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2013-07-28 01:09:12 PM

p51d007: I prefer these when in a hurry.


I just came back from a family vacation to the Outer Banks and got to re-experience Hardee's. I nearly had a heart attack just looking at the breakfast menu.

Their lunch menu, on the other hand, isn't that bad. I really should've tried the turkey burger.
 
2013-07-28 01:10:59 PM

Relatively Obscure: I don't find them bad, I just find them very, very meh.


Don't forget the feces!
 
2013-07-28 01:15:32 PM

trappedspirit: In before anyone announces that they have a digestive system so weak and dysfunctional that a McDonalds burger causes them to excrete like a gusher


AverageAmericanGuy: If I eat at McDonald's, I will invariably be shiatting liquids later that day.

I'll pass. Thanks.


American Average Guy beat you to it.
 
2013-07-28 01:17:05 PM

TheGogmagog: YoOjo: I grew up somewhere with no McDs so I never had their food as a child, first time I ever went in one was at age 15, I wanted to use the bathroom but I was on LSD and the whole experience was so plastic (even the lighting and air in there seemed plastic) that I left and have never returned.
So, I'm that guy, I've never eaten McD, but not because I'm a smug hipster, more because I'm odd.

I avoided eating at Burger King until I was 19 or so.  Just so I could say I never ate at Burger King.  I guess I was a smug hipster before there were hipsters.


Funny you mentioned that because I have never eaten Taco Bell just because there is good Mexican Food in my city and have never needed to go to Taco Bell. Now I just won't go so that I can say to people "I have never eaten Taco Bell in my life".
 
2013-07-28 01:17:11 PM

Zulu_as_Kono: Relatively Obscure: I don't find them bad, I just find them very, very meh.

Don't forget the feces!


Heh.  I'm kinda done looking, but I don't know if fecal contamination in McD's beef is in any way greater than that which would be found in most restaurants (or how that compares to, say, your average grocery store ground beef).  But, meh.  Thar be poops everywhere.
 
2013-07-28 01:23:26 PM
Wow, it has a great calorie to price ratio. Therefore it must be a nutritious super-food.
 
2013-07-28 01:30:45 PM

Relatively Obscure: Zulu_as_Kono: Relatively Obscure: What's in it that's so horrible, do you think?

Various soy and vegetable filler, added sodium, "natural" and artificial flavors. That sort of stuff. Until recently (and maybe still) "pink slime".

Oh, and cattle feces. Definitely cattle feces.

Snopes link above, again, says there is no filler, no flavors and the only sodium added is the salt they put on it to season.

You are right about them having used pink slime, though.


They got caught out about the filler a decade ago, which was the point at which "pink slime" was invented so that the product could be labeled "100% beef" (which it is) without actually having to buy expensive meat.
 
2013-07-28 01:31:55 PM

Relatively Obscure: Heh.  I'm kinda done looking, but I don't know if fecal contamination in McD's beef is in any way greater than that which would be found in most restaurants (or how that compares to, say, your average grocery store ground beef).  But, meh.  Thar be poops everywhere.


Well, my point was more about fast food ground beef in general, since they tend to buy from suppliers that are always focused on low-cost and speed of processing, so I'm pretty sure it would be higher among fast food burgers than most ground beef bought at a supermarket.

I'm pretty luck to have a regular supermarket where they grind all their beef in-store, which vastly reduces the likelihood of contamination. But I don't worry about it too much. Since I changed the way I eat I only have 1-2 servings of beef/week, so I usually go ahead and have steak.
 
2013-07-28 01:32:57 PM

Dwight_Yeast: They got caught out about the filler a decade ago,


I'm at work (yay).  Could you point me to more about this, if you get a chance?
 
2013-07-28 01:33:50 PM

Zulu_as_Kono: Relatively Obscure: Heh.  I'm kinda done looking, but I don't know if fecal contamination in McD's beef is in any way greater than that which would be found in most restaurants (or how that compares to, say, your average grocery store ground beef).  But, meh.  Thar be poops everywhere.

Well, my point was more about fast food ground beef in general, since they tend to buy from suppliers that are always focused on low-cost and speed of processing, so I'm pretty sure it would be higher among fast food burgers than most ground beef bought at a supermarket.

I'm pretty luck to have a regular supermarket where they grind all their beef in-store, which vastly reduces the likelihood of contamination. But I don't worry about it too much. Since I changed the way I eat I only have 1-2 servings of beef/week, so I usually go ahead and have steak.


