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2013-07-27 10:51:56 AM

06Wahoo: Great, thanks, nice to see that is cleared up.


I'm going to farky you as a bravenewcheneyworld alt
 
2013-07-27 10:54:43 AM

Kiwimann: BraveNewCheneyWorld: jchuffyman: BraveNewCheneyWorld: You can disapprove of homosexuality without being homophobic.

I disapprove of homosexuality in the sense that I would never engage in homosexual acts...because I'm not gay. Disapproving of other people doing it? Yeah, you're a bigot and a homophobe

I disapprove of people getting face tattoos, but I don't hate them if they do, nor do I fear them.  But keep up that willful ignorance if it makes you feel like a better social justice warrior of the internet!


Do you "disapprove" of people being black?  Just curious.


Blackness isn't an activity, gay sex is.  Your comparison is stupid.

Confabulat: BraveNewCheneyWorld: The webster definition AGAIN..  : irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against

Sorry, that doesn't mean disapproval.  You lose, now go take your derp and shiat all over some other thread with your ignorant twaddle.

I haven't lost anything, dude.


The moment you decided to hinge your argument on the idea that your personal misunderstanding of the word "phobia" trumps the rest of the world's understanding of the word, yeah, you lost.

 However, you've been a pretty interesting case subject on the backwards confused dimwits on the wrong side of history who never heard of gay rights until the read about it online. That's you, right? Never had any close gay friends in your life? Never seen the struggles they've been going through? Cause I'm straight, but I've grown up around gay people my whole life and for me, this is a very personal subject.

You really never had any gay friends, huh? Was that because they were too scared to tell you, or because you were busy beating them up?


I've known several gay people in my life.  I got along with a few and hung out with them on occasion.  In fact, I remember one of them specifically commenting one time that he thought the idea of sex with a woman was disgusting, which didn't bother me in the slightest (in fact I found it fairly amusing), and he understood that I had the same opinion about his activities.   It's called being an adult.  We can find each other's preferences repellent, and still hang out for drinks without punching each other, as you seem to believe is necessary.  Honestly, I feel sorry for you and your obvious lack of emotional development.  "Disapproval" only seems to be linked to "fear" and "hatred" because you think like a child.

You want to fight over the vague meanings of various words, when the fact is, you're still an really shocking example of American ignorance in 2013. I think I'll let you obsess over your little wordplay if it comforts you.

Yeah, keep farking that chicken.  How do you expect to effectively communicate if you decide words mean something other than what everyone else knows they mean?
 
2013-07-27 10:58:23 AM

Voiceofreason01: 06Wahoo: Great, thanks, nice to see that is cleared up.

I'm going to farky you as a bravenewcheneyworld alt


I give permission to the mods to confirm or deny this for you.  Let us know how it goes.

Oh, and don't forget to stock up on tinfoil.  Because if 2 people in a thread disagree with you, it's obviously a conspiracy.
 
2013-07-27 11:04:00 AM
BraveNewCheneyWorld:  Because if 2 people in a thread disagree with you....

"I'm not a bigot because I don't "hate" hate gay people" is not something I'd classify as a rational argument
 
2013-07-27 11:05:00 AM

Voiceofreason01: Ecaps: I'd still rather break bread with Dawkins than Desmond Tutu, to be honest.

because bigotry is OK when it's against Christians


sigh
 
2013-07-27 11:06:30 AM

Confabulat: And I looked up "homophobia" in Merriam-Webster just out of curiosity:


Definition of HOMOPHOBIA: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.So if you disapprove of homosexuality, how are you not homophobic, exactly? Do you have a rational reason?


Well a big reason would be that a "phobia" is a medical condition pertaining specifically to fear with the accompanying physical syptoms. Disagreeing with something is not.
 
2013-07-27 11:16:59 AM
"If two people can attack you by loving each other you're not a "real man," you're a Care Bear villain."

- Luke McKinney
 
2013-07-27 11:22:56 AM

taurusowner: Confabulat: And I looked up "homophobia" in Merriam-Webster just out of curiosity:


Definition of HOMOPHOBIA: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.So if you disapprove of homosexuality, how are you not homophobic, exactly? Do you have a rational reason?

