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(NYPost)   McDonald's McDouble cheeseburger: The cheapest, most nutritious, most bountiful food EVAR   (nypost.com ) divider line 257
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2013-07-28 01:37:20 AM  
funny thing about the last sentence in that article; the poorest people i know actually eat a lot of kale.
 
2013-07-28 01:46:23 AM  
Was the author raised as a ragging douchebag or did society make him that way?
 
2013-07-28 01:48:30 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Was the author raised as a ragging douchebag or did society make him that way?


A little of column A, a little of column B.
 
2013-07-28 01:55:23 AM  
That's the best article I've seen on fark in ages.
 
2013-07-28 02:08:42 AM  
Things are so simple when you pick and choose which externalities you want to worry about.

And I always love the argument of "raising wages = raising prices" when those two things are assumed to cancel each other out perfectly or that somehow the higher prices will outstrip gains in wages. That's just one step below (and usually quickly followed by) the "durr... why not make the minimum wage $100/hour derp".
 
2013-07-28 02:58:18 AM  
i usually order 3 of them. don't usually finish the third one.
 
2013-07-28 06:16:24 AM  
www.nypost.comIn terms of cost-per-calorie, no locavore, organic veggie can compete with the McDouble
By KYLE SMITH


cdnet.myxer.com
 
2013-07-28 07:19:42 AM  
farker has got a point
 
2013-07-28 08:37:01 AM  
I will not give up my second piece of cheese.
 
2013-07-28 09:06:37 AM  
But it tastes like shiat.
 
2013-07-28 09:15:18 AM  
Hate to admit it, but the article makes some sense.

/Whole Foods fanboy
 
2013-07-28 09:19:52 AM  
I actually measure the cost of healthy food that I buy in McDoubles.  A few tomatos and a head of lettuce?  About 5 McDoubles.  A pound of carrots?  One or two McDoubles.  So heavily subsidized, that all of the processing and transport that goes into a McDouble allows them to offer it for less than locally grown produce.  Awesome.
 
2013-07-28 09:20:34 AM  
That article was trollin'
 
2013-07-28 09:21:49 AM  
That story was actually pretty good.  It made sense.

The money line:  "If the macrobiotic Marxists had their way, of course, there'd be no McDonald's, Walmart or Exxon, because they have visions of an ideal world in which everybody bikes to work with a handwoven backpack from Etsy that contains a lunch grown in the neighborhood collective."


/funny, but true
 
2013-07-28 09:21:54 AM  
Sounds good to me. Empty calories are still calories. You'll feel bad from lack of calories long before lack of vitamins/minerals.
 
2013-07-28 09:24:59 AM  
I grew up somewhere with no McDs so I never had their food as a child, first time I ever went in one was at age 15, I wanted to use the bathroom but I was on LSD and the whole experience was so plastic (even the lighting and air in there seemed plastic) that I left and have never returned.
So, I'm that guy, I've never eaten McD, but not because I'm a smug hipster, more because I'm odd.
 
2013-07-28 09:27:48 AM  
If I eat at McDonald's, I will invariably be shiatting liquids later that day.

I'll pass. Thanks.
 
2013-07-28 09:28:11 AM  
Is this one of those articles where the college kid types in lots of words but doesn't really have a point, or make a whole lot of sense?

Yes.  Yes it is.
 
2013-07-28 09:30:47 AM  
I remember buying an equivalent BK in college (when on sale) for $1 each and thought that was a deal.  This was 25 years ago.  Now if gas was the same price....
 
2013-07-28 09:33:59 AM  

ZzeusS: Is this one of those articles where the college kid types in lots of words but doesn't really have a point, or make a whole lot of sense?

Yes.  Yes it is.


Yeah it was all over the place. We can't even get an article about the McDouble without weird, political insults and tangents? We've successfully politicized and internalized the McDouble? Awesome.
 
2013-07-28 09:34:36 AM  

UsikFark: That article was trollin'


Yup. It will be interesting to come back later and see if this thread has hundreds of replies. If it does, then his work is done.
 
2013-07-28 09:35:20 AM  
When I'm not sure if there's dinner at home and I'm late getting off work, I'll grab a McDouble (no onions) and/or sometimes a McChicken.  They look like about the least destructive things on the dollar menu.
 
2013-07-28 09:37:24 AM  

YoOjo: I grew up somewhere with no McDs so I never had their food as a child, first time I ever went in one was at age 15, I wanted to use the bathroom but I was on LSD and the whole experience was so plastic (even the lighting and air in there seemed plastic) that I left and have never returned.
So, I'm that guy, I've never eaten McD, but not because I'm a smug hipster, more because I'm odd.


I avoided eating at Burger King until I was 19 or so.  Just so I could say I never ate at Burger King.  I guess I was a smug hipster before there were hipsters.
 
2013-07-28 09:37:30 AM  

ZzeusS: Is this one of those articles where the college kid types in lots of words but doesn't really have a point, or make a whole lot of sense?

Yes.  Yes it is.


Ohhhhhh. He is a film critic. That explains it all.
 
2013-07-28 09:38:02 AM  
Fracking is a bad idea. (Yes, that's the part I'm replying to) :D
 
2013-07-28 09:39:34 AM  
The McDonald's restaurants here have a thing called a Daily Double: a McDouble with lettuce and tomato added. Putting a small fries and drink with it comes in just a little over $3  And it is delicious.

Not sure if that is a local thing or it is everywhere...
 
2013-07-28 09:40:20 AM  
I can only hope this politicization of fast food can lead idiotic teabaggers to show their stripes by eating more McDonalds and Chick a Fil....you show us, show us all!
 
2013-07-28 09:42:19 AM  

YoOjo: I grew up somewhere with no McDs so I never had their food as a child, first time I ever went in one was at age 15, I wanted to use the bathroom but I was on LSD and the whole experience was so plastic (even the lighting and air in there seemed plastic) that I left and have never returned.
So, I'm that guy, I've never eaten McD, but not because I'm a smug hipster, more because I'm odd.


Ha, McDonalds might be the worst place to go when you're on acid!

I also got really freaked out walking through a grocery store once. Luckily I got over it and can continue to sustain my existence...
 
2013-07-28 09:43:36 AM  
FACT: if you are a fat fark, you can lose weight almost over night by eating FOUR (4) McDoubles per day and Diet Coke.
 
2013-07-28 09:45:09 AM  
"Junk food costs as little as $1.76 per 1,000 calories, ... A 2,000-calorie day of meals would, if you stuck strictly to the good-for-you stuff, cost $36.32, said the study's lead author, Adam Drewnowski."

This dude is a farking moran, this means you would have to spend over $1000 per month to eat the "good-for-you stuff." Here's the article he is refering too, it says:

"Energy cost of foods in the bottom quintile of energy density, beverages excluded, was $18.16/1,000 kcal as compared to only $1.76/1,000 kcal for foods in the top quintile."

Things in the bottom quintile: sugar, cookies, peanut butter, margarine, lard, olive oil
Things in the top quintile: lobster, oysters, red peppers, blueberries, cod

I didn't realize that eating well meant I had to eat 2000 calories per day of lobster.
 
2013-07-28 09:45:49 AM  

some_beer_drinker: i usually order 3 of them. don't usually finish the third one.


You should be ashamed for wasting this highly nutritious food.

I usually buy three, eat two, and smear the two halves of the last one all over the neared homeless guy.
 
2013-07-28 09:46:31 AM  

YoOjo: I grew up somewhere with no McDs so I never had their food as a child, first time I ever went in one was at age 15, I wanted to use the bathroom but I was on LSD and the whole experience was so plastic (even the lighting and air in there seemed plastic) that I left and have never returned.
So, I'm that guy, I've never eaten McD, but not because I'm a smug hipster, more because I'm odd.


It's been close to 20 years that I've ordered anything besides a Coke at McDonald's and even then it was only because some friend insisted on going.

The last straw was when the fries were burned and the hamburger was made of cardboard.  McDonald's has enough competition that I don't have to put up with that.
 
2013-07-28 09:48:59 AM  

gfid: YoOjo: I grew up somewhere with no McDs so I never had their food as a child, first time I ever went in one was at age 15, I wanted to use the bathroom but I was on LSD and the whole experience was so plastic (even the lighting and air in there seemed plastic) that I left and have never returned.
So, I'm that guy, I've never eaten McD, but not because I'm a smug hipster, more because I'm odd.

It's been close to 20 years that I've ordered anything besides a Coke at McDonald's and even then it was only because some friend insisted on going.

The last straw was when the fries were burned and the hamburger was made of cardboard.  McDonald's has enough competition that I don't have to put up with that.


I think there's a very strong probability that their coke is made out of plastic.
 
2013-07-28 09:49:26 AM  
It really IS a shame when a pack of blueberries cost me almost $5 and a Burger King combo meal costs about the same!

I'm a "eat to live" type guy so thinking about food is a pain in my ass (First World Problems)
 
2013-07-28 09:50:21 AM  
If the macrobiotic Marxists had their way, of course, there'd be no McDonald's, Walmart or Exxon...

Look out John Stossel there is a new journalist in town!
 
2013-07-28 09:52:44 AM  
The argument is an interesting one, but there is a flaw - we don't know how many people eat McDonald's because they can't afford better quality food vs. how many people eat it just because that's what they choose to eat.
 
2013-07-28 09:53:45 AM  
He seems really riled up by organic food or vegetables. I blame his ex-girlfriend with the dreadlocks and Japanese eggplant fetish.
 
2013-07-28 09:54:18 AM  

born_yesterday: I actually measure the cost of healthy food that I buy in McDoubles.  A few tomatos and a head of lettuce?  About 5 McDoubles.  A pound of carrots?  One or two McDoubles.  So heavily subsidized, that all of the processing and transport that goes into a McDouble allows them to offer it for less than locally grown produce.  Awesome.


A billion farking times  THIS.

Kill the corn subsidy and see what happens to the REAL price of food.
 
2013-07-28 09:55:28 AM  
red beans and rice is cheaper and better for you.

so are many cabbage dishes.
 
2013-07-28 09:55:29 AM  
The double cheezburger is a great buy.  Up until a year or two ago, it was only $1.00, and two of them could hold me for the better part of a day.  Tasty shiat, fershure!
 
2013-07-28 09:59:30 AM  
Wonderful article. So true on every level.
 
2013-07-28 10:00:32 AM  
If I go to mcdonalds I order one of those and a $1 fries and a water. $2 lunch...fark the regular menu
 
2013-07-28 10:00:43 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: ZzeusS: Is this one of those articles where the college kid types in lots of words but doesn't really have a point, or make a whole lot of sense?

Yes.  Yes it is.

Yeah it was all over the place. We can't even get an article about the McDouble without weird, political insults and tangents? We've successfully politicized and internalized the McDouble? Awesome.


The author did that.  The farking title of the page (not the article, the page) is "Kyle Smith: Liberals say they care about the poor but drive up their cost of living."

So no, we apparently can't get an article about McDoubles without political attacks.
 
2013-07-28 10:02:19 AM  
But we all know fast food makes us fat, right? Not necessarily. People who eat out tend to eat less at home that day in partial compensation; the net gain, according to a 2008 study out of Berkeley and Northwestern, is only about 24 calories a day.

There's more to nutrition than calories, genius. Compare fat, cholesterol, and sodium (19g, 62mg/22%, 850mg/35%... huh, honestly that's lower than I thought.) to eating a similarly sized "meal" at home.

Okay, I gotta be honest, those numbers are way lower than I expected to be. Just don't get fries and that burger's really not bad if you're in a pinch. There are better options. And this is kind of exactly what "localvore, organic veggie foodies" or whatever are talking about, that nutritious food and things like fruits and vegetables, ready to eat (or at least remotely ready, not requiring much prep time) are always more expensive than dollar menu stuff.
 
2013-07-28 10:02:45 AM  

maniacbastard: red beans and rice is cheaper and better for you.

so are many cabbage dishes.


You are assuming the author gives a shiat.  How can he rage against liberals withe read beans and rice?
 
2013-07-28 10:02:50 AM  
If everyone else is getting stuff I don't mind getting a single Mccheezburgr. It is for the value, probably the best thing on their menu.

For quality though, it has to be the Wendy's junior burger. It's twice as much but the quality is usually worth it.
 
2013-07-28 10:02:58 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: If I eat at McDonald's, I will invariably be shiatting liquids later that day.

I'll pass. Thanks.


If a trip to mcdonalds gives you the shiats you should probably go see a doctor to have your guts looked at.
 
2013-07-28 10:03:22 AM  

Rhino_man: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: ZzeusS: Is this one of those articles where the college kid types in lots of words but doesn't really have a point, or make a whole lot of sense?

Yes.  Yes it is.

Yeah it was all over the place. We can't even get an article about the McDouble without weird, political insults and tangents? We've successfully politicized and internalized the McDouble? Awesome.

The author did that.  The farking title of the page (not the article, the page) is "Kyle Smith: Liberals say they care about the poor but drive up their cost of living."

So no, we apparently can't get an article about McDoubles without political attacks.


Well, he does right for the Post.
 
2013-07-28 10:04:06 AM  
Write. Dammit.
 
2013-07-28 10:04:10 AM  

YoOjo: I grew up somewhere with no McDs so I never had their food as a child, first time I ever went in one was at age 15, I wanted to use the bathroom but I was on LSD and the whole experience was so plastic (even the lighting and air in there seemed plastic) that I left and have never returned.


Well good news[1], it wasn't that you were all hopped up on goofballs, it was that that's just the way McD's really are.

[1] May not actually be good news.  Void where prohibited.  Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
 
2013-07-28 10:04:24 AM  

berylman: macrobiotic Marxists


TFA is truly herping that derp!
 
2013-07-28 10:05:06 AM  
McDonald's food is disgusting, it's little more than fillers, fat and salt.  When you eat that stuff, you're slowly killing yourself, it's not worth it.

I read the article and still don't know how or why anybody could eat that stuff.  I'd rather take a cue from my neighbor's dog and go around scavenging the feces of other animals.  It'd be cheaper and more nutritious for sure, and at least if I died from it, the death would be quick compared to the slow, lingering death of heart disease and diabetes.

That's why I go to Wendy's for their junior cheeseburger deluxe instead.
 