Fair enough.  Certainly can't blame someone for opting for steak.
 
2013-07-28 01:39:04 PM
In terms of cost-per-calorie, gasoline is about 20 times cheaper than a McDouble.

Drink up!
 
2013-07-28 01:48:36 PM

fredklein: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Dude never mentioned sodium or fat even once.

He never mentioned ferrets or popular cartoon villains, either. That's because he's only talking about calories. As it says in the article's sub-headline: "In terms of cost-per-calorie, no locavore, organic veggie can compete with the McDouble".


Thank you for highlighting the worthlessness of the article.

\evaluating food solely on the basis of cost-per-calorie is akin to Car & Driver putting a particular model on their "Ten Best" list just because it comes in a nifty shade of red.
 
2013-07-28 01:50:02 PM
Look, I am trying really hard to read the article without thinking that it's nothing more than just a rant against hipsters, but, it's impossible.

Hell, how hard is it to shop for food that is GOOD for you without emptying your wallet? I'm a fish-eating vegetarian that's married to a vegan. I live in Austin and NEVER go to Whole foods or Farmer's markets. I merely shop at either HEB or Fiesta, wash the fark out of the raw fruit, and cook my own shiat. It's not hard to do and it's cheap. There's no excuse for not eating healthy even if you are a broke motherfarker!

As for the article, ok, I understand the appeal of eating a cheap burger. You are hungry, you didn't pack your lunch the previous day, and only have a few bucks. Cool. But, if you are eating out MORE than cooking, yeah, then I find there is a problem with that. IMHO, people (and yes, I've been guilty of this myself) get the mindset of "ugh, I don't feel like cooking" and it becomes a habit. It's a hard one to break, but it' can be broken, trust me.

/steps off Fark.com soapbox
 
2013-07-28 01:59:35 PM

mafiageek1980: Look, I am trying really hard to read the article without thinking that it's nothing more than just a rant against hipsters, but, it's impossible.

Hell, how hard is it to shop for food that is GOOD for you without emptying your wallet? I'm a fish-eating vegetarian that's married to a vegan. I live in Austin and NEVER go to Whole foods or Farmer's markets. I merely shop at either HEB or Fiesta, wash the fark out of the raw fruit, and cook my own shiat. It's not hard to do and it's cheap. There's no excuse for not eating healthy even if you are a broke motherfarker!

As for the article, ok, I understand the appeal of eating a cheap burger. You are hungry, you didn't pack your lunch the previous day, and only have a few bucks. Cool. But, if you are eating out MORE than cooking, yeah, then I find there is a problem with that. IMHO, people (and yes, I've been guilty of this myself) get the mindset of "ugh, I don't feel like cooking" and it becomes a habit. It's a hard one to break, but it' can be broken, trust me.

/steps off Fark.com soapbox


Hmm, I guess Missed Connections on Craigslist must get pretty dull if you don't go to WF?
When I lived in ATX it was like a vagina wonderland in there, then you'd get home and there'd be all these CL Missed Connections posts referencing the very same tattooed roller derby cupcake queen that I just spoke to...
 
2013-07-28 02:00:10 PM

cman: farker has got a point


Obviously. But I'll bet if he combed his hair right it wouldn't be nearly so noticeable.

You know what else makes fast food a money-saver? Losing those ten or twenty years of lifespan during which you'd have to be paying for even more food.

Seriously, if you're looking for cheap food, rice, beans and canola will get you a LOT more calories per dollar, and at a MUCH lower cost to your long-term health.

Rice: 25 cents per 1000 calories
Beans: 75 cents per 1000 calories
Canola oil: 30 cents per 1000 calories

So, a bit more than 1/10 the "cost per calorie" of the McDouble, and it gives you plenty of complete protein, without the ridiculous overload of salt and saturated fat.

Yeah, I used to live on fast food, and it still tastes better to me than rice and beans. But I'd rather have those extra years of life, and I'd rather not suffer the digestive and cardiovascular consequences during whatever years I do get.
 
2013-07-28 02:03:28 PM

Outlaw2097: ONCE AGAIN, MCFATTY TRIUMPHS ALL.

Step 1...Get a McDouble
Step 2...Get a McChicken.
Step 3...Remove and trash bottom buns on both.
Step 4...Attach McDouble bottom to McChicken bottom to create the McFatty*.

*Do not stare directly at McFatty. Its knows your weaknesses.