Well a big reason would be that a "phobia" is a medical condition pertaining specifically to fear with the accompanying physical syptoms.


It also refers to irrational aversion.

Disagreeing with something is not.

What exactly does it mean to "disagree" with homosexuality? Is that like disagreeing with the color green? Or disagreeing with being left handed?

If it just means you don't like having sex with men, then I think your disagreement is 100% supported by everyone across the political spectrum. If you mean you "disagree" with other men or women who think they have the right to consensually love each other, then you're an asshole. There's no other way to put it.
 
2013-07-27 11:23:34 AM

06Wahoo: No one can suggest that a homosexual is acting on choice,


The suggestion it is a choice is pretty well nothing but an attempt to dehumanize people. Also a gay virgin is as gay as one who sleeps with anyone that moves. All the talk about acting is completely pointless, a homosexual is a homosexual. Case closed.
 
2013-07-27 11:25:09 AM

SpankMeJohnny: This has to be a touch one for the Farklibs. Do you hate him because he is Christian or love him because he likes the gays?


Not tough at all. He's a human being who inherently has dignity, and he recognizes that all people regardless of sexual orientation and gender expression have dignity. Taking a principled stand like this deserves praise.
 
2013-07-27 11:28:14 AM

SpankMeJohnny: This has to be a touch one for the Farklibs. Do you hate him because he is Christian or love him because he likes the gays?


you're aware that Tutu is a raging liberal right?
 
2013-07-27 11:29:11 AM

letrole: Tolerance does not equal Acceptance

It is more than a bit disingenuous to claim moral superiority because you accept or approve of something.

"Oh yeah, I think the things that I like are just nifty, and that makes me a good person", as it were.

The real moral winner is the fellow who does not approve, who does not accept, yet still tolerates the things that he does not approve or accept.

But the majority of the posters here would seem to demand that nothing short of full acceptance and approval of homosexuality will do. The amusing thing is that these posters don't view themselves as bigots -- they consider themselves quite open-minded.


Trolling is learned behavior.
 
2013-07-27 11:33:52 AM

SpankMeJohnny: This has to be a touch one for the Farklibs. Do you hate him because he is Christian or love him because he likes the gays?


You're projecting. The need to prejudge others based on preexisting narratives is your defect, not ours.
 
2013-07-27 11:34:57 AM

Hickory-smoked: taurusowner: Confabulat: And I looked up "homophobia" in Merriam-Webster just out of curiosity:


Definition of HOMOPHOBIA: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.So if you disapprove of homosexuality, how are you not homophobic, exactly? Do you have a rational reason?

Well a big reason would be that a "phobia" is a medical condition pertaining specifically to fear with the accompanying physical syptoms.

It also refers to irrational aversion.

Disagreeing with something is not.

What exactly does it mean to "disagree" with homosexuality? Is that like disagreeing with the color green? Or disagreeing with being left handed?

If it just means you don't like having sex with men, then I think your disagreement is 100% supported by everyone across the political spectrum. If you mean you "disagree" with other men or women who think they have the right to consensually love each other, then you're an asshole. There's no other way to put it.


There are a lot of people who are virulently anti-gay and like policies like Cuccinelli's attempt to ban homosexual sodomy but simultaneously say they love gay people. I've asked them how they are showing love to gay people if not by banning them from the only sexual activity they desire. They have no response as of yet.
 
2013-07-27 11:43:21 AM

taurusowner: Confabulat: And I looked up "homophobia" in Merriam-Webster just out of curiosity:


Definition of HOMOPHOBIA: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.So if you disapprove of homosexuality, how are you not homophobic, exactly? Do you have a rational reason?

Well a big reason would be that a "phobia" is a medical condition pertaining specifically to fear with the accompanying physical syptoms. Disagreeing with something is not.


Homopathy seems more appropriate.
 
2013-07-27 11:46:17 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: gottagopee: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Shedim: BraveNewCheneyWorld: You can disapprove of homosexuality without being homophobic.

How?

