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2013-07-28 10:43:41 AM  
How soon before we get e-chaw or e-snuff?
 
2013-07-28 10:44:04 AM  
So, no one has figured out how to use e-cigs as an illegal drug delivery system?  America, I am disappoint.
 
2013-07-28 10:44:18 AM  
I'm just starting to use e-cigs to quit smoking. I'm 43 and started smoking when I was 16, so it is quite a change.

I get all the smoker hate in the thread (I don't litter, and I go far away from others when I light up) but dammit, don't charge me more for health care than the fat bastards who need a cart to get their sugar loaded crap at Wal*Mart. If you can't walk to buy it, you don't need it.
 
2013-07-28 10:46:13 AM  
In regard to the ones who use e-cigs to quit: I heard in the past that people quitting would carry an unlit cigarette because it was that was the habit beyond the addiction to the nicotine.

E-cigs would satisfy that habit, BUT what happens when you quit the e-cigs?
 
2013-07-28 10:47:06 AM  

DubyaHater: I don't know much about the e-cigs and I certainly DNRTFA. I would think an e-cig habit is rather cost prohibitive. My guess is a pack of e-cigs cost 10x a pack of cigarettes.


It's just the opposite. I switched to an ecig to quit and the cartridges last the equivalent of a pack of cigarettes (give or take) and a pack of 5 cartridges was $9.
 
2013-07-28 10:47:33 AM  
Every time I see someone, male or female, smoking an e-cigarette the phrase:  "Total Dweep" comes to mind.  I always wonder, "Do they put water in a beer class and pretend that they are drinking beer?"
 
2013-07-28 10:47:55 AM  
Jerry Espenson busts a gut
 
2013-07-28 10:48:50 AM  

duffblue: Somacandra: Shadowknight: I will never get my mom to stop smoking...maybe it's not too much to ask for her to stop destroying ours or stenching up the place.

Gift her a hookah and and some honeydew tobacco. And some appropriate charcoal. Everyone will be much happier.

You are an idiot.


You are an ass.
 
2013-07-28 10:51:09 AM  
They want them in the same category as cigs to justify taxing them like cigs.
 
2013-07-28 10:51:52 AM  
The military bans their use indoors. As do a few businesses I frequent.

/addiction is a terrible thing
 
2013-07-28 10:53:20 AM  
Smoker:  So what I really like to do is take this toxic weed, dry it out, roll it up into a stick, put it in my mouth and then light  the other end on fire.

Non-smoke:  Is that safe?

Smoker:  Well the weed is toxic...  and addictive...

Non-smoker:  That doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

Smoker:  You're crazy!


lolz
 
2013-07-28 10:54:11 AM  

serpent_sky: They don't smell, you don't even notice someone is using one around you. I mean, right next to you, even.


It does have a smell.  It doesn't last long, and it's vaguely ozone-like.  I don't find it particularly disagreeable, but I can see why some people would complain about it on a plane.  Add to the fact that we are conditioned to see people smoking a cigarette and being repulsed by it these days, I can see why it is banned on planes, restaurants, workplaces...

That said, I also see the benefit in making it so that people don't need to take hourly smoke breaks to prevent them from becoming moody bastards at work.  But that's something that can be overcome with a gum or patch, and eventually just quitting, but hey, it's your life.  At least the e-cigs don't make me smell you from a room away.
 
2013-07-28 10:54:47 AM  
If it weren't for e-cigs, my hubby would probably have COPD or lung cancer by now. Why would people be against them?

/dnrtfa
//will go rtfa
 
2013-07-28 10:55:02 AM  
I smoked 2-3 packs/day for 20 years and quit almost 2 years ago. What worked for me, after all the usual failed attempts, was a combination of chantix and wellbutrin. It still takes a good dose of willpower, but the meds taking some of the edge off made the difference between success and failure. I stopped taking both after about 3 months. None of the nicotine replacement products ever worked for me long term.
 
2013-07-28 10:55:23 AM  
That fake "smoke" you see after someone takes a drag off an e-cig comes from glycol. The same stuff used in fog machines in night clubs and also the crap I spray all over airplanes in the winter to de-ice them.

Chew nicotine gum if you want nicotine so badly.
 
2013-07-28 10:55:29 AM  

Disgruntled Goat: I couldn't care less what smokers do to their own bodies. It's the smoke in the room, the stench permeating everything and the fact that smokers think it's okay to toss their used butts anywhere they please that pisses me off.


Nothing ruins the beauty of being outside for me like a bunch of cigarette butts all over the ground... that or gum left all over the place.... farking animals.
 
