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(AZCentral)   As long as there are old people, the phone landline will never go obsolete. "We are not really computer savvy"   (azcentral.com) divider line 20
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4271 clicks; posted to Main » on 28 Jul 2013 at 9:50 AM (37 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2013-07-28 08:04:49 AM
5 votes:
If I give up my landline, how will I be able to call my cell when I can't remember where I set it down in the house?
2013-07-28 09:06:38 AM
3 votes:
I have a cell phone, gave up the landline years ago, but I only did that because of cost. I rarely, if ever use the phone. With a pay as you go plan I spend about $5-10 a month vs $30-40 plus long distance of a landline. However I would much rather have a land line phone, the sound quality of cell phone is absolutely horrendous. It's fine if you're only talking for a minute or two, but longer than that and it really stands out just how piss poor cell phones networks are.

Not only is the sound quality bad, but I would give my left nut for a traditional sized phone. Holding that little credit card sized POS for any length of time is a pain in the ass too.
2013-07-28 02:52:12 PM
2 votes:

Flint Ironstag: Turbo Cojones: Flint Ironstag: here to help: Waldo Pepper: but it is sad to see you equate overpriced cell phones and service with importance.

My point was it is unlikely you are important enough to anyone in society that it is absolutely imperative you can be reached at all times. The vast majority of calls made on celphones is inane jibber jabber that could wait until you get home or to your office. It's a waste of time, money and brainpower.

But you knew that's what I meant, didn't you?

Cellphones aren't anything to do with how "important" you are, and haven't been since the day of Yuppies. Now it's "wife has gone to the store and I've just noticed we're out of mayo but iI can call her" or "I'm stuck in traffic and going to be late so I should call", common everyday occurances where having a cellphone has made a huge ddifference to everyday life.

So your argument is that cell phones are important because they let us maintain appearances while being forgetful and not planning for normal eventualities I take it?

The reality of cell phones as toys dawned on me when a douche that I went out for drinks with sat at the sidewalk table and pulled up "weather.com" to check the weather....While we were sitting outside.  I'm guessing that 99% of all cell phone use is just as important.

Phones are a tool. You can use a hammer to build a house or to kill someone. Do you blame the hammer or the person who decides how to use it?

Some people are dicks. Guess what, give them a phone and they'll use a phone like a dick.

You can survive without a cellphone. Just as you can survive without a landline, a TV, a car, a microwave oven or a hundred other modern devices people managed without for centuries. But if this person you went out for drinks with got stuck in traffic on the way to meet you wouldn't you call them a dick for not calling you to let you know? Or would you rather just sit there with no idea whether they were stuck in traffic or just forgot about you? Or if you ...


Here is what we used to do in the Old days before cell phones. "oh I guess he/she must be stuck in traffic, I guess I'll do something why I wait" Turns on radio, hears traffic report 95 southbound major backup. "yep just what I thought stuck in traffic"

Life ain't perfect and we dont' need to know what is happening to everyone every second of their and our lives.
2013-07-28 10:57:13 AM
2 votes:
I live in the heart of San Francisco and I will have a landline until I die. 1989 taught me some powerful lessons, among them:

* Liquor stores are closed during disasters
* ATMs don't work without electricity
* Neither do refrigerators
* Nor do cordless phones, cell phones, VOIP, etc.
* No matter how uncomfortable you might be, people within a few miles have it much, much worse

I had phone service throughout the night of October 17, and was able to get a long-distance call out before 9pm, while the office and its PBX didn't have power for two days.