Look up the definition of homophobic.  It should be pretty damn apparent if you have an IQ above 80

'HomoPHOBIC', darlin', implies that you fear homosexuality, either your own or others'. It should be pretty apparent to anyone with an IQ above 80 that common usage of word has impact at least as great as strict dictionary definition.  Now go wipe your chin and and rephrase.

Disapproval isn't a phobia.  But thanks for proving that the people on your side don't know what the hell they're talking about, even though you failed to follow the conversation and thought I was the one in need of correction.

Confabulat: gottagopee: It should be pretty apparent to anyone with an IQ above 80 that common usage of word has impact at least as great as strict dictionary definition.

Dictionary definitions usually come from societal use, not the other way around. Language is always changing. The homophobes like to claim the word still means what it did in psychology texts in 1950, but it's long gone past that, and Merriam-Webster backs that up.

They just don't like being called cowards, cause then maybe the other boys will think they are queer.

The webster definition AGAIN..  : irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against

Sorry, that doesn't mean disapproval.  You lose, now go take your derp and shiat all over some other thread with your ignorant twaddle.


Mirriam-Webster Thesaurus:
1a dislike so strong as to cause stomach upset or queasiness <I simply have this ingrained aversion to the sight of bloodshed>  Related Words  Disapproval.
2 a strong feeling of not liking or approving <couldn't overcome her aversion to her brother-in-law and pointedly avoided his company>
 
2013-07-27 11:55:24 AM
I like when it comes to words like phobia and theory, conservatives decide that words are allowed to have one strict definition and one definition only, ignoring common usage and any other recognized definition. Specifically with homophobia, it has very commonly meant any negative feeling or attitude towards homosexuals, despite the roots of the word. It reminds me of the rednecks that live near me who try to claim (falsely) that the n-word originally meant something other than a black person, so they were not being racist by calling black people that all the time.
 
2013-07-27 11:58:38 AM

log_jammin: DerAppie: log_jammin: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Ah, so we can only disapprove of things that directly affect us?

I asked why you would care since it is none of your business. are you claiming it is your business?

By your logic I am completely validated in my non-interest in the fact that last month a lesbian was found dead, having been sexually assaulted with a toilet brush. It is always good to know that people I do not see, hear or smell and thus do not affect me in any way do not matter. Thanks.

so a gay couple kissing is just like a person being sexually assaulted. got it.


No, things that don't affect me are things that don't affect me. And you know what? It doesn't affect you either, yet you still have an opinion on the matter (and probably felt at least some slight offence when reading my statement). Why are you making it your business? Or are we only allowed to make judgements on behaviour that are the same as your judgement?

Just accept the fact that humans judge the hell out of everyone and everything whether they are affected by it or not. Some things are extreme (like my intended to offend example about the assault) and something are minor (like thinking that someone with a face tattoo is an idiot). Saying that we only get to approve or disapprove of things that affect us is counter to how the human psyche works. At the end of the day all that matters is what people do, not what they think. So someone disapproves of homosexuals, as long as their isn't active discrimination going on it shouldn't matter.
 
2013-07-27 11:59:49 AM

Hickory-smoked: If it just means you don't like having sex with men, then I think your disagreement is 100% supported by everyone across the political spectrum. If you mean you "disagree" with other men or women who think they have the right to consensually love each other, then you're an asshole. There's no other way to put it.


There are people who don't like to use heroin, but think it should be legal, and there are people who don't use heroin and think it should be illegal.  Neither one of those groups is necessarily being led by hatred or bigotry, and neither one is inherently an "asshole" because of the views they hold.  It's a shame that you can't see how your logic would (not) apply to many similar consensual activities.  How can you claim to be fighting for tolerance, when you are intolerant of those who do nothing more than disagree?
 
2013-07-27 12:02:56 PM
DerAppie: So someone disapproves of homosexuals, as long as their isn't active discrimination going on it shouldn't matter.

There are people around Southwest Virginia I've met who still think interracial marriage is a sin. Not just old farts, but people in their twenties. Now, they aren't actively discriminating against interracial couples or preventing them from marrying, but I still call them bigoted, racist assholes.
 
