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2013-07-28 03:05:35 AM
Submitter- It's not always a matter of not being computer savvy that makes people keep their landlines. A close family friend of mine lives in an area just before you get to Florence, Oregon where there is little to no cell phone reception. If you're lucky your phone has one bar in that area, but most times there are no bars. She does have a cell phone too, as do many of her neighbors, but they are pretty much useless at their homes, inside or outside.
 
2013-07-28 08:04:49 AM
If I give up my landline, how will I be able to call my cell when I can't remember where I set it down in the house?
 
2013-07-28 08:33:45 AM
My Mom is one of those people at will never get rid of the landline. In fact she has recently gone into technological remission. Se HAD a smartphone but recently went back to this old Nokia phone form like 2002. Her justification being that she was more comfortable with the old phone.

I had a landline in a cable tv bundle package. It was a waste of 10 bucks a month.
 
2013-07-28 08:48:52 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Submitter- It's not always a matter of not being computer savvy that makes people keep their landlines. A close family friend of mine lives in an area just before you get to Florence, Oregon where there is little to no cell phone reception. If you're lucky your phone has one bar in that area, but most times there are no bars. She does have a cell phone too, as do many of her neighbors, but they are pretty much useless at their homes, inside or outside.


My family was in the same boat.  Go a house down the road, and they have signal.  But right in the epicenter of their property in the middle of mid-Michigan, it's just a dead spot. Like their house was built out of depleted uranium or something.  They finally bought a network extender from Verizon, and so now they have signal and are ditching the landline next month.  All they get on there for phone calls are political groups and sales calls (even though they are on the no-call list).  Add to it that my father just recently and unexpectedly died at 57 years old, and so now we have all sorts of scammers trying to take advantage of my mother.

Luckily, my mom is made out of some sterner stuff, and doesn't fall for that crap.  Still, she's annoyed enough to drop the landline and stick to her smart phone.
 
2013-07-28 09:06:38 AM
I have a cell phone, gave up the landline years ago, but I only did that because of cost. I rarely, if ever use the phone. With a pay as you go plan I spend about $5-10 a month vs $30-40 plus long distance of a landline. However I would much rather have a land line phone, the sound quality of cell phone is absolutely horrendous. It's fine if you're only talking for a minute or two, but longer than that and it really stands out just how piss poor cell phones networks are.

Not only is the sound quality bad, but I would give my left nut for a traditional sized phone. Holding that little credit card sized POS for any length of time is a pain in the ass too.
 
2013-07-28 09:15:48 AM
As someone on the other end of the argument, I can tell you phone companies don't give a flying fark about landlines. The money is in HSI and big pipes.
 
2013-07-28 09:54:04 AM
If you want to have some real fun, replace the land line with an Ooma... the look on my mom's face as I tried to explain how VOIP works...Classic
 
2013-07-28 09:56:23 AM
Sometimes I don't think I need a cellphone. Between Facebook, texting, and email I hardly talk on the phone. I could probably just use wi-fi for Skype calls when needed. There hasn't been one month where I've come close to using half of my 500 minutes of talk time.
 
2013-07-28 09:56:35 AM
It's actually cheaper for land line + DSL here than DSL alone, which is cheaper than cable internet. I just had to get the "charge you for every call" line with no long distance. I also intend to move out in the boonies, where there may not be cell service.
 
2013-07-28 09:58:18 AM
The nice thing about old fashion landlines (not internet or fios) they always work. If you have a power failure and a standard old phone, you have service and it is great service. No issues with trying to charge your cell phone in your car, no worries about dropped calls

I live in a small rural town and cell service sucks. I have to step out of the house and take a walk to get decent cell reception. My landline just pick up the phone and no worries.
 
2013-07-28 09:58:28 AM
I'm lucky to get one bar at my house so I need a landline.

Hell, I'm sitting outside and only have one bar showing. Talking on my cell at home is like typing without half of the keys.
 
2013-07-28 09:59:32 AM
At least they said "are not really computer savvy", rather than " we're computer  illiterate".
 
