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(BBC)   Archbishop Desmond Tutu would rather go to hell than to a homophobic heaven   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 202
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2013-07-28 05:16:56 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: grumpfuff: Smackledorfer: grumpfuff: MerelyFoolish: Please, please, please - stop using the word homophobic.   No one is afraid of homosexuals - except maybe a few Catholic alterboys.

We are not afraid of them - as the word implies.  So the word is insulting each time I hear it.  I am not a homosexual and I do not fear them.  I fully support their right to happily and joyfully find partners and marry.   They should have partner rights.  I appreciate the fact that we are different and feel that it is important to allow them all of the freedoms granted to heterosexuals.

With attitude like that, no one should be calling you homophobic. There's a major difference between "I personally don't like it but they should have all the same rights," and "Gays are icky and shouldn't get married because (fake) reasons."

That being said, if people are calling you homophobic, it calls for a Jon-Stewart-You're-Not-Helping type thing.

Aside from changing usage of the word as has been thoroughly covered including dictionary definitions which would apply to his views of gays so much as kissing, the reason he is called a homophobe is because he seems to go through the day actively complaining about gays and then paying lip service to their rights.

Meh, I admit I only gave his post a quick read. If what you say is true..yea, homophobe. Own it, buddy.

Just like Cheney "I don't like gays but I'm not a homophobe because reasons" World up thread.

Yeah, because saying I don't approve of homosexuality is exactly the same as beating a homosexual to death with a baseball bat. Interesting how you people insist in making this all about hatred, when we repeatedly tell you that hatred doesn't exist here.  Sorry to godwin the thread, but you're taking a page out of someone's playbook.

"Hate is more lasting than dislike" - Adolph Hitler


When you give an actual reason for a LEGITIMATE reason for disapproving of homosexuality, then I will gladly admit to being wrong and retract my accusation. And to be honest, I don't hate you. If anything, I feel sorry for you. You might be a great guy overall in real life. Here's a hint. Calling you a homophobe does not mean I hate you.
 
2013-07-28 05:26:00 PM

Shedim: grumpfuff: I know you didn't ask me, but I can answer for you. Short answer - depends entirely on which branch of Christianity you're talking about. I forget where exactly, but somewhere Jesus basically says he did not come to replace the laws. So, some groups point to that and say ALL the laws are still needed. On the other end, some say Jesus replaced all of them - I know of at least one school of theology that Jesus dying on the cross removed original sin as well, rendering most of the laws unnecessary(as well as baptism and a few other things). Then you can find things on pretty much any point of the spectrum between the two.

So yea..basically...it depends?

Thanks for answering. I read about it from here and I just wanted to get another source. I was only half-expecting STRYPWERSWINE to answer me (or even acknowledge they'd read my query in the first place).

I'm surprised at how many people are using argumentum ad dictionarium in this thread. Maybe it's the only "argument" they feel they have left...


Gave it a quick read. Not a huge fan of RW but it seems mostly correct. I'd disagree with some details, ie there's never really been a consensus on what can ignored and what can't. It all depends on who you ask. There is literally a world of literature about just this question out there if you're really curious.
 
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