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(International Business Times)   Georgia winning the "Tri-State Water War" against Floribama   (ibtimes.com) divider line 83
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2013-07-28 12:06:20 AM  
The future, Mr. Gittes!

s1.ibtimes.com
 
2013-07-28 12:07:04 AM  
Thanks, Floribama!
 
2013-07-28 12:19:41 AM  
Bastards keep wasting water.
 
2013-07-28 12:30:04 AM  
How about this - Georgia, you can have the water, but you have to annex the panhandle as well.  Everything north or west of Tallahassee can become GA, and you can deal with the issues there.

The rest of the state will be better off - we'll lose that wonky central time zone chunk of the state, and it will get rid of a bunch of conservative voters too.
 
2013-07-28 12:53:45 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: How about this - Georgia, you can have the water, but you have to annex the panhandle as well.  Everything north or west of Tallahassee can become GA, and you can deal with the issues there.

The rest of the state will be better off - we'll lose that wonky central time zone chunk of the state, and it will get rid of a bunch of conservative voters too.


The best deal for Georgia would be to hand everything that isn't Atlanta to Florida and Alabama.
 
2013-07-28 12:56:57 AM  
Pictured: Georgia Residents celebrate their latest victory against the peninsular state below Georgia.

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2013-07-28 01:01:38 AM  
That's OK, Floribama will take care of them in football via two extremely embarassing ass-whoopin's.

/DNRTFA, but I bet this is because Atlantans want water, and screw the rest of the state
//even though Lake Seminole is in the southwest corner, and I assume by this headline that's what the fight was over
 
2013-07-28 02:53:36 AM  
Article is boring without a map of the rivers, estuaries, and boundaries in question. I don't feel it's my responsibility to do that for them, but for FARK I will try and check what's on the Bing.
 
2013-07-28 03:05:31 AM  
www.eswr.com
Thank you Mr. Bing. That gives a better idea of the rivers in question. Now we can see that the oyster growers are south of the tri=state border, not in Jacksonville.
 
2013-07-28 04:38:49 AM  
I thought something had happened to the Flora-Bama but never mind. Carry on.
 
2013-07-28 04:42:02 AM  
Do you know who else tried to control the water in the Tri-State Area?

applenapps.com
 
2013-07-28 04:46:53 AM  
"But water is the most renewable resource there is! You can't waste it!"
 
2013-07-28 04:47:42 AM  
Time for toilet-to-tap. Don't just use that water once!
 
2013-07-28 04:47:55 AM  
No biggie. There's plenty of water where they're headed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiTM2HQ0g98
 
2013-07-28 05:04:51 AM  
Say What? There is a "Tri-state" water war between Alabama, Georgia, and Florida? Never even knew it was going on! What are we going to do about this problem? Oh, just talk about it. Okay.....that always works out great.

Well, considering that Georgia is already declared the winner by this article, and Alabama is the next downstream state.......I suppose Florida is last in this water war, since it is the most downstream south you can get in the USA. Oh, boy......I just love living in this state!
 
2013-07-28 05:09:23 AM  
Good for them.  If I recall, their last did not end to well.
 
2013-07-28 05:24:15 AM  

Kevin72: [www.eswr.com image 849x659]
Thank you Mr. Bing. That gives a better idea of the rivers in question. Now we can see that the oyster growers are south of the tri=state border, not in Jacksonville.


Any time you see a straight line on a map, you can bet there is going to be some kind of trouble.

Also it's funny when these issues come up and the people in suburban Atlanta blame the City of Atlanta for all their water woes even though the suburbs are the ones with all the large lawns of non-native grasses that need to be soaked continuously with water. It also doesn't help that quite a bit of the suburban and exurban developments don't have sewage systems so water instead ends up in septic systems that can take centuries or longer for the used water to seep back into the water table. Treated water on the other hand is pumped back into the river system it came from.

The City of Atlanta has some of the highest water rates in the country but it's on schedule for completely redoing its entire sewage system. Newer cities in another decade or two will find out what happens when infrastructure is no longer new and requires extensive maintenance. Until then, low water rates will continue to lead to wasteful usage.

Ultimately Georgia needs to build more reservoirs. The two big ones were built by the Federal government at Atlanta's request long ago. The region has grown extensively since then but has done very little to increase storage capacity that could make use of excess rainfall in years like the one we're currently having. One county, Clayton (which will surprise many who live here), has done a lot of work in this area and during the last couple of droughts was in much better shape than everybody else. But Georgia counties are too small for each one to build its own set of reservoirs. The state needs to take action and not pray that the Federal government will build more or allocate more water from existing reservoirs. Unfortunately the legislature in Georgia is more concerned with theocracy and tea party issues.
 