/$2 and change for some good eating
//you are welcome


I thought that was called the McGangbang
 
2013-07-28 02:07:58 PM

YoOjo: mafiageek1980: Look, I am trying really hard to read the article without thinking that it's nothing more than just a rant against hipsters, but, it's impossible.

Hell, how hard is it to shop for food that is GOOD for you without emptying your wallet? I'm a fish-eating vegetarian that's married to a vegan. I live in Austin and NEVER go to Whole foods or Farmer's markets. I merely shop at either HEB or Fiesta, wash the fark out of the raw fruit, and cook my own shiat. It's not hard to do and it's cheap. There's no excuse for not eating healthy even if you are a broke motherfarker!

As for the article, ok, I understand the appeal of eating a cheap burger. You are hungry, you didn't pack your lunch the previous day, and only have a few bucks. Cool. But, if you are eating out MORE than cooking, yeah, then I find there is a problem with that. IMHO, people (and yes, I've been guilty of this myself) get the mindset of "ugh, I don't feel like cooking" and it becomes a habit. It's a hard one to break, but it' can be broken, trust me.

/steps off Fark.com soapbox

Hmm, I guess Missed Connections on Craigslist must get pretty dull if you don't go to WF?
When I lived in ATX it was like a vagina wonderland in there, then you'd get home and there'd be all these CL Missed Connections posts referencing the very same tattooed roller derby cupcake queen that I just spoke to...


LOL! Naw, don't do Craigslist either unless I'm trying to get rid of moving boxes and don't want to let them go to waste in the trash.
 
2013-07-28 02:08:00 PM

Relatively Obscure: Dwight_Yeast: They got caught out about the filler a decade ago,

I'm at work (yay).  Could you point me to more about this, if you get a chance?


I mistyped; that should have been "decades ago", not "a decade ago".

But I'll see what I can find.
 
2013-07-28 02:13:51 PM

mtbhucker: Outlaw2097: ONCE AGAIN, MCFATTY TRIUMPHS ALL.

Step 1...Get a McDouble
Step 2...Get a McChicken.
Step 3...Remove and trash bottom buns on both.
Step 4...Attach McDouble bottom to McChicken bottom to create the McFatty*.

*Do not stare directly at McFatty. Its knows your weaknesses.

/$2 and change for some good eating
//you are welcome

I thought that was called the McGangbang


The McRusty McVenture.
 
2013-07-28 02:15:00 PM

Rhino_man: letrole:

Nice name, now:
[fireden.net image 717x880]


The letrole alt account far predates the Reddit 'le' nonsense.
 
2013-07-28 02:16:24 PM

spidermilk: Orgasmatron138: In that time (2 years), I've dropped 20 pounds.  I also haven't been sick at all; no colds, no flu, and very rarely do I even have an upset stomach.  I have more energy and at 34, look and feel like I'm in the best shape of my life.

I think that last part is one of the biggest benefits and I wish more people realized it.


I think it's easy for people to get caught up in extremes.  They think that either you NEVER eat junk food, maintain a strict, rigid diet, and spend all your time exercising or you sit on your couch all day stuffing your face.

I like to think I found a good balance.  I eat well, I still get to drink, but I feel great and look the best I've ever looked.

I've never understood the mentality of people who think eating right and exercise are just about living longer; it's also about feeling awesome a lot of the time.
 
2013-07-28 02:20:26 PM

Neighborhood Watch: That story was actually pretty good.  It made sense.

The money line:  "If the macrobiotic Marxists had their way, of course, there'd be no McDonald's, Walmart or Exxon, because they have visions of an ideal world in which everybody bikes to work with a handwoven backpack from Etsy that contains a lunch grown in the neighborhood collective."


/funny, but true


Could be, but anyone worried about such is a total retard. They'll get humans to give up meat and effective farming methods just about when the Pope gets us to voluntarily stop masturbating.
 
2013-07-28 02:23:58 PM

CheekyMonkey: fredklein: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Dude never mentioned sodium or fat even once.

He never mentioned ferrets or popular cartoon villains, either. That's because he's only talking about calories. As it says in the article's sub-headline: "In terms of cost-per-calorie, no locavore, organic veggie can compete with the McDouble".

Thank you for highlighting the worthlessness of the article.

\evaluating food solely on the basis of cost-per-calorie is akin to Car & Driver putting a particular model on their "Ten Best" list just because it comes in a nifty shade of red.


