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(The Consumerist)   Illinois Public Schools welcome students to 10th grade by: A) holding an August BBQ. B) scheduling a September pep rally. C) sending out $600 tuition bills   (consumerist.com) divider line 108
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2013-07-27 04:45:41 AM
Ohio public schools shouldn't be able to get away with this.  I'm sure the Missouri state legislature or Wisconsin school board will prevent this.  It's not fair to Michigan students.
 
2013-07-27 06:26:01 AM
Our HS required students buy a $125.00 Sci Calculator.
 
2013-07-27 06:26:25 AM
So my kids passed it around
 
2013-07-27 08:38:27 AM
Most parents spend more than that on alcohol each month.
 
2013-07-27 09:05:09 AM
It's about one thing only: being able to run for re-election by saying "I didn't raise school taxes!"
 
2013-07-27 09:22:58 AM
No matter how they frame it, it's just another example of ever increasing taxes.
 
2013-07-27 09:29:18 AM
FTA: we were surprised to see this bill from an Illinois school district where it costs $586 to enroll in tenth grade, including $300 for a Chromebook.

I assume this means the school board is going to be offering electronic versions of textbooks in order to cut down on costs and wastage?

The e-textbook argument would be a good one, except, the parent points out, most of the books the district uses aren't available electronically.

Sooo....these Chromebooks are meant for porn and League of Legends?
 
2013-07-27 10:24:17 AM

miss diminutive: FTA: we were surprised to see this bill from an Illinois school district where it costs $586 to enroll in tenth grade, including $300 for a Chromebook.

I assume this means the school board is going to be offering electronic versions of textbooks in order to cut down on costs and wastage?

The e-textbook argument would be a good one, except, the parent points out, most of the books the district uses aren't available electronically.

Sooo....these Chromebooks are meant for porn and League of Legends?


Is that a bad thing?
 
2013-07-27 10:26:13 AM

Fear_and_Loathing: Our HS required students buy a $125.00 Sci Calculator.


But TFA says:  What do scientific calculators run now, ten to twenty bucks?

Dumbass reporter is dumbass
 
msP
2013-07-27 10:27:09 AM
I don't get it... it cost almost $50,000 for me to go to high school for four years... why are these people complaining about SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS?
 
2013-07-27 10:27:47 AM
Good. Poor kids shouldnt be educated beyond 6th grade anyway.
 
2013-07-27 10:30:13 AM

miss diminutive: FTA: we were surprised to see this bill from an Illinois school district where it costs $586 to enroll in tenth grade, including $300 for a Chromebook.

I assume this means the school board is going to be offering electronic versions of textbooks in order to cut down on costs and wastage?

The e-textbook argument would be a good one, except, the parent points out, most of the books the district uses aren't available electronically.

Sooo....these Chromebooks are meant for porn and League of Legends?


And watching kids when they're alone in their room.
 
2013-07-27 10:30:18 AM
Who the hell wants to read anything more then a webpage on a Chromebook. If they are going to use them for textbooks then an e-ink device would be a better, cheaper alternate.

Probably loaded with spyware anyway.
 
2013-07-27 10:31:27 AM
I remember my parents having to pay for public high school when I was going (graduated high school in 2005). I live in Illinois as well.
 
2013-07-27 10:32:24 AM

Fear_and_Loathing: Our HS required students buy a $125.00 Sci Calculator.


That's a graphing calculator, not a scientific calculator. Or you're being supremely ripped off.
 
2013-07-27 10:33:59 AM
perhaps there should some sort of arrangement where students could take out loans to cover tuition and supplies, with a payback that's deferred until they enter the workforce
 
2013-07-27 10:35:50 AM
If you didn't pay, would they kick your kid outta school?
And the ChromeBook is yours to keep, right?
Any invoice with hand-written notation is suspect.
 
2013-07-27 10:36:25 AM

Verrai: Fear_and_Loathing: Our HS required students buy a $125.00 Sci Calculator.

That's a graphing calculator, not a scientific calculator. Or you're being supremely ripped off.


I think for some, the terms have become synonymous, which is where the author of TFA, or the response from the school district seems to make the same confusion.  I know I had to have a $90 graphing calculator for high school 18 years ago, but personally I think the schools would do better to keep the graphing calculator usage to a minimum.  Have a set available for use in the classroom for some problems and the occasional test problem.  Everything in high school math should be doable without them, and would lead to better comprehension without leaning on them, in my opinion.
 
2013-07-27 10:36:32 AM

edmo: No matter how they frame it, it's just another example of ever increasing taxes.


But on the bright side, by shafting the poor and middle class we're able to boost corporate profits and expand the wealth gap.
 