2013-07-28 05:54:23 AM  
Florida and Georgia you say?

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2013-07-28 05:55:51 AM  
Hey, Florida: if you guys figure out how to clone Sherman for us, we'll let you borrow him. Or we'll at least point him toward Atlanta again.

thect.blog.com
 
2013-07-28 06:21:50 AM  
I have a 100 GPM well on my property here in Florida, so I'm getting a real kick. Etc.
 
2013-07-28 06:25:06 AM  
Insult to injury -- the Georgians are turning that water into Dasani.
 
2013-07-28 07:05:13 AM  
So, Tennessee told Georgia to eff off with their water claims on its rivers, so they go mess with people even crazier?  Good idea GA.
 
2013-07-28 07:11:55 AM  

redmid17: Florida and Georgia you say?

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Georgia's in Florida, dumbass!
 
2013-07-28 07:15:31 AM  
Let me guess on how the inter-state negotiations went:

Alabama: We want this to be decided in these negotiations and not by federal fiat.  Also, we want all the decisions to give us everything that we asked for.
Florida: We want this to be decided in these negotiations and not by federal fiat.  Also, we want all the decisions to give us everything that we asked for.
Georgia: We want this to be decided in these negotiations and not by federal fiat.  Also, we want all the decisions to give us everything that we asked for.

We'll just call it the Middle SouthEast.
 
2013-07-28 07:21:54 AM  
The affected areas of Alabama and Florida have had 20 years to work on their own reservoir system, and haven't done anything.
 
2013-07-28 07:23:41 AM  
You know who has a lot of water they don't need?  Canada, that's who.  Why not build a Keystone-type pipeline system that brings water down into this region, as well as the American southwest?

I don't see why it would be any greater challenge then the Erie Canal, the Panama Canal or any one of a hundred other technological marvels of our age.  The states that benefit could pay into a national fund of some kind to build and maintain it, plus provide royalties to Canada.

It would be a win-win for everybody.
 
2013-07-28 07:26:49 AM  

Neighborhood Watch: You know who has a lot of water they don't need?  Canada, that's who.  Why not build a Keystone-type pipeline system that brings water down into this region, as well as the American southwest?

I don't see why it would be any greater challenge then the Erie Canal, the Panama Canal or any one of a hundred other technological marvels of our age.  The states that benefit could pay into a national fund of some kind to build and maintain it, plus provide royalties to Canada.

It would be a win-win for everybody.


I already live in the most water plentiful region in the world (probably). It'll take a bit to convince me. I like Canadians, and poutine is pretty awesome. If they want to join the States (and exclude the Quebecois) they are more than welcome.
 
2013-07-28 07:46:17 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Hey, Florida: if you guys figure out how to clone Sherman for us, we'll let you borrow him. Or we'll at least point him toward Atlanta again.

[thect.blog.com image 500x399]


I'm down.  Sherman tore Georgia and Worst Carolina apart, and other than flattening the arsenal at Fayetteville he didn't do much damage to us.
 
2013-07-28 07:49:27 AM  
Any chance the residents of Florida all die then? Because that would be great.
 
2013-07-28 07:51:18 AM  
FTFA: "The state of Alabama has been relying on litigation for 20 years now without actually engaging in water planning ourselves," Reid said. Alabama is preparing to create a water plan. But until that actually happens, "the Corps can only work with what the state puts out as its needs. And the state hasn't done the analysis that's necessary, I think, to argue that we're not getting our fair share."

I can't help but wonder whether or not Alabama would bother doing this if it weren't becoming apparent that the Corps of Engineers is siding with Atlanta on this. If the issue were still largely undecided, I imagine Alabama would continue to do nothing but wade through the courts on this.
 
2013-07-28 07:51:44 AM  
Maybe Alabama and Florida should've spent parts of the last two decades doing all the work that Georgia did in regards to explaining their future needs and working on conservation plans.

Georgia presents detailed information in what they need and why, while everyone else stomps their feet and says "nuh-uh, that's not fair".
 
2013-07-28 07:56:51 AM  
EngineerAU:  Unfortunately the legislature in Georgia is more concerned with theocracy and tea party issues. 

