your politicians rigged studies showing how e-cigs are dangerous to their users and somehow to bystanders, then blam, even stricter regulations on e-cigs than ol' tabacco.

And good luck trying to vap anywhere that's non-smoking.  Restauranteurs, receptionists, office managers... not a single one of them will care, it looks like a cig, so it's a cig.  Even if they did, they know that some dipshiat patron won't know the difference and will raise unholy hell over it, so they won't let you.

From personal experience, most e-cig users use the same propriety and protocol that goes along with cigs.  You don't do it in a non-smoker's home, you don't do it in a public place and you don't do it in a place labeled as 'non-smoking.'  Since they're all ex-smokers, it's not like it's a great change in their behavior at all.  I've never seen a e-cig user get upset about not being able to use a vape in a place where they've never been able to smoke before.


My wife's first e-cig was after I got out of the hospital from my lung surgery (walking pneumonia turned pleural effusion, all the doctors agreed it had nothing to do with second-hand smoke).

Plastered all over the package was the promise that you could vap anywhere, anytime, since it's not a cigarette.  We went to a restaurant for our anniversary and she brought it with her, and she had it out when our waitress came to get drink orders, waitress said there was no smoking allowed, wife told her it wasn't smoke, just water vapor.  Waitress talks to manager, manager comes out with "I don't care if it farts gold dust, you will not smoke that in here."

She tried, but after that, just stuck to no-smoking signs also meaning "We're dipshiats who can't tell the difference."
 
2013-07-28 11:36:01 AM

AirForceVet: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.

When do habaneros and other hot peppers emit a drug-laced vapor, i.e. nicotine, that others can inhale? Just farkin' use a patch or chew the gum.

And don't rationalize your behavior, FuzedBox, Yes, caffeine is a drug also. But people don't farkin' smoke it and emit it in vapor around the room. They primarily drink it.

I DON'T GIVE A FARK IF YOU INJECT, SWALLOW, SNORT, ABSORB THROUGH SKIN OR EAT YOUR DRUG OF CHOICE YOURSELF.

DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.


You're confusing vapor with smoke. As I already mentioned: vapor farking dissipates very rapidly, unlike smoke. I vape in the house all the time, and my two nonsmoking roomates love the fact that it doesn't affect them at all.
 
2013-07-28 11:36:51 AM

LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.


Hell, I'm of the opinion that the VA should hand these out to all the smokers in the hospitals. They don't have to go outside in the snow to smoke unless they want to, the VA doesn't have to spend money maintaining/warming/heating a smoking shelter in the middle of Milwaukee winters, and hopefully, the health effects aren't as bad. Moreover, the smells are gone (the elevators and rooms sometimes smell from patients getting into them right after they smoke) and I don't have to nearly puke when I have to intubate a smoker, or deal with their crappy lung function and poor ventilation during wake ups and anesthesia inductions.

Hopefully, there will be less litter too, though I don't know how the e-cigs are packaged.

I'm of the opinion that smokers of standard cigarettes should in fact be stigmatized. They stink up building entrances and elevators when they come back from their smoke breaks and the litter--holy fark, they are a filthy group with respect to litter. I took a few pictures trash cans around the hospital last spring as the snow was melting and uncovering all the cigarettes that had been thrown in the snow within 3 feet of a trash can over the course of the winter. Why? The snow banks are waist high, you can put your cig out in the snow, reach over and throw it away. But no, even if you put a trash can or an ashtray in a spot where people congregate to smoke (at the entrance of every building, so we have to walk through their stink) they throw their shiat on the ground.

And of course, every single smoker I met and every single smoker on fark says they don't litter. They have a bottle with water in their car and put their cig out on that, they never throw it out the window. They use ashtrays or put out a cig with their foot, pick it up and throw it in the trash, they never litter on the sidewalk or on the building entrance. Every single smoker swears they don't litter, but yet I can't remember the last time I saw somebody NOT flick a cig on the ground, nor can I remember the last time I saw somebody put out a cig on the ground and then throw it in the trash. Hell, I've seen somebody flick a cig on the ground in front of a gas pump at a gas station in the middle of Oklahoma on a 100 degree day.

Yeah, traditional cig smokers need to be stigmatized. I've yet to see an e-cig user throw their whatever that thing is on the ground, nor have I ever been bothered by their smoke smell outside the building. So yeah, I'm way in favor of e-cigs.
 
2013-07-28 11:36:57 AM

DoughyGuy: I guess in the grand scheme of things I'm better off.


Yes, you're better off. My Dad's wife, who hadn't smoked in 10 years, started using eCigs after he father died unexpectedly. She's back to a pack a day of the real thing now and is just kicking herself over it.
 
