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(Talking Points Memo)   GOP tells conservatives to stop acting crazy over Obamacare, also recommend leopards change their spots, water quit being wet   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 251
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2013-07-27 10:17:53 AM  
ErbermerCare! It's fer yer Awn Good! Certerzens Erssemble!!
 
2013-07-27 10:43:06 AM  
So is the Republican party planning on resetting to the rational and reality-based days of the Bush era?
 
2013-07-27 10:45:51 AM  
Lawful Evil vs Chaotic Evil?
 
2013-07-27 10:48:11 AM  
I for one applaud their brave stand against people having affordable health insurance.
 
2013-07-27 10:51:01 AM  

Notabunny: So is the Republican party planning on resetting to the rational and reality-based days of the Bush era?


Bush the Greater or Bush the Lesser?
 
2013-07-27 10:52:58 AM  
I still can't believe they ran the architect of ObamaCare as their 2012 candidate, while their hatred of ObamaCare was coming to a fever pitch.  I really wish the Dems would remind them of that whenever they start in on the Two Minutes Hate for ObamaCare.  They should put up a non-binding resolution to recognize and applaud Mitt Romney's efforts to establish a health insurance mandate.
 
2013-07-27 10:56:11 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: I still can't believe they ran the architect of ObamaCare as their 2012 candidate, while their hatred of ObamaCare was coming to a fever pitch.  I really wish the Dems would remind them of that whenever they start in on the Two Minutes Hate for ObamaCare.  They should put up a non-binding resolution to recognize and applaud Mitt Romney's efforts to establish a health insurance mandate.


Mittens nomination served  notice to the TeaTards and other assorted nutjobs in the GOP that that the money guys are still firmly in control of the party, and their shenanigans need to stop. They don't really care about the social issues, but screwing around with the money is a big no-no.
 
2013-07-27 10:56:19 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: I still can't believe they ran the architect of ObamaCare as their 2012 candidate, while their hatred of ObamaCare was coming to a fever pitch.  I really wish the Dems would remind them of that whenever they start in on the Two Minutes Hate for ObamaCare.  They should put up a non-binding resolution to recognize and applaud Mitt Romney's efforts to establish a health insurance mandate.



REPUBLICAN OPPOSITION TO THE ACA IS AUTOMATICALLY INVALID BECAUSE THEY VOTED FOR THE MAN THAT SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENTED IT.


/Sorry for the caps, but this really can't be stressed enough
 
2013-07-27 10:57:31 AM  
"Republicans privately admit they're embarking on a fool's errand but have to show conservatives they're sparing no effort to fight Obamacare. "

So instead of trying to raise the level of debate by standing up to the crazies and explaining to them why they are wrong and that they are destroying the country, they just pander to them and become an active participant in the destruction.  Instead of being leaders, they are craven sycophantic toadies.

And that explains just about all you need to know about why America is doomed.
 
2013-07-27 10:59:12 AM  

vernonFL: I for one applaud their brave stand against people having affordable health insurance.


Everything was better before January 20, 2009.  Even the things that weren't.
 
2013-07-27 11:05:25 AM  

MFAWG: LouDobbsAwaaaay: I still can't believe they ran the architect of ObamaCare as their 2012 candidate, while their hatred of ObamaCare was coming to a fever pitch.  I really wish the Dems would remind them of that whenever they start in on the Two Minutes Hate for ObamaCare.  They should put up a non-binding resolution to recognize and applaud Mitt Romney's efforts to establish a health insurance mandate.

Mittens nomination served  notice to the TeaTards and other assorted nutjobs in the GOP that that the money guys are still firmly in control of the party, and their shenanigans need to stop. They don't really care about the social issues, but screwing around with the money is a big no-no.


Too bad for them, the Teabaggers are a significant bloc within the House GOP, and they're tearing the party apart.

Rot at the center spreads outward.
 
2013-07-27 11:06:50 AM  
I'm not sure what is worse: holding the worldwide economy hostage to defund or repeal ObamaCare, or actively inciting constituents to make financially irresponsible decisions that could result in their going bankrupt.
 
2013-07-27 11:07:32 AM  

Snatch Bandergrip: LouDobbsAwaaaay: I still can't believe they ran the architect of ObamaCare as their 2012 candidate, while their hatred of ObamaCare was coming to a fever pitch.  I really wish the Dems would remind them of that whenever they start in on the Two Minutes Hate for ObamaCare.  They should put up a non-binding resolution to recognize and applaud Mitt Romney's efforts to establish a health insurance mandate.