2013-07-28 10:07:07 AM  

Derigiberble: You are assuming the author gives a shiat.  How can he rage against liberals withe read beans and rice?


Come again?........
 
2013-07-28 10:07:28 AM  

pseudoscience: "Junk food costs as little as $1.76 per 1,000 calories, ... A 2,000-calorie day of meals would, if you stuck strictly to the good-for-you stuff, cost $36.32, said the study's lead author, Adam Drewnowski."

This dude is a farking moran, this means you would have to spend over $1000 per month to eat the "good-for-you stuff." Here's the article he is refering too, it says:

"Energy cost of foods in the bottom quintile of energy density, beverages excluded, was $18.16/1,000 kcal as compared to only $1.76/1,000 kcal for foods in the top quintile."

Things in the bottom quintile: sugar, cookies, peanut butter, margarine, lard, olive oil
Things in the top quintile: lobster, oysters, red peppers, blueberries, cod

I didn't realize that eating well meant I had to eat 2000 calories per day of lobster.


Your name is disturbingly appropriate for that comment.
 
2013-07-28 10:09:03 AM  
For the average poor person, it isn't a great option to take a trip to the farmers market to puzzle over esoteric lefty-foodie codes.

img.fark.net

I actually had the notion to stop in the previous paragraph, but thought I would give him a chance to make his point.  What a fool I was.
 
2013-07-28 10:09:52 AM  

Igor Jakovsky: AverageAmericanGuy: If I eat at McDonald's, I will invariably be shiatting liquids later that day.

I'll pass. Thanks.

If a trip to mcdonalds gives you the shiats you should probably go see a doctor to have your guts looked at.


Done that. It turns out that McDonald's fills their food with milk solids which I am apparently intolerant of.
 
2013-07-28 10:13:07 AM  
I hate to take shots at bad writing, but goddam man make a point.

Occasionally I will swing by the McD's here and do $4 worth.  Two Doubles, and two chicken.  Or one each of the regular and then spicy chicken.  Light mayo!  Then gorge like a freak.

Totally not worth it 45 minutes late, but still I do it.  That and Taco Bell.

The food price is cheap, but I didn't see him make note of the fat content anywhere.

http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/full_menu_explorer.html

29 percent!  Two of those and you're done.
 
2013-07-28 10:14:12 AM  

maniacbastard: red beans and rice is cheaper and better for you.

so are many cabbage dishes.


Around here you can get massive bags of good rice and a variety of lentils and beans for cheap. Also, large bags of vegetables such as onions for a decent price. Why? High population of people from India who don't eat meat, and who own farms and produce stores. There is a demand and they largely created the supply. They eat onions, cauliflower, carrots, and lentils every day. Not a luxury food or an add on food they eat once a week in a feeble attempt at being healthy, just their basic everyday meals.
 
2013-07-28 10:14:23 AM  
Very good read about the differences between the McDouble and the Big Mac
 http://aht.seriouseats.com/archives/2012/04/the-one-dollar-poor-man s-b ig-mac-worth-it-or-not.html

and yes I order 2 or 3 McDoubles and im good for 8 hours.
 
2013-07-28 10:14:47 AM  

ZzeusS: I hate to take shots at bad writing, but goddam man make a point.

Occasionally I will swing by the McD's here and do $4 worth.  Two Doubles, and two chicken.  Or one each of the regular and then spicy chicken.  Light mayo!  Then gorge like a freak.

Totally not worth it 45 minutes late, but still I do it.  That and Taco Bell.

The food price is cheap, but I didn't see him make note of the fat content anywhere.

http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/full_menu_explorer.html

29 percent!  Two of those and you're done.


I hate to say it, but sometimes I farking love getting 20 nugs. Even 40 nugs if I'm feeling particularly fat. Ask for honey mustard AND sweet and sour.
 
2013-07-28 10:17:20 AM  
A bunch of the guys used to go to McDonald's for 25 cent cheeseburger day.  It was the best $5 lunch in town.
 
2013-07-28 10:17:53 AM  

ZzeusS: I hate to take shots at bad writing, but goddam man make a point.

Occasionally I will swing by the McD's here and do $4 worth.  Two Doubles, and two chicken.  Or one each of the regular and then spicy chicken.  Light mayo!  Then gorge like a freak.

Totally not worth it 45 minutes late, but still I do it.  That and Taco Bell.

The food price is cheap, but I didn't see him make note of the fat content anywhere.

http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/full_menu_explorer.html

29 percent!  Two of those and you're done.


The bean and cheese burritos at Taco Bell are probably the healthier option in terms of low fat and extra fibre.

Meat, vegetables and ketchup on a McDonald's burger are fine, it's the processed cheese, added salt, and white flour bun with preservatives and little fibre. If one is hellbent on a burger, Wendy's will fry up patties with no salt for you and leave off the mayo and cheese on request.
 
2013-07-28 10:17:53 AM  
By the authors reasonings, the poor should just eat buckets of lard and be happy.

Hint: when your argument relies solely on semantics, you have already lost.
 
2013-07-28 10:22:52 AM  

FunkOut: The bean and cheese burritos at Taco Bell are probably the healthier option in terms of low fat and extra fibre.


Bean burritos are 390 calories, 11 grams of fat, a scant 5mg of choletrol, and a whopping 9g of fiber. Taco Bell is SUPER bad with salt, though. 1,100 mg of sodium.
 
2013-07-28 10:22:59 AM  

MrHappyRotter: McDonald's food is disgusting, it's little more than fillers, fat and salt. When you eat that stuff, you're slowly killing yourself, it's not worth it.


When you don't eat that stuff, you are still slowly dying.
 
2013-07-28 10:23:00 AM  

ZzeusS: I hate to take shots at bad writing, but goddam man make a point.

Occasionally I will swing by the McD's here and do $4 worth.  Two Doubles, and two chicken.  Or one each of the regular and then spicy chicken.  Light mayo!  Then gorge like a freak.

Totally not worth it 45 minutes late, but still I do it.  That and Taco Bell.

The food price is cheap, but I didn't see him make note of the fat content anywhere.

http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/full_menu_explorer.html

29 percent!  Two of those and you're done.


Dietary fat isn't bad, though. Calories from fat doesn't make you fat, excess calories makes you fat
 
2013-07-28 10:23:14 AM  

Bloody William: ZzeusS: I hate to take shots at bad writing, but goddam man make a point.

Occasionally I will swing by the McD's here and do $4 worth.  Two Doubles, and two chicken.  Or one each of the regular and then spicy chicken.  Light mayo!  Then gorge like a freak.

Totally not worth it 45 minutes late, but still I do it.  That and Taco Bell.

The food price is cheap, but I didn't see him make note of the fat content anywhere.

http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/full_menu_explorer.html

29 percent!  Two of those and you're done.

I hate to say it, but sometimes I farking love getting 20 nugs. Even 40 nugs if I'm feeling particularly fat. Ask for honey mustard AND sweet and sour.



One of my vices, as well!  However with Nuggets, you can grab a bag of them frozen from Target for $5 and bake half the bag, and still consume like a freak.  Nuggets are too easily done at home to buy them at McD's.
 
2013-07-28 10:26:33 AM  

ZzeusS: 29 percent! Two of those and you're done.


Math's not your strong subject, huh?
 
2013-07-28 10:27:04 AM  
I'm going to start a magazine called "Conservative Consumer Reports" and rate products and companies not on quality, but on a scale ranging from a low of "Enjoy Tossing Pelosi's Salad" to a middle of "Pisses Off the Libs" to a top of "Is That Ronald Reagan Wiping Away a Proud Tear?"
 
2013-07-28 10:30:06 AM  

Disgruntled Goat: ZzeusS: 29 percent! Two of those and you're done.

Math's not your strong subject, huh?



Per meal.  Should have finished my thought.  The goal is not to eat 100 percent of your recommended fat content in one sitting.
 
2013-07-28 10:30:16 AM  

stlmyke: Very good read about the differences between the McDouble and the Big Mac
 http://aht.seriouseats.com/archives/2012/04/the-one-dollar-poor-man s-b ig-mac-worth-it-or-not.html

and yes I order 2 or 3 McDoubles and im good for 8 hours.


Have you (or anyone else in this thread) actually tried this?

(Yes, I read the whole thing :)
 
2013-07-28 10:35:17 AM  

maniacbastard: red beans and rice is cheaper and better for you.

so are many cabbage dishes.


Found an awesome and unbelievably simple recipe for red cabbage this weekend.  In a deep pot, brown six chopped slices of bacon.  Add one large chopped onion and cook until caramelized.  Add 3 cloves chopped garlic.  (I added just enough chicken broth at this point to stop the garlic from burning).  Add 1 head of chopped cabbage and cook on medium-low for ten minutes, then cover and cook on low for 30 minutes.  I added some sliced smoked sausage during the low cooking point to give it some more body as a main dish.

The next time I try it, I'm going to add more broth because the liquid that forms tastes great.
 
2013-07-28 10:37:35 AM  
Anyone who feigns disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Ride a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers
 
2013-07-28 10:44:32 AM  

letrole: Anyone who feigns disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Ride a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers


2, 4, 6 and 7.  Also, this article was about the McDouble, not the Big Mac.

Nice name, now:
fireden.net
 
2013-07-28 10:51:57 AM  

PreMortem: But it tastes like shiat.


Was in a hurry and only wanted something small, cheap and containing meat a couple of weeks back and hadn't had one of these in a while.

There was no texture to the beef.  No structure at all and barely any taste.  I could only conclude that the 'beef' in these things is in fact, the 'pink slime' beef heavily processed and collected from the tail end of the rendering process.
 
2013-07-28 10:54:28 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: If I eat at McDonald's, I will invariably be shiatting liquids later that day.

I'll pass. Thanks.


You (and people like you) need to see a doctor about those digestive problems. Millions of people eat fast food every day without getting diarrhea.
 
2013-07-28 10:54:31 AM  

www.nypost.com
The Libertarian in Your Dorm
This guy really thinks outside the box

 
2013-07-28 10:56:50 AM  
I had a McDouble last night after leaving the bar, so I'm a getting a kick or something.  They may not be the greatest thing ever, but at 11:30 after 4 stouts it tasted pretty damn good.
 
2013-07-28 10:58:06 AM  
TFA inadvertently makes a case for replacing food stamps with food.

Mickey D's is hardly the only place to get cheap calories...pretty much every grocery store is stuffed to the rafters with products from the heavily-subsidized starch-industrial complex. A poor mom trying to make her EBT card last still gets to choose between crap, crap, and crap.

And no, the solution is NOT to increase the benefits level. That's just another subsidy for the Walmarts and big agriculture, and soon enough the mom is back where she started needing more benefits to buy the same crap she was buying before - plus everybody else also gets to pay more for their food. And their health care.

The only way to win is not to play a game that plays right into the hands of the big businesses that progressives supposedly despise. Blow up the entire food stamp system and start over.

I'd rather pay for healthy foods, ingredients and recipes to be delivered to poor families, or available at soup kitchens. Instead of having Vogon bureaucrats in offices giving people the runaround as they do half-assed asset checks on recipients, have more workers out actually interacting with people in need. You want that wonderful government health care system they have in places like Norway? First you have to have a government people trust, like Norways. And you sure as shiat don't do that by hiring bunches of people to sit behind desks in social-services offices telling people they don't have the appropriate documentation for form 6-8992-J(7) and they'll have to come back six Tuesdays from now, between 11:30 and 11:45am, with the correct documentation, during a new moon (bewareoftheleopard.jpg).

Fraud? Not a problem any more. There's no more EBT card to cash in at sketchy merchants, and if there's a thriving black market in the cauliflower-for-booze trade I haven't heard of it.

And since we won't be subsidizing businesses to grow and sell starchy crap any more, a lot of them will switch over to growing and marketing healthier fare...because there's more profit in it. I'd rather not subsidize anybody. But I also don't want the perfect to be the enemy of the good, so if the best that's politically possible is switching corn and wheat subsidies to subsidies for carrots, blueberries, broccoli, lentils and so forth, I'm okay with that.
 
2013-07-28 10:58:37 AM  

Bloody William: ZzeusS: I hate to take shots at bad writing, but goddam man make a point.

Occasionally I will swing by the McD's here and do $4 worth.  Two Doubles, and two chicken.  Or one each of the regular and then spicy chicken.  Light mayo!  Then gorge like a freak.

Totally not worth it 45 minutes late, but still I do it.  That and Taco Bell.

The food price is cheap, but I didn't see him make note of the fat content anywhere.

http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/full_menu_explorer.html

29 percent!  Two of those and you're done.

I hate to say it, but sometimes I farking love getting 20 nugs. Even 40 nugs if I'm feeling particularly fat. Ask for honey mustard AND sweet and sour.


Our McDonalds..es.. no longer have Hot Mustard sauce.  The nugget is dead to me.
 
2013-07-28 10:59:05 AM  

FunkOut: He seems really riled up by organic food or vegetables. I blame his ex-girlfriend with the dreadlocks and Japanese eggplant fetish.


i.imgur.com

How YOU doin'?
 
2013-07-28 11:06:39 AM  
The McDouble is shiatty. Spend an extra 40 cents and get the double cheeseburger.
 
2013-07-28 11:08:56 AM  
Well, there are worse mcdonald's burgers. Good to know that while I only order 1 at fast food when I'm in a hurry and mcdoubles taste better than some things, that I'm putting something a little healthier than I thought in my system.  Definitely something to keep in mind.  As long as I keep track of which Mcdonalds are not well known for workers being caught doing random disgusting things on or around the food.
 
2013-07-28 11:11:26 AM  

FuturePastNow: The McDouble is shiatty. Spend an extra 40 cents and get the double cheeseburger.


What's the difference?
 
2013-07-28 11:12:36 AM  
I don't like 'conservatives' but I sure as hell don't like smug hipsters.

This article makes sense.  It always strikes as cognitive dissonance whether you're a conservative or progressive, that yes, many times your thought processes and opinions are shaped by the garbage news outlets you all suck up on a daily basis...and you don't even realize you're being programmed.
 
2013-07-28 11:19:20 AM  

Gulper Eel: TFA inadvertently makes a case for replacing food stamps with food.

