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2013-07-27 12:36:48 PM
dumb ass kids
 
2013-07-27 12:43:05 PM

mikeray: dumb ass kidsbureaucrats

 
2013-07-27 12:44:03 PM
High School in the Community
www.newhavenindependent.org
snert
 
2013-07-27 12:51:13 PM
I like the idea, but it's extremely surprising to me that none of the freshmen were ready to go on to the next grade.  The video also mentioned that the freshman class was 43 kids, which is very, very, small (my suburban high school had over 600 kids in my freshman class).  That makes me wonder if this wasn't possibly an alternative school for special-ed or otherwise learning-disabled kids.

The problem with NCLB isn't social promotion.  The big problem is that it forces teachers to teach down to the lowest common denominator and thereby hinders the performance of the brightest and most motivated students while forcing the system to deal with a bunch of kids who don't want to be there and whose parents don't really give a damn in the first place.

Every student should be given a chance, but we really need more aggressive tracking by achievement and motivation starting at earlier grades.  Group the best and the brightest together and let them go through an accelerated and enriched curriculum, give the middle the mainstream curriculum, and take the behavior problems and unmotivated students and try to at least let them get the basics, and perhaps develop some vo-tech options so that they can graduate high school with some trade skills that they might be able to find a job with.
 
2013-07-27 01:01:24 PM
Something doesn't smell right here. The story is detail-light.

I'm no fan of NCLB and high-stakes testing, but there are substantial details that are missing.

TuteTibiImperes: That makes me wonder if this wasn't possibly an alternative school for special-ed or otherwise learning-disabled kids.


Or it's a school for at-risk kids like former gang-members and juvie hall kids who skipped most of their primary school education.
 
2013-07-27 01:38:13 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: mikeray: dumb ass kidsbureaucrats


So the bureaucrats failed the tests. I must have misunderstood.

Dumb ass bureaucrats.
 
2013-07-27 01:39:29 PM

mikeray: The My Little Pony Killer: mikeray: dumb ass kidsbureaucrats

So the bureaucrats failed the tests. I must have misunderstood.

Dumb ass bureaucrats.


The bureaucrats failed the kids. They are supposed to be the adults in the situation, remember? This all starts with them.
 
2013-07-27 01:57:17 PM
GIS for this school.

"Learning b hard".

i.huffpost.com

Why not educate kids to their ability rather than frustrating them with work they are incapable of doing?
Let kids leave school at 8th grade if they still can't read.

 As we don't really need ditch diggers any more. declare them Wards of the State. Upon leaving school the state could sterilize them and present them with an EBT card.

Someday people may look back and wonder why people like Obama and Bush thought every child was equal.
 
2013-07-27 02:01:04 PM
My cousin graduated high school in 1972 and could barely read or write on a third grade level. He was functionally illiterate to the point that he'd bring home job applications so his mother, and later when he got married, his wife could assist him in filling them out. All this thanks to social promotion. He couldn't get a driver's license because he wasn't able to pass the written test.
 
2013-07-27 02:03:22 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: mikeray: The My Little Pony Killer: mikeray: dumb ass kidsbureaucrats

So the bureaucrats failed the tests. I must have misunderstood.

Dumb ass bureaucrats.

The bureaucrats failed the kids. They are supposed to be the adults in the situation, remember? This all starts with them.


"High School in the Community was founded 40 years ago as a teacher run school and was the first small school alternative to New Haven's large high schools." - school website.

Yeah... it's always the bureaucrats.

Lot's more information (and lulz) on the schools website.

http://www.highschoolinthecommunity.org/
 
2013-07-27 02:06:33 PM

Vectron: GIS for this school.


It's a picture of kids with books, paper and writing implements.  Okay?
 
2013-07-27 02:12:43 PM

Relatively Obscure: It's a picture of kids with books, paper and writing implements.


Yep. It looks like that could be any school in the US.
 
2013-07-27 02:13:42 PM

Relatively Obscure: Vectron: GIS for this school.

It's a picture of kids with books, paper and writing implements.  Okay?


That kid has a Diet Coke and a Butterfinger in the classroom. IN THE CLASSROOM FOR FARKS SAKE!
 
2013-07-27 03:13:53 PM
Yeah kids just can't be dumb.
 