2013-07-28 10:00:46 AM
Ehhhh, crochety crochety.Man On A Mission has it really close to right above --  too much Creative Filing of wee electronic devices anyhoo.  Quote from mbr of our local amateur radio club, used very often at ft of his e-msgs:  Who cares what smartphone messed up this e-mail?
 
2013-07-28 10:03:43 AM

Waldo Pepper: The nice thing about old fashion landlines (not internet or fios) they always work. If you have a power failure and a standard old phone, you have service and it is great service. No issues with trying to charge your cell phone in your car, no worries about dropped calls

I live in a small rural town and cell service sucks. I have to step out of the house and take a walk to get decent cell reception. My landline just pick up the phone and no worries.


KidneyStone: I'm lucky to get one bar at my house so I need a landline.

Hell, I'm sitting outside and only have one bar showing. Talking on my cell at home is like typing without half of the keys.


Verizon carries a network extender.   I'd imagine most carriers do.  Makes a world of difference.
 
2013-07-28 10:08:04 AM
I have a landline because it is only $20 and I'm pretty much always at home anyway. It won't run out of minutes. It won't get stolen (unless someone breaks in and steals my ten dollar Dollars Store phone... lol). I won't lose it. It doesn't drop calls. I don't get surprise bills. Etc...

I will need a cel again soon in case of emergencies while I'm out but it'll be a cheapo pay as you go with no web or other overpriced, unnecessary crap. Basically just something to call 911 if I ever find myself in a pool of blood somewhere and need medical attention. I'm really not that important and chances are neither are you.
 
2013-07-28 10:10:45 AM

here to help: I have a landline because it is only $20 and I'm pretty much always at home anyway. It won't run out of minutes. It won't get stolen (unless someone breaks in and steals my ten dollar Dollars Store phone... lol). I won't lose it. It doesn't drop calls. I don't get surprise bills. Etc...

I will need a cel again soon in case of emergencies while I'm out but it'll be a cheapo pay as you go with no web or other overpriced, unnecessary crap. Basically just something to call 911 if I ever find myself in a pool of blood somewhere and need medical attention. I'm really not that important and chances are neither are you.


My Mom thinks I'm important and so does my Kid. but it is sad to see you equate overpriced cell phones and service with importance.
 
2013-07-28 10:10:59 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Submitter- It's not always a matter of not being computer savvy that makes people keep their landlines. A close family friend of mine lives in an area just before you get to Florence, Oregon where there is little to no cell phone reception. If you're lucky your phone has one bar in that area, but most times there are no bars. She does have a cell phone too, as do many of her neighbors, but they are pretty much useless at their homes, inside or outside.


The Submitter was quoting from someone interviewed for the article, and the article also covered your point:

Ken McMahon, vice president and general manager of CenturyLink in Phoenix, the state's largest phone-service provider, said in an e-mail that more than a million residential and business customers in Arizona have the company's landline phone service "due to its affordability, voice quality, functionality and reliable 911-location identification."

cykod.com
 
2013-07-28 10:11:11 AM
Try using your cell phone for an 8 hour conference call.
 
kab
2013-07-28 10:13:15 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Try using your cell phone for an 8 hour conference call.


Lots of this.
 
SH
2013-07-28 10:13:22 AM

Man On A Mission: If I give up my landline, how will I be able to call my cell when I can't remember where I set it down in the house?


http://www.wheresmycellphone.com/

Better yet, Seekdroid if you have an android.
 
2013-07-28 10:16:39 AM
Some people need landlines for home security systems
 
2013-07-28 10:17:10 AM
I don't think it has all that much to do with age.  My wife and I are considerably younger than the folks in the article but also still have a landline.  I don't know that we will ever get rid of it since it offers some things that the cell phone does not.  It works in a power outage.  As someone above mentioned you can use it to find your cell phone.  Something we use it for probably once a week since our kids tend to play a game of "hide the cell phone."  It is also much nicer to talk on during long conversations.  The sound quality of cell phones still is not as good and the size of the handset is too small.  Ever try to hold a cell phone to your ear with a shoulder while you do something else? It is also often less expensive on a per minute basis.  My wife makes really long long-distance calls to her mom and other family members (2 hrs in some cases).  I can only imagine what a few of those per week would cost us on her pay as you go cell plan.  With our landline long-distance plan she can make as many of those as she wants for $20/month.
 
