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(Knowlege Nuts)   This man was a card carrying Nazi. He was a hero, saving as many as 250,000 Chinese during the Japanese invasion of Nanking. Not a story you'd expect   (knowledgenuts.com) divider line 193
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2013-07-28 01:47:07 AM  
Lucky none of them were Jewish.
 
2013-07-28 02:54:38 AM  
was it Rabe?

ya...we all know about him.
 
2013-07-28 09:31:51 AM  
There's still a billion of them.
 
2013-07-28 09:34:24 AM  
Readers Digest had a good article about him several years ago. He came across as a pretty decent person.
 
2013-07-28 09:36:29 AM  
A kinder, more gentle national socialist
 
2013-07-28 09:39:20 AM  
He initially only saved 100,000 - but an hour later he was feeling heroic again and saved 150,000 more
 
2013-07-28 09:42:22 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: There's still a billion of them.


Are there? I think they keep counting the same 20 people over and over.
 
2013-07-28 09:44:23 AM  
He said Rabe twice.
 
2013-07-28 09:47:16 AM  
he probably had a thing for asian bush.
 
2013-07-28 09:47:51 AM  

antrat00: AverageAmericanGuy: There's still a billion of them.

Are there? I think they keep counting the same 20 people over and over.


There's a serious case of "You are not a special snowflake" going on there.
 
2013-07-28 09:51:43 AM  
And people say the bombs didn't need to be dropped on Japan.
 
2013-07-28 09:57:52 AM  

Linux_Yes: he probably had a thing for asian bush.


Doesn't everyone?
 
2013-07-28 09:58:06 AM  
It's 11 years since 9/11. I doubt most of you have gotten past the point where you'd like to see most of Al-Qaeda dead or forgiven the perpetrators and their host countries, or for that matter have got past your deep dislike and mistrust of Muslims. I don't blame you in the slightest, since so many died that day and since, in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. So, I don't get how the Chinese (or Israelis) could get past the fact that 70 years ago, an entire country of people tried really really hard to exterminate both of them in the most heinous and violent ways possible. I'm not sure I'd have it in me to forgive and move on. I'd still have a lot of hatred in me and want revenge.
 
2013-07-28 09:59:04 AM  
In university I met a Japanese exchange student who claimed that the massacre had never taken place, or in his words "the number of dead and events were greatly exaggerated for propaganda purposes" or something to that effect.

I was essentially speechless. I guess every country has a few people who just don't believe in moon landings/Holocausts/gravity.
 
2013-07-28 10:00:46 AM  
. . . and then he went home to Germany and cavorted merrily as his idol the Fuhrer slaughtered millions of innocents."

THE END
 
2013-07-28 10:05:39 AM  
The John Rabe movie is available on Netflix streaming.
 
2013-07-28 10:06:11 AM  
Wait... there were Nazi cards?
 
2013-07-28 10:09:17 AM  
 
2013-07-28 10:11:54 AM  

Ender's: Wait... there were Nazi cards?


Yes.  I have a summon firing breathing demagogue card that does +5 damage to all Semites on the field.
 
2013-07-28 10:11:55 AM  

Satan's Chocolate Starfish: . . . and then he went home to Germany and cavorted merrily as his idol the Fuhrer slaughtered millions of innocents."

THE END


Actually he went home to Germany with evidence of the massacre in order to exert political pressure on the Japanese and prevent future atrocities.  That landed him in the loving hands of the Gestapo.
 
2013-07-28 10:12:54 AM  
Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism, at least it's an ethos?
 
2013-07-28 10:14:58 AM  

miss diminutive: In university I met a Japanese exchange student who claimed that the massacre had never taken place, or in his words "the number of dead and events were greatly exaggerated for propaganda purposes" or something to that effect.


That attitude may be widespread in Japanese culture. At least, you can see a lot of surprisingly obtuse historical revisionism creep into anime and video games from Japan.
 
2013-07-28 10:18:53 AM  

Gergesa: Yes. I have a summon firing breathing demagogue card that does +5 damage to all Semites on the field.


I am SO gonna tap Goebbels on your ass
 
2013-07-28 10:20:13 AM  

Satan's Chocolate Starfish: . . . and then he went home to Germany and cavorted merrily as his idol the Fuhrer slaughtered millions of innocents."