2013-07-28 11:37:12 AM

Saberus Terras: Infernalist: Saberus Terras: Just watch, the tobacco lobbyists will feed your politicians rigged studies showing how e-cigs are dangerous to their users and somehow to bystanders, then blam, even stricter regulations on e-cigs than ol' tabacco.

And good luck trying to vap anywhere that's non-smoking.  Restauranteurs, receptionists, office managers... not a single one of them will care, it looks like a cig, so it's a cig.  Even if they did, they know that some dipshiat patron won't know the difference and will raise unholy hell over it, so they won't let you.

From personal experience, most e-cig users use the same propriety and protocol that goes along with cigs.  You don't do it in a non-smoker's home, you don't do it in a public place and you don't do it in a place labeled as 'non-smoking.'  Since they're all ex-smokers, it's not like it's a great change in their behavior at all.  I've never seen a e-cig user get upset about not being able to use a vape in a place where they've never been able to smoke before.

My wife's first e-cig was after I got out of the hospital from my lung surgery (walking pneumonia turned pleural effusion, all the doctors agreed it had nothing to do with second-hand smoke).

Plastered all over the package was the promise that you could vap anywhere, anytime, since it's not a cigarette.  We went to a restaurant for our anniversary and she brought it with her, and she had it out when our waitress came to get drink orders, waitress said there was no smoking allowed, wife told her it wasn't smoke, just water vapor.  Waitress talks to manager, manager comes out with "I don't care if it farts gold dust, you will not smoke that in here."

She tried, but after that, just stuck to no-smoking signs also meaning "We're dipshiats who can't tell the difference."


Yeah, you can't go against cultural expectations like that.  Just keep doing what you've been doing for the last...however long she's been smoking.  Don't use them in public places or in non-smoking establishments.  Feel free to 'ask' the manager if it means that much to you, but don't expect people to be able to tell the difference between cigs and e-cigs.
 
2013-07-28 11:37:50 AM
20+ years smoker.  Only thing EVER that has helped me quit.  Down to lowest nicotine, next step is no nicotine.  They only have a faint scent of whatever flavor you choose.

Anti-smokers are as awful as anti-abortion Christians.

My Vea and a cuppa coffee.
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2013-07-28 11:38:27 AM

AirForceVet: DON"T SPREAD IT AROUND IN ENCLOSED ROOMS AS A VAPOR, DUMBASSES.


Are you this upset about perfume, potpourri, scented candles, air freshener, surface cleaners, microwaved popcorn etc?  Unless you are, you really have no business whining.
 
2013-07-28 11:38:54 AM
Personally, I love the idea. Maybe they're not "safe," necessarily, but classical cigarettes are pretty farking damaging. It would be tough for e-cigs to be worse. Most likely, they're less harmful.

/Non-smoker. Non-scientist.
 
2013-07-28 11:39:11 AM

JungleBoogie: • A thorough evaluation of the health effects is warranted.

• It is almost certainly less damaging than tobacco smoke.

• Tobacco companies will lobby ferociously against this product if it looks to cut into their profits.

• On the other hand, folks should stop farking their lungs up. Switch to nicotine gum or some such IMO.


Tobacco companies are jumping on the e cig bandwagon because they are losing smokers to the devices.  Marlboro will be releasing one soon.  So the future of actual cigarettes is already in jeopardy.
 
2013-07-28 11:39:19 AM

anfrind: Endive Wombat: vegas_greaser: My job just announced that insurance is going up for tobacco users next year by $150 a month and gave all tobacco users 4 days to quit, so a bunch of people started bringing E-Cigs in and selling them to other employees. Then the company also announced that E-Cigs were also covered under the new rules, and that anyone using an E-Cig would also pay $150 more per month for insurance.
Been a grumpy few weeks at the office.

Are they out of their farking minds?  4 days to quit?  4 days?  I mean, I could understand 30-90 days...but 4 days?  4 days to quit using what is probably the most addictive substance most people will encounter in their life.  I am going to guess that zero support was offered here too.

That is really unacceptable.

That.  I've watched my older brother try and fail to quit smoking several times.  I'm pretty sure that nobody could possibly quit in just four days.

/only thing worse was watching my mom try and fail to quit drinking coffee
//at least coffee and tea don't have carcinogens


I used to smoke almost 2 packs a day.  Quitting was somewhat of a (albeit quick) evolutionary process for me.  What I mean by that is I chopped down to a full pack, to a 1/2 pack, then done...cold turkey.  I did this over the course of about a week, maybe 10 days.

It has been 4 years since I have had a smoke.

But...It took about 2 or so months to wind down my addiction, what I mean is that I had to get myself mentally prepared for it.  I cannot fathom how people go from burning a pack or more to outright quitting.

While I agree smoking is very nasty, and horrible to ones health, asking ones employees to just stop in such a short time span is pretty masochistic in my opinion.
 
2013-07-28 11:39:35 AM

Carth: e-cigarettes are already banned in a good number restaurants around me and all car rental/non smoking hotel rooms.