2013-07-27 12:05:32 PM
So, would anyone like to explain how folks you don't know, who aren't in your social circle, not even members of your church, or otherwise near you, save in the most nebulous sense in that they share air with you, loving one another, in any way, shape, or form, injures you? Affects you in any way, other than the knowledge that they exist? Do you likewise opposed fat folks who find someone? What about mixed race couples? Folks who might be of differing faiths who find one another appealing, but who don't belong to your own?

Please, do go on. Tell us how these awful people affect you. Please, do go on.

Personally, I don't care, because what folks do behind closed doors, in the comfort of their own homes, or even in a club I don't attend, isn't any of my damn business. The only time it becomes anyone else's business is when there is harm involved--as in abuse--or lack of consent. So long as folks are all consenting adults, even if it is something that I find distasteful, such as Furries--who I will admit creep ME the f*ck out--so long as everyone involved are consenting adults, it's none of my business. Plain and simple. I got this way because my Grandma raised me to not be a Nosey Nellie. Call it an affliction passed on, and I somehow survive in today's society, despite being apparently crippled by this familial tradition...

Don't like it? Don't eat it. But never mind what anyone else has on their plates. Worked when you were five, and it still works today.
 
2013-07-27 12:08:20 PM
The Italian Farker:
Mirriam-Webster Thesaurus:
1a dislike so strong as to cause stomach upset or queasiness <I simply have this ingrained aversion to the sight of bloodshed>  Related Words  Disapproval.
2 a strong feeling of not liking or approving <couldn't overcome her aversion to her brother-in-law and pointedly avoided his company>


^ Thinks synonyms, and the included example sentences of synonyms must all mean exactly the same thing.

I would have thought that the fact that you included 2 examples with differing meanings would have tipped you off to the fact that your post is ridiculous, and you would have reconsidered hitting "add comment", but I guess not.
 
2013-07-27 12:10:24 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: You can disapprove of homosexuality without being homophobic.


Translates to:  I have irrational issues with gay people and sex, but I'm NOT A BIGOT DAMMIT!!
 
2013-07-27 12:12:48 PM
Why isn't there a meme of Desmond Tutu wearing a tutu?

/too lazy to make my own
 
2013-07-27 12:17:01 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Hickory-smoked: If it just means you don't like having sex with men, then I think your disagreement is 100% supported by everyone across the political spectrum. If you mean you "disagree" with other men or women who think they have the right to consensually love each other, then you're an asshole. There's no other way to put it.

There are people who don't like to use heroin, but think it should be legal, and there are people who don't use heroin and think it should be illegal.  Neither one of those groups is necessarily being led by hatred or bigotry, and neither one is inherently an "asshole" because of the views they hold.  It's a shame that you can't see how your logic would (not) apply to many similar consensual activities.  How can you claim to be fighting for tolerance, when you are intolerant of those who do nothing more than disagree?


Do you think it should be legal for a gay couple to have consensual sexual relations? Do you think a gay couple should be able to legally marry each other? Do you think that for-profit corporations should be able to fire gay people because they don't want gay people to work for them?
 
2013-07-27 12:18:26 PM

hubiestubert: So, would anyone like to explain how folks you don't know, who aren't in your social circle, not even members of your church, or otherwise near you, save in the most nebulous sense in that they share air with you, loving one another, in any way, shape, or form, injures you?


How does my expression of an opinion injure you?

Graffito: BraveNewCheneyWorld: You can disapprove of homosexuality without being homophobic.

Translates to:  I have irrational issues with gay people and sex, but I'm NOT A BIGOT DAMMIT!!


I see you have the current edition of the English to "Social Justice Warrior" dictionary.
 
2013-07-27 12:37:06 PM
why don't we just get rid of jails completely.  then there'd be no more violence.  a nice place like Dubai
 
2013-07-27 12:38:04 PM

hubiestubert: Confabulat: ginandbacon: I think homosexuality is illegal in all of those countries but I have a lot of gay friends that have had wonderful vacations in Morocco. (Admittedly not lately.) They are all predominantly Muslim I believe except for Ethiopia and Eritrea? It still seems odd to not include them in "a map of Africa."