2013-07-27 10:37:16 AM

msP: I don't get it... it cost almost $50,000 for me to go to high school for four years... why are these people complaining about SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS?


Ooh this is a good one. You should get a lot of bites.
 
2013-07-27 10:37:43 AM
It costs us $500 in various lab fees and necessities every year for our daughter to go to school. Suburban Columbus Ohio. And yea reporter doesn't know what a calculator costs.
 
2013-07-27 10:41:08 AM

rkiller1: If you didn't pay, would they kick your kid outta school?


I've always wondered about that. Don't have any kids of my own, so I can't field test the problem.

"No school system sanctioned computer, kid? Sorry, no education for you!"

/ don't see how any of these "fees" are legal
 
2013-07-27 10:41:11 AM
Probably a school in a rich suburb - one of those communities that used to have sundown laws so that there are few poor minorities.

If the school district hadn't been obscured we probably could find for which cases the fees are waived.
 
2013-07-27 10:52:34 AM
We just pay enormous property taxes. Much better!

/$3500 a year for the school district
//it was just "reassessed" to increase 30%
///I'd better not pay crap when my kids start
 
2013-07-27 10:53:45 AM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: Verrai: Fear_and_Loathing: Our HS required students buy a $125.00 Sci Calculator.

That's a graphing calculator, not a scientific calculator. Or you're being supremely ripped off.

I think for some, the terms have become synonymous, which is where the author of TFA, or the response from the school district seems to make the same confusion.  I know I had to have a $90 graphing calculator for high school 18 years ago, but personally I think the schools would do better to keep the graphing calculator usage to a minimum.  Have a set available for use in the classroom for some problems and the occasional test problem.  Everything in high school math should be doable without them, and would lead to better comprehension without leaning on them, in my opinion.


This. I don't know how it is at other universities, but the university I attend has been moving away from them and now only allows them in entry level (Intermediate Algebra, College Algebra) courses. After that, no calculators allowed on exams or quizzes. People who spent their whole career using graphing calculators tend to struggle with the concept that you might be expected to learn a formula or have an idea of what the graph of a function should look like without punching it in to your TI.

I'm really old and missed out on having graphing calculators in HS, and didn't go back to school until now, so I had a hell of a time learning to use the damn thing when I did have it available to me.

/Our math department seems to be run by sadists
//I do feel I understand the material better when I have to do it myself with some simple numbers
///$600 in fees for HS is crazy
 
2013-07-27 10:54:02 AM
Check this out. This is part of the reason. The top 200 salaries range from $200K to nearly $360K for administrators (mostly superintendents & assistant superintendents) for what? Principals are in the low $100K range and the teachers may hit $100K after 30 years of service if they're lucky. Education funds are going to do-nothing administrators instead of teachers and students.
 
2013-07-27 10:56:02 AM

Broktun: Fear_and_Loathing: Our HS required students buy a $125.00 Sci Calculator.

But TFA says:  What do scientific calculators run now, ten to twenty bucks?

Dumbass reporter is dumbass


Nope. The reporter is correct. When scientific calculators were originally marketed they were quite expensive, as is common with new technology. For example, when DVD players first came on the market in the latter part of the 1990s the price was close to $1,000. Now you can get one for less than $50.
 
2013-07-27 10:59:05 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Nope. The reporter is correct. When scientific calculators were originally marketed they were quite expensive, as is common with new technology. For example, when DVD players first came on the market in the latter part of the 1990s the price was close to $1,000. Now you can get one for less than $50 $20.


FTFY
 
2013-07-27 11:00:55 AM

Churchill2004: miss diminutive: FTA: we were surprised to see this bill from an Illinois school district where it costs $586 to enroll in tenth grade, including $300 for a Chromebook.

I assume this means the school board is going to be offering electronic versions of textbooks in order to cut down on costs and wastage?

The e-textbook argument would be a good one, except, the parent points out, most of the books the district uses aren't available electronically.

Sooo....these Chromebooks are meant for porn and League of Legends?

And watching kids when they're alone in their room.


But, hey, that's what sysadmins are for, taking the fall, paying off the families, and getting your cronies to bury the papertrail. Everyone who should be in jail is out free.

/God bless Pennsyltucky
 
2013-07-27 11:02:48 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Broktun: Fear_and_Loathing: Our HS required students buy a $125.00 Sci Calculator.

But TFA says:  What do scientific calculators run now, ten to twenty bucks?

Dumbass reporter is dumbass

Nope. The reporter is correct. When scientific calculators were originally marketed they were quite expensive, as is common with new technology. For example, when DVD players first came on the market in the latter part of the 1990s the price was close to $1,000. Now you can get one for less than $50.


I was thinking of a graphing calculator.  My daughter's 10th thru 12th grade maths required a TI graphing calculator.  I think it was $120.00, 2 years ago.
 