2013-07-27 03:36:33 PM
Jeeze...that video wasn't worth the number of scripts that had to be unblocked to see it.

/local newscasts suck
 
2013-07-27 03:47:10 PM
No child left behind is typical of the government's ability to shroud their intentions with nice sounding catch phrases.  The truth of any government  program is usually the opposite of what it says.  The leave children behind all the time.  They give up on them and refuse to do the difficult thing in order to appear consistent with their current philosophy.  Some children need more some ,need less but treating them all the same just means some will not be pushed enough while other will be overwhelmed and drop out.
 
2013-07-27 03:49:52 PM

Revek: No child left behind is typical of the government's ability to shroud their intentions with nice sounding catch phrases.  The truth of any government  program is usually the opposite of what it says.  The leave children behind all the time.  They give up on them and refuse to do the difficult thing in order to appear consistent with their current philosophy.  Some children need more some ,need less but treating them all the same just means some will not be pushed enough while other will be overwhelmed and drop out.


It was a failure when Bush and Boehner came up with it, and it's continued to fail on Obama's watch since he hasn't made it a priority to do anything about it.  It's truly a bipartisan MCF.
 
2013-07-27 03:56:29 PM
NCLB is a stupid and terrible law, but if your whole freshman class failed then you are doing something horribly wrong.
 
2013-07-27 03:57:32 PM
I utterly loath autoplaying videos. Don't do that.
 
2013-07-27 03:59:53 PM

Vectron: GIS for this school.

"Learning b hard".

[i.huffpost.com image 570x380]

Why not educate kids to their ability rather than frustrating them with work they are incapable of doing?
Let kids leave school at 8th grade if they still can't read.

 As we don't really need ditch diggers any more. declare them Wards of the State. Upon leaving school the state could sterilize them and present them with an EBT card.

Someday people may look back and wonder why people like Obama and Bush thought every child was equal.


Is the same handle you use on Stormfront?
 
2013-07-27 04:01:03 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Relatively Obscure: Vectron: GIS for this school.

It's a picture of kids with books, paper and writing implements.  Okay?

That kid has a Diet Coke and a Butterfinger in the classroom. IN THE CLASSROOM FOR FARKS SAKE!


He's also wearing a hoodie.
 
2013-07-27 04:02:36 PM
This isn't the Compassionate Conservatism we were told about...

/to those that post hope/change in obama threads, did i do that right
 
2013-07-27 04:03:40 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I like the idea, but it's extremely surprising to me that none of the freshmen were ready to go on to the next grade.  The video also mentioned that the freshman class was 43 kids, which is very, very, small (my suburban high school had over 600 kids in my freshman class).  That makes me wonder if this wasn't possibly an alternative school for special-ed or otherwise learning-disabled kids.

The problem with NCLB isn't social promotion.  The big problem is that it forces teachers to teach down to the lowest common denominator and thereby hinders the performance of the brightest and most motivated students while forcing the system to deal with a bunch of kids who don't want to be there and whose parents don't really give a damn in the first place.

Every student should be given a chance, but we really need more aggressive tracking by achievement and motivation starting at earlier grades.  Group the best and the brightest together and let them go through an accelerated and enriched curriculum, give the middle the mainstream curriculum, and take the behavior problems and unmotivated students and try to at least let them get the basics, and perhaps develop some vo-tech options so that they can graduate high school with some trade skills that they might be able to find a job with.


you sound very elitist.
Maybe those brightest can share their talents and help the unmotivated students out.
 
2013-07-27 04:04:05 PM
Yeah, something smells wrong here. The bright students will pass no matter how bad the teaching is.
 
2013-07-27 04:06:15 PM

ManicParroT: I utterly loath autoplaying videos. Don't do that.


stilted: Jeeze...that video wasn't worth the number of scripts that had to be unblocked to see it.

/local newscasts suck



subby sucks
 
2013-07-27 04:06:23 PM
Don't worry, I'm sure a 100% free market private educational system will completely turn this around.
 
2013-07-27 04:08:14 PM

Vectron: As we don't really need ditch diggers any more. declare them Wards of the State. Upon leaving school the state could sterilize them and present them with an EBT card.