REPUBLICAN OPPOSITION TO THE ACA IS AUTOMATICALLY INVALID BECAUSE THEY VOTED FOR THE MAN THAT SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENTED IT.


/Sorry for the caps, but this really can't be stressed enough


They basically came up with the idea as an alternative to HillaryCare (which they called European socialized medicine).  Obama compromised, they voted against it because, well reasons, and now they claim that the plan they came up with is European socialized medicine, and damn Zerobama for shoving it down their throats.

/And even though Mittens implemented it, he promised to end it if he was elected, because he was the father of the Affordable Care Act, and therefore, he had the right to kill it.
 
2013-07-27 11:11:18 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: I still can't believe they ran the architect of ObamaCare as their 2012 candidate, while their hatred of ObamaCare was coming to a fever pitch.  I really wish the Dems would remind them of that whenever they start in on the Two Minutes Hate for ObamaCare.  They should put up a non-binding resolution to recognize and applaud Mitt Romney's efforts to establish a health insurance mandate.


Or just give them the link to the Heritage Foundation lobbying for it.

Unfortunately, research has shown that facts don't change the minds of people with firmly-held beliefs. They will just cling to them more.

There can't be any conservative on Fark who hasn't yet heard that Heritage came up with the plan and lobbied for it. Has it affected their opinion one whit? Not that anyone can tell.

/Fun fact: the founders implemented a mandate for health insurance
 
2013-07-27 11:12:54 AM  
Telling crazy people to not be crazy doesn't usually work.
 
2013-07-27 11:14:12 AM  

HighOnCraic: They basically came up with the idea as an alternative to HillaryCare


1) This assertion by Heritage is amusing because, well, they're basically admitting that Obama is a compromise and they backed off on the compromise.

2) They lied. They came up with this plan before Clinton was president or that anyone had even uttered the word "Hillarycare". But I prefer to allow them their statement to the contrary because it's so fun to make the point in 1)
 
2013-07-27 11:17:21 AM  

Notabunny: So is the Republican party planning on resetting to the rational and reality-based days of the Bush Bush Reagan Ford Nixon Eisenhower (Maybe?) era?


FTFY

Definitely not Hoover and I'm not going to the whole way back to Teddy.
 
2013-07-27 11:21:04 AM  
Seems like a few of them have enough awareness to realize that fighting Obamacare relentlessly will have negative repercussions for them personally, and the rest of the party isn't sane enough for that.
 
2013-07-27 11:21:46 AM  

MFAWG: LouDobbsAwaaaay: I still can't believe they ran the architect of ObamaCare as their 2012 candidate, while their hatred of ObamaCare was coming to a fever pitch.  I really wish the Dems would remind them of that whenever they start in on the Two Minutes Hate for ObamaCare.  They should put up a non-binding resolution to recognize and applaud Mitt Romney's efforts to establish a health insurance mandate.

Mittens nomination served  notice to the TeaTards and other assorted nutjobs in the GOP that that the money guys are still firmly in control of the party, and their shenanigans need to stop. They don't really care about the social issues, but screwing around with the money is a big no-no.


I've wondered when the big money guys who really run the GOP will start reining in the Teabaggers. The social issues are a useful way to get rubes to vote for economic policies that actively harm them, but if having to placate these people could do significant damage to the world economy, you think at some point they've got to tell them to STFU.
 
2013-07-27 11:29:51 AM  

John the Magnificent: "Republicans privately admit they're embarking on a fool's errand but have to show conservatives they're sparing no effort to fight Obamacare. "

So instead of trying to raise the level of debate by standing up to the crazies and explaining to them why they are wrong and that they are destroying the country, they just pander to them and become an active participant in the destruction.  Instead of being leaders, they are craven sycophantic toadies.

And that explains just about all you need to know about why America is doomed.


Dooooooooooooooooomed.
 
2013-07-27 11:33:30 AM  
Actively courting nutjobs to support your party and then telling them to be sane doesn't work very well.
 
2013-07-27 11:33:30 AM  
Here it is. Mitt Romney begging Obama to implement basically what was implemented.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/printe dition/news/20090730/column30_st . art.htm

Republicans were for it until Obama supported it then hated it once he did.

Sorry if the link didn't work, FARK's mobile site sucks.
 
2013-07-27 11:35:30 AM  
Some days I wish Obama would come out and tell everyone how much he loves everything Republican so they would instantly destroy themselves just to spite him.