2013-07-28 10:55:55 AM  
I quit smoking about 6 years ago, and I've often thought about picking up an ecig for the odd occasion when I still have a craving (yes, even after 6 years, you still get the occasional "God, I could use a smoke right now" moments)

But - I guess in the grand scheme of things I'm better off. It's a matter of not wanting to be 'addicted' to nicotine again, mainly because I hated the way my irritability would climb the longer I went without a cigarette. I also like not having to stand around in horrible weather puffing on a smoke because you can't smoke just about anywhere any more.

The article says that there is no clear info as to whether the vapor is more or less dangerous than cigarette smoke. But I'd be interested in any studies that may be out there about the long term affects of nicotine *by itself*, not in cigarette smoke. Someone once told me that it tends to increase blood pressure, but that was one (non-medical) person. Off to Wikipedia I go! (voom!)
 
2013-07-28 10:57:14 AM  

sendtodave: Militant anti-smokers are bigger douches than smokers.


The only thing worse are Militant Ex-smokers
 
2013-07-28 10:57:32 AM  

katerbug72: If it weren't for e-cigs, my hubby would probably have COPD or lung cancer by now. Why would people be against them?

/dnrtfa
//will go rtfa


He has also quit the e-cigs now too, btw. He went from the US e-smokes with nicotine to the Canadian ones with just a flavour vapour. It's the only quit method that worked for him.
 
2013-07-28 10:57:40 AM  
Finally got an old friend to quit by pushing her to these.  She no longer smells nor tastes like an ashtray, so there's my benefit, and she feels a ton better and is getting out more, now that she has energy again.

I'm bothered by the fact that so many are quick to lump E-cigs in with cigarettes even though they're entirely different from each other.
 
2013-07-28 10:58:56 AM  
Now someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that while nicotine is itself addictive, there was basically no conclusive evidence between pure nicotine usage and cancer.
 
2013-07-28 10:59:54 AM  
♫ I can't get no satisfaction ♫

.....from electronic cigarettes.
 
2013-07-28 11:00:48 AM  

Endive Wombat: Now someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that while nicotine is itself addictive, there was basically no conclusive evidence between pure nicotine usage and cancer.


No, you're right.  It's the other crap in cigs that cause the cancer, not the nicotine itself.
 
2013-07-28 11:00:58 AM  
Do you smokers know what chemicals they're using in those e-cigs? Sure, it seems healthier because there's no smoke, but you're still willingly inhaling carcinogens just to stick it to us non-smokers. That, to me, is hilarious.
 
2013-07-28 11:01:18 AM  
I am an anti-smoking health nut, and I will recommend e-cigs to any smoker I can.  Better for them, better for everyone else.

Much as someone who is truly "pro-life" must support free birth control in order to appear reasonable, any reasonable anti-smoker has to be pro-e-cig.

And yes, I get annoyed by the places banning them.  At least they are, I believe, easier to hide.
 
2013-07-28 11:01:55 AM  
I was sitting in a movie theatre close to the front 2 seats away from a guy who was nearly chain smoking an e-cig because either he could or was a nicotine addict I don't know. It didn't smell or bother me much but I wasn't sitting behind him where there were huge visible clouds of vapor obscuring the screen. The only odd thing is no one cared.
 
2013-07-28 11:02:16 AM  
Switching to PVs has been the best choice of my adult life. Don't buy the cheapass kits from stores; go online and get some quality stuff like a Provari, LavaTube for good variable voltage devices, and eGo or iTaste if you want something mid sized. Still too big? Then get a good 510 kit; a Joye-T  or Magma-T is good beginner's setup.

Been vaping for over two years now. I can run without weasing, my lungs don't ever hurt, and the experience just doesn't feel as addicting without all the additives. Being able to gently lower the dose of the liquid has helped many people quit smoking. I started at 24mg, and am now at 8mg.
 
2013-07-28 11:02:39 AM  

LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.


Mmmm, emitting a vapor that contains a known drug that has side effects? Yeah, I want that floating around me in an enclosed room. Piss off, addicts.

You should do what heroin addicts do and shoot up quietly in the bathroom stalls or justwear a farkin' patch. Enough with the oral fixations.
 
2013-07-28 11:03:16 AM  

Disgruntled Goat: I couldn't care less what smokers do to their own bodies. It's the smoke in the room, the stench permeating everything and the fact that smokers think it's okay to toss their used butts anywhere they please that pisses me off.


Went hiking up a mountain trail the other weekend. On the way down, lying directly in the middle of the path was somebody's cigarette butt. Not too far off was the wrapper from their cough drop. I wanted to catch up to them for ease of strangling.
 