Mickey D's is hardly the only place to get cheap calories...pretty much every grocery store is stuffed to the rafters with products from the heavily-subsidized starch-industrial complex. A poor mom trying to make her EBT card last still gets to choose between crap, crap, and crap.

And no, the solution is NOT to increase the benefits level. That's just another subsidy for the Walmarts and big agriculture, and soon enough the mom is back where she started needing more benefits to buy the same crap she was buying before - plus everybody else also gets to pay more for their food. And their health care.

The only way to win is not to play a game that plays right into the hands of the big businesses that progressives supposedly despise. Blow up the entire food stamp system and start over.


Here in WV, in among the rampant corruption and general stuck-in-the-1930s of state government, the occasional great idea peeks its head out and says "howdy!":

West Virginia WIC Farmer's Market Program
West Virginia Senior Farmer's Market Nutrition Program

Found out about those just yesterday, when I saw an elderly lady pay for some vegetables at our local farmer's market with a SFMNP check.
 
2013-07-28 11:26:15 AM  
Don't you see?  We have to keep paying fast food workers sub-living wages so that we can make high calorie/low nutrition per dollar meals that low income fast food workers can afford!  Otherwise they'd be forced to choose between shiatty hamburgers and something with good flavor and food value!
 
2013-07-28 11:30:06 AM  

Rhino_man: letrole: Anyone who feigns disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Ride a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers

2, 4, 6 and 7.  Also, this article was about the McDouble, not the Big Mac.

Nice name, now:
[fireden.net image 717x880]



Dude just has a notepad if four or five posts that he just copies into half-related threads.
 
2013-07-28 11:40:03 AM  
McDonalds doesn't sell food, it sells "food".
 
2013-07-28 11:43:10 AM  
I'm surprised this guy doesn't just subsist on glasses of canola oil or melted Crisco, because he's all about maximizing his calories-per-dollar.
 
2013-07-28 11:43:52 AM  

Derigiberble: maniacbastard: red beans and rice is cheaper and better for you.

so are many cabbage dishes.

You are assuming the author gives a shiat.  How can he rage against liberals withe read beans and rice?


The authors point is, the liberal/foodie crowd would claim that eating white rice is a sin, and unless you know the farmer who grew your beans, you may as well be hitler.
 
2013-07-28 11:45:24 AM  

Zulu_as_Kono: McDonalds doesn't sell food, it sells "food".


Vegetable protein stabilized cellulose pasteurized process foodstuff product.
 
2013-07-28 11:47:29 AM  
Keep farking that McNugget, Kyle Smith.
 
2013-07-28 11:52:47 AM  

Moreover, produce takes more time to prepare and spoils quickly, two more factors that effectively drive up the cost. Any time you're spending peeling vegetables is time you aren't spending on the job.



How many times has this fella run for office?
 
2013-07-28 11:53:55 AM  

Zulu_as_Kono: McDonalds doesn't sell food, it sells "food".


Like "beef" that comes from "cows" and "cheese" that comes from "milk."  The horror.
 
2013-07-28 11:55:45 AM  
ONCE AGAIN, MCFATTY TRIUMPHS ALL.

Step 1...Get a McDouble
Step 2...Get a McChicken.
Step 3...Remove and trash bottom buns on both.
Step 4...Attach McDouble bottom to McChicken bottom to create the McFatty*.

*Do not stare directly at McFatty. Its knows your weaknesses.

/$2 and change for some good eating
//you are welcome
 
2013-07-28 11:59:40 AM  
Outlaw2097:
Step 1...Get a McDouble
Step 2...Get a McChicken.
Step 3...Remove and trash bottom buns on both.
Step 4...Attach McDouble bottom to McChicken bottom to create the McFatty*.



You are wrongest.  For some reason the hamburger patties and chicken patty neutralize each other's flavor, denying you any of the enjoyment of eating either of those cheap guilty pleasures on their own.

/STOP McMISCEGENATION NOW
 
2013-07-28 11:59:47 AM  

RobertBruce: That's the best article I've seen on fark in ages.


100%
 
2013-07-28 12:00:48 PM  
There's a whole lot of people in this thread just waving their hands and getting angry and calling the author a troll because they have this vague feeling that he MUST be wrong, but they can't come up with a single reason why.
 
2013-07-28 12:01:50 PM  

Tommy Moo: There's a whole lot of people in this thread just waving their hands and getting angry and calling the author a troll because they have this vague feeling that he MUST be wrong, but they can't come up with a single reason why.


1. He uses calorie count as a sufficient indicator of nutritional value.  It is not.
 
2013-07-28 12:02:44 PM  

Nogale: FuturePastNow: The McDouble is shiatty. Spend an extra 40 cents and get the double cheeseburger.

What's the difference?


Double patties with a standard amount of cheese, vs a single patty with double the cheese
 
2013-07-28 12:05:00 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Outlaw2097:
Step 1...Get a McDouble
Step 2...Get a McChicken.
Step 3...Remove and trash bottom buns on both.
Step 4...Attach McDouble bottom to McChicken bottom to create the McFatty*.


You are wrongest.  For some reason the hamburger patties and chicken patty neutralize each other's flavor, denying you any of the enjoyment of eating either of those cheap guilty pleasures on their own.

/STOP McMISCEGENATION NOW


Dont knock until you try. Greasy cheesy of McDouble pairs with spicy and mayo-y McChicken.

/tried a Noahs Ark with a Filet O Fish and McRib on top
//it does not work
 
2013-07-28 12:09:53 PM  
The best part is you can order one 'Big Mac style', they remove the ketchup and mustard, and add Big Mac sauce and shredded lettuce. You basically pay a little upcharge and get a Big Mac for $1.49, and no middle slice of bread. No, please, no need to worship me.
 
2013-07-28 12:10:48 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Zulu_as_Kono: McDonalds doesn't sell food, it sells "food".

Like "beef" that comes from "cows" and "cheese" that comes from "milk."  The horror.


You think that the "beef" patties that McD's uses is just ground up cow meat? That's adorable.
 
2013-07-28 12:11:26 PM  

destardi: I don't like 'conservatives' but I sure as hell don't like smug hipsters.

This article makes sense.  It always strikes as cognitive dissonance whether you're a conservative or progressive, that yes, many times your thought processes and opinions are shaped by the garbage news outlets you all suck up on a daily basis...and you don't even realize you're being programmed.


This.
 
2013-07-28 12:11:26 PM  
And the "cheese" is probably more vegetable oil than milk.
 
2013-07-28 12:12:06 PM  
I stopped going to McDonalds when I saw Edward G. Robinson lying on a bed in the back, watching a nature film.
 
2013-07-28 12:12:29 PM  
Changed diet/exercise routine over the last couple years.  Stopped lifting weights and mostly do functional strength training. Added more cardio.  Improved my diet - learned to cook pretty decently, and took the mentality that as long as I eat healthy for breakfast and lunch (and snacks), I can have whatever I want for dinner and drink beer. 

The one hard and fast rule is that I cut out fast food and soda. It's the best health decision I've ever made.

In that time (2 years), I've dropped 20 pounds.  I also haven't been sick at all; no colds, no flu, and very rarely do I even have an upset stomach.  I have more energy and at 34, look and feel like I'm in the best shape of my life.
 
2013-07-28 12:13:23 PM  

Tommy Moo: There's a whole lot of people in this thread just waving their hands and getting angry and calling the author a troll because they have this vague feeling that he MUST be wrong, but they can't come up with a single reason why.


If the macrobiotic Marxists had their way, of course, there'd be no McDonald's, Walmart or Exxon,
 
2013-07-28 12:17:55 PM  

Kensey: Gulper Eel: TFA inadvertently makes a case for replacing food stamps with food.

Mickey D's is hardly the only place to get cheap calories...pretty much every grocery store is stuffed to the rafters with products from the heavily-subsidized starch-industrial complex. A poor mom trying to make her EBT card last still gets to choose between crap, crap, and crap.

And no, the solution is NOT to increase the benefits level. That's just another subsidy for the Walmarts and big agriculture, and soon enough the mom is back where she started needing more benefits to buy the same crap she was buying before - plus everybody else also gets to pay more for their food. And their health care.

The only way to win is not to play a game that plays right into the hands of the big businesses that progressives supposedly despise. Blow up the entire food stamp system and start over.

Here in WV, in among the rampant corruption and general stuck-in-the-1930s of state government, the occasional great idea peeks its head out and says "howdy!":

West Virginia WIC Farmer's Market Program
West Virginia Senior Farmer's Market Nutrition Program

Found out about those just yesterday, when I saw an elderly lady pay for some vegetables at our local farmer's market with a SFMNP check.


Maryland allows all food stamp recipients to use them at farmers markets.  Plus it is like hitting blackjack.  $1.00 of benefits will buy $1.50 worth of produce.
 
2013-07-28 12:17:58 PM  

etherknot: If everyone else is getting stuff I don't mind getting a single Mccheezburgr. It is for the value, probably the best thing on their menu.



I adore the two cheeseburger meal.  They took it off the menu for a while, but I found that I could still order it if I just asked for it.
 
2013-07-28 12:18:40 PM  

Tommy Moo: There's a whole lot of people in this thread just waving their hands and getting angry and calling the author a troll because they have this vague feeling that he MUST be wrong, but they can't come up with a single reason why.


Really? You typed this sentence, which makes me think you can read, but there's no indication that you've actually done so.
 
2013-07-28 12:19:57 PM  

LemSkroob: The authors point is, the liberal/foodie crowd would claim that eating white rice is a sin, and unless you know the farmer who grew your beans, you may as well be hitler.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-28 12:23:21 PM  

Tommy Moo: There's a whole lot of people in this thread just waving their hands and getting angry and calling the author a troll because they have this vague feeling that he MUST be wrong, but they can't come up with a single reason why.


Because a NY Post film critic built up a liberal strawman and knocked it down with crappy arguments to justify Brietbarting himself in 20 years?  Dude never mentioned sodium or fat even once.
 
2013-07-28 12:25:06 PM  
As a lefty elitist, this article has opened my eyes.  Here I've been hoping that supporting better quality foods and organizations that make them available to lower income families while working to encourage better wages, even if it means that Walmart and McDonalds will only exist on every other street corner was the thing to do.  The more sensitive and understanding thing is to just write off the poor as too stupid and lazy to understand the benefits of eating healthy and accept that the best thing for them is to gorge themselves on empty calories until they die of obesity, heart disease, and malnutrition (which occur at very high rates in many low income communities).   How inconsiderate of me!
 
2013-07-28 12:26:55 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: If I eat at McDonald's, I will invariably be shiatting liquids later that day.

I'll pass. Thanks.


I don't like McDonalds, and because I like to eat healthy food and cook I don't eat a lot of fast food. That said, I am always wondering if something is terribly wrong with these people who get so incredibly sick after eating fast food. I can eat a cheeseburger and fries and have no ill consequences. Are you allergic to something they are using? Lactose intolerant? Is that really normal?
 
2013-07-28 12:27:23 PM  
I've never tried one of these. I'll have to look around and see if I can find someplace that sells them.
 
2013-07-28 12:28:39 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Relatively Obscure: Zulu_as_Kono: McDonalds doesn't sell food, it sells "food".

Like "beef" that comes from "cows" and "cheese" that comes from "milk."  The horror.

You think that the "beef" patties that McD's uses is just ground up cow meat? That's adorable.


What's in it that's so horrible, do you think?
 
2013-07-28 12:29:02 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Was the author raised as a ragging douchebag or did society make him that way?


"The poor have no bread? Let them eat cake."
 
2013-07-28 12:29:15 PM  

spidermilk: AverageAmericanGuy: If I eat at McDonald's, I will invariably be shiatting liquids later that day.

I'll pass. Thanks.

I don't like McDonalds, and because I like to eat healthy food and cook I don't eat a lot of fast food. That said, I am always wondering if something is terribly wrong with these people who get so incredibly sick after eating fast food. I can eat a cheeseburger and fries and have no ill consequences. Are you allergic to something they are using? Lactose intolerant? Is that really normal?


I've wondered the same thing.
 
2013-07-28 12:29:25 PM  
Ah yes, the double sleezeburger. Sustenance never tasted so depraved.
 
2013-07-28 12:29:43 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: And the "cheese" is probably more vegetable oil than milk.


So you don't know.
 
2013-07-28 12:30:39 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Zulu_as_Kono: Relatively Obscure: Zulu_as_Kono: McDonalds doesn't sell food, it sells "food".

Like "beef" that comes from "cows" and "cheese" that comes from "milk."  The horror.

You think that the "beef" patties that McD's uses is just ground up cow meat? That's adorable.

What's in it that's so horrible, do you think?


There's very little actual beef in their burgers.
 
2013-07-28 12:32:36 PM  
Broktun:
Maryland allows all food stamp recipients to use them at farmers markets.  Plus it is like hitting blackjack.  $1.00 of benefits will buy $1.50 worth of produce.

Interesting, I thought that Maryland was a backwards third-world state, I went there once and was horrified. This seems quite progressive and rational, are you certain you meant to type those exact words or did you make an error?
 
2013-07-28 12:32:38 PM  

pxlboy: Relatively Obscure: Zulu_as_Kono: Relatively Obscure: Zulu_as_Kono: McDonalds doesn't sell food, it sells "food".

Like "beef" that comes from "cows" and "cheese" that comes from "milk."  The horror.

You think that the "beef" patties that McD's uses is just ground up cow meat? That's adorable.

What's in it that's so horrible, do you think?

There's very little actual beef in their burgers.


[citation needed]
 
2013-07-28 12:33:48 PM  

Relatively Obscure: What's in it that's so horrible, do you think?


Sawdust. I was going to post a link but most of the top hits were slideshows so just google "cellulose filler".
 
2013-07-28 12:34:16 PM  

pxlboy: Relatively Obscure: Zulu_as_Kono: Relatively Obscure: Zulu_as_Kono: McDonalds doesn't sell food, it sells "food".

Like "beef" that comes from "cows" and "cheese" that comes from "milk."  The horror.

You think that the "beef" patties that McD's uses is just ground up cow meat? That's adorable.

What's in it that's so horrible, do you think?

There's very little actual beef in their burgers.