My earthquake kit contains (among other things) candles, a few hundred bucks in small bills, lifeboat rations (food and water), first aid supplies. broken-in shoes with clean socks and a Western Electric Princess phone.
2013-07-28 10:37:14 AM
2 votes:
Lesson learned from all the hurricanes is always have a land line. They are buried here and the only thing that has continued working through all of the hurricanes.
We had to evacuate and would call the answering machine to see if the house was still there.
2013-07-28 10:35:12 AM
2 votes:
Landline phone connections beat the crap out of ANY cell phone I've used.  The cell phones make it all but impossible to talk like you have a true duplex connection; those little vocalizations, like "mmm-hmm, yep,  uh-huh", that you make, as a way to signal comprehension and move a conversation along, don't work well over cel phones because of a palpable delay; the entire conversation grinds to a halt every time you try to interject one word over the other person.. I find the only way to get a clear speech out on my cell is to talk like it's a farking CB radio, taking turns, and this is nothing like a normal human conversation where you talk over each other at certain points.  I find it incredibly unnerving and wearying.
2013-07-28 10:24:13 AM
2 votes:
I get zero cell service at my house. No cable either, so my only connectivity is through the land line and DSL.  I get my TV through dish. Not all of the US has cell coverage you know. last time our power was out was for 3 days, I'd sure love to be worrying about charging my cell phone and keeping my "network extender" powered up so I can talk to people.  My sister lives in a very populated area in NJ, and was without power or cell service during the last storms for 6 days. Her land line worked fine though, and allowed her to find out who had food and water and where the shelters were and make plans with their one tank of gas.. Thinking that land lines are "obsolete" and owned by "old people" is the perspective of a kid with limited real world experience.
2013-07-28 09:58:18 AM
2 votes:
The nice thing about old fashion landlines (not internet or fios) they always work. If you have a power failure and a standard old phone, you have service and it is great service. No issues with trying to charge your cell phone in your car, no worries about dropped calls

I live in a small rural town and cell service sucks. I have to step out of the house and take a walk to get decent cell reception. My landline just pick up the phone and no worries.
2013-07-28 04:52:14 PM
1 votes:
The article makes some erroneous statements, but the biggest is that the various Telcos  OWN the copper network,  THEY DO NOT OWN THE COPPER NETWORK.

After the Bell patents expired in the 1890s, numerous telecos sprung up in the US, all using unique standards, and most networks were not interconnected.  By the 1920s the US had the highest density of installed phones, but there were large large numbers of people who couldn't get phone service at a reasonable cost, or any cost.   Live out in the sticks?  Too bad, it costs too much money to run a line out to where you are.  Black neighborhood?  Nope.  Immigrants?  We don't think so.  Or no reason at all.  Why can't we get phone service?  Fark you, that's why.

The above is an example of a "free market" in action.  The telecos were private companies, and they could provide service, or not, to any one for any reason, or no reason, at any price they wanted to charge.  Then the evil commie FDR showed up on the scene demanding that the telecos provide universal service.  The telecos responded that they couldn't do that and stay solvent.  The Feds agreed to heavily subsidized the construction of the POTS network, and to HEAVILY REGULATE THAT NETWORK in exchange for allowing the telecos to form a monopoly.  The POTS network in the USA is actually owned by the public.

The reason why the Baby Bells want the POTS network dead is because the wireless and fiber networks are essentially unregulated. Starting with Reagan, the Feds agreed that  there would be little or no regulation on new telephone systems such as wireless or fiber.  The reasoning was that it would provide an incentive to the Baby Bells to develop new phone technologies without costing the public any money.  This was basically a lie, since the Feds provided billions in tax incentives to the phone companies to build out the wireless and fiber networks.

As things stand now, if you rely solely on wireless and/or fiber you are totally at the mercy of the telecos.   Your service been out for 2 weeks?  Too farking bad.  We decided to triple your monthly rates.  Don't like it?  Too farking bad.  We decided that we will no longer be providing service to you.  Why?  Fark you, that's why.  Yeah, I know, the market will provide a solution.....maybe.  In the mean time, you can go back to sending smoke signals.

For those of you who are praying for a return to a "pure free market system", you are about to get it......get it good and hard.

If you real Muricans had any brains, you'd demand that the POTS network should not be allowed to be switched off UNTIL THERE ARE NEW REGULATIONS PLACED ON WIRELESS AND FIBER.
2013-07-28 02:31:27 PM
1 votes:
Everyone has missed the whole point here,

THEY do not want you to be able to get out of the Matrix

if you try to escape with a digital signal you die.
2013-07-28 01:09:18 PM
1 votes:
I'll have my landline up until the day they start mining the copper from the poles.