THE END


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2013-07-28 10:29:09 AM  
His tombstone now resides at the site of the massacre.

Originally read that as "trombone."
 
2013-07-28 10:30:53 AM  

Satan's Chocolate Starfish: . . . and then he went home to Germany and cavorted merrily as his idol the Fuhrer slaughtered millions of innocents."

THE END


Gotta unwind somehow.
 
2013-07-28 10:31:05 AM  
I do know this much, in the 30's and 40's, there was some cold blooded shiat going down all over the place, along with some unexpected good people doing extraordinary things at the risk of their own necks. I would not disbelieve a story from that time period.
 
2013-07-28 10:31:47 AM  

flsprtsgod: Doesn't everyone?


No. Hell no.
 
2013-07-28 10:32:34 AM  
I remember one time reading the Wikipedia article on the Rape of Nanking. I don't consider myself easily disturbed, but I had a hard time finishing it.

That and Unit 731, I have a hard time comprehending the Japanese worship westerners seem to have.

Anyway... good on this guy, Nazi or not, for standing up and trying to do something about it.
 
2013-07-28 10:34:35 AM  
Not every Nazi was an evil bastard. Many of the Jews who survived did so because card-carrying members of the Nazi party helped them escape. They were the ones with the best opportunities for forging new identity papers and slipping past the guards and checkpoints.
 
2013-07-28 10:38:49 AM  

Ender's: Wait... there were Nazi cards?


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Hotter than Hamburg
 
2013-07-28 10:39:01 AM  
Guess what? Not all German soldiers were flesh-eating child rapists... unlike what Hollywood wants us to believe.
 
2013-07-28 10:41:49 AM  
All of you western Racists. There was no rape of Nanking. This is just Chinese Propaganda and Western Lies to make the Japanese look bad.

They were invited. Punch was served.
 
2013-07-28 10:41:56 AM  
At this point in history, the Nazis had not yet set up the Death Camps.  My guess is that there were a lot of guys in the Nazi party who were like, "you know the Nazism party teaches so much what I agree with 90 percent of the time.  I just wish Hitler would shut up about the Jews though.  Well, he doesn't like them, it isn't like he is planning on killing them all or something."  By the time the death camps went into business, too many good Germans probably found themselves in a position where they were powerless to object.
 
2013-07-28 10:43:36 AM  
NINO
 
2013-07-28 10:44:01 AM  

squibbits: Guess what? Not all German soldiers were flesh-eating child rapists... unlike what Hollywood wants us to believe.


You don't need to convince me...
Herr squibbits.
 
2013-07-28 10:45:04 AM  

squibbits: Guess what? Not all German soldiers were flesh-eating child rapists... unlike what Hollywood wants us to believe.


static.tvtropes.org
 
2013-07-28 10:46:10 AM  
Nanking and orher atrocities, events like Pearl Harbor and such are glazed over in Japanese schools.
 
2013-07-28 10:48:24 AM  

leevis: Not every Nazi was an evil bastard. Many of the Jews who survived did so because card-carrying members of the Nazi party helped them escape. They were the ones with the best opportunities for forging new identity papers and slipping past the guards and checkpoints.


Don't forget, membership in some form of the nazi (I refuse to capitalize it) regime was required to work or own a business, go to school, get into a hospital, or just about any form of German life. If you were working out of the country for a German country (Siemens, IG Farben, etc) you didn't have to have the pin on your collar, but you had to have the paperwork in your wallet. Because even then, you could be in Chicago, and some guy would walk up to you and ask to see your papers.
 
2013-07-28 10:50:18 AM  

miss diminutive: In university I met a Japanese exchange student who claimed that the massacre had never taken place, or in his words "the number of dead and events were greatly exaggerated for propaganda purposes" or something to that effect.

I was essentially speechless. I guess every country has a few people who just don't believe in moon landings/Holocausts/gravity.


Even aside from the Rape of Nanking, the number of mass killings and other atrocities perpetrated by the Japanese Army in the rest of China and in virtually all their occupied territories (Taiwan, Korea, Indonesia, the Philippines, etc) were on a par with the Holocaust in Nazi Germany.
 