From Snopes, FWIW:

While it's a fascinating tale, there's nothing to it: McDonald's hamburger patties in the U.S. are made with 100% USDA-inspected beef. They are cooked and prepared with salt, pepper and nothing else; no preservatives - no fillers.
 
2013-07-28 12:35:20 PM  

Relatively Obscure: What's in it that's so horrible, do you think?


Various soy and vegetable filler, added sodium, "natural" and artificial flavors. That sort of stuff. Until recently (and maybe still) "pink slime".

Oh, and cattle feces. Definitely cattle feces.
 
2013-07-28 12:36:58 PM  

theorellior: Relatively Obscure: What's in it that's so horrible, do you think?

Sawdust. I was going to post a link but most of the top hits were slideshows so just google "cellulose filler".


I found an article that lists things from McD's that had cellulose fiber in them.  None of those things was the beef.
 
2013-07-28 12:38:13 PM  

spidermilk: AverageAmericanGuy: If I eat at McDonald's, I will invariably be shiatting liquids later that day.

I'll pass. Thanks.

I don't like McDonalds, and because I like to eat healthy food and cook I don't eat a lot of fast food. That said, I am always wondering if something is terribly wrong with these people who get so incredibly sick after eating fast food. I can eat a cheeseburger and fries and have no ill consequences. Are you allergic to something they are using? Lactose intolerant? Is that really normal?


A lot of it is the milk solids in the food product. Once I found out I was lactose intolerant last year everything fell into place. Carbonara, McD's (BK also), wine and cheese were just the tip of the iceberg. I was surprised at how much milk stuff I was actually consuming. I loved cream sauces and cheese. I drank milk after exercise. Every now and then I'd have a burger at a fast food restaurant. It was always the fast food places that caused the worst effects.

Now that I'm off milk products, my stomach is much better. The other day, though, I went to BK and had a garlic burger* and an hour later I was back on the toilet. Serves me right. I should have known.

*http://www.j-cast.com/mono/2013/07/24179648.html
 
2013-07-28 12:38:17 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Relatively Obscure: What's in it that's so horrible, do you think?

Various soy and vegetable filler, added sodium, "natural" and artificial flavors. That sort of stuff. Until recently (and maybe still) "pink slime".

Oh, and cattle feces. Definitely cattle feces.


Snopes link above, again, says there is no filler, no flavors and the only sodium added is the salt they put on it to season.

You are right about them having used pink slime, though.
 
2013-07-28 12:39:38 PM  

Orgasmatron138: In that time (2 years), I've dropped 20 pounds.  I also haven't been sick at all; no colds, no flu, and very rarely do I even have an upset stomach.  I have more energy and at 34, look and feel like I'm in the best shape of my life.


I think that last part is one of the biggest benefits and I wish more people realized it.
 
2013-07-28 12:40:33 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Dude never mentioned sodium or fat even once.


He never mentioned ferrets or popular cartoon villains, either. That's because he's only talking about calories. As it says in the article's sub-headline: "In terms of cost-per-calorie, no locavore, organic veggie can compete with the McDouble".
 
2013-07-28 12:42:22 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Snopes link above, again, says there is no filler, no flavors and the only sodium added is the salt they put on it to season.


Well, they must apply "seasoning" with a shovel, then, to get to those levels of sodium.  And if they're all-natural 100% beef (plus a little feces for good measure), then why do they taste like cardboard?  Or have they gotten better in the 2-3 years since I've eaten one?
 
2013-07-28 12:43:12 PM  
In before anyone announces that they have a digestive system so weak and dysfunctional that a McDonalds burger causes them to excrete like a gusher
 
2013-07-28 12:44:53 PM  

fredklein: "In terms of cost-per-calorie, no locavore, organic veggie can compete with the McDouble"


Because clearly, from a healthful-eating perspective, cost-per-calorie is all that matters.
 
2013-07-28 12:45:24 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Relatively Obscure: Snopes link above, again, says there is no filler, no flavors and the only sodium added is the salt they put on it to season.

Well, they must apply "seasoning" with a shovel, then, to get to those levels of sodium.  And if they're all-natural 100% beef (plus a little feces for good measure), then why do they taste like cardboard?  Or have they gotten better in the 2-3 years since I've eaten one?


They're not particularly good, I'm guessing, because of all of the freezing and the fact that they're shoveled out rapid-fire with very little that makes them not extraordinarily generic.  I don't find them bad, I just find them very, very meh.

And since you have mostly teens or other uncaring folk seasoning your burgers when they're grilled (I did this as a teenager, myself), I'd say there IS a good chance they aren't paying much attention to how much salt and pepper they're tossing on the patty.
 
2013-07-28 12:47:02 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: fredklein: "In terms of cost-per-calorie, no locavore, organic veggie can compete with the McDouble"

Because clearly, from a healthful-eating perspective, cost-per-calorie is all that matters.


I'm eating a stick of butter dipped in vegetable oil right now, so I'm getting a kick out of this reply.
 
2013-07-28 12:47:09 PM  

Asa Phelps: funny thing about the last sentence in that article; the poorest people i know actually eat a lot of kale.


Not surprising. The stuff is grown in parking lot planters as a decorative shrub.
 
2013-07-28 12:47:35 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: spidermilk: AverageAmericanGuy: If I eat at McDonald's, I will invariably be shiatting liquids later that day.

I'll pass. Thanks.

I don't like McDonalds, and because I like to eat healthy food and cook I don't eat a lot of fast food. That said, I am always wondering if something is terribly wrong with these people who get so incredibly sick after eating fast food. I can eat a cheeseburger and fries and have no ill consequences. Are you allergic to something they are using? Lactose intolerant? Is that really normal?

A lot of it is the milk solids in the food product. Once I found out I was lactose intolerant last year everything fell into place. Carbonara, McD's (BK also), wine and cheese were just the tip of the iceberg. I was surprised at how much milk stuff I was actually consuming. I loved cream sauces and cheese. I drank milk after exercise. Every now and then I'd have a burger at a fast food restaurant. It was always the fast food places that caused the worst effects.

Now that I'm off milk products, my stomach is much better. The other day, though, I went to BK and had a garlic burger* and an hour later I was back on the toilet. Serves me right. I should have known.

*http://www.j-cast.com/mono/2013/07/24179648.html


OK that makes a lot of sense then! I think it is fair to say that fast food is high fat, high sodium, and maybe highly processed, but it isn't giving people food poisoning like my friends seem to think.
 
2013-07-28 12:47:57 PM  

born_yesterday: Zulu_as_Kono: fredklein: "In terms of cost-per-calorie, no locavore, organic veggie can compete with the McDouble"

Because clearly, from a healthful-eating perspective, cost-per-calorie is all that matters.

I'm eating a stick of butter dipped in vegetable oil right now, so I'm getting a kick out of this reply.


LOL. Paleocultist.
 
2013-07-28 12:49:34 PM  

spidermilk: it isn't giving people food poisoning like my friends seem to think.


This one time at Jack in the Box...

But that was 15 years ago.
 
2013-07-28 12:50:12 PM  

fredklein: He never mentioned ferrets or popular cartoon villains, either. That's because he's only talking about calories. As it says in the article's sub-headline: "In terms of cost-per-calorie, no locavore, organic veggie can compete with the McDouble".


How's that sugared Crisco diet going for you? I mean, it's all about cost per calorie, right?
 
2013-07-28 12:50:27 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: spidermilk: it isn't giving people food poisoning like my friends seem to think.

This one time at Jack in the Box...

But that was 15 years ago.


I don't remember much about Jack in the Box since I haven't lived near one for years, but I remember they sold a taco that scared the hell out of me.
 
2013-07-28 12:54:12 PM  

spidermilk: I am always wondering if something is terribly wrong with these people who get so incredibly sick after eating fast food.


They just type that crap to look "above it all" on the Internet. It's cool, don'tcha know?
 
2013-07-28 01:06:34 PM  
I think the real takeaway from that article is that the author's a douchebag.
 
2013-07-28 01:07:21 PM  
I prefer these when in a hurry.

www.sogoodblog.com
 
2013-07-28 01:07:38 PM  

fredklein: He never mentioned ferrets or popular cartoon villains, either. That's because he's only talking about calories. As it says in the article's sub-headline: "In terms of cost-per-calorie, no locavore, organic veggie can compete with the McDouble".


He whaps around the 'locavore organic veggies' while completely avoiding some of the big reasons 'locavore organic veggies' avoid Mickey D's: The fats and sodium. Instead he hits on cost-per-calorie and says 'BEHOLD! AFFORDABLE NUTRITION!'

His argument is bad and he should feel bad.
 
2013-07-28 01:09:12 PM  

p51d007: I prefer these when in a hurry.


I just came back from a family vacation to the Outer Banks and got to re-experience Hardee's. I nearly had a heart attack just looking at the breakfast menu.

Their lunch menu, on the other hand, isn't that bad. I really should've tried the turkey burger.
 
2013-07-28 01:10:59 PM  

Relatively Obscure: I don't find them bad, I just find them very, very meh.


Don't forget the feces!
 
2013-07-28 01:15:32 PM  

trappedspirit: In before anyone announces that they have a digestive system so weak and dysfunctional that a McDonalds burger causes them to excrete like a gusher


AverageAmericanGuy: If I eat at McDonald's, I will invariably be shiatting liquids later that day.

I'll pass. Thanks.


American Average Guy beat you to it.
 
2013-07-28 01:17:05 PM  

TheGogmagog: YoOjo: I grew up somewhere with no McDs so I never had their food as a child, first time I ever went in one was at age 15, I wanted to use the bathroom but I was on LSD and the whole experience was so plastic (even the lighting and air in there seemed plastic) that I left and have never returned.
So, I'm that guy, I've never eaten McD, but not because I'm a smug hipster, more because I'm odd.

I avoided eating at Burger King until I was 19 or so.  Just so I could say I never ate at Burger King.  I guess I was a smug hipster before there were hipsters.


Funny you mentioned that because I have never eaten Taco Bell just because there is good Mexican Food in my city and have never needed to go to Taco Bell. Now I just won't go so that I can say to people "I have never eaten Taco Bell in my life".
 
2013-07-28 01:17:11 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Relatively Obscure: I don't find them bad, I just find them very, very meh.

Don't forget the feces!


Heh.  I'm kinda done looking, but I don't know if fecal contamination in McD's beef is in any way greater than that which would be found in most restaurants (or how that compares to, say, your average grocery store ground beef).  But, meh.  Thar be poops everywhere.
 
2013-07-28 01:23:26 PM  
Wow, it has a great calorie to price ratio. Therefore it must be a nutritious super-food.
 
2013-07-28 01:30:45 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Zulu_as_Kono: Relatively Obscure: What's in it that's so horrible, do you think?

Various soy and vegetable filler, added sodium, "natural" and artificial flavors. That sort of stuff. Until recently (and maybe still) "pink slime".

Oh, and cattle feces. Definitely cattle feces.

Snopes link above, again, says there is no filler, no flavors and the only sodium added is the salt they put on it to season.

You are right about them having used pink slime, though.


They got caught out about the filler a decade ago, which was the point at which "pink slime" was invented so that the product could be labeled "100% beef" (which it is) without actually having to buy expensive meat.
 
2013-07-28 01:31:55 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Heh.  I'm kinda done looking, but I don't know if fecal contamination in McD's beef is in any way greater than that which would be found in most restaurants (or how that compares to, say, your average grocery store ground beef).  But, meh.  Thar be poops everywhere.


Well, my point was more about fast food ground beef in general, since they tend to buy from suppliers that are always focused on low-cost and speed of processing, so I'm pretty sure it would be higher among fast food burgers than most ground beef bought at a supermarket.

I'm pretty luck to have a regular supermarket where they grind all their beef in-store, which vastly reduces the likelihood of contamination. But I don't worry about it too much. Since I changed the way I eat I only have 1-2 servings of beef/week, so I usually go ahead and have steak.
 
2013-07-28 01:32:57 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: They got caught out about the filler a decade ago,


I'm at work (yay).  Could you point me to more about this, if you get a chance?
 
2013-07-28 01:33:50 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Relatively Obscure: Heh.  I'm kinda done looking, but I don't know if fecal contamination in McD's beef is in any way greater than that which would be found in most restaurants (or how that compares to, say, your average grocery store ground beef).  But, meh.  Thar be poops everywhere.

Well, my point was more about fast food ground beef in general, since they tend to buy from suppliers that are always focused on low-cost and speed of processing, so I'm pretty sure it would be higher among fast food burgers than most ground beef bought at a supermarket.

I'm pretty luck to have a regular supermarket where they grind all their beef in-store, which vastly reduces the likelihood of contamination. But I don't worry about it too much. Since I changed the way I eat I only have 1-2 servings of beef/week, so I usually go ahead and have steak.


Fair enough.  Certainly can't blame someone for opting for steak.
 
2013-07-28 01:39:04 PM  
In terms of cost-per-calorie, gasoline is about 20 times cheaper than a McDouble.

Drink up!
 
2013-07-28 01:48:36 PM  

fredklein: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Dude never mentioned sodium or fat even once.

He never mentioned ferrets or popular cartoon villains, either. That's because he's only talking about calories. As it says in the article's sub-headline: "In terms of cost-per-calorie, no locavore, organic veggie can compete with the McDouble".


Thank you for highlighting the worthlessness of the article.

\evaluating food solely on the basis of cost-per-calorie is akin to Car & Driver putting a particular model on their "Ten Best" list just because it comes in a nifty shade of red.
 
2013-07-28 01:50:02 PM  
Look, I am trying really hard to read the article without thinking that it's nothing more than just a rant against hipsters, but, it's impossible.

Hell, how hard is it to shop for food that is GOOD for you without emptying your wallet? I'm a fish-eating vegetarian that's married to a vegan. I live in Austin and NEVER go to Whole foods or Farmer's markets. I merely shop at either HEB or Fiesta, wash the fark out of the raw fruit, and cook my own shiat. It's not hard to do and it's cheap. There's no excuse for not eating healthy even if you are a broke motherfarker!

As for the article, ok, I understand the appeal of eating a cheap burger. You are hungry, you didn't pack your lunch the previous day, and only have a few bucks. Cool. But, if you are eating out MORE than cooking, yeah, then I find there is a problem with that. IMHO, people (and yes, I've been guilty of this myself) get the mindset of "ugh, I don't feel like cooking" and it becomes a habit. It's a hard one to break, but it' can be broken, trust me.