We really won by accident because of this and because the water comes from our mountains.   I know of one place in the Coosawatee feeders where a farmer lets his cows regularly stand in the river.  My family's property was downstream and we were always warned not to drink from the river because of this, even though it was just a few miles from the source.
 
2013-07-28 07:59:12 AM  
This is something worth talking about instead of Obamacare, Benghazi, and all the other outrages du jour.
 
2013-07-28 07:59:58 AM  

Krieghund: Thanks, Floribama!


Came for this.
 
2013-07-28 08:07:12 AM  

jmr61: Any chance the residents of Florida all die then? Because that would be great.


LOL, profile says you live in West Virginia. Who's watching the manure pit while you're here posting?
 
2013-07-28 08:08:14 AM  
All kidding aside, this is just a preview of the future when everyone realizes that water is more important that oil-and not just in Floribama.
 
2013-07-28 08:14:01 AM  

kradio: All kidding aside, this is just a preview of the future when everyone realizes that water is more important that oil-and not just in Floribama.


South America has it pretty bad these days. The Andes are drier than they used to be.
 
2013-07-28 08:17:08 AM  

jmr61: Any chance the residents of Florida all die then? Because that would be great.


But wait - what about Florida FARKers?

/we're a harmless lot, generally speaking
 
2013-07-28 08:26:28 AM  
Was born there but kinda glad I don't live there now. Yearons ago memories are fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoVXoB6x3vM

(Amusing in parts)
 
2013-07-28 08:32:43 AM  
Won't someone think of the tasty, tasty oysters??
 
2013-07-28 08:38:24 AM  

starsrift: This is something worth talking about instead of Obamacare, Benghazi, and all the other outrages du jour.



You're wrong about that.
 
2013-07-28 08:41:48 AM  
The Florabama is awesome.

Fact.
 
2013-07-28 08:43:05 AM  
Cobb County and Canton built a reservoir up near Canton that they have s split on the water rights.

Though if it keeps raining like it has been this year the water issue is pretty moot.

At least I have a lawn that doesn't need watering with emerald zoysia. A pain to cut but oh well.
 
2013-07-28 08:43:33 AM  
Atlanta has enough money to fund reports for need but Georgia doesn't have the bank for infrastructure. As much as folks complain about lawn watering (which is true and cheaper to fine than chase down absentee business owners who just leave their systems on year round) there are issues with horizontal growth and treatment needs and industrial use/ waste water needs. They only want clean treatable water but not 'used' water. In 2007, when border wars with AL, TN and FL were heating up due to drought, the recession was what saved them as it put a stop to everything. This has long been a kick the can issue and the state, as with most southern states, gets bogged down by lack of leadership or education in its politicians. I doubt the south will rise again, but it may burn again. And that's a good thing.
 
2013-07-28 09:13:23 AM  

Surool: Do you know who else tried to control the water in the Tri-State Area?


Given how smart everyone is in that show, I don't think they're in the South.
 
2013-07-28 09:15:09 AM  
I live 1,200 feet from Lake Lanier and may go piss in it today knowing it's headed to Atlanta and Florida.
 
2013-07-28 09:20:18 AM  

jmr61: Any chance the residents of Florida all die then? Because that would be great.


Only NW Florida residents.
 
2013-07-28 09:21:52 AM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Let me guess on how the inter-state negotiations went:

Alabama: We want this to be decided in these negotiations and not by federal fiat.  Also, we want all the decisions to give us everything that we asked for.
Florida: We want this to be decided in these negotiations and not by federal fiat.  Also, we want all the decisions to give us everything that we asked for.
Georgia: We want this to be decided in these negotiations and not by federal fiat.  Also, we want all the decisions to give us everything that we asked for.

We'll just call it the Middle SouthEast.


Pretty much.  Very little in compromise from Alabama and Florida.  Georgia has been a little more flexible. But not much.
 
2013-07-28 09:57:12 AM  

Neighborhood Watch: You know who has a lot of water they don't need?  Canada, that's who.  Why not build a Keystone-type pipeline system that brings water down into this region, as well as the American southwest?

I don't see why it would be any greater challenge then the Erie Canal, the Panama Canal or any one of a hundred other technological marvels of our age.  The states that benefit could pay into a national fund of some kind to build and maintain it, plus provide royalties to Canada.

It would be a win-win for everybody.


Channelize the Mississippi.  What could possibly wrong?
:/
 
2013-07-28 09:57:20 AM  
This is a big f*cking deal.....
 
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