It's like evaluating the best places to live based on cost-per-square-foot of real estate, or the best car on lifetime miles driven per dollar of purchase price.  If that were the case, the best place to live would be Detroit a few years back where they were giving away housing ($0/sq foot!), and the best car would be a late 80's honda accord or something similar, because they weren't expensive and lasted for 300,000 miles.
 
2013-07-28 02:24:09 PM

Zulu_as_Kono: Relatively Obscure: I don't find them bad, I just find them very, very meh.

Don't forget the feces!


Don't forget the insects and their feces ground up in every bit of flour you have ever consumed.

Maybe we should just stop eating?
 
2013-07-28 02:35:28 PM
letrole posts the same comment over and over.

letrole: doesn't it get boring after a while?

letrole: Anyone who feigns disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Ride a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers

 
2013-07-28 02:38:17 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Relatively Obscure: Dwight_Yeast: They got caught out about the filler a decade ago,

I'm at work (yay).  Could you point me to more about this, if you get a chance?

I mistyped; that should have been "decades ago", not "a decade ago".

But I'll see what I can find.


So, according to the Wikipedia (article "pink slime") the FDA approved the basic process (centerfuging followed by freezing) in 1990, so it wasn't used in food before that date.

Because of all the noise about "pink slime", I can't seem to find anything about earlier filler issues.

Going by my own memory (which could well be faulty), right around 1990, McDonald's got in trouble for two things: soy filler in their burgers and the medium used to fry their french fries, which was at the time beef tallow.  They dealt with the beef tallow issue by replacing it with vegetable oil and a cocktail of flavorings, and they dealt with the filler issue by announcing that they would use "100% beef" from then on, but didn't mention what this meat product was.

Personally, I'd rather the burgers had soy filler than "pink slime".
 
2013-07-28 02:39:38 PM

Zulu_as_Kono: fredklein: "In terms of cost-per-calorie, no locavore, organic veggie can compete with the McDouble"

Because clearly, from a healthful-eating perspective, cost-per-calorie is all that matters.


No one (except you) said that.

He chose to look only at calorie count. There are others who look only at nutritional value. And there are others who look only at taste.

Get over it.
 
2013-07-28 02:40:20 PM
FTFA:  Junk food costs as little as $1.76 per 1,000 calories, whereas fresh veggies and the like cost more than 10 times as much, found a 2007 University of Washington survey for the Journal of the American Dietetic Association. A 2,000-calorie day of meals would, if you stuck strictly to the good-for-you stuff, cost $36.32, said the study's lead author, Adam Drewnowski.

So naturally we should start making ways for poor people to bet healthier food more cheaply, right? Like, say, through welfare money? Because I hate to break it to you, but there is a  major difference in how the human body processes junk food calories v. how it processes real calories, and one of those differences is an obesity epidemic.

Page Title:  Kyle Smth: Liberals say they care about the poor but drive up their cost of living

...Oh for fark sake.
 
2013-07-28 02:41:42 PM

theorellior: fredklein: He never mentioned ferrets or popular cartoon villains, either. That's because he's only talking about calories. As it says in the article's sub-headline: "In terms of cost-per-calorie, no locavore, organic veggie can compete with the McDouble".

How's that sugared Crisco diet going for you? I mean, it's all about cost per calorie, right?


No, "it" is not all about cost-per-calorie. The article was focusing on that aspect, however.
 
2013-07-28 02:43:26 PM
It's a much, MUCH more fulfilling experience to listen to the Freakonomics podcast this article is based off than to read the submitted blog post, which is a half-understood rehash of what Dubner is saying.

The point of the story is that cheap food is almost always dismissed as being bad for you, while expensive food is almost always embraced as being better for you. Both points of view are untrue, because cost is not a surrogate for quality when it comes to food; there are many subsidies and economies of scale that make cheap food cheap and which don't have a lot to do with its nutritional qualities.

The problem with the McDouble is the same as anything on McDonald's menu: it's highly processed, which means that it won't make you feel full as quickly as more natural food, and a lot of the nutritional benefits of the processed ingredients are mitigated in favor of more calories, salt, fat and sugar. If you ate one a day, it would sustain you quite well. But many people eat two or three, followed by fries and a 32 oz soft drink, offering a meal costing $4-5 in most markets, but providing the calories of two meals.

And THAT is the issue at hand. Speaking of which, Freakonomics also put up a piece on the history of obesity recently and found that while it has been on the rise gradually since the Civil War era, it has risen the most sharply since the 1980s.