/steps off Fark.com soapbox
 
2013-07-28 01:59:35 PM  

mafiageek1980: Look, I am trying really hard to read the article without thinking that it's nothing more than just a rant against hipsters, but, it's impossible.

Hell, how hard is it to shop for food that is GOOD for you without emptying your wallet? I'm a fish-eating vegetarian that's married to a vegan. I live in Austin and NEVER go to Whole foods or Farmer's markets. I merely shop at either HEB or Fiesta, wash the fark out of the raw fruit, and cook my own shiat. It's not hard to do and it's cheap. There's no excuse for not eating healthy even if you are a broke motherfarker!

As for the article, ok, I understand the appeal of eating a cheap burger. You are hungry, you didn't pack your lunch the previous day, and only have a few bucks. Cool. But, if you are eating out MORE than cooking, yeah, then I find there is a problem with that. IMHO, people (and yes, I've been guilty of this myself) get the mindset of "ugh, I don't feel like cooking" and it becomes a habit. It's a hard one to break, but it' can be broken, trust me.

/steps off Fark.com soapbox


Hmm, I guess Missed Connections on Craigslist must get pretty dull if you don't go to WF?
When I lived in ATX it was like a vagina wonderland in there, then you'd get home and there'd be all these CL Missed Connections posts referencing the very same tattooed roller derby cupcake queen that I just spoke to...
 
2013-07-28 02:00:10 PM  

cman: farker has got a point


Obviously. But I'll bet if he combed his hair right it wouldn't be nearly so noticeable.

You know what else makes fast food a money-saver? Losing those ten or twenty years of lifespan during which you'd have to be paying for even more food.

Seriously, if you're looking for cheap food, rice, beans and canola will get you a LOT more calories per dollar, and at a MUCH lower cost to your long-term health.

Rice: 25 cents per 1000 calories
Beans: 75 cents per 1000 calories
Canola oil: 30 cents per 1000 calories

So, a bit more than 1/10 the "cost per calorie" of the McDouble, and it gives you plenty of complete protein, without the ridiculous overload of salt and saturated fat.

Yeah, I used to live on fast food, and it still tastes better to me than rice and beans. But I'd rather have those extra years of life, and I'd rather not suffer the digestive and cardiovascular consequences during whatever years I do get.
 
2013-07-28 02:03:28 PM  

Outlaw2097: ONCE AGAIN, MCFATTY TRIUMPHS ALL.

Step 1...Get a McDouble
Step 2...Get a McChicken.
Step 3...Remove and trash bottom buns on both.
Step 4...Attach McDouble bottom to McChicken bottom to create the McFatty*.

*Do not stare directly at McFatty. Its knows your weaknesses.

/$2 and change for some good eating
//you are welcome


I thought that was called the McGangbang
 
2013-07-28 02:07:58 PM  

YoOjo: mafiageek1980: Look, I am trying really hard to read the article without thinking that it's nothing more than just a rant against hipsters, but, it's impossible.

Hell, how hard is it to shop for food that is GOOD for you without emptying your wallet? I'm a fish-eating vegetarian that's married to a vegan. I live in Austin and NEVER go to Whole foods or Farmer's markets. I merely shop at either HEB or Fiesta, wash the fark out of the raw fruit, and cook my own shiat. It's not hard to do and it's cheap. There's no excuse for not eating healthy even if you are a broke motherfarker!

As for the article, ok, I understand the appeal of eating a cheap burger. You are hungry, you didn't pack your lunch the previous day, and only have a few bucks. Cool. But, if you are eating out MORE than cooking, yeah, then I find there is a problem with that. IMHO, people (and yes, I've been guilty of this myself) get the mindset of "ugh, I don't feel like cooking" and it becomes a habit. It's a hard one to break, but it' can be broken, trust me.

/steps off Fark.com soapbox

Hmm, I guess Missed Connections on Craigslist must get pretty dull if you don't go to WF?
When I lived in ATX it was like a vagina wonderland in there, then you'd get home and there'd be all these CL Missed Connections posts referencing the very same tattooed roller derby cupcake queen that I just spoke to...


LOL! Naw, don't do Craigslist either unless I'm trying to get rid of moving boxes and don't want to let them go to waste in the trash.
 
2013-07-28 02:08:00 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Dwight_Yeast: They got caught out about the filler a decade ago,

I'm at work (yay).  Could you point me to more about this, if you get a chance?


I mistyped; that should have been "decades ago", not "a decade ago".

But I'll see what I can find.
 
2013-07-28 02:13:51 PM  

mtbhucker: Outlaw2097: ONCE AGAIN, MCFATTY TRIUMPHS ALL.

Step 1...Get a McDouble
Step 2...Get a McChicken.
Step 3...Remove and trash bottom buns on both.
Step 4...Attach McDouble bottom to McChicken bottom to create the McFatty*.

*Do not stare directly at McFatty. Its knows your weaknesses.

/$2 and change for some good eating
//you are welcome

I thought that was called the McGangbang


The McRusty McVenture.
 
2013-07-28 02:15:00 PM  

Rhino_man: letrole:

Nice name, now:
[fireden.net image 717x880]


The letrole alt account far predates the Reddit 'le' nonsense.
 
2013-07-28 02:16:24 PM  

spidermilk: Orgasmatron138: In that time (2 years), I've dropped 20 pounds.  I also haven't been sick at all; no colds, no flu, and very rarely do I even have an upset stomach.  I have more energy and at 34, look and feel like I'm in the best shape of my life.

I think that last part is one of the biggest benefits and I wish more people realized it.


I think it's easy for people to get caught up in extremes.  They think that either you NEVER eat junk food, maintain a strict, rigid diet, and spend all your time exercising or you sit on your couch all day stuffing your face.

I like to think I found a good balance.  I eat well, I still get to drink, but I feel great and look the best I've ever looked.

I've never understood the mentality of people who think eating right and exercise are just about living longer; it's also about feeling awesome a lot of the time.
 
2013-07-28 02:20:26 PM  

Neighborhood Watch: That story was actually pretty good.  It made sense.

The money line:  "If the macrobiotic Marxists had their way, of course, there'd be no McDonald's, Walmart or Exxon, because they have visions of an ideal world in which everybody bikes to work with a handwoven backpack from Etsy that contains a lunch grown in the neighborhood collective."


/funny, but true


Could be, but anyone worried about such is a total retard. They'll get humans to give up meat and effective farming methods just about when the Pope gets us to voluntarily stop masturbating.
 
2013-07-28 02:23:58 PM  

CheekyMonkey: fredklein: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Dude never mentioned sodium or fat even once.

He never mentioned ferrets or popular cartoon villains, either. That's because he's only talking about calories. As it says in the article's sub-headline: "In terms of cost-per-calorie, no locavore, organic veggie can compete with the McDouble".

Thank you for highlighting the worthlessness of the article.

\evaluating food solely on the basis of cost-per-calorie is akin to Car & Driver putting a particular model on their "Ten Best" list just because it comes in a nifty shade of red.


It's like evaluating the best places to live based on cost-per-square-foot of real estate, or the best car on lifetime miles driven per dollar of purchase price.  If that were the case, the best place to live would be Detroit a few years back where they were giving away housing ($0/sq foot!), and the best car would be a late 80's honda accord or something similar, because they weren't expensive and lasted for 300,000 miles.
 
2013-07-28 02:24:09 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Relatively Obscure: I don't find them bad, I just find them very, very meh.

Don't forget the feces!


Don't forget the insects and their feces ground up in every bit of flour you have ever consumed.

Maybe we should just stop eating?
 
2013-07-28 02:35:28 PM  
letrole posts the same comment over and over.

letrole: doesn't it get boring after a while?

letrole: Anyone who feigns disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Ride a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers

 
2013-07-28 02:38:17 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Relatively Obscure: Dwight_Yeast: They got caught out about the filler a decade ago,

I'm at work (yay).  Could you point me to more about this, if you get a chance?

I mistyped; that should have been "decades ago", not "a decade ago".

But I'll see what I can find.


So, according to the Wikipedia (article "pink slime") the FDA approved the basic process (centerfuging followed by freezing) in 1990, so it wasn't used in food before that date.

Because of all the noise about "pink slime", I can't seem to find anything about earlier filler issues.

Going by my own memory (which could well be faulty), right around 1990, McDonald's got in trouble for two things: soy filler in their burgers and the medium used to fry their french fries, which was at the time beef tallow.  They dealt with the beef tallow issue by replacing it with vegetable oil and a cocktail of flavorings, and they dealt with the filler issue by announcing that they would use "100% beef" from then on, but didn't mention what this meat product was.

Personally, I'd rather the burgers had soy filler than "pink slime".
 
2013-07-28 02:39:38 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: fredklein: "In terms of cost-per-calorie, no locavore, organic veggie can compete with the McDouble"

Because clearly, from a healthful-eating perspective, cost-per-calorie is all that matters.


No one (except you) said that.

He chose to look only at calorie count. There are others who look only at nutritional value. And there are others who look only at taste.

Get over it.
 
2013-07-28 02:40:20 PM  
FTFA:  Junk food costs as little as $1.76 per 1,000 calories, whereas fresh veggies and the like cost more than 10 times as much, found a 2007 University of Washington survey for the Journal of the American Dietetic Association. A 2,000-calorie day of meals would, if you stuck strictly to the good-for-you stuff, cost $36.32, said the study's lead author, Adam Drewnowski.

So naturally we should start making ways for poor people to bet healthier food more cheaply, right? Like, say, through welfare money? Because I hate to break it to you, but there is a  major difference in how the human body processes junk food calories v. how it processes real calories, and one of those differences is an obesity epidemic.

Page Title:  Kyle Smth: Liberals say they care about the poor but drive up their cost of living

...Oh for fark sake.
 
2013-07-28 02:41:42 PM  

theorellior: fredklein: He never mentioned ferrets or popular cartoon villains, either. That's because he's only talking about calories. As it says in the article's sub-headline: "In terms of cost-per-calorie, no locavore, organic veggie can compete with the McDouble".

How's that sugared Crisco diet going for you? I mean, it's all about cost per calorie, right?


No, "it" is not all about cost-per-calorie. The article was focusing on that aspect, however.
 
2013-07-28 02:43:26 PM  
It's a much, MUCH more fulfilling experience to listen to the Freakonomics podcast this article is based off than to read the submitted blog post, which is a half-understood rehash of what Dubner is saying.

The point of the story is that cheap food is almost always dismissed as being bad for you, while expensive food is almost always embraced as being better for you. Both points of view are untrue, because cost is not a surrogate for quality when it comes to food; there are many subsidies and economies of scale that make cheap food cheap and which don't have a lot to do with its nutritional qualities.

The problem with the McDouble is the same as anything on McDonald's menu: it's highly processed, which means that it won't make you feel full as quickly as more natural food, and a lot of the nutritional benefits of the processed ingredients are mitigated in favor of more calories, salt, fat and sugar. If you ate one a day, it would sustain you quite well. But many people eat two or three, followed by fries and a 32 oz soft drink, offering a meal costing $4-5 in most markets, but providing the calories of two meals.

And THAT is the issue at hand. Speaking of which, Freakonomics also put up a piece on the history of obesity recently and found that while it has been on the rise gradually since the Civil War era, it has risen the most sharply since the 1980s.

They don't go into causes, but it doesn't require a lot of imagination; during that same period, mothers increasingly began working full-time, pre-preapred, dine-out and highly processed meals became a way of life AND school lunches increasingly turned away from fresh preparation into processed frozen foods. We had a cultural shift that led us to eating less freshly-prepared food, and we're seeing the effect now.

Another problem is that in the last several decades, dairy producers have had to find ways to put cheese in things because the government stopped buying excess cheese in the late 1970s. Cheese makes food more fattening and higher in calories. You'll notice that cheese or whey, or other dairy derivatives are in almost EVERYTHING you buy that's processed today.

The easy fix is for our government to stop providing subsidies for foods we don't need (corn, beef, cheese) and to start providing subsidies to drive down the costs of foods that are easily eaten raw and fresh (like fruits, carrots, leafy vegetables, etc). The market will take care of the rest.
 
2013-07-28 02:44:36 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Instead he hits on cost-per-calorie and says 'BEHOLD! AFFORDABLE NUTRITION!'


Exactly- his article sub-headline says it's going to be about calories, and his article is about... calories. What's the problem?? That he didn't cover something (fats, sodium, general nutrition) that he never said he was going to cover?
 
2013-07-28 02:47:36 PM  

mafiageek1980: . I live in Austin and NEVER go to Whole foods or Farmer's markets. I merely shop at either HEB or Fiesta, wash the fark out of the raw fruit, and cook my own shiat. It's not hard to do and it's cheap. There's no excuse for not eating healthy even if you are a broke motherfarker!


I've been a broke-ass college student for the past three years and I have definitely been eating healthier since I can't afford to eat restaurant food two or three times a day like some people do. It's fun to experiment with spices and combinations of things, and I know exactly what's in my food. Healthy eating for poor people does not have to mean beans and rice for every meal. Or those nasty chicken thighs, for that matter.

/HEB is teh awesome. Excellent quality stuff at cheap prices.
/The Fiesta in Austin on I-35 is unbelievably awesome. Wish they had one about two hours up the road.
 
2013-07-28 02:48:46 PM  

Bloody William: Just don't get fries and that burger's really not bad if you're in a pinch.


Also, toss the bun. Then it's really good.
 
2013-07-28 02:49:35 PM  

CheekyMonkey: evaluating food solely on the basis of cost-per-calorie is akin to Car & Driver putting a particular model on their "Ten Best" list just because it comes in a nifty shade of red.


If they had a column talking about "Ten cars we evaluate based on their color", then it's not surprising that that don't look at anything other than... color.

He never said it was nutritious. He never said it was a balanced meal (unless you hold one in each hand. har har). He just said it was a good deal in term of $ per calorie. Which is true.
 
2013-07-28 02:59:06 PM  
now when u say McDouble you mean beans and rice.  right?
 
2013-07-28 03:00:19 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Personally, I'd rather the burgers had soy filler than "pink slime".