2013-07-28 10:24:13 AM
I get zero cell service at my house. No cable either, so my only connectivity is through the land line and DSL.  I get my TV through dish. Not all of the US has cell coverage you know. last time our power was out was for 3 days, I'd sure love to be worrying about charging my cell phone and keeping my "network extender" powered up so I can talk to people.  My sister lives in a very populated area in NJ, and was without power or cell service during the last storms for 6 days. Her land line worked fine though, and allowed her to find out who had food and water and where the shelters were and make plans with their one tank of gas.. Thinking that land lines are "obsolete" and owned by "old people" is the perspective of a kid with limited real world experience.
 
2013-07-28 10:26:01 AM
We keep a landline mostly for the kids to use: they're too young for cell phones and old enough to have a social lives.

It's also for having a local area code, because my cell number is from a different state.
 
2013-07-28 10:26:37 AM
I'm actually getting myself a landline for the first time in almost 10 years. The reason? Call clarity. Sure, my cell is fine for when I'm just talking with my folks or having short conversations with friends, but when I'm on the horn with someone I'm placing an order with, or someone I'm calling out for repairs to the house or whatnot, I want to be able to hear them loud and clear without any chance of bad reception.

I went on vacation for a week where there is ZERO cell reception regardless of carrier. I've found that since I got back, I started blocking notifications and de-synced my phone from my online accounts. I'm tired of being tethered the damned thing and giving a Pavlovian response every time it dings or flashes a LED at me. I think that once I get the landline up, I'm simply going to shelve the cell when I get home just like the old days.
 
2013-07-28 10:29:48 AM

SH: Man On A Mission: If I give up my landline, how will I be able to call my cell when I can't remember where I set it down in the house?

http://www.wheresmycellphone.com/

Better yet, Seekdroid if you have an android.


Lookout also has a GPS "where's my phone" feature and several others. Dunno if it makes the phone ring, but I've been using WheresMyCellphone so I haven't looked. It does send you an email if your phone drops below a certain battery %, giving you its coords as well.

Probably my fave (and free) feature, just cos I think it's funny, is that if someone tries to access your phone and incorrectly enters the password, if your phone has a fwd-facing camera it will take their picture and email it and the coords to you.
 
2013-07-28 10:30:08 AM

kab: Marcus Aurelius: Try using your cell phone for an 8 hour conference call.

Lots of this.


Not seeing a problem here. (Although if I'm going to be sitting here for eight hours, I'll probably plug it in.)

www.iphonejd.com
 
2013-07-28 10:30:36 AM

Torgo_of_Manos: If you want to have some real fun, replace the land line with an Ooma... the look on my mom's face as I tried to explain how VOIP works...Classic


It took a while but first we did Vonage, then moved on to Callcentric and Google Voice ring back which was only OK. But after moving to the Obihai which lets you pick you pick up and dial calls over a regular handset like Vonage does it was finally OK to cancel the landline. Thank God. That was $60 down the drain every month for a phone that was only plugged into an alarm.
 
2013-07-28 10:35:12 AM
Landline phone connections beat the crap out of ANY cell phone I've used.  The cell phones make it all but impossible to talk like you have a true duplex connection; those little vocalizations, like "mmm-hmm, yep,  uh-huh", that you make, as a way to signal comprehension and move a conversation along, don't work well over cel phones because of a palpable delay; the entire conversation grinds to a halt every time you try to interject one word over the other person.. I find the only way to get a clear speech out on my cell is to talk like it's a farking CB radio, taking turns, and this is nothing like a normal human conversation where you talk over each other at certain points.  I find it incredibly unnerving and wearying.
 
2013-07-28 10:37:14 AM
Lesson learned from all the hurricanes is always have a land line. They are buried here and the only thing that has continued working through all of the hurricanes.
We had to evacuate and would call the answering machine to see if the house was still there.
 
2013-07-28 10:39:37 AM
"A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report published last year estimated that in Arizona, between January and December of 2011, 38 percent of adults older than 18 already lived in wireless-only households."