2013-07-28 10:53:56 AM  
Oh, and let's not forget the Bataan Death March -- maybe the Japanese think they just took the American POW's out for an afternoon stroll?
 
2013-07-28 10:59:20 AM  

squibbits: Guess what? Not all German soldiers were flesh-eating child rapists... unlike what Hollywood wants us to believe.


No, only the SS, and usually only in front of their superior officers. They would shoot their own.

Your average German solder was underfed, homesick, tired of walking, scared, cold/hot, just like every other soldier, in every other war, ever. The vast majority were draftees who wanted no part in it, but didn't want to let their buddies next to them down. The ones who were ultranationalists got into the SA, or later the SS, the political branch of the army.

/WWII history geek
 
2013-07-28 11:01:01 AM  

MooseUpNorth: miss diminutive: In university I met a Japanese exchange student who claimed that the massacre had never taken place, or in his words "the number of dead and events were greatly exaggerated for propaganda purposes" or something to that effect.

That attitude may be widespread in Japanese culture. At least, you can see a lot of surprisingly obtuse historical revisionism creep into anime and video games from Japan.


The MIL had something similar happen to her - but it was someone stating that Pearl Harbor didn't happen.

Read "The Rape of Nanking".  From what I can tell, it's an even-handed accounting of the atrocities.
 
2013-07-28 11:06:47 AM  
 
2013-07-28 11:08:09 AM  

Arkanaut: Oh, and let's not forget the Bataan Death March -- maybe the Japanese think they just took the American POW's out for an afternoon stroll?


The Japanese military leadership at the time believed that surrendering was an act of cowardice. They were expected to take their own lives to avoid falling into enemy hands. So the order down the line was to treat any surrendering forces (of any nationality) as sub-human. Starvation rations, inhuman living conditions. little to no medical treatment, forced/slave labor, and mass executions. Very much as the nazis saw the Jews. If you were captured while fighting, you were treated better. Not by much, but better. Unless you were an officer. The Japanese had very effective torture, and I do mean torture, techniques.
 
2013-07-28 11:11:50 AM  

PainfulItching: Arkanaut: Oh, and let's not forget the Bataan Death March -- maybe the Japanese think they just took the American POW's out for an afternoon stroll?

The Japanese military leadership at the time believed that surrendering was an act of cowardice. They were expected to take their own lives to avoid falling into enemy hands. So the order down the line was to treat any surrendering forces (of any nationality) as sub-human. Starvation rations, inhuman living conditions. little to no medical treatment, forced/slave labor, and mass executions. Very much as the nazis saw the Jews. If you were captured while fighting, you were treated better. Not by much, but better. Unless you were an officer. The Japanese had very effective torture, and I do mean torture, techniques.


Unit 731 was a good example of this mentality. They referred to their involuntary human test subjects as logs.
 
2013-07-28 11:14:24 AM  

ronaprhys: Read "The Rape of Nanking".  From what I can tell, it's an even-handed accounting of the atrocities.


I've read that book (and it's excellent and I recommend it), which is what immediately made me click on the link, because I remembered this man, and calling him a "card carrying Nazi," is just a misnomer for someone who was truly an exceptional human being.
 
2013-07-28 11:14:54 AM  

hardinparamedic: squibbits: Guess what? Not all German soldiers were flesh-eating child rapists... unlike what Hollywood wants us to believe.

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Ha, I was just watching that last night.
 
2013-07-28 11:17:09 AM  

Inquisitive Inquisitor: Satan's Chocolate Starfish: . . . and then he went home to Germany and cavorted merrily as his idol the Fuhrer slaughtered millions of innocents."

THE END

Actually he went home to Germany with evidence of the massacre in order to exert political pressure on the Japanese and prevent future atrocities.  That landed him in the loving hands of the Gestapo.


Oh, I thought he just went home and was questioned by the Gestapo, then released after intervention by influential Nazi officials working for Siemens AG, whereupon he continued to maintain his Nazi party membership and worked during WWII at Siemens, a strong supporter of Hitler and part of the concentration camp labor industry.
 
2013-07-28 11:18:45 AM  
Well, I admit, I did nazi that coming.
 
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