"Pink Slime" (and, as an aside, that's a perfect example how people's perception is influenced by the name of something. See also the dangerous 'chemically' sounding term Di-Hydrogen Monoxide) is nothing more than small scraps of... beef. It's too labor-intensive to re-trim it off the fat, so they heat it up to soften the fat, then spin it to make the scraps of meat come out. A quick puff of ammonia compound to make sure bacteria don't grow on/in it, and... That's it. The big kerfuffle about "pink slime" was pretty much cause by 1) it's name (which admittedly sounds gross), 2) the fact ammonia is used (in perfectly safe amounts) in it's processing, and 3) the fact that people started all sorts of lies about it (ie: 'they grind up tendons' or 'they soak it in bleach', etc).

So, if you have a problem with "pink slime", you have a problem with... beef.
 
2013-07-28 03:03:48 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: etherknot: If everyone else is getting stuff I don't mind getting a single Mccheezburgr. It is for the value, probably the best thing on their menu.


I adore the two cheeseburger meal.  They took it off the menu for a while, but I found that I could still order it if I just asked for it.


FWIW, I like McDonald's. I pretty much only get the two cheeseburger meal. Pretty good deal.
 
2013-07-28 03:04:03 PM  

WordyGrrl: mafiageek1980: . I live in Austin and NEVER go to Whole foods or Farmer's markets. I merely shop at either HEB or Fiesta, wash the fark out of the raw fruit, and cook my own shiat. It's not hard to do and it's cheap. There's no excuse for not eating healthy even if you are a broke motherfarker!

I've been a broke-ass college student for the past three years and I have definitely been eating healthier since I can't afford to eat restaurant food two or three times a day like some people do. It's fun to experiment with spices and combinations of things, and I know exactly what's in my food. Healthy eating for poor people does not have to mean beans and rice for every meal. Or those nasty chicken thighs, for that matter.

/HEB is teh awesome. Excellent quality stuff at cheap prices.
/The Fiesta in Austin on I-35 is unbelievably awesome. Wish they had one about two hours up the road.


I've been going to Fiesta a lot less lately because of my work schedule, but if I ever need a spice/fruit that originates OUTSIDE the US, then Fiesta is it! And I am CONVINCED that someone from the state of Louisiana is involved in upper management of Fiesta because they have EVERY Louisiana-based food product EVER!

/might go to the newest HEB off muller once the hype and suburban moms have finished invading it.
//Yes, I have no life, but damnit, I love to cook!
///recovering fattie
 
2013-07-28 03:04:25 PM  
they should make a Walmart full of McDouble's and call it Heaven
and they'd cost 87 cents instead of $1.00
 
2013-07-28 03:11:47 PM  

fredklein: Exactly- his article sub-headline says it's going to be about calories, and his article is about... calories. What's the problem?? That he didn't cover something (fats, sodium, general nutrition) that he never said he was going to cover?


I've already explained it. Zulu's already explained it. If you keep having to go back to this point, all I can say is good luck with that.

Or, rather: Defend the movie reviewer's article. Explain to us why cost-per-calorie and the McDouble are good arguments for taking a whack at the organic foodie strawman.
 
2013-07-28 03:12:19 PM  

crazydave023: TheGogmagog: YoOjo: I grew up somewhere with no McDs so I never had their food as a child, first time I ever went in one was at age 15, I wanted to use the bathroom but I was on LSD and the whole experience was so plastic (even the lighting and air in there seemed plastic) that I left and have never returned.
So, I'm that guy, I've never eaten McD, but not because I'm a smug hipster, more because I'm odd.

I avoided eating at Burger King until I was 19 or so.  Just so I could say I never ate at Burger King.  I guess I was a smug hipster before there were hipsters.

Funny you mentioned that because I have never eaten Taco Bell just because there is good Mexican Food in my city and have never needed to go to Taco Bell. Now I just won't go so that I can say to people "I have never eaten Taco Bell in my life".


I've never eaten at a Taco Bell either. No need to. Mexican food is relatively cheap in a regular restaurant. Burgers, on the other hand, can be $12 in a regular restaurant, making it easier to go to McD's, Hardee's, BK, Wendy's or just cook on the grill.
 
2013-07-28 03:14:50 PM  

JK8Fan: crazydave023: TheGogmagog: YoOjo: I grew up somewhere with no McDs so I never had their food as a child, first time I ever went in one was at age 15, I wanted to use the bathroom but I was on LSD and the whole experience was so plastic (even the lighting and air in there seemed plastic) that I left and have never returned.
So, I'm that guy, I've never eaten McD, but not because I'm a smug hipster, more because I'm odd.

I avoided eating at Burger King until I was 19 or so.  Just so I could say I never ate at Burger King.  I guess I was a smug hipster before there were hipsters.

Funny you mentioned that because I have never eaten Taco Bell just because there is good Mexican Food in my city and have never needed to go to Taco Bell. Now I just won't go so that I can say to people "I have never eaten Taco Bell in my life".

I've never eaten at a Taco Bell either. No need to. Mexican food is relatively cheap in a regular restaurant. Burgers, on the other hand, can be $12 in a regular restaurant, making it easier to go to McD's, Hardee's, BK, Wendy's or just cook on the grill.


dude u HAVE to try the Nachos and Cheese
79 cents at taco bell
 
2013-07-28 03:15:36 PM  

secularsage: It's a much, MUCH more fulfilling experience to listen to the Freakonomics podcast this article is based off than to read the submitted blog post, which is a half-understood rehash of what Dubner is saying.


For Dubner (and his FARK Amen Corner) its yet another bad argument to bash The Liberals Only They Can See. For the rest of us, its a good summary of how to eat right on the cheap.

Good stuff, thanks for linking.
 
2013-07-28 03:18:36 PM  

fredklein: CheekyMonkey: evaluating food solely on the basis of cost-per-calorie is akin to Car & Driver putting a particular model on their "Ten Best" list just because it comes in a nifty shade of red.

If they had a column talking about "Ten cars we evaluate based on their color", then it's not surprising that that don't look at anything other than... color.

He never said it was nutritious. He never said it was a balanced meal (unless you hold one in each hand. har har). He just said it was a good deal in term of $ per calorie. Which is true.


Yes, I understand that.  As I said, it's a stupid way of evaluating food.
 
2013-07-28 03:33:15 PM  

CheekyMonkey: fredklein: CheekyMonkey: evaluating food solely on the basis of cost-per-calorie is akin to Car & Driver putting a particular model on their "Ten Best" list just because it comes in a nifty shade of red.

If they had a column talking about "Ten cars we evaluate based on their color", then it's not surprising that that don't look at anything other than... color.

He never said it was nutritious. He never said it was a balanced meal (unless you hold one in each hand. har har). He just said it was a good deal in term of $ per calorie. Which is true.

Yes, I understand that.  As I said, it's a stupid way of evaluating food.


As someone upthread stated, you'll die due to a lack of calories a lot faster than due to lack of proper nutrition, heart disease, or diabetes. Thus, calories are the most important part of food. Perhaps it's a little short-sighted, but what isn't these days?
 
2013-07-28 03:42:15 PM  

fredklein: As someone upthread stated, you'll die due to a lack of calories a lot faster than due to lack of proper nutrition, heart disease, or diabetes.


Again, how's that sugared Crisco diet working out for you? Any bleeding at the gums? Irritabilty? Difficulty in seeing? Brittle bones?
 
2013-07-28 03:52:04 PM  

theorellior: fredklein: As someone upthread stated, you'll die due to a lack of calories a lot faster than due to lack of proper nutrition, heart disease, or diabetes.

Again, how's that sugared Crisco diet working out for you? Any bleeding at the gums? Irritabilty? Difficulty in seeing? Brittle bones?


::sigh:: No one is claiming that calories are the ONLY thing to be concerned about. So take the strawman back, chop it up with some tofu, and serve it... to someone else.
 
2013-07-28 03:53:00 PM  

MrHappyRotter: McDonald's food is disgusting, it's little more than fillers, fat and salt.  When you eat that stuff, you're slowly killing yourself, it's not worth it.

That's why I go to Wendy's for their junior cheeseburger deluxe instead.


Then I highly recommend that you go to Wendys for the Junior Cheesburger and Micky D's for their fries (not disgusting).  Done it.  Shamefully, yet happily.

/ Have to be in the ER in 26 Minutes
 
2013-07-28 04:07:16 PM  

fredklein: ::sigh:: No one is claiming that calories are the ONLY thing to be concerned about. So take the strawman back, chop it up with some tofu, and serve it... to someone else.


No, you dumbass, that's the whole point of his argument. "Healthy" food is more expensive, so poor people should maximize calories. But a cheeseburger isn't the way to do that, as other people in the thread have demonstrated time and again. It's an argumentum ad absurdum which is defeated by a parallel argument of eating Crisco and sugar as the way to "minimize cost per calorie".

And tofu isn't anything anyone else has brought up here but you, which means you're getting in a dig at hippy-dippy granola types just because. Just like the dumbass article writer.
 
2013-07-28 04:08:26 PM  
Make it a ghetto big mac. Lose the ketchup add big mac sauce. They'll do it and it is delicious.
 
2013-07-28 04:12:34 PM  
Christ, my grandpa ate a pound of bacon each morning for breakfast, and a bowl of ice cream each night for dessert.

Of course he died during a heart operation.

At 94.
 
2013-07-28 04:19:20 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: If I eat at McDonald's, I will invariably be shiatting liquids later that day.

I'll pass. Thanks.


Must suck to be such a pussy. You can't eat the things that 50,000,000 people eat every day.
 
2013-07-28 04:35:30 PM  
Mickey D's   wi--fi, clean potty and cheap coffee.  When on the road, for less than $1 it is the cheapest office you can rent.

\\\ Angus mushroom burgers are also pretty good.
 
2013-07-28 04:35:48 PM  

Molavian: Christ, my grandpa ate a pound of bacon each morning for breakfast, and a bowl of ice cream each night for dessert.

Of course he died during a heart operation.

At 94.


farkin bastard could have lived to 194 and developed the cure for cancer at 151 PEOPLE DO THE DAMNDEST THINGS farkIN biatch
 
2013-07-28 04:37:43 PM  

crazydave023: TheGogmagog: YoOjo: I grew up somewhere with no McDs so I never had their food as a child, first time I ever went in one was at age 15, I wanted to use the bathroom but I was on LSD and the whole experience was so plastic (even the lighting and air in there seemed plastic) that I left and have never returned.
So, I'm that guy, I've never eaten McD, but not because I'm a smug hipster, more because I'm odd.

I avoided eating at Burger King until I was 19 or so.  Just so I could say I never ate at Burger King.  I guess I was a smug hipster before there were hipsters.

Funny you mentioned that because I have never eaten Taco Bell just because there is good Mexican Food in my city and have never needed to go to Taco Bell. Now I just won't go so that I can say to people "I have never eaten Taco Bell in my life".


I've never gone to Taco Bell because I wanted good Mexican food. I can go to a sit down restaurant or make it at home for that. Taco Bell is where you can spend $5 and fill yourself with refried beans and Dr. Pepper and you can get it in the drive through in under 5 mins.
 
2013-07-28 04:44:27 PM  

fredklein: Get over it.


Oh, well, if you say so.
 
2013-07-28 04:51:18 PM  
The article has a few good points but a lot of troll.

Reality Check:

Article fails to mention the amount of fat and sugar in a double cheez-burglar. This is the real downside: low-grade carbs and lots of fat, especially the wrong sort of fat, and salt. Sure, there's about half a day's worth of protein in one. But it comes with about two or three times a day's worth of shiat.

If the burger has 7% of your daily fiber, where does the other 93% come from? I recommend kale.

Yes, we do cut back on meals when we know we are going to have a big calorie-heavy pig-out the same day, but we are cutting back on good food for bad, aren't we? Well, unless we eat nothing but bad food, that is. But where's the gain in swapping home-style junk food for restaurant-style junk food?

He's right about farmer's markets. The trendyites would love to drive us to them. Except that none of us have a car and the nearest farmer's market is too far to walk. And the upper middle classes won't really drive us to the farmer's market. We have to get there ourselves some how. How is not explained. Public transport? Maybe. If we could afford adding $6 to a grocery run. Bikes? Another luxury for many, especially the elderly shut-ins.

In the real world, many of the nutritionally deprived live in what are call "food deserts". They have no choice but to shop there as well, because the tony upscale food stores are in the tony upscale neighborhoods with the people who make a bundle advertising, marketing, subsidizing, etc., for corporations and goverments and universities.

McDonald's places its urban restaurants so you don't have to walk more than 10 minutes. There are three of them near me--guess how long it takes me to walk to one? Less than ten minutes for all three. There's another about 10 minutes on the other side of my workplace. WE HAVE MARKET SATURATION. I've seen maps which show the placement of restaurants and WalMarts and such, and in the continental US or Southern Canada, you can not escape them. WalMarts are beginning to move downtown with smaller stores, following the Boomers and their elders to the walkable and service-packed city neighborhoods (aka the Gold Coast and Hippie Heaven). Recently Sobey's, a large Canadian grocery chain bought Shoppers DrugMart, a pharmacy chain with a large food section and lots of urban locations. They know where the money is going: downtown, that's where the action is. I do a lot of my basic junk food and fast meals shopping in stores that are closer than the nearest grocery store, let alone the farmer's market.

Also, the farmers markets are full of non-local produce that is precisely the same as the stuff sold in regular stores. We do not grow bananas locally in Ottawa. In fact, most of our strawberries are marked "Grown in the USA" or even Mexico. It may be nice to wander the crowded aisles between the stalls and pretend it is 1587, but in reality you aren't getting many bargains or much local, organic, safe, clean, healthy food either. You are getting a shopping destination experience for those who can afford to pay and to load up the SUV.

In short, can't be done unless you shift the entire economy from insane-mode to health-mode.

The poor eat what I call  the Seven White Deaths because they lack 1) money; 2) capital (such as well-equipped kitchens); 3) capital (such as well equipped brains and libraries of cookbooks and stuff) and 4) capital (such as the power to change things to suit themselves).

The problem is capital. Especially the Capitol in Washington, DC. The White House can afford to preach a healthy upper middle class Dr. Huxtabile and Mrs. Dr. Huxtable lifestyle because they haven't really much say in what you poor farkers eat.