I dunno though. The wording is poor but Africa is really really really big. At some point you have to scale in further or you may as well just put everything on there and call it Earth. It's not like the USA or Australia or Russia or China or Canada or other big places either, at least those places are united by a single government. These are small volatile nations that probably have a million blood disputes with each other, or they don't even know each other exist. Even the countries listed have about zero in common with each other after awhile, I'm quite sure.

It seems kind of pointless to lump them all together anyway.

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Big doesn't begin to really to do the scale justice. The Sahara alone is nearly the size of the entire US. 3.3 million square miles versus the US' 3.79 million. Yeah, it makes the South West's desert look like a blip.

Good on the Archbishop.


WHOA. That map is amazing. Thank you for posting it.

Also, this thread got weird.
 
2013-07-27 12:46:29 PM

ginandbacon: Also, this thread got weird.


When you get down to folks playing the grammar card to defend their own bigotry, yeah, it's fair f*cked. And not in the bit of slap and tickle of the British public school fashion either...
 
2013-07-27 01:04:41 PM
I enjoy how the bigot in the thread keeps being trollish toward people when they respond and ask questions about his stance, yet doesn't actually refute what they said, at all. Good jorb there buddy. Keep on keeping on. You're marked as a bigot in my farkies now.
 
2013-07-27 01:05:00 PM

hubiestubert: ginandbacon: Also, this thread got weird.

When you get down to folks playing the grammar card to defend their own bigotry, yeah, it's fair f*cked. And not in the bit of slap and tickle of the British public school fashion either...


Right? Holy twisted verbiage!
 
2013-07-27 01:12:37 PM

Shedim: wildcardjack: Succinct and to the point, but that's assuming one has a delusional feeling of connection to Harry Potter.

Thanks. I believe it would have had a lot more of an effect in the 14th century (when Dante wrote it) compared to now. It's main effect nowadays is being one of the two sources people go to for depictions of Hell (Milton being the other one).

On a vaguely related note, would any Catholics here know if the Catholic Church still considers suicide a mortal sin (i.e. go to Hell, go directly to Hell, do not pass Go, do not collect $200)?


No. Due to the Advent of Psychology they now say that anyone with a mental disease pretty much gets a free pass. So if you kill yourself it doesn't count against you and gives you bonus points as you were suffering. So Down's syndrome, Autsim, mental retardation, or any other disease that makes a person unable to understand religion and Catholicism doesn't go to hell.
 
2013-07-27 01:14:31 PM

hubiestubert: ginandbacon: Also, this thread got weird.

When you get down to folks playing the grammar card to defend their own bigotry, yeah, it's fair f*cked. And not in the bit of slap and tickle of the British public school fashion either...


Me: I shower because I don't like to smell bad, and I disapprove of people who smell bad.
You: You're a bromidrosiphobe!
Me: No, I'm not afraid of smelling bad.  I think you should probably look up that word, you don't seem to know what it means.
You: YOU'RE PLAYING THE GRAMMAR CARD!
 
2013-07-27 01:20:31 PM

druiid: I enjoy how the bigot in the thread keeps being trollish toward people when they respond and ask questions about his stance, yet doesn't actually refute what they said, at all. Good jorb there buddy. Keep on keeping on. You're marked as a bigot in my farkies now.


What's with you people feel the need to tell everyone how they've farkied someone?  Who are you, and why do you think you're important enough for us to care?  You're as useless as the people who post "lol".
 
2013-07-27 01:27:43 PM
I disapprove of homosexuality. I don't like it, I hope my children are straight.

But, I fully support gay marriage.

I defended fellow scouts who were gay and being bullied, twice coming to blows (lol) in their defense. I am currently working to possibly relocate my sons scout troop to a new location thanks to baptist churches views on gays in the scouts.

Two of my best friends growing up were (at best) bisexual.

Tell me I'm homophobic and I will tell you to go fark yourself.

//also disapproves of ketchup on hotdogs, rap, hipsters, and televangelists. I guess that literlly makes me hitler.
 