It is time smokers realize it has never been about your health it is about punishing you for your filthy habit. If you want to smoke you can do it outside in the rain 30 feet from the nearest door.


Except that smoking eCigs has no smell, no residue, and leaves no filth like second-hand smoke.

Nice troll attempt.
 
2013-07-28 11:40:40 AM
Knock yourselves out.  There have been dumber looking fashion fads, but I can't think of any at the moment.
 
2013-07-28 11:42:09 AM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Knock yourselves out.  There have been dumber looking fashion fads, but I can't think of any at the moment.


Aesthetics are nothing compared to functionality; I've felt better in the last two years than I have in a whole decade, thanks to the switch.
 
2013-07-28 11:42:20 AM

zabadu: JungleBoogie: • A thorough evaluation of the health effects is warranted.

• It is almost certainly less damaging than tobacco smoke.

• Tobacco companies will lobby ferociously against this product if it looks to cut into their profits.

• On the other hand, folks should stop farking their lungs up. Switch to nicotine gum or some such IMO.

Tobacco companies are jumping on the e cig bandwagon because they are losing smokers to the devices.  Marlboro will be releasing one soon.  So the future of actual cigarettes is already in jeopardy.


That is the one good thing about corporations: They'll abandon a filthy product like cigs if they can make money off of a better product.

Of course, it's sad that I'm pleased that our real life corporations don't function like a bunch of Captain Planet cartoon villains.
 
2013-07-28 11:43:38 AM
I wonder what the world would be like if all the people biatching about ecigs put their energy into doing something about diesel soot.
 
2013-07-28 11:44:21 AM
Nut up and quit, f*ckers.  It's only hard for the first few days.
 
2013-07-28 11:45:05 AM

Fuggin Bizzy: Personally, I love the idea. Maybe they're not "safe," necessarily, but classical cigarettes are pretty farking damaging. It would be tough for e-cigs to be worse. Most likely, they're less harmful.

/Non-smoker. Non-scientist.


The nicotine itself has been shown to have health benefits in the form of keeping dementia and Alzheimers at lower risks of occurrence.  As long as the flavorings aren't toxic when inhaled (and most are already fda approved for ingestion), the e-cigs might actually be beneficial.
 
2013-07-28 11:46:06 AM

Molavian: Nut up and quit, f*ckers.  It's only hard for the first few days.


There's a lot of phallic symbolism in this lil troll post.  Makes me wonder about you, son.
 
2013-07-28 11:47:15 AM

Infernalist: gfid: buzzcut73: I've been on e-cigs for a year and a half now.  I tried one Marlboro light when I was drinking with some friends a couple of months back, I -hated- it.

I've used e-cigs for over a year.  I have a few no-name brand cigs  from a marketing experiment left over and I farking love those things.  e-cigs suck.  Still, not surprised that you didn't like Marlboro Lights - worst cigarette ever.

Yeah, the no-name cigarettes are no-name.  They mailed them to me and they came in a plain white box with no label.  I'm going to read the rest of this thread and then step outside to smoke one of them and I'm sure I'll love it.

Darwinism at its finest.


Meh - I don't think one more cigarette will kill me.  I used to smoke 2 packs a day and I'm not dead yet.  It takes a long time and even then most smokers don't die from cigarette-related problems.

I might not even smoke that real cigarette.  I'm actually getting hungry now.  I'll probably eat something horribly unhealthy while I puff on my e-cig which probably contains the worst carcinogens man has yet to identify.
 
2013-07-28 11:47:22 AM

Carth: e-cigarettes are already banned in a good number restaurants around me and all car rental/non smoking hotel rooms.

It is time smokers realize it has never been about your health it is about punishing you for your filthy habit. If you want to smoke you can do it outside in the rain 30 feet from the nearest door.


I wonder if the issue with some restaurant is more a matter of courtesy than anything else. What I mean is, it's not generally socially acceptable to use a toothpick at the table in a restaurant while people around you are eating. Is the e-cig that much different otherwise?

I'm frankly not against people using e-cigs around me as long as the vapor isn't harmful to me and as long as there is no smell. Especially if it helps them quit real cigarettes altogether. Perhaps with that goal in mind, we as a society should give extra leeway to e-cigs that we don't afford to others. Perhaps we can allow them to smoke them in airplanes (again, assuming the vapor is not harmful) and in restaurants to give people an incentive to switch to e-cigs and be able to get their fix in situations where they would have otherwise had to either wait or go outside in the cold/rain/heat/sun etc.
 
2013-07-28 11:47:45 AM
Anyone who wants to ban these isn't a health nut.  They're a moran.

This removes all negative effects of smoking on others, while being vastly less bad for actual smokers.

It's like banning a form of alcohol that prevents drunk driving.
 
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