Neither side is realistic. Neither side is truthful. Neither side cares for anybody but their own well-padded asses, wallets and lifestyles. But, of course, the conservative crap-mongers are worse than the liberal crap-talkers. A hippie is not going to kill you unless he's on a bicycle or she's driving a 40-year-old Volkswagen.

Caveat emptor.

The only real way to fix the system is to rebuild it from the ground up.

Start with the oil wells, gas wells, and coal mines. You need to be able to walk to good food. You need food that is not half oil and half pesticides, fungides, herbicides, antibiotics and other things that are made from oil or natural gas. You need to make sure corporations and other users and absuers pay the US government what YOUR federal and state land is worth and what the water is worth--these are two big hidden costs (speaking of externalities).

Good food should be subsidized, not corporations. The small producer is usually the most efficient, cheapest and most concerned and honest producer. They are involved with farming for the love of farming and with customers they know rather than faceless corporation machines.

The liberals and radicals are mostly right about the evils of the big Industrial-Media-Government complex but not necessarily pragmatic and the conservatives are good at conserving--their pocketbooks and purses.
 
2013-07-28 05:02:53 PM  

secularsage: The point of the story is that cheap food is almost always dismissed as being bad for you, while expensive food is almost always embraced as being better for you.


[by whom?]
 
2013-07-28 05:06:26 PM  

Molavian: Christ, my grandpa ate a pound of bacon each morning for breakfast, and a bowl of ice cream each night for dessert.


I'm guessing he didn't have a career that involved sitting inert at a desk for 10 hours per day?
 
2013-07-28 05:18:30 PM  

p51d007: I prefer these when in a hurry.

[www.sogoodblog.com image 300x300]


You sound fat, or you don't like tasting your food.   That's burger is huge - how can you down that in 5 minutes or less. Don't tell me... i'm sure it's disgusting no matter how you explain it.
 
2013-07-28 05:55:34 PM  
I just rode my bike 28 miles (round trip) to go to the McDonalds nearest my house (really! talk about a food desert - 14 miles to the closest McD's). so I am really getting a kick out of these replies.

/didn't really go there as a destination, just a quick place to stop and get a few hundred calories for cheap halfway through my ride
//have to be at the gym in 26 minutes
///amidoinitrite?
 
2013-07-28 06:08:58 PM  

fredklein: CheekyMonkey: fredklein: CheekyMonkey: evaluating food solely on the basis of cost-per-calorie is akin to Car & Driver putting a particular model on their "Ten Best" list just because it comes in a nifty shade of red.

If they had a column talking about "Ten cars we evaluate based on their color", then it's not surprising that that don't look at anything other than... color.

He never said it was nutritious. He never said it was a balanced meal (unless you hold one in each hand. har har). He just said it was a good deal in term of $ per calorie. Which is true.

Yes, I understand that.  As I said, it's a stupid way of evaluating food.

As someone upthread stated, you'll die due to a lack of calories a lot faster than due to lack of proper nutrition, heart disease, or diabetes. Thus, calories are the most important part of food. Perhaps it's a little short-sighted, but what isn't these days?


Hmm.  Find me someone in the Daily News readership who's in danger of dying due to lack of calories (and isn't anorexic or bulimic).  We all understand your and the author of TFA's point, it just isn't relevant, if one isn't living in the Third World.

\pretty sure no one in the Third World is reading the Daily News
\\doubly sure that no one in the Third World has access to, or can afford, McDonalds food
 
2013-07-28 06:14:25 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Tommy Moo: There's a whole lot of people in this thread just waving their hands and getting angry and calling the author a troll because they have this vague feeling that he MUST be wrong, but they can't come up with a single reason why.

1. He uses calorie count as a sufficient indicator of nutritional value.  It is not.


It is exactly the definition of nutritional value if you're hungry, you know, like poor people. What a First World Problem attitude to smugly imagine that just because we live in a country with a lot of fat people that somehow having access to cheap food with lots of calories isn't good for health on a global scale.
 
2013-07-28 06:32:45 PM  

theorellior: But a cheeseburger isn't the way to do that, as other people in the thread have demonstrated time and again. It's an argumentum ad absurdum...


I must have missed the part where he advocates eating nothing but McDoubles.
 
2013-07-28 06:34:32 PM  

CheekyMonkey: We all understand your and the author of TFA's point


Okay then.
 
2013-07-28 06:45:10 PM  

fredklein: Dwight_Yeast: Personally, I'd rather the burgers had soy filler than "pink slime".

"Pink Slime" (and, as an aside, that's a perfect example how people's perception is influenced by the name of something. See also the dangerous 'chemically' sounding term Di-Hydrogen Monoxide) is nothing more than small scraps of... beef. It's too labor-intensive to re-trim it off the fat, so they heat it up to soften the fat, then spin it to make the scraps of meat come out. A quick puff of ammonia compound to make sure bacteria don't grow on/in it, and... That's it. The big kerfuffle about "pink slime" was pretty much cause by 1) it's name (which admittedly sounds gross), 2) the fact ammonia is used (in perfectly safe amounts) in it's processing, and 3) the fact that people started all sorts of lies about it (ie: 'they grind up tendons' or 'they soak it in bleach', etc).

So, if you have a problem with "pink slime", you have a problem with... beef.


Are you a shill or just disingenuous ?  The amonia is to kill the e colli likely present in the meat.  "Pink slime" is meat that the great meat processors of the 19th and 20th centuries, the ones who used all of the pig but the squeal, wouldn't have touched.  It's the last little bit stuck to the scraps of scraps.  The only reason for spending the time and effort to reclaim it and render it (relatively) safe is that it lets todays meat processors and fast food outlets make just a little bit more profit per pound.

All those recalls for e colli in frozen hamburger patties in the last couple of years?  They're due to the use of "pink slime".

Normal, grade-A beef of the sort that we've eaten for thousands of years is perfectly safe.  This is a food product made from waste, and it is inherantly unsafe, which is why people got pissed off when they found out they were being fed it without their knowledge.
 
2013-07-28 06:57:11 PM  

CheekyMonkey: fredklein: CheekyMonkey: fredklein: CheekyMonkey: evaluating food solely on the basis of cost-per-calorie is akin to Car & Driver putting a particular model on their "Ten Best" list just because it comes in a nifty shade of red.

If they had a column talking about "Ten cars we evaluate based on their color", then it's not surprising that that don't look at anything other than... color.

He never said it was nutritious. He never said it was a balanced meal (unless you hold one in each hand. har har). He just said it was a good deal in term of $ per calorie. Which is true.

Yes, I understand that.  As I said, it's a stupid way of evaluating food.

As someone upthread stated, you'll die due to a lack of calories a lot faster than due to lack of proper nutrition, heart disease, or diabetes. Thus, calories are the most important part of food. Perhaps it's a little short-sighted, but what isn't these days?

Hmm.  Find me someone in the Daily News readership who's in danger of dying due to lack of calories (and isn't anorexic or bulimic).  We all understand your and the author of TFA's point, it just isn't relevant, if one isn't living in the Third World.

\pretty sure no one in the Third World is reading the Daily News
\\doubly sure that no one in the Third World has access to, or can afford, McDonalds food


I'm not sure what you are saying, Is it that people who don't read the Daily News should never be mentioned in the paper?
 
2013-07-28 07:00:06 PM  

Tommy Moo: 1. He uses calorie count as a sufficient indicator of nutritional value.  It is not.

It is exactly the definition of nutritional value if you're hungry, you know, like poor people. What a First World Problem attitude to smugly imagine that just because we live in a country with a lot of fat people that somehow having access to cheap food with lots of calories isn't good for health on a global scale.


You're using calorie count as a sufficient indicator of nutritional value.  It is not.
 
2013-07-28 07:01:35 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: All those recalls for e colli in frozen hamburger patties in the last couple of years?  They're due to the use of "pink slime".


But... you just said... they ammoniate that product in order to kill the "e colli"...
 
2013-07-28 07:10:33 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: JK8Fan: crazydave023: TheGogmagog: YoOjo: I grew up somewhere with no McDs so I never had their food as a child, first time I ever went in one was at age 15, I wanted to use the bathroom but I was on LSD and the whole experience was so plastic (even the lighting and air in there seemed plastic) that I left and have never returned.
So, I'm that guy, I've never eaten McD, but not because I'm a smug hipster, more because I'm odd.

I avoided eating at Burger King until I was 19 or so.  Just so I could say I never ate at Burger King.  I guess I was a smug hipster before there were hipsters.

Funny you mentioned that because I have never eaten Taco Bell just because there is good Mexican Food in my city and have never needed to go to Taco Bell. Now I just won't go so that I can say to people "I have never eaten Taco Bell in my life".

I've never eaten at a Taco Bell either. No need to. Mexican food is relatively cheap in a regular restaurant. Burgers, on the other hand, can be $12 in a regular restaurant, making it easier to go to McD's, Hardee's, BK, Wendy's or just cook on the grill.

dude u HAVE to try the Nachos and Cheese
79 cents at taco bell


Or get unlimited chips at a mexican restaurant and "splurge" a little for a 2 or 3 dollar bowl of cheese dip.
 
2013-07-28 07:12:57 PM  

buds: MrHappyRotter: McDonald's food is disgusting, it's little more than fillers, fat and salt.  When you eat that stuff, you're slowly killing yourself, it's not worth it.

That's why I go to Wendy's for their junior cheeseburger deluxe instead.

Then I highly recommend that you go to Wendys for the Junior Cheesburger and Micky D's for their fries (not disgusting).  Done it.  Shamefully, yet happily.

/ Have to be in the ER in 26 Minutes


Beer and fries
Go straight to my thighs.
Which is why
I don't eat fries.
Because they rhyme with thighs.
And I'd never give up beer.
 
2013-07-28 07:32:24 PM  
Lol. This is the same misleading tactic everyone with an agenda uses.  Compare the cheapest junk food you can find with the most expensive organic artisan seasonal produce. Conservative logic at it's finest.  A lot of conservatives in fark food threads do this too.

I'm a 190lb physically active guy and I eat mostly vegetarian for a total monthly grocery/food bill of about $220, which includes snacks, sodas at work, and lots of spices herbs for preparing meals.   It would be a lot less if I didn't love dark chocolate, curry and turmeric (expensive), thyme, etc. Sorry but that $36/day figure is too insanely stupid for any credibility.

And If all you care about is raw calories, then rice and pinto beans, are more calorie dense per dollar than McDs, without all the bad for you shiat.  They also make a damn fine burrito.  But he chose to ignore those because it doesn't fit the agenda.

Also look into nuts and seeds, if your goal is simply cheapo calorie dense foods that you can munch on the run, and requires no cooking or preparation time.   Peanuts, sunflower seeds, etc.  Fatty, but polyunsaturated healthy fats, no clogged arteries at age 40.
 
2013-07-28 07:41:50 PM  

spidermilk: AverageAmericanGuy: If I eat at McDonald's, I will invariably be shiatting liquids later that day.

I'll pass. Thanks.

I don't like McDonalds, and because I like to eat healthy food and cook I don't eat a lot of fast food. That said, I am always wondering if something is terribly wrong with these people who get so incredibly sick after eating fast food. I can eat a cheeseburger and fries and have no ill consequences. Are you allergic to something they are using? Lactose intolerant? Is that really normal?


They remind me of that Ron White joke about his vegetarian relative who can't handle beef broth.

"Really!? Your system is kicking back BROTH?"
 
2013-07-28 07:42:25 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: fredklein: Dwight_Yeast: Personally, I'd rather the burgers had soy filler than "pink slime".

"Pink Slime" (and, as an aside, that's a perfect example how people's perception is influenced by the name of something. See also the dangerous 'chemically' sounding term Di-Hydrogen Monoxide) is nothing more than small scraps of... beef. It's too labor-intensive to re-trim it off the fat, so they heat it up to soften the fat, then spin it to make the scraps of meat come out. A quick puff of ammonia compound to make sure bacteria don't grow on/in it, and... That's it. The big kerfuffle about "pink slime" was pretty much cause by 1) it's name (which admittedly sounds gross), 2) the fact ammonia is used (in perfectly safe amounts) in it's processing, and 3) the fact that people started all sorts of lies about it (ie: 'they grind up tendons' or 'they soak it in bleach', etc).

So, if you have a problem with "pink slime", you have a problem with... beef.

Are you a shill or just disingenuous ?  The amonia is to kill the e colli likely present in the meat.


Yeah, so? E-coli can be present on any beef. With a cut of beef, it can be rinsed/washed off. With ground beef, it cannot be.

"Pink slime" is meat that the great meat processors of the 19th and 20th centuries, the ones who used all of the pig but the squeal, wouldn't have touched.


Um, no. It's just meat that's not very easy to get to. It's too labor-intensive to manually get it.

It's the last little bit stuck to the scraps of scrapsfat.

FTFY

The only reason for spending the time and effort to reclaim it and render it (relatively) safe is that it lets todays meat processors and fast food outlets make just a little bit more profit per pound.

Some might say it's so they waste less. Are you against less waste?

http://www.beefisbeef.com/faq-3/
Is it really necessary to try to get every small bit of beef from a carcass?

Necessary? No. Is it the right thing to do? Absolutely!

LFTB production makes it possible to have more of the leaner ground beef blends consumers desire at affordable prices. If LFTB were not produced, 850,000,000 lbs of lean beef a year would need to be generated from some other source to meet consumer demand. It would be like throwing away 5,700 cattle a day.


All those recalls for e colli in frozen hamburger patties in the last couple of years?  They're due to the use of "pink slime".


ANY ground meat product has the same problem.

Normal, grade-A beef of the sort that we've eaten for thousands of years is perfectly safe

...and that's all "pink slime" is- slivers of beef.

.This is a food product made from waste,

From previously wasted bits of beef, yes.

and it is inherantly unsafe

Nope.

, which is why people got pissed off when they found out they were being fed it without their knowledge.

No, people got pissed because they heard the term "pink slime", and their brains shut down.
 
2013-07-28 08:26:47 PM  

TheGogmagog: I guess I was a smug hipster before there were hipsters.


Yeah, hipsters pre-date Burger King....
 
