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(AZCentral)   As long as there are old people, the phone landline will never go obsolete. "We are not really computer savvy"   (azcentral.com) divider line 165
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2013-07-28 04:48:49 PM  

Sim Tree: "Would you like to 1) Purchase a new Rogers Cell or service, 2) Report a problem?"

"Report a Problem"

"I think I heard you say Purchase a new Rogers cell or service.  I can help you with that..."

A-Holes.

Secret for voice response systems: press 00 to be connected to a person. They never get rid of the old "press 1 for..., press 0 for an associate" system; they merely mapped voice recognition on top of it (so the word 'english' becomes 1, for example). So the old number tones usually still work, even if the prerecorded message doesn't mention them.

/use this knowledge only for good


Or just say nothing. On most systems thirty seconds silence, and a couple of "I can't hear you" promptys, will transfer you to an operator.
 
2013-07-28 04:52:14 PM  
The article makes some erroneous statements, but the biggest is that the various Telcos  OWN the copper network,  THEY DO NOT OWN THE COPPER NETWORK.

After the Bell patents expired in the 1890s, numerous telecos sprung up in the US, all using unique standards, and most networks were not interconnected.  By the 1920s the US had the highest density of installed phones, but there were large large numbers of people who couldn't get phone service at a reasonable cost, or any cost.   Live out in the sticks?  Too bad, it costs too much money to run a line out to where you are.  Black neighborhood?  Nope.  Immigrants?  We don't think so.  Or no reason at all.  Why can't we get phone service?  Fark you, that's why.

The above is an example of a "free market" in action.  The telecos were private companies, and they could provide service, or not, to any one for any reason, or no reason, at any price they wanted to charge.  Then the evil commie FDR showed up on the scene demanding that the telecos provide universal service.  The telecos responded that they couldn't do that and stay solvent.  The Feds agreed to heavily subsidized the construction of the POTS network, and to HEAVILY REGULATE THAT NETWORK in exchange for allowing the telecos to form a monopoly.  The POTS network in the USA is actually owned by the public.

The reason why the Baby Bells want the POTS network dead is because the wireless and fiber networks are essentially unregulated. Starting with Reagan, the Feds agreed that  there would be little or no regulation on new telephone systems such as wireless or fiber.  The reasoning was that it would provide an incentive to the Baby Bells to develop new phone technologies without costing the public any money.  This was basically a lie, since the Feds provided billions in tax incentives to the phone companies to build out the wireless and fiber networks.

As things stand now, if you rely solely on wireless and/or fiber you are totally at the mercy of the telecos.   Your service been out for 2 weeks?  Too farking bad.  We decided to triple your monthly rates.  Don't like it?  Too farking bad.  We decided that we will no longer be providing service to you.  Why?  Fark you, that's why.  Yeah, I know, the market will provide a solution.....maybe.  In the mean time, you can go back to sending smoke signals.

For those of you who are praying for a return to a "pure free market system", you are about to get it......get it good and hard.

If you real Muricans had any brains, you'd demand that the POTS network should not be allowed to be switched off UNTIL THERE ARE NEW REGULATIONS PLACED ON WIRELESS AND FIBER.
 
2013-07-28 05:58:42 PM  
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"Move out of the sticks, gentlemen"
 
2013-07-28 06:20:25 PM  

humanshrapnel: [content7.flixster.com image 360x153]

"Move out of the sticks, gentlemen"


How about no. Some of us like to have loud sex without the police showing up at our door every night for "noise complaints."
 
2013-07-28 06:30:19 PM  

Waldo Pepper: The nice thing about old fashion landlines (not internet or fios) they always work. If you have a power failure and a standard old phone, you have service and it is great service. No issues with trying to charge your cell phone in your car, no worries about dropped calls

I live in a small rural town and cell service sucks. I have to step out of the house and take a walk to get decent cell reception. My landline just pick up the phone and no worries.


This should have been Weeners. This is the reason I keep my landline.
 