They don't go into causes, but it doesn't require a lot of imagination; during that same period, mothers increasingly began working full-time, pre-preapred, dine-out and highly processed meals became a way of life AND school lunches increasingly turned away from fresh preparation into processed frozen foods. We had a cultural shift that led us to eating less freshly-prepared food, and we're seeing the effect now.

Another problem is that in the last several decades, dairy producers have had to find ways to put cheese in things because the government stopped buying excess cheese in the late 1970s. Cheese makes food more fattening and higher in calories. You'll notice that cheese or whey, or other dairy derivatives are in almost EVERYTHING you buy that's processed today.

The easy fix is for our government to stop providing subsidies for foods we don't need (corn, beef, cheese) and to start providing subsidies to drive down the costs of foods that are easily eaten raw and fresh (like fruits, carrots, leafy vegetables, etc). The market will take care of the rest.
 
2013-07-28 02:44:36 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Instead he hits on cost-per-calorie and says 'BEHOLD! AFFORDABLE NUTRITION!'


Exactly- his article sub-headline says it's going to be about calories, and his article is about... calories. What's the problem?? That he didn't cover something (fats, sodium, general nutrition) that he never said he was going to cover?
 
2013-07-28 02:47:36 PM

mafiageek1980: . I live in Austin and NEVER go to Whole foods or Farmer's markets. I merely shop at either HEB or Fiesta, wash the fark out of the raw fruit, and cook my own shiat. It's not hard to do and it's cheap. There's no excuse for not eating healthy even if you are a broke motherfarker!


I've been a broke-ass college student for the past three years and I have definitely been eating healthier since I can't afford to eat restaurant food two or three times a day like some people do. It's fun to experiment with spices and combinations of things, and I know exactly what's in my food. Healthy eating for poor people does not have to mean beans and rice for every meal. Or those nasty chicken thighs, for that matter.

/HEB is teh awesome. Excellent quality stuff at cheap prices.
/The Fiesta in Austin on I-35 is unbelievably awesome. Wish they had one about two hours up the road.
 
2013-07-28 02:48:46 PM

Bloody William: Just don't get fries and that burger's really not bad if you're in a pinch.


Also, toss the bun. Then it's really good.
 
2013-07-28 02:49:35 PM

CheekyMonkey: evaluating food solely on the basis of cost-per-calorie is akin to Car & Driver putting a particular model on their "Ten Best" list just because it comes in a nifty shade of red.


If they had a column talking about "Ten cars we evaluate based on their color", then it's not surprising that that don't look at anything other than... color.

He never said it was nutritious. He never said it was a balanced meal (unless you hold one in each hand. har har). He just said it was a good deal in term of $ per calorie. Which is true.
 
2013-07-28 02:59:06 PM
now when u say McDouble you mean beans and rice.  right?
 
2013-07-28 03:00:19 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Personally, I'd rather the burgers had soy filler than "pink slime".


"Pink Slime" (and, as an aside, that's a perfect example how people's perception is influenced by the name of something. See also the dangerous 'chemically' sounding term Di-Hydrogen Monoxide) is nothing more than small scraps of... beef. It's too labor-intensive to re-trim it off the fat, so they heat it up to soften the fat, then spin it to make the scraps of meat come out. A quick puff of ammonia compound to make sure bacteria don't grow on/in it, and... That's it. The big kerfuffle about "pink slime" was pretty much cause by 1) it's name (which admittedly sounds gross), 2) the fact ammonia is used (in perfectly safe amounts) in it's processing, and 3) the fact that people started all sorts of lies about it (ie: 'they grind up tendons' or 'they soak it in bleach', etc).

So, if you have a problem with "pink slime", you have a problem with... beef.
 
2013-07-28 03:03:48 PM

Dwight_Yeast: etherknot: If everyone else is getting stuff I don't mind getting a single Mccheezburgr. It is for the value, probably the best thing on their menu.


I adore the two cheeseburger meal.  They took it off the menu for a while, but I found that I could still order it if I just asked for it.


FWIW, I like McDonald's. I pretty much only get the two cheeseburger meal. Pretty good deal.
 
2013-07-28 03:04:03 PM

WordyGrrl: mafiageek1980: . I live in Austin and NEVER go to Whole foods or Farmer's markets. I merely shop at either HEB or Fiesta, wash the fark out of the raw fruit, and cook my own shiat. It's not hard to do and it's cheap. There's no excuse for not eating healthy even if you are a broke motherfarker!