I've sent the sterilization van to your house. Don't expect a card.
 
2013-07-27 04:14:32 PM
Some people just aren't high school material.

On the bright side, though, if they can read and write at all, and do the most basic math operations, then they can still get a GED, and make an 1150 on the SAT (I am old, so I have no idea if that score makes sense now), and still get into some shiatty program somewhere, like Ohio State or Texas or something. Or they could just stay right there and go to Maple Syrup A & T.

Nobody, anywhere, ever has given a crap about HS advancement. And if I had it to do over again, I'd get held back a few times on purpose. Sexually active young girls PRE the freshman 15 for the win.
 
2013-07-27 04:14:38 PM
C'mon subby, tell us it's a video...
 
2013-07-27 04:16:49 PM

Peter von Nostrand: This isn't the Compassionate Conservatism we were told about...

/to those that post hope/change in obama threads, did i do that right


You do know that Bush has not been President for a long time, right?

This program is now being implemented by the current administration.  If they didn't like it, they could have CHANGED it.

Maybe that is too much to HOPE for.
 
2013-07-27 04:18:27 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: TuteTibiImperes: I like the idea, but it's extremely surprising to me that none of the freshmen were ready to go on to the next grade.  The video also mentioned that the freshman class was 43 kids, which is very, very, small (my suburban high school had over 600 kids in my freshman class).  That makes me wonder if this wasn't possibly an alternative school for special-ed or otherwise learning-disabled kids.

The problem with NCLB isn't social promotion.  The big problem is that it forces teachers to teach down to the lowest common denominator and thereby hinders the performance of the brightest and most motivated students while forcing the system to deal with a bunch of kids who don't want to be there and whose parents don't really give a damn in the first place.

Every student should be given a chance, but we really need more aggressive tracking by achievement and motivation starting at earlier grades.  Group the best and the brightest together and let them go through an accelerated and enriched curriculum, give the middle the mainstream curriculum, and take the behavior problems and unmotivated students and try to at least let them get the basics, and perhaps develop some vo-tech options so that they can graduate high school with some trade skills that they might be able to find a job with.

you sound very elitist.
Maybe those brightest can share their talents and help the unmotivated students out.


Teaching someone else how to do something is actually a good way to develop a greater mastery of the subject yourself, as it forces you to look at the concepts in a different way, to break them down, and to discover how others piece them together.  I'm all for peer-tutoring, and it's something that schools should certainly do more of.

However, in a typical instructor led classroom setting the pace of the lesson is very much determined by the slowest, most unprepared, or most unmotivated of students.  If you slow down to match the pace of the slowest, or to try to forcibly drag the unmotivated and unprepared along, you are doing a disservice to the moderately and highly effective learners in the room.  When you teach to the brightest, most prepared and more motivated students, you are leaving the other end of the spectrum behind and doing them a disservice.  NCLB has encouraged a middle-ground standards-based set of benchmarks that is equally as harmful for both the fastest and the slowest learners, and has the added bonus of forcing teachers to teach to a standardized test and removes much their freedom to craft an engaging and informative curriculum if that curriculum does not hit the exact points that the state test wants to see at the exact time of year the state test wants to see it.

Breaking the classes up is the fairest way to do things.  It won't hold back those that can excel, and it will allow those that need more help to have a classroom experience that moves at a pace where they can be successful, which is more likely to keep them engaged.  Kids start to act out when they're bored - either from the class moving too slowly and thus leaving them with nothing to keep their attention, or from the class moving too quickly and feeling lost and then just giving up.

All students have the equal right to succeed, but not all have the same intellectual strengths or resources such as parents who are involved and engaged with their education and help push them along.  Separating students based on ability allows everyone to succeed to the highest level that they can.
 
2013-07-27 04:18:27 PM
Sounds like they are doing a good thing. I especially like how they aren't just saying "Oh well, try again next year", they are giving them a chance over the summer to work on what they need to improve and redeem themselves to advance.
 
2013-07-27 04:19:15 PM
Maybe subby is one of the students who failed considering his aversion to reading... thus linking a freaking video... from AOL no less.
 
2013-07-27 04:20:17 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Relatively Obscure: It's a picture of kids with books, paper and writing implements.

Yep. It looks like that could be any school in the US.


