Slartibartfaster: PainfulItching: If the Gestapo was involved, and he was speaking out against one of Germany's allies, I have very strong suspicions he was either forced to stop what he was doing or risk "re-education" in some camp in Poland.1938prior to the illegal invasion of poland.. and WAY prior to the japs invading singaporeWW2 started before Dec 7 1941 the date that will on in infamy... to some//3 years before America started helping/ thanks for your help we needed you// and you were not there
instantwin: EdNortonsTwin: Nanking and orher atrocities, events like Pearl Harbor and such are glazed over in Japanese schools.In Germany on the other hand, that part of history is teached in a way as to embarass and instill guilt into kids born decades after the fact. Seems the flow of German tax money to the eternal victims will go on for quite a while.So it seems like the Japanese are better off, doesn't it?
indarwinsshadow: It's 11 years since 9/11. I doubt most of you have gotten past the point where you'd like to see most of Al-Qaeda dead or forgiven the perpetrators and their host countries,
Ender's: Wait... there were Nazi cards?
instantwin: Infernalist: instantwin: EdNortonsTwin: Nanking and orher atrocities, events like Pearl Harbor and such are glazed over in Japanese schools.In Germany on the other hand, that part of history is teached in a way as to embarass and instill guilt into kids born decades after the fact. Seems the flow of German tax money to the eternal victims will go on for quite a while.So it seems like the Japanese are better off, doesn't it?Let's see...The Japanese are almost universally hated by all their neighbors and are only treated with the barest of non-hostility due to their extremely close connection to the U.S...Meanwhile, the Germans are all but leading the EU and are looked upon as a nation to admire and treated with a great deal of respect, even by those nations that they once conquered and nearly destroyed less than a century ago.You tell me.In circles of economic leaders and well educated people you're probably right. But the economic troubles of the recent years have shown that the press, politicians and general populations of the EU countries continue to see the Germans as the root of all evil. There's no apparent problem as long as Germany continues to finance the Euro. But the behaviour of Greek politicians shows what will happen once that money stops flowing. Because of the indoctrination I mentioned above, German politicians never defend or argue back. For them, Political Correctness means to suck it up.So yes, I think the Japanese way to ignore the past has advantages, at least for how they feel about themselves.
Satan's Chocolate Starfish: Inquisitive Inquisitor: Satan's Chocolate Starfish: . . . and then he went home to Germany and cavorted merrily as his idol the Fuhrer slaughtered millions of innocents."THE ENDActually he went home to Germany with evidence of the massacre in order to exert political pressure on the Japanese and prevent future atrocities. That landed him in the loving hands of the Gestapo.Oh, I thought he just went home and was questioned by the Gestapo, then released after intervention by influential Nazi officials working for Siemens AG, whereupon he continued to maintain his Nazi party membership and worked during WWII at Siemens, a strong supporter of Hitler and part of the concentration camp labor industry.
ronaprhys: Read "The Rape of Nanking". From what I can tell, it's an even-handed accounting of the atrocities.
Arkanaut: Oh, and let's not forget the Bataan Death March -- maybe the Japanese think they just took the American POW's out for an afternoon stroll?
miss diminutive: In university I met a Japanese exchange student who claimed that the massacre had never taken place, or in his words "the number of dead and events were greatly exaggerated for propaganda purposes" or something to that effect.
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