I've been a broke-ass college student for the past three years and I have definitely been eating healthier since I can't afford to eat restaurant food two or three times a day like some people do. It's fun to experiment with spices and combinations of things, and I know exactly what's in my food. Healthy eating for poor people does not have to mean beans and rice for every meal. Or those nasty chicken thighs, for that matter.

/HEB is teh awesome. Excellent quality stuff at cheap prices.
/The Fiesta in Austin on I-35 is unbelievably awesome. Wish they had one about two hours up the road.


I've been going to Fiesta a lot less lately because of my work schedule, but if I ever need a spice/fruit that originates OUTSIDE the US, then Fiesta is it! And I am CONVINCED that someone from the state of Louisiana is involved in upper management of Fiesta because they have EVERY Louisiana-based food product EVER!

/might go to the newest HEB off muller once the hype and suburban moms have finished invading it.
//Yes, I have no life, but damnit, I love to cook!
///recovering fattie
 
2013-07-28 03:04:25 PM
they should make a Walmart full of McDouble's and call it Heaven
and they'd cost 87 cents instead of $1.00
 
2013-07-28 03:11:47 PM

fredklein: Exactly- his article sub-headline says it's going to be about calories, and his article is about... calories. What's the problem?? That he didn't cover something (fats, sodium, general nutrition) that he never said he was going to cover?


I've already explained it. Zulu's already explained it. If you keep having to go back to this point, all I can say is good luck with that.

Or, rather: Defend the movie reviewer's article. Explain to us why cost-per-calorie and the McDouble are good arguments for taking a whack at the organic foodie strawman.
 
2013-07-28 03:12:19 PM

crazydave023: TheGogmagog: YoOjo: I grew up somewhere with no McDs so I never had their food as a child, first time I ever went in one was at age 15, I wanted to use the bathroom but I was on LSD and the whole experience was so plastic (even the lighting and air in there seemed plastic) that I left and have never returned.
So, I'm that guy, I've never eaten McD, but not because I'm a smug hipster, more because I'm odd.

I avoided eating at Burger King until I was 19 or so.  Just so I could say I never ate at Burger King.  I guess I was a smug hipster before there were hipsters.

Funny you mentioned that because I have never eaten Taco Bell just because there is good Mexican Food in my city and have never needed to go to Taco Bell. Now I just won't go so that I can say to people "I have never eaten Taco Bell in my life".


I've never eaten at a Taco Bell either. No need to. Mexican food is relatively cheap in a regular restaurant. Burgers, on the other hand, can be $12 in a regular restaurant, making it easier to go to McD's, Hardee's, BK, Wendy's or just cook on the grill.
 
2013-07-28 03:14:50 PM

JK8Fan: crazydave023: TheGogmagog: YoOjo: I grew up somewhere with no McDs so I never had their food as a child, first time I ever went in one was at age 15, I wanted to use the bathroom but I was on LSD and the whole experience was so plastic (even the lighting and air in there seemed plastic) that I left and have never returned.
So, I'm that guy, I've never eaten McD, but not because I'm a smug hipster, more because I'm odd.

I avoided eating at Burger King until I was 19 or so.  Just so I could say I never ate at Burger King.  I guess I was a smug hipster before there were hipsters.

Funny you mentioned that because I have never eaten Taco Bell just because there is good Mexican Food in my city and have never needed to go to Taco Bell. Now I just won't go so that I can say to people "I have never eaten Taco Bell in my life".

I've never eaten at a Taco Bell either. No need to. Mexican food is relatively cheap in a regular restaurant. Burgers, on the other hand, can be $12 in a regular restaurant, making it easier to go to McD's, Hardee's, BK, Wendy's or just cook on the grill.


dude u HAVE to try the Nachos and Cheese
79 cents at taco bell
 
2013-07-28 03:15:36 PM

secularsage: It's a much, MUCH more fulfilling experience to listen to the Freakonomics podcast this article is based off than to read the submitted blog post, which is a half-understood rehash of what Dubner is saying.


For Dubner (and his FARK Amen Corner) its yet another bad argument to bash The Liberals Only They Can See. For the rest of us, its a good summary of how to eat right on the cheap.

Good stuff, thanks for linking.
 