2013-07-28 06:44:20 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Waldo Pepper: You can survive without a cellphone. Just as you can survive without a landline, a TV, a car, a microwave oven or a hundred other modern devices people managed without for centuries. But if this person you went out for drinks with got stuck in traffic on the way to meet you wouldn't you call them a dick for not calling you to let you know? Or would you rather just sit there with no idea whether they were stuck in traffic or just forgot about you? Or if you ...

Here is what we used to do in the Old days before cell phones. "oh I guess he/she must be stuck in traffic, I guess I'll do something why I wait" Turns on radio, hears traffic report 95 southbound major backup. "yep just what I thought stuck in traffic"

Life ain't perfect and we dont' need to know what is happening to everyone every second of their and our lives.

And before refrigerators we put milk in a bowl full of water with a cloth over it, before microwaves we used the oven, before the internet we had encyclopaedias and Playboy magazines, before cars we had horses, before phones we had telegrams etc etc.

Just because we can manage without something doesn't mean we should, and certainly doesn't prove it was just as good. In your world the traffic reports on the radio manage to report on every single holdup instantly, do they? Plus you have to carry a radio with you.

You know, we managed for centuries without radios....


Not all of those are better just by being newer.

I'll give you the milk and telegram, well actually I'd imagine that milk tasted better than what we have now. so sort of a wash. 

Microwave pizza doesn't compare to oven baked.
Playboy offered great interviews and articles along with the girls and now young men just grow up with the girls.
Horses are still in use on ranches, farms and by cops
encyclopedias can hold open a door, press a leaf, raise the height of a short person or kid on a chair, allowed kids to research a subject without the chance of stumbling across porn.

I never said cell phones aren't useful, the argument was about their importance.  I feel they have done more harm to society than good. Plus the drain on family budgets from a perceived need is harmful.
 
2013-07-28 07:47:23 PM  

Goimir: ItachiNai: cwolf20: That and as long as the internet sometimes goes down in a city rendering internet/phone/tv packages useless in a crisis, yet phone lines remain active.  Then I'd say a landline will continue to be used

There's a point there too.  During 9/11 and Katrina, cell networks were jammed solid with idiots calling one another to spread the news, blocking out real emergency calls for help.  Sometimes there's such a thing as having  toomuch ready access to technology.
Those same networks that were designed to carry voice calls were only marginally upgraded to accommodate data, but I'd wager the bulk of traffic being carried right now is largely Facebook and Instagram noise.

Well someone had to spread the news. All the radio stations maintained their regular format during 9-11, Irene, and Sandy. Clearchannel should have lost their licenses for that.


Radio stations can be terrible at spreading news. An accident blocked all the east-bound lanes on the major highway and only one station even made a mention of a "suprise for those heading home" with no further details.
 
2013-07-28 07:55:09 PM  

Tobin_Lam: Goimir: ItachiNai: cwolf20: That and as long as the internet sometimes goes down in a city rendering internet/phone/tv packages useless in a crisis, yet phone lines remain active.  Then I'd say a landline will continue to be used

There's a point there too.  During 9/11 and Katrina, cell networks were jammed solid with idiots calling one another to spread the news, blocking out real emergency calls for help.  Sometimes there's such a thing as having  toomuch ready access to technology.
Those same networks that were designed to carry voice calls were only marginally upgraded to accommodate data, but I'd wager the bulk of traffic being carried right now is largely Facebook and Instagram noise.

Well someone had to spread the news. All the radio stations maintained their regular format during 9-11, Irene, and Sandy. Clearchannel should have lost their licenses for that.

Radio stations can be terrible at spreading news. An accident blocked all the east-bound lanes on the major highway and only one station even made a mention of a "suprise for those heading home" with no further details.


they used to be a lot better, back in the day with their traffic news planes/helicopters. 