Even has the one kid cheating off a classmate.
 
2013-07-27 04:21:54 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Peter von Nostrand: This isn't the Compassionate Conservatism we were told about...

/to those that post hope/change in obama threads, did i do that right

You do know that Bush has not been President for a long time, right?

This program is now being implemented by the current administration.  If they didn't like it, they could have CHANGED it.

Maybe that is too much to HOPE for.


'Cause... you know, the Republicans have been making things wicked easy for them to do.
 
2013-07-27 04:22:00 PM

ManicParroT: I utterly loath autoplaying videos. Don't do that.


farkinglizardking: C'mon subby, tell us it's a video...


These two. If you're going to link a video, use the video tag.
 
2013-07-27 04:22:22 PM
Group the best and the brightest together and let them go through an accelerated and enriched curriculum, give the middle the mainstream curriculum, and take the behavior problems and unmotivated students and try to at least let them get the basics, ...

The leftist teachers union is ideologically opposed to this. Can't have elite groups of students making the minority kids look worse. Popular culture hates elites of ANY kind, even if they're worthwhile elites.

We now have a culture that simply does not value education, or has the will to make these kids work hard. Why do Asian kids do so well? It ain't genetics. They come from families that make them succeed in school. Asian cultures value and demand academic achievement. Most minority cultures just don't care about academic achievement, and don't push their kids to excel. There *are* notable exceptions with some parents, but for the most part they don't care. How many TV shows and movies do you see that show hard working students in a positive light? Very few. Most of the plots are about kids goofing off in school, and fighting back against mean teachers etc. Pity there aren't rap videos with gangstas showing off their diplomas, instead of rimz and grillz...

However, it's thoughtcrime to point out that some cultures have to get their acts together. Gotta keep them sweet with free gubmint benefits so they don't riot and tear shiat up.
 
2013-07-27 04:24:52 PM
So, they have to repeat the 9th grade with the same 'teachers'?

Great teachers make great students.
 
2013-07-27 04:26:14 PM
images4.wikia.nocookie.net

They need to get Superintendent Chalmers in there to inspire the kids with stories of Teddy Roosevelt.
 
2013-07-27 04:26:46 PM

mikeray: Yeah kids just can't be dumb.


You're not very good at this.
 
2013-07-27 04:30:11 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Peter von Nostrand: This isn't the Compassionate Conservatism we were told about...

/to those that post hope/change in obama threads, did i do that right

You do know that Bush has not been President for a long time, right?

This program is now being implemented by the current administration.  If they didn't like it, they could have CHANGED it.

Maybe that is too much to HOPE for.


So you just realized how retarded Democrats would have sounded from 2001 to 2009 by going full potato in every thread blathering some nonsense about Compassionate Conservatism

*re-reads your post*

Nope
 
2013-07-27 04:34:58 PM
I failed 4th grade and 5th grade math class due to carpal tunnel, so they got marked wrong. I even offered to demonstrate on the board to prove I could do them in my head. The teacher sent me off for an IQ test to Guidance. Then I ended up getting another from some guy from the state when the results "couldn't be right". I refused to show my work on problems I could do in my head. We spent a month on how to add dissimilar fractions. Another on how to subtact them. Seriously? Who needs that kind of instruction? Either you get it in the first day or two or you don't.
 
2013-07-27 04:36:30 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Vectron: GIS for this school.

Is the same handle you use on Stormfront?


But he's not a racist.  Just ask him.  He does only have 26 minutes to get to the Dry Cleaner to pick up his white sheets for tonight's meeting however.
 
2013-07-27 04:37:43 PM

BMFPitt: NCLB is a stupid and terrible law, but if your whole freshman class failed then you the teachers at the previous school are doing something horribly wrong.


FTFY.  If 43 freshmen can't pass freshmen English, it's more likely that they can't read at a freshmen level when they become freshmen.
 
2013-07-27 04:37:49 PM
Not one passed? What the hell? Were they just sitting in the classroom and being told they were special snowflakes all day instead of learning one farking thing?
 
2013-07-27 04:39:03 PM

mark12A: Group the best and the brightest together and let them go through an accelerated and enriched curriculum, give the middle the mainstream curriculum, and take the behavior problems and unmotivated students and try to at least let them get the basics, ...