2013-07-28 03:18:36 PM

fredklein: CheekyMonkey: evaluating food solely on the basis of cost-per-calorie is akin to Car & Driver putting a particular model on their "Ten Best" list just because it comes in a nifty shade of red.

If they had a column talking about "Ten cars we evaluate based on their color", then it's not surprising that that don't look at anything other than... color.

He never said it was nutritious. He never said it was a balanced meal (unless you hold one in each hand. har har). He just said it was a good deal in term of $ per calorie. Which is true.


Yes, I understand that.  As I said, it's a stupid way of evaluating food.
 
2013-07-28 03:19:51 PM

JK8Fan: crazydave023: TheGogmagog: YoOjo: I grew up somewhere with no McDs so I never had their food as a child, first time I ever went in one was at age 15, I wanted to use the bathroom but I was on LSD and the whole experience was so plastic (even the lighting and air in there seemed plastic) that I left and have never returned.
So, I'm that guy, I've never eaten McD, but not because I'm a smug hipster, more because I'm odd.

I avoided eating at Burger King until I was 19 or so.  Just so I could say I never ate at Burger King.  I guess I was a smug hipster before there were hipsters.

Funny you mentioned that because I have never eaten Taco Bell just because there is good Mexican Food in my city and have never needed to go to Taco Bell. Now I just won't go so that I can say to people "I have never eaten Taco Bell in my life".

I've never eaten at a Taco Bell either. No need to. Mexican food is relatively cheap in a regular restaurant. Burgers, on the other hand, can be $12 in a regular restaurant, making it easier to go to McD's, Hardee's, BK, Wendy's or just cook on the grill.


Taco Bell's advantage over regular restaurant is on weekends they are open as late as 3 a.m.
 
2013-07-28 03:33:15 PM

CheekyMonkey: fredklein: CheekyMonkey: evaluating food solely on the basis of cost-per-calorie is akin to Car & Driver putting a particular model on their "Ten Best" list just because it comes in a nifty shade of red.

If they had a column talking about "Ten cars we evaluate based on their color", then it's not surprising that that don't look at anything other than... color.

He never said it was nutritious. He never said it was a balanced meal (unless you hold one in each hand. har har). He just said it was a good deal in term of $ per calorie. Which is true.

Yes, I understand that.  As I said, it's a stupid way of evaluating food.


As someone upthread stated, you'll die due to a lack of calories a lot faster than due to lack of proper nutrition, heart disease, or diabetes. Thus, calories are the most important part of food. Perhaps it's a little short-sighted, but what isn't these days?
 
2013-07-28 03:42:15 PM

fredklein: As someone upthread stated, you'll die due to a lack of calories a lot faster than due to lack of proper nutrition, heart disease, or diabetes.


Again, how's that sugared Crisco diet working out for you? Any bleeding at the gums? Irritabilty? Difficulty in seeing? Brittle bones?
 
2013-07-28 03:52:04 PM

theorellior: fredklein: As someone upthread stated, you'll die due to a lack of calories a lot faster than due to lack of proper nutrition, heart disease, or diabetes.

Again, how's that sugared Crisco diet working out for you? Any bleeding at the gums? Irritabilty? Difficulty in seeing? Brittle bones?


::sigh:: No one is claiming that calories are the ONLY thing to be concerned about. So take the strawman back, chop it up with some tofu, and serve it... to someone else.
 
2013-07-28 03:53:00 PM

MrHappyRotter: McDonald's food is disgusting, it's little more than fillers, fat and salt.  When you eat that stuff, you're slowly killing yourself, it's not worth it.

That's why I go to Wendy's for their junior cheeseburger deluxe instead.


Then I highly recommend that you go to Wendys for the Junior Cheesburger and Micky D's for their fries (not disgusting).  Done it.  Shamefully, yet happily.

/ Have to be in the ER in 26 Minutes
 
2013-07-28 04:07:16 PM

fredklein: ::sigh:: No one is claiming that calories are the ONLY thing to be concerned about. So take the strawman back, chop it up with some tofu, and serve it... to someone else.


No, you dumbass, that's the whole point of his argument. "Healthy" food is more expensive, so poor people should maximize calories. But a cheeseburger isn't the way to do that, as other people in the thread have demonstrated time and again. It's an argumentum ad absurdum which is defeated by a parallel argument of eating Crisco and sugar as the way to "minimize cost per calorie".

And tofu isn't anything anyone else has brought up here but you, which means you're getting in a dig at hippy-dippy granola types just because. Just like the dumbass article writer.
 
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