2013-07-27 11:02:50 AM

msP: I don't get it... it cost almost $50,000 for me to go to high school for four years... why are these people complaining about SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS?


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Quite.
 
2013-07-27 11:09:14 AM

Broktun: I was thinking of a graphing calculator.  My daughter's 10th thru 12th grade maths required a TI graphing calculator.  I think it was $120.00, 2 years ago.


They're under $100 now ($80 and up), but who needs a calculator AND a Chromebook? There's a perfectly good graphing calculator app for Chrome
 
2013-07-27 11:14:15 AM
This school resides in Park Ridge, a town where a 2 bedroom ranch will run you about $400,000.  The median house hold income is over $80,000.  I graduated from one of the other schools in the district in 1999 and book/fees were running about $400.  An increase of 200 in 15 years isn't really a big deal.  Especially at a high school were the cars parked in the student lot are nicer than the teachers lot.
 
2013-07-27 11:18:06 AM

Broktun: Bathia_Mapes: Broktun: Fear_and_Loathing: Our HS required students buy a $125.00 Sci Calculator.

But TFA says:  What do scientific calculators run now, ten to twenty bucks?

Dumbass reporter is dumbass

Nope. The reporter is correct. When scientific calculators were originally marketed they were quite expensive, as is common with new technology. For example, when DVD players first came on the market in the latter part of the 1990s the price was close to $1,000. Now you can get one for less than $50.

I was thinking of a graphing calculator.  My daughter's 10th thru 12th grade maths required a TI graphing calculator.  I think it was $120.00, 2 years ago.


My graphic calculator of choice during school was the TI-89. When I got it over a decade ago, it was about $150. Now, it's around $120-$140. There's no way they should still be that expensive. That's textbook-level markup there.

Loved my 89 in college. Unfortunately it did result in me being incredibly lazy when it came to unit conversions and learning integrals.
 
2013-07-27 11:19:22 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Broktun: Fear_and_Loathing: Our HS required students buy a $125.00 Sci Calculator.

But TFA says:  What do scientific calculators run now, ten to twenty bucks?

Dumbass reporter is dumbass

Nope. The reporter is correct. When scientific calculators were originally marketed they were quite expensive, as is common with new technology. For example, when DVD players first came on the market in the latter part of the 1990s the price was close to $1,000. Now you can get one for less than $50.


TI does have quite the racket going with graphing calculators.  They seem to be the standard that most schools go with, so you either buy the model the school suggests or the instructions won't work with your unit.  Compared to other technology products where specs have increased dramatically or prices have dropped dramatically, it seems that those calculators are floating around the same $100 price point today as they did back in '95 when I had to buy one for HS, with about the same specs.
 
2013-07-27 11:19:52 AM

Broktun: Fear_and_Loathing: Our HS required students buy a $125.00 Sci Calculator.

But TFA says:  What do scientific calculators run now, ten to twenty bucks?

Dumbass reporter is dumbass


And E-book textbooks are only marginally cheaper than the physical book. PLUS you can't reuse them...So enjoy buying a new one in six months!
 
2013-07-27 11:22:57 AM
You're lucky that people like me are subsidizing your rotten little crotch fruits education or it would be a lot more. Quit biatching you entitled asshole.
 
2013-07-27 11:23:12 AM
Our daughter's public school in Los Angeles STRONGLY asks for a $1,000 donation per kid, per academic year (like, they're pretty insistent and apply lots of sales pressure on the parents).  And people pay it.  The PGA (the equivalent of the PTA) raised more than $1,000/kid on average, and the PGA claims more than 98% of families gave.  Yes, our family also gave $1,000.  Still far cheaper than private school tuition.

The money is used to pay the P.E. instructor, music teacher, science teacher, and to pay for the kindergarten classes to have dedicated teacher's aides in each room.  In addition, the money paid for a fourth kindergarten teacher so that they could keep the student-to-teacher ratio as low as possible.  The kids get a much education because the parents give so much.

Of course, we live in Brentwood, a relatively wealthy area, so most everyone around here can afford the $1,000.

/drtfa
 
2013-07-27 11:23:53 AM

Moodybastard: Broktun: Fear_and_Loathing: Our HS required students buy a $125.00 Sci Calculator.

But TFA says:  What do scientific calculators run now, ten to twenty bucks?

Dumbass reporter is dumbass

And E-book textbooks are only marginally cheaper than the physical book. PLUS you can't reuse them...So enjoy buying a new one in six months!


That's just the natural progression of the yearly 'new editions' that change just enough to make it so you can't sell it to the bookstore or incoming students.
 
2013-07-27 11:25:45 AM

msP: I don't get it... it cost almost $50,000 for me to go to high school for four years... why are these people complaining about SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS?