The leftist teachers union is ideologically opposed to this. Can't have elite groups of students making the minority kids look worse. Popular culture hates elites of ANY kind, even if they're worthwhile elites.

We now have a culture that simply does not value education, or has the will to make these kids work hard. Why do Asian kids do so well? It ain't genetics. They come from families that make them succeed in school. Asian cultures value and demand academic achievement. Most minority cultures just don't care about academic achievement, and don't push their kids to excel. There *are* notable exceptions with some parents, but for the most part they don't care. How many TV shows and movies do you see that show hard working students in a positive light? Very few. Most of the plots are about kids goofing off in school, and fighting back against mean teachers etc. Pity there aren't rap videos with gangstas showing off their diplomas, instead of rimz and grillz...

However, it's thoughtcrime to point out that some cultures have to get their acts together. Gotta keep them sweet with free gubmint benefits so they don't riot and tear shiat up.


I agree that the educational system has been biased against the most capable of students to a degree, but my feeling is that a large part of that has come from NCLB.  I don't agree that the teacher's unions have anything to do with it, or that educational success is somehow at odds with liberalism - liberals champion education and intellectualism.  I'm also not going to lay the blame on 'minority cultures'.  Yes, there are certainly cultural, even racial, trends in educational success, but those boil down to economic issues rather than racial issues, certain minorities are more economically disadvantaged than others overall, and thus we see the results in educational success.

By far the biggest factor in determining how successful a student will be academically is parent involvement.  Parents that start their kids off early, reading to them, teaching them to read, interacting with them, taking them places to inspire them and let them expand their minds, help them with their homework, pay attention to what's going on at school, meet with teachers, support them at school functions/activities/concerts/athletic-events, follow up with discipline at home after hearing reports of misbehavior at school, etc, those are the students who are going to learn the fastest, enjoy school the most, be the most motivated, and reach the highest heights.

Parents who have college or post-graduate degrees themselves are far more likely to understand the importance of education and to offer that support and encouragement to their children.  Parents who may have a high school diploma, if that, and are working multiple jobs just to make ends meet, or single parents dealing with all that and more, aren't likely to value education as highly or have the time to spend focusing on their children's school life.

Finding a way to educate the disadvantaged parents and teach them how to teach, motivate, and follow up with their kids at home would go a long way to breaking cycles of generational poverty and failure.
 
2013-07-27 04:46:46 PM

here to help: tenpoundsofcheese: Peter von Nostrand: This isn't the Compassionate Conservatism we were told about...

/to those that post hope/change in obama threads, did i do that right

You do know that Bush has not been President for a long time, right?

This program is now being implemented by the current administration.  If they didn't like it, they could have CHANGED it.

Maybe that is too much to HOPE for.

'Cause... you know, the Republicans have been making things wicked easy for them to do.


They don't get to brush it off on the other guy if they haven't even tried.  Both parties are equally complicit in this.
 
2013-07-27 04:47:48 PM

Xcott: BMFPitt: NCLB is a stupid and terrible law, but if your whole freshman class failed then you the teachers at the previous school are doing something horribly wrong.

FTFY.  If 43 freshmen can't pass freshmen English, it's more likely that they can't read at a freshmen level when they become freshmen.


From checking out the school's website it also looks like that use a fairly atypical grading and progress system.   You can see the details here.  From the way I understand it, the school isn't set up to be a typical four year process where if you pass certain courses you can move onto the next.  It looks like you need at least a level '3' out of 4 to pass to the next level in a subject, which would be a B average on the GPA scale.

Also, according to their enrollment data, the student body is much more heavily minority than the city of New Haven, so it could be that they try to focus admissions on kids who are having trouble in the traditional school system due to poverty/parent-involvement issues in order to set them on the right track.
 
2013-07-27 04:48:42 PM
NCLB was doomed at the start because it was passed with only half the funding needed to make it work.
 
2013-07-27 04:51:16 PM

Goimir: I failed 4th grade and 5th grade math class due to carpal tunnel, so they got marked wrong.


Maybe you're good at doing simple math in your head but your sentence structure is atrocious. Or are you going to blame that on the carpal tunnel too?
 
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