/so crazy it just might work
 
2013-07-27 11:40:40 AM  

Superjew: Some days I wish Obama would come out and tell everyone how much he loves everything Republican so they would instantly destroy themselves just to spite him.

/so crazy it just might work


During election season he should just run a few hundred local race ads like "Mitch McConnell is my closest ally in the Senate. Vote for him."
 
2013-07-27 11:42:02 AM  

John the Magnificent: "Republicans privately admit they're embarking on a fool's errand but have to show conservatives they're sparing no effort to fight Obamacare. "

So instead of trying to raise the level of debate by standing up to the crazies and explaining to them why they are wrong and that they are destroying the country, they just pander to them and become an active participant in the destruction.  Instead of being leaders, they are craven sycophantic toadies.

And that explains just about all you need to know about why America is doomed.


This is a problem with any political ideology.

There are two types of people who join a political party - and I mean join as in on the actual county committees, not merely identify as such: Narcissists and True Believers. The True Believers join to see their issues realized. Narcissists join due to ambition. That's not to say one cannot be both - usually, there's some mix, but at their core, they joined for one reason or another. Narcissists tend to try to form a balance between their party's True Believers and the voting undecideds/moderates/independents. Narcissists see electoral success to be the best path to personal power, even if it's just to be the voice behind the throne, so they prefer not to take stances that MIGHT do more harm than good. They tend to be viewed as RINO/DINO and obstructionists.

Narcissists tend to run the party. But in the GOP, the True Believers took over, and that's why they've been so dysfunctional for more than five years. This is the narcissists pointing out that they've constantly failed, gotten nothing out of it, and need to turn control back over to the narcissists.
 
2013-07-27 11:42:41 AM  

Corvus: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/printe dition/news/20090730/column30_st . art.htm


I'm trying to get the link to work without much luck so far.
 
2013-07-27 11:43:37 AM  
This is Dr. Frankenstein unable to control his monster.

Apparently the rightwing wackos didn't realize they weren't supposed to actually believe all the crap the GOP threw against ObamaCare.
 
2013-07-27 11:43:43 AM  

John the Magnificent: craven sycophantic toadies


I'd like to invite everyone to hear my new band.
 
2013-07-27 11:46:41 AM  

Otherwise Just Fine: Corvus: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/printe dition/news/20090730/column30_st . art.htm

I'm trying to get the link to work without much luck so far.


Here
 
2013-07-27 11:46:47 AM  

Otherwise Just Fine: Corvus: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/printe dition/news/20090730/column30_st . art.htm

I'm trying to get the link to work without much luck so far.


There are 3 extra spaces that need to be removed
 
2013-07-27 11:47:34 AM  

Corvus: Here it is. Mitt Romney begging Obama to implement basically what was implemented.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/printe dition/news/20090730/column30_st . art.htm

Republicans were for it until Obama supported it then hated it once he did.

Sorry if the link didn't work, FARK's mobile site sucks.


Working link for your pleasure
 
2013-07-27 11:51:28 AM  

lantawa: ErbermerCare! It's fer yer Awn Good! Certerzens Erssemble!!


Read all the books you like, gather all the facts you choose.  In the end, THIS is the caliber of person you're trying to influence.  Good luck with that reasoned argument.
 
2013-07-27 11:59:40 AM  
The hell?  Whyso suddenly delete-happy, mods?  Wtf?
 
2013-07-27 12:00:52 PM  

lantawa: LouDobbsAwaaaay: I still can't believe they ran the architect of ObamaCare as their 2012 candidate, while their hatred of ObamaCare was coming to a fever pitch.  I really wish the Dems would remind them of that whenever they start in on the Two Minutes Hate for ObamaCare.  They should put up a non-binding resolution to recognize and applaud Mitt Romney's efforts to establish a health insurance mandate.

Well, I was going to cancel my response to you, and then read the redundantly mistaken posts that are now parroting your assertion. Tthere were, and are, very specific differences in the State of Massachusett's need for healthcare reform that was implemented by then Governor Romney, and what was done by El Presidente Hussein at the Federal level.  Study it out, dickwads, and, while you're at it, go find some goats to trade for your future wives and virgins.....