Only $50k for 4 years?  The private school I work at is now up to $30k per YEAR for full tuition.  However, we have a very generous aid program that's need-based only and most people don't pay that much, only rich folks pay that much.  If you can't afford anything, you won't pay anything.
 
2013-07-27 11:26:10 AM

DarwiOdrade: Broktun: I was thinking of a graphing calculator.  My daughter's 10th thru 12th grade maths required a TI graphing calculator.  I think it was $120.00, 2 years ago.

They're under $100 now ($80 and up), but who needs a calculator AND a Chromebook? There's a perfectly good graphing calculator app for Chrome


TFA doesn't say they have to buy both, specifically, the Chrome book replaces the calculator.  Someone in this thread said they were required to buy a $125 scientific calculator for HS.  You put 2 and 2 together to get potato
 
2013-07-27 11:27:17 AM

FizixJunkee: Our daughter's public school in Los Angeles STRONGLY asks for a $1,000 donation per kid, per academic year (like, they're pretty insistent and apply lots of sales pressure on the parents).  And people pay it.  The PGA (the equivalent of the PTA) raised more than $1,000/kid on average, and the PGA claims more than 98% of families gave.  Yes, our family also gave $1,000.  Still far cheaper than private school tuition.

The money is used to pay the P.E. instructor, music teacher, science teacher, and to pay for the kindergarten classes to have dedicated teacher's aides in each room.  In addition, the money paid for a fourth kindergarten teacher so that they could keep the student-to-teacher ratio as low as possible.  The kids get a much education because the parents give so much.

Of course, we live in Brentwood, a relatively wealthy area, so most everyone around here can afford the $1,000.

/drtfa


Pretty sad that extra money in the form of donations is needed to hire a science teacher.
 
2013-07-27 11:29:02 AM
I really hate when schools do the stupid "Give kids a computer and charge for it," thing. The university I work at does that. We have some Mactards in administration so they decided the honours students should be given iPads... Of course be "give" they mean "Issued one and charged for it in their fees, with no way to opt out." However they try and spin it as a "benefit" as though it isn't ultimately the students, or their scholarships, that are paying.

It is even funnier since precisely zero classes require an iPad, or any kind of tablet, and most classes that do need computers for something need software that doesn't run on tablets. It is purely a "Ooooo shiny technology!" thing with no thought as to if it actually helps the students. If ti truly was "free" like Apple was giving them to us, fine, but all it really does is raise tuition that much more.

At least we are a university, so you can always say "fark you" and go somewhere else. Not such an option with public primary school.
 
2013-07-27 11:33:49 AM
NeoCortex42:

Pretty sad that extra money in the form of donations is needed to hire a science teacher.

The science teacher is a very good instructor, and has her own classroom/lab (she only teaches science).  The science curriculum is very strong, very hands-on.  We're happy to pay $1,000 to ensure our kid gets a quality [public] education.

I just feel bad for the poor parents whose kids attend schools where everyone can't afford $1,000 per kid, per year.  Those are the schools with 32 kindergarten kids in a classroom, and no aides, no science, PE, or music teachers.   Those kids' educations are going to suffer.
 
2013-07-27 11:37:08 AM

msP: I don't get it... it cost almost $50,000 for me to go to high school for four years... why are these people complaining about SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS?


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2013-07-27 11:42:15 AM

OregonVet: Most parents spend more than that on alcohol each month.


So you are OK with the government deciding how you will spend your money.  Ordering you to apply your meager spending power on something you might not feel you need.  Taking away your ability to afford the simple pleasures that make life worth living.
 
2013-07-27 11:43:46 AM

sycraft: Not such an option with public primary school.


Wrong.  There are at least two other options.
 
2013-07-27 11:46:41 AM
If we truly returned to the freedoms and rights embedded in the constitution, this crap wouldn't happen. Illinois' constitution states:

Education in public schools through the secondary level shall be free.
 
2013-07-27 11:47:55 AM

sycraft: I really hate when schools do the stupid "Give kids a computer and charge for it," thing


This. A macbook was required for my brother's major.  Four years later and they've used nothing that actually requires OS X.  Even worse, some of the school's web apps required ActiveX.  The laptop's battery didn't even last for four years anyway.

Ex girlfriend had a similar situation, though hers was an overpriced piece-of-crap wintel laptop with a second partition for secure test taking without public internet access (as though the student couldn't just go on the internet on their roomate's laptop or on their own desktop while taking the test).
 
2013-07-27 11:48:07 AM
WTF do you kids need a graphing calculator for anyway?  Is plotting points on a paper with grid too hard?

I took 2 years of algebra and one of calculus in high school and nobody had a graphing calculator.
 
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