Walt Starling was incredible back in the day in the DC metro area
 
2013-07-28 11:04:11 PM  
Today, I finally linked my Google Voice number to my Net10 prepaid feature phone.  I still don't know everything that enables me to do, but it was sweetly easy to call Costa Rica for just 6 cents/minute.  Sound quality was better than whatever cell carrier that phone normally uses, too.
 
2013-07-28 11:18:15 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Today, I finally linked my Google Voice number to my Net10 prepaid feature phone.  I still don't know everything that enables me to do, but it was sweetly easy to call Costa Rica for just 6 cents/minute.  Sound quality was better than whatever cell carrier that phone normally uses, too.


Coolest thing about it is that you can set up a number that's local to your family, and have all incoming calls to that number forwarded wherever you like.  You can even set up multiple alternate voice greetings that you can enable with a click instead of having to record over just the one you get with the cell account.
Incoming voicemails are transcribed (though it's often pretty hilariously bad if the other side is mumbling or slurring their speech badly enough) and you can have those transcriptions forwarded to the email account of your choice, complete with audio attachment of the original message.

Lots of awesome sauce with that thing.
 
2013-07-28 11:26:13 PM  

ItachiNai: BarkingUnicorn: Today, I finally linked my Google Voice number to my Net10 prepaid feature phone.  I still don't know everything that enables me to do, but it was sweetly easy to call Costa Rica for just 6 cents/minute.  Sound quality was better than whatever cell carrier that phone normally uses, too.

Coolest thing about it is that you can set up a number that's local to your family, and have all incoming calls to that number forwarded wherever you like.  You can even set up multiple alternate voice greetings that you can enable with a click instead of having to record over just the one you get with the cell account.
Incoming voicemails are transcribed (though it's often pretty hilariously bad if the other side is mumbling or slurring their speech badly enough) and you can have those transcriptions forwarded to the email account of your choice, complete with audio attachment of the original message.

Lots of awesome sauce with that thing.


I've used GV for years on my computer.  Love texting  through a full-sized keyboard. Outbound calls via laptop are great. Voicemail emails are great. Spam filter is great.  Blocking unwanted callers is great.   The whole Web UI is great.  Now I just have to figure out the ramifications of linking GV number to phone.  When I do, I'll write a few words about it and make money.
 
2013-07-29 07:58:33 AM  

TWX: When the Boston bombings happened, we were able to reach family in the area on their landlines but weren't able to reach family on cell phones. When at a local comics convention at the convention center, cell phones were utterly useless to communicate with those in our group if we split up, even text messages weren't getting through. If we go back I'm tempted to get my wife to get a ham radio license so we can bypass "the network" and go just radio to radio.


There is always CB or Family Band (those cheap 14-22 channel walkie talkies that can be bought everywhere). Almost nobody uses them anymore so the frequencies aren't typically crowded (at least where I live). They can have a decent range and no license required. Best part is, if you have a HAM radio on the 70 cm band, you can program the family band frequencies in and use that.
 
2013-07-29 08:19:08 AM  

humanshrapnel: [content7.flixster.com image 360x153]

"Move out of the sticks, gentlemen"


and give up my view of the lake. Ain't happening
 
2013-07-29 08:26:25 AM  
who the fark uses computers anymore.

www.oldcomputers.arcula.co.uk
 
TWX
2013-07-29 11:04:42 AM  

captjc: TWX: When the Boston bombings happened, we were able to reach family in the area on their landlines but weren't able to reach family on cell phones. When at a local comics convention at the convention center, cell phones were utterly useless to communicate with those in our group if we split up, even text messages weren't getting through. If we go back I'm tempted to get my wife to get a ham radio license so we can bypass "the network" and go just radio to radio.

There is always CB or Family Band (those cheap 14-22 channel walkie talkies that can be bought everywhere). Almost nobody uses them anymore so the frequencies aren't typically crowded (at least where I live). They can have a decent range and no license required. Best part is, if you have a HAM radio on the 70 cm band, you can program the family band frequencies in and use that.


I had forgotten that that FRS was down there near 70cm. I may have to look into that... I need a 440MHz radio anyway...
 
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