Tell me, what is it like to have such an empty, miserable and pathetic life that you have to resort to going to places like Fark.com and trolling to get attention?  I mean, it is obvious that you are a worthless human being, but what is it the makes you take that extra step to decide to come to Internet forums and make desperate cries for attention like this?  My last question is whether or not your mom (who is obviously upstairs) is aware that you are making cries for attention like this?  In the days before the Internet people who were this pathetic and miserable were usually just days away from slitting their wrists and didn't have a place to go to for their last cry for attention...I am sure that your mom (and probably only your mom) will be very sad when you decide to end it all...so please tell her that you are this miserable and get some help, for her sake
 
2013-07-27 12:04:32 PM  
Republicans are entirely responsible for filling the heads of their useful idiots with bullshiat and nonsense about the ACA, and it has bounced around the echo chamber for so long that it will take a generation for that damage to be undone.  I am constantly baffled by the numbers of otherwise intelligent people who speak with disdain about "Obamacare", apparently unaware of how broken the current medical care system is and the improvements that are already taking place.

Nobody is totally thrilled about the way the ACA is set to be implemented, but it's clearly better than what we've had until now and marks the beginning of a set of changes that will only get better with time.  Why the GOP doesn't embrace the system that they essentially invented can be summed up in one word:  "Obama".
 
2013-07-27 12:07:45 PM  

whatsupchuck: Republicans are entirely responsible for filling the heads of their useful idiots with bullshiat and nonsense about the ACA, and it has bounced around the echo chamber for so long that it will take a generation for that damage to be undone.  I am constantly baffled by the numbers of otherwise intelligent people who speak with disdain about "Obamacare", apparently unaware of how broken the current medical care system is and the improvements that are already taking place.

Nobody is totally thrilled about the way the ACA is set to be implemented, but it's clearly better than what we've had until now and marks the beginning of a set of changes that will only get better with time.  Why the GOP doesn't embrace the system that they essentially invented can be summed up in one word:  "Obama".


I know an older gentleman, otherwise very frugal and smart with his money, who actually refuses to buy anything through AARP or even endorsed by them simply because they came out in support of the ACA.
 
2013-07-27 12:08:48 PM  

vernonFL: I for one applaud their brave stand against people having affordable health insurance.


Are you talking about the Unions?
 
2013-07-27 12:10:06 PM  
The right-wing civil war is intensifying, and it's awesome. I only hope they pace themselves so they don't burn out and start cooperating months before the mid-terms.
 
2013-07-27 12:15:21 PM  

Tarl3k: lantawa: LouDobbsAwaaaay: I still can't believe they ran the architect of ObamaCare as their 2012 candidate, while their hatred of ObamaCare was coming to a fever pitch.  I really wish the Dems would remind them of that whenever they start in on the Two Minutes Hate for ObamaCare.  They should put up a non-binding resolution to recognize and applaud Mitt Romney's efforts to establish a health insurance mandate.

Well, I was going to cancel my response to you, and then read the redundantly mistaken posts that are now parroting your assertion. Tthere were, and are, very specific differences in the State of Massachusett's need for healthcare reform that was implemented by then Governor Romney, and what was done by El Presidente Hussein at the Federal level.  Study it out, dickwads, and, while you're at it, go find some goats to trade for your future wives and virgins.....

Tell me, what is it like to have such an empty, miserable and pathetic life that you have to resort to going to places like Fark.com and trolling to get attention?  I mean, it is obvious that you are a worthless human being, but what is it the makes you take that extra step to decide to come to Internet forums and make desperate cries for attention like this?  My last question is whether or not your mom (who is obviously upstairs) is aware that you are making cries for attention like this?  In the days before the Internet people who were this pathetic and miserable were usually just days away from slitting their wrists and didn't have a place to go to for their last cry for attention...I am sure that your mom (and probably only your mom) will be very sad when you decide to end it all...so please tell her that you are this miserable and get some help, for her sake


Actually, before the Internet, there was public access cable TV. That's where modern trolling was born.
 
2013-07-27 12:15:25 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: The right-wing civil war is intensifying, and it's awesome. I only hope they pace themselves so they don't burn out and start cooperating months before the mid-terms.


Yeah, on a certain level I kind of hope they hold out and make the government shut down.  Then the DNC can just send mailers to the district where every Republican is running for Congress in the midterms that clearly explain why that GOP candidate is the reason that their social security checks will be late, how the credit rating of the Government being diminished will hurt employment and economic growth, and all of the other ways that they're lives will be disrupted all because of selfish and petty bickering from a party more intent on thumbing its nose at the administration than actually governing.
 