Owning a Landline is now considered a disease?  WTF?

Plus, if you lived in Canada you would be an idiot to get rid of your landline.  Our cell rates are ridiculous here due to the Govt. approved Oligopoly we have here.  You have basically 2-3 carriers to choose from and they have goosed the rates to where a basic cell costs $40+ a month as opposed to $20 for a landline.

And if you happen to subscribe to Rogers and want to get something fixed, good luck with their "customer service" robo-system.

"Would you like to 1) Purchase a new Rogers Cell or service, 2) Report a problem?"

"Report a Problem"

"I think I heard you say Purchase a new Rogers cell or service.  I can help you with that..."

A-Holes.
 
2013-07-28 10:45:28 AM
ProTip: You need to have a land line if you are ever on house arrest.
 
2013-07-28 10:46:13 AM

Waldo Pepper: but it is sad to see you equate overpriced cell phones and service with importance.


My point was it is unlikely you are important enough to anyone in society that it is absolutely imperative you can be reached at all times. The vast majority of calls made on celphones is inane jibber jabber that could wait until you get home or to your office. It's a waste of time, money and brainpower.

But you knew that's what I meant, didn't you?
 
2013-07-28 10:49:07 AM
My employer won't be letting go of landlines - probably never ever.
 
2013-07-28 10:51:45 AM
Here in Baltimore City, there is only One provider, Comcast. I'd prefer not to deal with them. I have Dish Network and have been with them for over 10yrs and swear by them. Verizon has already stated publicly that they have No Plans to run FIOS into the City. So I'm stuck with my landline & DSL which on a Good day might get 1.3MB. My cell phone works fine everywhere But at home where I'm lucky to get 1 bar so I know Wireless 4G is no good for my PC & Laptop. I could get Comcast internet only Basic at 6MB and drop the landline but my phone service would suck. Comcast has Double Play but they're TV & Internet and they don't seem to offer a package with Internet & Phone only. I'll probably upgrade to cable Internet sooner or later with the basic 6MB service but I just can't see dropping the landline.
 
2013-07-28 10:53:58 AM
Funny thing about old people, they tend to do this thing called... oh, what was it called?

Oh yeah, DYING.

When the boomers are dead, so is the landline.  Book it.
 
2013-07-28 10:57:13 AM
I live in the heart of San Francisco and I will have a landline until I die. 1989 taught me some powerful lessons, among them:

* Liquor stores are closed during disasters
* ATMs don't work without electricity
* Neither do refrigerators
* Nor do cordless phones, cell phones, VOIP, etc.
* No matter how uncomfortable you might be, people within a few miles have it much, much worse

I had phone service throughout the night of October 17, and was able to get a long-distance call out before 9pm, while the office and its PBX didn't have power for two days.

My earthquake kit contains (among other things) candles, a few hundred bucks in small bills, lifeboat rations (food and water), first aid supplies. broken-in shoes with clean socks and a Western Electric Princess phone.
 
2013-07-28 10:58:22 AM
"We have a tendency to hold on to certain technologies, like the landline, but eventually we have to let go," Santanam said.
No fooling. It took moving for me to give up a landline. Yes, landlines have their advantages, just not $25+/mo worth for me.


Also, I live in NJ. We never completely lost cell service in this vicinity  during Hurricane Sandy, even while the power was out for days. Sometimes I had to step outside the building at work to get a signal, but I had voice and data and a tethered internet connection.
 
2013-07-28 10:59:29 AM

Man On A Mission: If I give up my landline, how will I be able to call my cell when I can't remember where I set it down in the house?


WiFi.
 
2013-07-28 11:01:15 AM
Having a landline is not going to be a choice.  I worked for the telephone company for more than 30 years and I can tell you that the phone company can and WILL stop providing that service
 
2013-07-28 11:02:35 AM

Man On A Mission: If I give up my landline, how will I be able to call my cell when I can't remember where I set it down in the house?


wheresmyphone.com
 
2013-07-28 11:04:10 AM
I like having my landline. I rarely use it but I prefer doctor's offices and the like to have my home number rather than my cell number. It's kind of nice to be unreachable sometimes.
 