2013-07-28 11:03:21 AM  

Infernalist: Finally got an old friend to quit by pushing her to these.  She no longer smells nor tastes like an ashtray,


Exactly how often are you tasting your friend?
 
2013-07-28 11:03:28 AM  
My job just announced that insurance is going up for tobacco users next year by $150 a month and gave all tobacco users 4 days to quit, so a bunch of people started bringing E-Cigs in and selling them to other employees. Then the company also announced that E-Cigs were also covered under the new rules, and that anyone using an E-Cig would also pay $150 more per month for insurance.
Been a grumpy few weeks at the office.
 
2013-07-28 11:04:19 AM  

Shadowknight: I may never get her to stop destroying her own health, but maybe it's not too much to ask for her to stop destroying ours or stenching up the place.


My wife and I both smoke as well as others in our families. If we have family over for the holidays all the smokers will go out to the garage to smoke just to be courteous.  That's only for an afternoon of evening though. If they were here a whole month? Well, too bad. I wouldn't smoke at their house but this is my house. Sorry, you can deal with it or stay somewhere else.
 
2013-07-28 11:04:45 AM  

AirForceVet: LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.

Mmmm, emitting a vapor that contains a known drug that has side effects? Yeah, I want that floating around me in an enclosed room. Piss off, addicts.

You should do what heroin addicts do and shoot up quietly in the bathroom stalls or justwear a farkin' patch. Enough with the oral fixations.


Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.
 
2013-07-28 11:04:55 AM  

Endive Wombat: Now someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that while nicotine is itself addictive, there was basically no conclusive evidence between pure nicotine usage and cancer.


Pretty much, but nicotine is a pretty potent stimulant.  It will cause you all sorts of other issues unrelated to the carcinogens in the actual cigarettes..
 
2013-07-28 11:06:47 AM  

Shadowknight: Infernalist: Finally got an old friend to quit by pushing her to these.  She no longer smells nor tastes like an ashtray,

Exactly how often are you tasting your friend?


Not nearly often enough, she's a cutie.
 
2013-07-28 11:07:59 AM  

simusid: cigs are going up $1 per pack next week in MA.   I have multiple friends who want to quit smoking in order to save money.   They are all using e-cigs.   I don't care if it works or if it saves money.   I'm buying stock in e-cig companies!


I wonder what they would tax to make up for the loss of all that money if all the smokers suddenly gave up smoking?
 
2013-07-28 11:09:32 AM  

vegas_greaser: My job just announced that insurance is going up for tobacco users next year by $150 a month and gave all tobacco users 4 days to quit, so a bunch of people started bringing E-Cigs in and selling them to other employees. Then the company also announced that E-Cigs were also covered under the new rules, and that anyone using an E-Cig would also pay $150 more per month for insurance.
Been a grumpy few weeks at the office.


Well, that's bullshiat. Why lump e-cigs in there?
 
2013-07-28 11:10:48 AM  

Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too


Wait, is there such a thing as secondhand habanero vapor? Can I see the study?
 
2013-07-28 11:11:27 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: but you're still willingly inhaling carcinogens just to stick it to us non-smokers.


Yes. Smokers do it because you're so important they're willing to take the risk just to stick it to you.

/get over yourself.
 
2013-07-28 11:12:33 AM  
It can't be as bad as smoking, right? And even so, I'll just sticked to modified BHO pen...
 
2013-07-28 11:12:44 AM  

Serious Black: berylman: I notice that a Nuvo e-cig advertisement popped at the top of the Fark bar at the same time as this thread. Never seen that before and I don't smoke or no reason to be marketed to.  Any one else get this or just a coincidence?

Me too. Coincidentally just after I posted in this thread. Drew, did you let PRISM get onto Fark again?


And that is why I don't feed the fark squirrel.  I don't need bukkake ads showing up in the corner.
 
2013-07-28 11:13:28 AM  
I stood next to a guy using an ecig on a train the other day. He was really going at it, just constantly puffing it. It did not smell at all - if I hadn't seen him doing it I never would have known. After about 20 minutes though I started to get a headache, which went away as soon as he got off the train.

It made me wonder if maybe not all the nicotine was being absorbed by his lungs.

Still, it was infinitely more pleasant than standing next to a smoker or a homeless guy.
 
2013-07-28 11:13:35 AM  
"Patients have come in and say, 'Gee, I've tried this new form of cigarette. It's great. I'm smoking a non-toxic form of cigarette,'" said Dr. Neil Schachter, a lung doctor in New York,. "I say to them ... 'I don't know if this is non-toxic.'"

A million times this!

Hey, I switched to e-cigs, but this e-liquid crap I buy?  How the hell do I know what's in it?  The fact is, I don't.