2013-07-28 08:40:39 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Was the author raised as a ragging douchebag or did society make him that way?


I grew up with the author.  I went to junior and senior high school with him.  I never saw this side of him.  I'm still in touch and actually went to a baseball game with him at Fenway when we both lived in NYC at the same time in 2007.  We argued politics all the way back from Boston.  Kyle morphed into a conservative troglodyte sometime after he left the Army.  He's the smartest ignorant person I know.  He went to Yae and came out as a Conservative turd politically.  I'd still like to go see a ballgame with him again.  Note:  We saw a lot of movies together but I don't think we went to McDonald's much as kids.  He's got a great sense of dry humor.
 
2013-07-28 08:47:28 PM  

FunkOut: He seems really riled up by organic food or vegetables. I blame his ex-girlfriend with the dreadlocks and Japanese eggplant fetish.


He hates ANYTHING liberal.  I read his column regularly (most are film reviews, all are political).
 
2013-07-28 09:16:31 PM  
Riiiiight. $20-30 for a week's worth of fresh veg from the farmer's market (which runs 3 times a week) and about $50-60 for small-bulk meat & commodities, for two people.

Wisconsin might be an absolute rancid shiathole when it comes to politicking and employment, but organic-food-wise you can live like a king for peanuts and pocket-lint.
Meanwhile, you get breakfast & dinner and McD's two days running and are halfway through the weekly budget already. This guy's a crock of shiat.
 
2013-07-28 09:33:34 PM  
I like the McDouble. It is about the only thing on their menu I can eat since I'm eating low carb. I get 2 of them and a coffee and throw the buns away as with as much of the ketchup as I can off it. Very yummy when you just have to eat there.
 
2013-07-28 09:42:11 PM  

fredklein: http://www.beefisbeef.com/faq-3/
Is it really necessary to try to get every small bit of beef from a carcass?


Ah, so I'll just mark you down as "shill".

fredklein: and it is inherantly unsafe

Nope.


Then explain all the frozen "beef" patty recalls due to e colli in the last couple of years.
 
2013-07-28 09:53:41 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: fredklein: http://www.beefisbeef.com/faq-3/
Is it really necessary to try to get every small bit of beef from a carcass?

Ah, so I'll just mark you down as "shill".


I really don't care what you mark me as. Facts are facts.

fredklein: and it is inherantly unsafe

Nope.

Then explain all the frozen "beef" patty recalls due to e colli in the last couple of years.


Poor quality control. (Sh)It happens. Now, if those patties were made of 100% "pink slime", then those recalls would not have happened. As has been pointed out, they use ammonia gas to kill the bacteria in "pink slime". Maybe they need to use it in 'regular' ground beef, too.

in·her·ent (n-hîrnt, -hr-)
adj.
Existing as an essential constituent or characteristic; intrinsic.


If 'unsafe-ness' was inherent in ground beef, there wouldn't be any safe ground beef.

Oh, and it's "E Coli", not "e colli". If you can't even get the (nick)name of it right, why should anyone listen to your opinions about it?
 
2013-07-28 10:42:51 PM  

pxlboy: spidermilk: AverageAmericanGuy: If I eat at McDonald's, I will invariably be shiatting liquids later that day.

I'll pass. Thanks.

I don't like McDonalds, and because I like to eat healthy food and cook I don't eat a lot of fast food. That said, I am always wondering if something is terribly wrong with these people who get so incredibly sick after eating fast food. I can eat a cheeseburger and fries and have no ill consequences. Are you allergic to something they are using? Lactose intolerant? Is that really normal?

I've wondered the same thing.


It doesn't really happen. It is the meme of fast foods. It makes them sound cool and edgy. It happens in every fast food thread.

/said it too many times, didn't I?
 
2013-07-28 10:46:55 PM  
In the 60s and early 70s, there was a big crisis in the food industry when the medical community revealed that most cereals did not provide as much nutrition as the cardboard box they came in. Most meals were consisted of boiled potatoes and vegetables and over cooked meat so that any nutrition was cooked out of them. The big push back then was to provide nutritious meals. People were skinny in the 60s and 70s and it was the rare individual who was over weight and that was only by 20 or 30 lbs!

We've come 180 degree now and have meals that provide an abundance of nutrition so much so that we have to add meals that are low calorie to the menus and artificial sweeteners to drinks to lower the calories. Unfortunately, those that we considered fat in the 60s and 70s are now "normal" weight and fat people today are obese at 50 to 100 lbs over weight.
 
2013-07-28 11:07:24 PM  
McDonald's tip:

Order the McDouble without the fake dehydrated onions.  Tell them to replace the dehydrated onions with sliced red onions.

Makes a big difference.
 
2013-07-28 11:32:27 PM  

Principal Clarinet: McDonald's tip:

Order the McDouble without the fake dehydrated onions.  Tell them to replace the dehydrated onions with sliced red onions.

Makes a big difference.


Or it results in a very convoluted order consisting of a patty and a slice of pickle with lots of ketchup.

Some workers can't understand English, and they were born and raised to understand it.
 
2013-07-28 11:37:14 PM  

cwolf20: Nogale: FuturePastNow: The McDouble is shiatty. Spend an extra 40 cents and get the double cheeseburger.

What's the difference?

Double patties with a standard amount of cheese, vs a single patty with double the cheese


Actually the McDouble also has 2 patties. But it has only 1 slice of cheese while the double cheeseburger has 2.
 
2013-07-28 11:56:39 PM  

blanchae: We've come 180 degree now and have meals that provide an abundance of nutrition so much so that we have to add meals that are low calorie to the menus and artificial sweeteners to drinks to lower the calories. Unfortunately, those that we considered fat in the 60s and 70s are now "normal" weight and fat people today are obese at 50 to 100 lbs over weight.


I guess I shouldn't feel so bad that I still often think of nutrition in terms of "the four food groups", even though I know the model I learned in grade school is outdated based on current dietary science.

Apparently, there's a whole generation that was taught there is only one food group, called "calories", and is incapable of understanding the many flaws with this model.
 
2013-07-29 12:17:49 AM  

Zombalupagus: cwolf20: Nogale: FuturePastNow: The McDouble is shiatty. Spend an extra 40 cents and get the double cheeseburger.

What's the difference?

Double patties with a standard amount of cheese, vs a single patty with double the cheese

Actually the McDouble also has 2 patties. But it has only 1 slice of cheese while the double cheeseburger has 2.


Well, you said it better than the exact same thing I typed
 
2013-07-29 12:19:59 AM  

Zombalupagus: cwolf20: Nogale: FuturePastNow: The McDouble is shiatty. Spend an extra 40 cents and get the double cheeseburger.

What's the difference?

Double patties with a standard amount of cheese, vs a single patty with double the cheese

Actually the McDouble also has 2 patties. But it has only 1 slice of cheese while the double cheeseburger has 2.


or am I misreading it and there are 2 patties.  Things have changed.  A triple and double cheese were single patty at one point, so I vaguely remember while working at one several years ago and contemplating playing bongos on peoples' heads with hot grease dripping spatulas. Their screams would have been music.
 
2013-07-29 12:23:18 AM  

cwolf20: Principal Clarinet: McDonald's tip:

Order the McDouble without the fake dehydrated onions.  Tell them to replace the dehydrated onions with sliced red onions.

Makes a big difference.

Or it results in a very convoluted order consisting of a patty and a slice of pickle with lots of ketchup.

Some workers can't understand English, and they were born and raised to understand it.



If they get it wrong, return it until they get it right.  100% of the time they'll get it right the second time around.
 
2013-07-29 12:42:22 AM  

cwolf20: Zombalupagus: cwolf20: Nogale: FuturePastNow: The McDouble is shiatty. Spend an extra 40 cents and get the double cheeseburger.

What's the difference?

Double patties with a standard amount of cheese, vs a single patty with double the cheese

Actually the McDouble also has 2 patties. But it has only 1 slice of cheese while the double cheeseburger has 2.

or am I misreading it and there are 2 patties.  Things have changed.  A triple and double cheese were single patty at one point, so I vaguely remember while working at one several years ago and contemplating playing bongos on peoples' heads with hot grease dripping spatulas. Their screams would have been music.


The Double Cheeseburger is simply a McDouble that has two slices of cheese instead of one. So you pay an extra 30 cents for a slice of cheese.

(who's on first?)
 
2013-07-29 12:58:08 AM  
Benjamin Stone: The Double Cheeseburger is simply a McDouble that has two slices of cheese instead of one. So you pay an extra 30 cents for a slice of cheese.
(who's on first?)


My brain on decongestants and the last time I noticed a double cheese or triple cheese was when I worked in 95 or 96.  And it was usually wrapped, and after seeing the feeding trough mobs when triple cheese came out, I never ate them.  McDouble is the first time eating one. So naturally I would be insane and think they were different some other way.
 
2013-07-29 12:58:49 AM  
When I worked AT MCDONALDS in 95 or 96.  clarification is odd today
 
2013-07-29 01:03:23 AM  
Or was it 97 98... it all ran together and the supervisor told me after I quit that she was surprised it took me that long.  The job required sarcastic biatches and assholes, and I wasn't either one.  Her words.
 
2013-07-29 01:09:23 AM  
It's more effective without fark changing the word
 
2013-07-29 03:30:09 AM  
Next article from this guy: discarded appliance boxes provide the best cost-per-square-footage housing deal you'll get anywhere.
 
2013-07-29 08:06:33 AM  

cwolf20: Or get unlimited chips at a mexican restaurant and "splurge" a little for a 2 or 3 dollar bowl of cheese dip.


THEY DON'T HAVE THAT.  THEY ONLY HAVE SALSA
 
2013-07-29 08:17:27 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: cwolf20: Or get unlimited chips at a mexican restaurant and "splurge" a little for a 2 or 3 dollar bowl of cheese dip.

THEY DON'T HAVE THAT.  THEY ONLY HAVE SALSA


Really? So I can't order cheese dip from all the mexican restaurants in my city that I order cheese dip from. Man, who knew
 
2013-07-29 08:59:00 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: If I eat at McDonald's, I will invariably be shiatting liquids later that day.

I'll pass. Thanks.


You should see a doctor about that.  That's not normal.
 
2013-07-29 09:15:37 AM  

cwolf20: Jon iz teh kewl: cwolf20: Or get unlimited chips at a mexican restaurant and "splurge" a little for a 2 or 3 dollar bowl of cheese dip.

THEY DON'T HAVE THAT.  THEY ONLY HAVE SALSA

Really? So I can't order cheese dip from all the mexican restaurants in my city that I order cheese dip from. Man, who knew


well it's not on the menu so i know not to ask for it
cause if i do it's probably coated with semen
like what happens when i send my beef enchritos back cause they're too rare (touch of pink)
 
2013-07-29 09:22:07 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: cwolf20: Jon iz teh kewl: cwolf20: Or get unlimited chips at a mexican restaurant and "splurge" a little for a 2 or 3 dollar bowl of cheese dip.

THEY DON'T HAVE THAT.  THEY ONLY HAVE SALSA

Really? So I can't order cheese dip from all the mexican restaurants in my city that I order cheese dip from. Man, who knew

well it's not on the menu so i know not to ask for it
cause if i do it's probably coated with semen
like what happens when i send my beef enchritos back cause they're too rare (touch of pink)


Q:  When is a beef taco not a beef taco
A:  When it's a bearded taco...
 
2013-07-29 09:47:39 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: cwolf20: Jon iz teh kewl: cwolf20: Or get unlimited chips at a mexican restaurant and "splurge" a little for a 2 or 3 dollar bowl of cheese dip.

THEY DON'T HAVE THAT.  THEY ONLY HAVE SALSA

Really? So I can't order cheese dip from all the mexican restaurants in my city that I order cheese dip from. Man, who knew

well it's not on the menu so i know not to ask for it
cause if i do it's probably coated with semen
like what happens when i send my beef enchritos back cause they're too rare (touch of pink)


What kind of backwards...  The reason why I know the prices besides buying it is because the menus list it.
 
2013-07-29 11:31:47 AM  
McDouble?

I'd hit it.

/cantfindtheoriginalthreadrightnow
 
2013-07-29 11:39:22 AM  
 
2013-07-29 11:46:29 AM  

ZzeusS: Is this one of those articles where the college kid types in lots of words but doesn't really have a point, or make a whole lot of sense?

Yes.  Yes it is.


My instructor told us to put a big sign up above where you are writing t hat says "This is about _________". When you "get lost" like this guy, you can focus yourself by looking at the sign. If you're not writing about "______" then stop; and start focusing on "_______".

/not a writer
 
2013-07-29 11:48:54 AM  

poot_rootbeer: Molavian: Christ, my grandpa ate a pound of bacon each morning for breakfast, and a bowl of ice cream each night for dessert.

I'm guessing he didn't have a career that involved sitting inert at a desk for 10 hours per day?


He was a hospital administrator.  He held several patents for laundry machine improvements, and once broke a union strike by bending a crowbar with his bare hands.  Later in life he began importing goods from China.

He was an interesting guy.
 
2013-07-29 01:36:17 PM  

PreMortem: But it tastes like shiat.


Yeah but do do bean sprouts, so it's a moot point.
 
2013-07-29 02:13:36 PM  

pxlboy: Relatively Obscure: Zulu_as_Kono: Relatively Obscure: Zulu_as_Kono: McDonalds doesn't sell food, it sells "food".

Like "beef" that comes from "cows" and "cheese" that comes from "milk."  The horror.

You think that the "beef" patties that McD's uses is just ground up cow meat? That's adorable.

What's in it that's so horrible, do you think?

There's very little actual beef in their burgers.


Sigh.  Look, NOBODY loves the fast food mega-corps, but McDonalds uses actual ground beef. No fillers, just beef.  The meat is cheap because they BUY more of it than anyone else.
 
2013-07-29 07:40:27 PM  

jvowles: Look, NOBODY loves the fast food mega-corps, but McDonalds uses actual ground beef. No fillers, just beef.  The meat is cheap because they BUY more of it than anyone else.


It is beef, but it's not GOOD beef.

I prefer my burgers pink in the center and browned on the edges, not the uniform mottled gray of McDonalds' patties.

/and yet I still take myself to McD's once every month or two.
 
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