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(Cleveland Plain Dealer)   Kidnapping victim held hostage for 10 years unaware that people don't go to Nelly concerts anymore   (cleveland.com) divider line 26
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2013-07-28 09:05:29 AM
Were they being held in Ohio too?  I guess the true blessing is when you ask them about Zimmerman they won't know what the fark you're talking about.
 
2013-07-28 09:07:02 AM
Why is it that the words "backstage", "Amanda Berry", "Nelly" bother me?
 
2013-07-28 09:18:38 AM
And they both know guys with poles in their basements.
 
2013-07-28 09:21:48 AM
I wish the media would stop saying "held hostage" when they mean "held prisoner".

Somebody is only a "hostage" when demands are made in return for their safety or release.
 
2013-07-28 09:26:28 AM
Saw a clip on NBC's Today Show.  Lots of guys wearing shirts saying that the party is "in your mouth and everybody's CUMMIN'."   I'm sure someone will be offended.
 
2013-07-28 09:29:08 AM
Ah Nelly. The poor man's 50 Cent.
 
2013-07-28 09:30:24 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-28 09:32:31 AM
After the introduction, Nelly kicked into a rendition of Pimp Juice and Berry was heard to say, "yo, you still sound like shiat."
 
2013-07-28 09:34:50 AM

czetie: I wish the media would stop saying "held hostage" when they mean "held prisoner".

Somebody is only a "hostage" when demands are made in return for their safety or release.


Hmmmm, I think that their safety was being held hostage as in, if they didn't comply with their captor he would kill them. The killer was making demands, and they had to fulfill them in order to maintain safety. That sounds like hostages to me.
 
2013-07-28 09:42:48 AM
FTFC:   I wonder if they toned down all the objectifying of women (bikini contests and such) they normally have there in honor of her presence.  Wahoo888
 
2013-07-28 09:44:24 AM
So, sexual dominance over women is bad only if plump balding Puerto Ricans do it?  How about Chechens?
 
2013-07-28 09:45:30 AM
Aw hell, let 'em have a little fun. If they want Nelly, ice cream with sprinkles, airbrushed t-shirts, a pine cone air freshener for the car, ain't hurting nothing, and sure as hell ain't gonna make up for what they went through.
 
2013-07-28 09:48:15 AM

wellreadneck: FTFC:   I wonder if they toned down all the objectifying of women (bikini contests and such) they normally have there in honor of her presence.  Wahoo888


After what they went through, probably wouldn't traumatize them one damn bit. See, those women are doing it because they want to and are AWs. Not locked in a basement dungeon. Slight difference.
 
2013-07-28 10:07:03 AM

Wolf892: czetie: I wish the media would stop saying "held hostage" when they mean "held prisoner".

Somebody is only a "hostage" when demands are made in return for their safety or release.

Hmmmm, I think that their safety was being held hostage as in, if they didn't comply with their captor he would kill them. The killer was making demands, and they had to fulfill them in order to maintain safety. That sounds like hostages to me.


No, that sounds like being held prisoner or held captive or threatened with their safety. If you want to call that "hostage" then every prisoner is a hostage because they will suffer consequences if they don't obey their captors.

The quintessence of "hostage" is that their safety depends on the actions of another, not themselves, i.e. "a person held by one party in a conflict as security that specified terms will be met by the opposing party". By definition, you can't be a hostage to your own actions (except, perhaps, in the most metaphorical of senses).

The origin of the word is in the idea of "exchange of hostages", e.g. two kings each sending a prince to the other as a guarantee of adherence to a treaty. That's why the word shares a root with "host". It's evolved over time from the idea of a prisoner given voluntarily as a pledge of trustworthiness to include people held against their will, but the essential element of guaranteeing behavior of a third party remains.

Look, we have several perfectly good words for their circumstances, such as "prisoner" or "captive". Let's not dilute the perfectly good and entirely distinctive word "hostage".
 
2013-07-28 10:10:44 AM
Just saying ride wit me could easily be a kidnapper anthem.

Come and take a ride wit me,
We holdin girls against their will
Why must I be this way
Must be the money

Sexy and real slow,
On my basement flo
Measurements was 36 25 34
I like the pretty skin you wear
I like to smell your hair
I like the way the light hits your chains and glare

Yeah I can hear you scream from way over there.


/sorry guys. Happy shes out of that nightmare and hopefully on her way to a normalized life
 
2013-07-28 10:19:07 AM
Maybe this is why subby thinks no one goes to a Nelly concert anymore:  "Nelly did his set, 4 or 5 songs, "
 
2013-07-28 11:06:48 AM

czetie: I wish the media subby would stop saying "held hostage" when they mean "held prisoner".


FTFY
 
2013-07-28 11:25:03 AM
Country Grammar was a great album.

Fact.
 