2013-07-27 12:16:44 PM  
Let's get back to the important conversations that really shape and define this great nation,
Benghazi and Trayvon.


www.skyscanner.net
DRINK!
 
2013-07-27 12:17:27 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Fuggin Bizzy: The right-wing civil war is intensifying, and it's awesome. I only hope they pace themselves so they don't burn out and start cooperating months before the mid-terms.

Yeah, on a certain level I kind of hope they hold out and make the government shut down.  Then the DNC can just send mailers to the district where every Republican is running for Congress in the midterms that clearly explain why that GOP candidate is the reason that their social security checks will be late, how the credit rating of the Government being diminished will hurt employment and economic growth, and all of the other ways that they're lives will be disrupted all because of selfish and petty bickering from a party more intent on thumbing its nose at the administration than actually governing.


And the GOP will only have to counter that by sending out mailers saying "Obama", and they'll be absolved of all blame.  It'll help if there's a picture, you know, because we're the real racists.
 
2013-07-27 12:18:44 PM  

Ontos: vernonFL: I for one applaud their brave stand against people having affordable health insurance.

Are you talking about the Unions?


Unions cover 12% of the US labor force.
 
2013-07-27 12:32:17 PM  

Ontos: vernonFL: I for one applaud their brave stand against people having affordable health insurance.

Are you talking about the Unions?


The GOP isn't just trying to kill Union benefits.
 
2013-07-27 12:32:53 PM  
Seems like a few of them have enough awareness to realize that fighting Obamacare relentlessly will have negative repercussions for them personally, and the rest of the party isn't sane enough for that.


When the ACA *actually* gets implemented, and premiums start to go up, and people get their hours cut down to part time, and yada yada yada, the Consevatives who fought it will become instant heros and will get elected for the next twenty years.

Big government schemes and market interventions simply do NOT work over the long term. They just don't. You'd think you numb nuts would take a lesson from the USSR trainwreck and Greexe and so forth, but NO....
 
2013-07-27 12:33:59 PM  

jake_lex: I've wondered when the big money guys who really run the GOP will start reining in the Teabaggers.


Too late.
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-27 12:34:32 PM  
but i like to be forced to pay $10 less on my CIGNA cause my mom/dad won't let me smoke in the house
 
2013-07-27 12:35:51 PM  

mark12A: Seems like a few of them have enough awareness to realize that fighting Obamacare relentlessly will have negative repercussions for them personally, and the rest of the party isn't sane enough for that.


When the ACA *actually* gets implemented, and premiums start to go up, and people get their hours cut down to part time, and yada yada yada, the Consevatives who fought it will become instant heros and will get elected for the next twenty years.

Big government schemes and market interventions simply do NOT work over the long term. They just don't. You'd think you numb nuts would take a lesson from the USSR trainwreck and Greexe and so forth, but NO....


Because private insurance is the same as a big government scheme?  But yeah,  Dooooooooooom!
 
2013-07-27 12:39:27 PM  

mark12A: Seems like a few of them have enough awareness to realize that fighting Obamacare relentlessly will have negative repercussions for them personally, and the rest of the party isn't sane enough for that.


When the ACA *actually* gets implemented, and premiums start to go up, and people get their hours cut down to part time, and yada yada yada, the Consevatives who fought it will become instant heros and will get elected for the next twenty years.

Big government schemes and market interventions simply do NOT work over the long term. They just don't. You'd think you numb nuts would take a lesson from the USSR trainwreck and Greexe and so forth, but NO....


Require employers to pay into insurance for part time employees and amend the ACA to include price controls and rate caps.  Even better - bring back the public option.  Even better than that - scrap the whole thing and give us the universal single payer system paid for through general tax funds that we wanted in the first place.
 
2013-07-27 12:41:59 PM  

mark12A: Seems like a few of them have enough awareness to realize that fighting Obamacare relentlessly will have negative repercussions for them personally, and the rest of the party isn't sane enough for that.


When the ACA *actually* gets implemented, and premiums start to go up, and people get their hours cut down to part time, and yada yada yada, the Consevatives who fought it will become instant heros and will get elected for the next twenty years.

Big government schemes and market interventions simply do NOT work over the long term. They just don't. You'd think you numb nuts would take a lesson from the USSR trainwreck and Greexe and so forth, but NO....


None of that stuff is happening. Premiums are actually increasing less than anyone expected. Very very VERY few businesses are actually cutting hours to try and dodge the employer shared responsibility payment. And the countries with the most government intervention in their health care sector spend the least on health care.
 
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