2013-07-27 01:35:48 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: druiid: I enjoy how the bigot in the thread keeps being trollish toward people when they respond and ask questions about his stance, yet doesn't actually refute what they said, at all. Good jorb there buddy. Keep on keeping on. You're marked as a bigot in my farkies now.

What's with you people feel the need to tell everyone how they've farkied someone?  Who are you, and why do you think you're important enough for us to care?  You're as useless as the people who post "lol".


Would you care to respond to my question of whether gay people should be treated legally the same as straight people in terms of being able to have consensual sexual relations, get married to each other, and work without fear of being fired for who they love and who they are married to?
 
2013-07-27 01:48:00 PM

Serious Black: BraveNewCheneyWorld: druiid: I enjoy how the bigot in the thread keeps being trollish toward people when they respond and ask questions about his stance, yet doesn't actually refute what they said, at all. Good jorb there buddy. Keep on keeping on. You're marked as a bigot in my farkies now.

What's with you people feel the need to tell everyone how they've farkied someone?  Who are you, and why do you think you're important enough for us to care?  You're as useless as the people who post "lol".

Would you care to respond to my question of whether gay people should be treated legally the same as straight people in terms of being able to have consensual sexual relations, get married to each other, and work without fear of being fired for who they love and who they are married to?


I'm going to hazard that he won't really, because it gets in the way of folks interfering with the "great freedom" to be dicks to people.

And that's the problem. Like the fact that some folks aren't into the same things that you're into or not, it boils down to basic rights. The freedom of consenting adults to be consenting adults.

You don't want to marry folks in your own church, I have no problem with that. You want to prevent other churches from doing so, then there's issue. Minding your own dang business is the ultimate lesson here, and some folks just can't stand to see others not choosing their own path. Be as hateful and cranky as you want within your own church, preach to the Heavens and all your congregation about the ebbil and sins of folks, but maybe step back a bit when it comes down what consenting adults do with other consenting adults, and maybe step back a bit and consider that "religious freedom" doesn't mean dictating what others can or should do within their own...
 
2013-07-27 01:57:04 PM

druiid: I enjoy how the bigot in the thread keeps being trollish toward people when they respond and ask questions about his stance, yet doesn't actually refute what they said, at all. Good jorb there buddy. Keep on keeping on. You're marked as a bigot in my farkies now.


Exactly, I point out that the word "Disapproval"  is actually a synonym for "Aversion" listed under the Merriam-Webster thesaurus page and all he can say in reply is.

Thinks synonyms, and the included example sentences of synonyms must all mean exactly the same thing.

Then complains that there were two different meanings which is true for several words including "Aversion" but if I had not included the second meaning I probably would have been accused of being selective.

I would have thought that the fact that you included 2 examples with differing meanings would have tipped you off to the fact that your post is ridiculous, and you would have reconsidered hitting "add comment", but I guess not.
 
2013-07-27 02:09:29 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: druiid: I enjoy how the bigot in the thread keeps being trollish toward people when they respond and ask questions about his stance, yet doesn't actually refute what they said, at all. Good jorb there buddy. Keep on keeping on. You're marked as a bigot in my farkies now.

What's with you people feel the need to tell everyone how they've farkied someone?  Who are you, and why do you think you're important enough for us to care?  You're as useless as the people who post "lol".


"Useless"? Who, here, is not "useless"? Do you perform some useful function here, other than being the dumbest asshole in the room most of the time? Of course not. Stop being silly.
 
2013-07-27 02:15:26 PM

keenerb: I disapprove of homosexuality. I don't like it, I hope my children are straight.

But, I fully support gay marriage.

I defended fellow scouts who were gay and being bullied, twice coming to blows (lol) in their defense. I am currently working to possibly relocate my sons scout troop to a new location thanks to baptist churches views on gays in the scouts.

Two of my best friends growing up were (at best) bisexual.

Tell me I'm homophobic and I will tell you to go fark yourself.

//also disapproves of ketchup on hotdogs, rap, hipsters, and televangelists. I guess that literlly makes me hitler.


Of what exactly about homosexuality do you disapprove and dislike? Your actions speak otherwise.
 