2013-07-28 11:27:55 AM

PainfulItching: wellreadneck: FTFC:   I wonder if they toned down all the objectifying of women (bikini contests and such) they normally have there in honor of her presence.  Wahoo888

After what they went through, probably wouldn't traumatize them one damn bit. See, those women are doing it because they want to and are AWs. Not locked in a basement dungeon. Slight difference.


One might claim those attention whores are mentally locked in the basement dungeon of a patriarchal society. Of course, one might also wear a 'Fur Is Murder' patch on one sleeve of their denim jacket and an 'Abortion On Demand' patch on the other without any sense of cognitve dissonance.
 
2013-07-28 11:29:47 AM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: So, sexual dominance over women is bad only if plump balding Puerto Ricans do it?  How about Chechens?


This really is justice at it's finest.  Dude imprisons women for 10 years, becomes a prisoner for life + 1,000.  You know hte guards are going to leave him in the showers and 'forget' to supervise the gang raping.  It's about showing him the fear he instilled in those women.  Letting him be the subject.  And hoping the horror he experiences at least equals what he inflicted.

That being said, sexual dominance is a multi-million dollar industry.  Dude should have found his ilk and enjoyed his perverse nature in a consensual way.

Yes, if you are into BDSM etc, you are perverse.  There just happens to be a large crowd of equally perverse people who make you feel better about yourself.

/BDSMers:  play-rape is what gets you off.  pervert.
 
2013-07-28 12:33:23 PM

Go Fornicate Without a Partner: BolshyGreatYarblocks: So, sexual dominance over women is bad only if plump balding Puerto Ricans do it?  How about Chechens?

This really is justice at it's finest.  Dude imprisons women for 10 years, becomes a prisoner for life + 1,000.  You know hte guards are going to leave him in the showers and 'forget' to supervise the gang raping.  It's about showing him the fear he instilled in those women.  Letting him be the subject.  And hoping the horror he experiences at least equals what he inflicted.

That being said, sexual dominance is a multi-million dollar industry.  Dude should have found his ilk and enjoyed his perverse nature in a consensual way.

Yes, if you are into BDSM etc, you are perverse.  There just happens to be a large crowd of equally perverse people who make you feel better about yourself.

/BDSMers:  play-rape is what gets you off.  pervert.


I suspect your fark handle mimics your sex life.  prude
 
2013-07-28 12:38:28 PM
It's gettin' hot in here,
so downstairs you go.
 
2013-07-28 01:42:58 PM

Go Fornicate Without a Partner: This really is justice at it's finest. Dude imprisons women for 10 years, becomes a prisoner for life + 1,000. You know hte guards are going to leave him in the showers and 'forget' to supervise the gang raping. It's about showing him the fear he instilled in those women. Letting him be the subject. And hoping the horror he experiences at least equals what he inflicted.


No, that would be "justice" at its most barbaric and illegal under the Constitution as cruel and unusual punishment, even if not "officially" sanctioned. Rape is never OK, even as an informal policy by guards of looking the other way... guards who are responsible for the safety and well-being of their charges.

If you feel otherwise, your views would be right at home in a number of other countries; perhaps you should explore the possibility of emigrating. Or at least you might be more at home in Alabama or Arkansas.
 
2013-07-28 04:36:42 PM
Subby must be a Nickleback fan.
 
2013-07-28 08:29:49 PM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: So, sexual dominance over women is bad only if plump balding Puerto Ricans do it?  How about Chechens?


Sexual dominance over women is never bad.
infact the ladies prefer it that way and encourage it.
 
2013-07-29 03:24:48 AM

czetie: Wolf892: czetie: I wish the media would stop saying "held hostage" when they mean "held prisoner".

Somebody is only a "hostage" when demands are made in return for their safety or release.

Hmmmm, I think that their safety was being held hostage as in, if they didn't comply with their captor he would kill them. The killer was making demands, and they had to fulfill them in order to maintain safety. That sounds like hostages to me.

No, that sounds like being held prisoner or held captive or threatened with their safety. If you want to call that "hostage" then every prisoner is a hostage because they will suffer consequences if they don't obey their captors.

The quintessence of "hostage" is that their safety depends on the actions of another, not themselves, i.e. "a person held by one party in a conflict as security that specified terms will be met by the opposing party". By definition, you can't be a hostage to your own actions (except, perhaps, in the most metaphorical of senses).

The origin of the word is in the idea of "exchange of hostages", e.g. two kings each sending a prince to the other as a guarantee of adherence to a treaty. That's why the word shares a root with "host". It's evolved over time from the idea of a prisoner given voluntarily as a pledge of trustworthiness to include people held against their will, but the essential element of guaranteeing behavior of a third party remains.

Look, we have several perfectly good words for their circumstances, such as "prisoner" or "captive". Let's not dilute the perfectly good and entirely distinctive word "hostage".


You must be a blast at parties.
 
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