It's made in farking China - the country that put poison in baby formula.  It could contain all sorts of shiat.  Sometimes I wonder if I'd be healthier if I just went out and bought a pack of real cigarettes.

Of course, the healthiest thing to do would be to give it up altogether, but that's difficult.

It's certainly not as satisfying as an actual cigarette.  I'm constantly charging the farking e-cigs and refilling them so it's not more convenient.   If I still actually smoked, it would be trivial to pull out a cigarette and light it and I would instantly feel the nicotine (and 1000 other chemicals) hit me and I would be momentarily satisfied.

They are cheaper though and I don't really give a fark if I die, so I've got that going for me.
 
2013-07-28 11:14:43 AM  

Serious Black: AirForceVet: LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.

Mmmm, emitting a vapor that contains a known drug that has side effects? Yeah, I want that floating around me in an enclosed room. Piss off, addicts.

You should do what heroin addicts do and shoot up quietly in the bathroom stalls or justwear a farkin' patch. Enough with the oral fixations.

Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too. I don't see you running around trying to ban people from eating ridiculously spicy foods.


Good point, I never heard anyone complaining about the spicy clouds around those people. It is pure discrimination!
 
2013-07-28 11:14:51 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Serious Black: Eating habaneros and other hot peppers can have side effects too

Wait, is there such a thing as secondhand habanero vapor? Can I see the study?


Maybe they're referring to the inevitable explosive methane release?
 
2013-07-28 11:14:58 AM  

Friend of the Devil: It can't be as bad as smoking, right? And even so, I'll just sticked to modified BHO pen...


It's nicotine without the unholy crap that they put into cigs to make them so addictive, with a water vapor byproduct.

There's no smoke, there's no stink, no cancer-causing agents and users can slowly decrease the nicotine they're taking in, over time.
 
2013-07-28 11:15:12 AM  

AirForceVet: LadyHawke: So long as it really is only vapor coming out of the end (I haven't at all looked into the science behind the e-cig and only know what the commercials say), go nuts.  I'm not against people doing things to themselves so long as others aren't harmed/unnecessarily inconvenienced.

Mmmm, emitting a vapor that contains a known drug that has side effects? Yeah, I want that floating around me in an enclosed room. Piss off, addicts.

You should do what heroin addicts do and shoot up quietly in the bathroom stalls or justwear a farkin' patch. Enough with the oral fixations.


Nicotine alone is about on par with caffeine in terms of how bad for you it is. Vapor dissipates rapidly upon exhale, and depending on how long it was held in, barely any noticeable vapor at all. Even if you were to walk straight into a vapor cloud, you won't be inhaling formaldehyde, arsenic, cyanide, and a whole host of random carcinogens that are present in cigarette smoke, and it's usually odorless to boot.

Vaping has helped people quit a disgusting habit, and it's far less offensive. In short, quit your biatching and mind your own goddamn business.
 
2013-07-28 11:17:31 AM  

cman: Why should anyone care if I put nicotine, or THC, or even a dick in my own colon? Its my farking body.


We don't care what you choose to insert up your ass, just don't expect us to recognize you as some sort of special minority simply because you want to define yourself by your sexual proclivities.

Me, I see myself as a hard working, productive, tax paying member of society.
You, you see yourself as a sodomite.

Well done. As a group you have successfully bullied western society into accepting your definition of marriage and mate using political correctness, shame tactics, and a non existent group of wandering gay bashers that none of you have ever actually encountered.
 
2013-07-28 11:18:44 AM  
I went from smoking 1 to 1 1/2 packs a day to under 5 a day using my new Vaping kit--which costs 50 bucks.   Monthly maintenance and buying more nicotine costs about 20 a month--a savings of $150 per month!  I can sneak a vape anywhere when it's absolutely necessary.  I flew a few weeks ago and Southwest airlines bans their use--I think I could have sneaked one in the bathroom but didn't want to risk the whole federal "interfering with a flight crew" charge, so I didn't.  But it worked in the airport restrooms when I was stranded for 5 hours in freaking Newark!
 
2013-07-28 11:18:50 AM  

Ohlookabutterfly: cman: Why should anyone care if I put nicotine, or THC, or even a dick in my own colon? Its my farking body.

We don't care what you choose to insert up your ass, just don't expect us to recognize you as some sort of special minority simply because you want to define yourself by your sexual proclivities.

Me, I see myself as a hard working, productive, tax paying member of society.
You, you see yourself as a sodomite.

Well done. As a group you have successfully bullied western society into accepting your definition of marriage and mate using political correctness, shame tactics, and a non existent group of wandering gay bashers that none of you have ever actually encountered.

 
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