2013-07-28 11:04:16 AM

Crewmannumber6: Some people need landlines for home security systems


To slow a response time. For johnnie on the spot home security a 1911-A is a better choice.
 
2013-07-28 11:04:41 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Try using your cell phone for an 8 hour conference call.


Screw a landline...
Get yourself a Google Voice number, or if it's a toll-free number for conferences (like almost all of mine are), get Skype and a headset so you have more control over the volume settings.
Dial in, announce yourself, hit the mute button, kick back with coffee/beer and all is right with the world.

Also, you can record portions that are important to remember.

Also also, you can attend a shared screen session more easily since you're already on the computer.
 
DVD
2013-07-28 11:06:08 AM
You just saw everything above your post and it just flew by without any comprehension as to why your statement doesn't work?

Rhino_man:

Funny thing about old people, they tend to do this thing called... oh, what was it called?

Oh yeah, DYING.

When the boomers are dead, so is the landline.  Book it.
 
2013-07-28 11:10:59 AM

DVD: You just saw everything above your post and it just flew by without any comprehension as to why your statement doesn't work?

Rhino_man:
Funny thing about old people, they tend to do this thing called... oh, what was it called?

Oh yeah, DYING.

When the boomers are dead, so is the landline.  Book it.


Allow me to elaborate.  Currently, phone utility companies are required to offer landline service to everywhere you can have mail delivered.  The phone companies hate this fact, because there are MASSIVE areas of this nation where it is quite unprofitable to continue this practice.

When the old people die off - and believe me, they will - the political will to save the landline will die with them.  The phone companies will then have their lobbyists write a repeal of that law.  As soon as they're allowed to, they'll cut the option to continue service for everyone farther than 20 miles from a city.  Strange how the Venn diagram of "people who will lose landline service" and "people who live in places that cell phones don't work" looks like one farking circle.

So no, I didn't let the whole thread fly by without any comprehension.  I just didn't bother explaining every step in the process.
 
2013-07-28 11:12:07 AM

Rhino_man: Funny thing about old people, they tend to do this thing called... oh, what was it called?

Oh yeah, DYING.

When the boomers are dead, so is the landline.  Book it.


Yeah, and the telcos are just waiting for the chance to do it, too.  They're obligated by agreement with the government to make phone service available to everybody, regardless of their ability to pay. (Available meaning a line is hooked up, not necessarily turned on).

The whole VoIP/DSL movement?  Not so much.  They've been found to be actively refusing to make digital services accessible in areas they deem to be statistically unprofitable, like low income housing projects, because their agreement only applies to the original analog phone technology.
 
2013-07-28 11:12:45 AM
Damn... Ninja'd.  Good one Rhino_man.  I bow to thee.  :D
 
2013-07-28 11:15:18 AM

Shadowknight: Bathia_Mapes: Submitter- It's not always a matter of not being computer savvy that makes people keep their landlines. A close family friend of mine lives in an area just before you get to Florence, Oregon where there is little to no cell phone reception. If you're lucky your phone has one bar in that area, but most times there are no bars. She does have a cell phone too, as do many of her neighbors, but they are pretty much useless at their homes, inside or outside.

My family was in the same boat.  Go a house down the road, and they have signal.  But right in the epicenter of their property in the middle of mid-Michigan, it's just a dead spot. Like their house was built out of depleted uranium or something.  They finally bought a network extender from Verizon, and so now they have signal and are ditching the landline next month.  All they get on there for phone calls are political groups and sales calls (even though they are on the no-call list).  Add to it that my father just recently and unexpectedly died at 57 years old, and so now we have all sorts of scammers trying to take advantage of my mother.

Luckily, my mom is made out of some sterner stuff, and doesn't fall for that crap.  Still, she's annoyed enough to drop the landline and stick to her smart phone.


I grew up in that same dead-spot, At home there was no service, but less than a mile in any direction and I'd have four bars.
 
2013-07-28 11:15:49 AM

ItachiNai: Damn... Ninja'd.  Good one Rhino_man.  I bow to thee.  :D


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