In a rural mountain area with shiatty cell reception and prone to power outages, the landline always works, even without electricity.  Emergency response is always guaranteed to know your physical location, without relying on signal strength and GPS.
2013-07-28 11:47:49 AM
1 votes:
Say 'city-centric' folk. Do ya'll have any idea what cell-signal strength is like out here in Sweetwater County Wyoming? North of Winnemucca, NV? West of Plentywood, Montana? One cell tower south of Lake City Colorado, which is surrounded by 14,000 foot peaks?

Landlines are not going anywhere.
2013-07-28 11:29:10 AM
1 votes:
I do have a smart phone, but i also have a landline. Not only that, my phones are old rotary phones. I like the sound quality and their heft. Cell phone truly suck as phones. And trying to have a conversation on Skype or FaceTime is a joke.
2013-07-28 10:17:10 AM
1 votes:
I don't think it has all that much to do with age.  My wife and I are considerably younger than the folks in the article but also still have a landline.  I don't know that we will ever get rid of it since it offers some things that the cell phone does not.  It works in a power outage.  As someone above mentioned you can use it to find your cell phone.  Something we use it for probably once a week since our kids tend to play a game of "hide the cell phone."  It is also much nicer to talk on during long conversations.  The sound quality of cell phones still is not as good and the size of the handset is too small.  Ever try to hold a cell phone to your ear with a shoulder while you do something else? It is also often less expensive on a per minute basis.  My wife makes really long long-distance calls to her mom and other family members (2 hrs in some cases).  I can only imagine what a few of those per week would cost us on her pay as you go cell plan.  With our landline long-distance plan she can make as many of those as she wants for $20/month.
2013-07-28 10:16:39 AM
1 votes:
Some people need landlines for home security systems
2013-07-28 10:10:59 AM
1 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: Submitter- It's not always a matter of not being computer savvy that makes people keep their landlines. A close family friend of mine lives in an area just before you get to Florence, Oregon where there is little to no cell phone reception. If you're lucky your phone has one bar in that area, but most times there are no bars. She does have a cell phone too, as do many of her neighbors, but they are pretty much useless at their homes, inside or outside.


The Submitter was quoting from someone interviewed for the article, and the article also covered your point:

Ken McMahon, vice president and general manager of CenturyLink in Phoenix, the state's largest phone-service provider, said in an e-mail that more than a million residential and business customers in Arizona have the company's landline phone service "due to its affordability, voice quality, functionality and reliable 911-location identification."

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2013-07-28 10:08:04 AM
1 votes:
I have a landline because it is only $20 and I'm pretty much always at home anyway. It won't run out of minutes. It won't get stolen (unless someone breaks in and steals my ten dollar Dollars Store phone... lol). I won't lose it. It doesn't drop calls. I don't get surprise bills. Etc...

I will need a cel again soon in case of emergencies while I'm out but it'll be a cheapo pay as you go with no web or other overpriced, unnecessary crap. Basically just something to call 911 if I ever find myself in a pool of blood somewhere and need medical attention. I'm really not that important and chances are neither are you.
2013-07-28 09:58:28 AM
1 votes:
I'm lucky to get one bar at my house so I need a landline.

Hell, I'm sitting outside and only have one bar showing. Talking on my cell at home is like typing without half of the keys.
2013-07-28 09:15:48 AM
1 votes:
As someone on the other end of the argument, I can tell you phone companies don't give a flying fark about landlines. The money is in HSI and big pipes.
2013-07-28 03:05:35 AM
1 votes:
Submitter- It's not always a matter of not being computer savvy that makes people keep their landlines. A close family friend of mine lives in an area just before you get to Florence, Oregon where there is little to no cell phone reception. If you're lucky your phone has one bar in that area, but most times there are no bars. She does have a cell phone too, as do many of her neighbors, but they are pretty much useless at their homes, inside or outside.
 
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