2013-07-27 02:17:15 PM

Confabulat: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Shedim: BraveNewCheneyWorld: You can disapprove of homosexuality without being homophobic.

How?

Look up the definition of homophobic.  It should be pretty damn apparent if you have an IQ above 80

This is known as the "Orson Scott Card" argument. It's pretty childish. They like to hide behind dictionary words so they can pretend they aren't bigots.


Why, why is it that every damn time I hear the phrase 'Orson Scott Card' lately, I want to smack the man? I used to  look up to that guy...
 
2013-07-27 02:21:06 PM

keenerb: I disapprove of homosexuality. I don't like it, I hope my children are straight.

But, I fully support gay marriage.

I defended fellow scouts who were gay and being bullied, twice coming to blows (lol) in their defense. I am currently working to possibly relocate my sons scout troop to a new location thanks to baptist churches views on gays in the scouts.

Two of my best friends growing up were (at best) bisexual.

Tell me I'm homophobic and I will tell you to go fark yourself.

//also disapproves of ketchup on hotdogs, rap, hipsters, and televangelists. I guess that literlly makes me hitler.


nobody wants the sentence "i'm happy" meaning "i like taking it up the ass"  but the truth is if your single you better be depressed or else we're raping u
 
2013-07-27 02:37:55 PM

Shedim: BraveNewCheneyWorld: You can disapprove of homosexuality without being homophobic.

How?


It's interesting how often people make that claim and yet never explain how their objections tp, or "disapproval" of, homosexuality doesn't spring from hate or religion.  When asked, they just change the subject or stop talking, in my experience.  Maybe today will be an exception.  We'll see.
 
2013-07-27 02:44:01 PM
I guess it's like my distaste for a lot of things. I just don't care for it, I don't participate in it, seeing two dudes making out at the mall kind of repulses me. I dislike baseball in pretty much the exact same way, except for the making out part. I also want grandkids that are my actual flesh and blood.

But realistically, someone being gay doesn't bother me in the least. It's like someone liking peanut butter and banana sandwiches, or being buddhist; it's not my business, it doesn't affect me, and gay people have every right to do their own thing as much as any other living human being on the planet.

In the scouts, I never thought "hey this kid is being picked on for being gay" it was always simply "hey this kid is being picked on."

Maybe it's some subconscious variation on that idiotic "hate the sin but not the sinner" concept, but not in a religious sense. My church is cool with gay people, even.
 
2013-07-27 02:47:30 PM

Confabulat: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Shedim: BraveNewCheneyWorld: You can disapprove of homosexuality without being homophobic.

How?

Look up the definition of homophobic.  It should be pretty damn apparent if you have an IQ above 80

This is known as the "Orson Scott Card" argument. It's pretty childish. They like to hide behind dictionary words so they can pretend they aren't bigots.


Speaking of Orson Scott Card.... he would very much like us to forget he's a homophobe.
 
2013-07-27 02:49:15 PM

Serious Black: I've asked them how they are showing love to gay people if not by banning them from the only sexual activity they desire.


Better clarify that - there's loads of married heteroFarkmen whose wives have effectively banned them from the only sexual activity they desire, too.
 
2013-07-27 02:56:31 PM

Gulper Eel: Serious Black: I've asked them how they are showing love to gay people if not by banning them from the only sexual activity they desire.

Better clarify that - there's loads of married heteroFarkmen whose wives have effectively banned them from the only sexual activity they desire, too.


Should homosexual sodomy be legally punished by fines and jail time, if not death?
 
2013-07-27 03:05:42 PM

Serious Black: Gulper Eel: Serious Black: I've asked them how they are showing love to gay people if not by banning them from the only sexual activity they desire.

Better clarify that - there's loads of married heteroFarkmen whose wives have effectively banned them from the only sexual activity they desire, too.

Should homosexual sodomy be legally punished by fines and jail time, if not death?


no that will only encourage MORE sodomy.

like how no one would bother looking at child porn if it was legal
 
2013-07-27 03:08:50 PM

Serious Black: Would you care to respond to my question of whether gay people should be treated legally the same as straight people in terms of being able to have consensual sexual relations, get married to each other, and work without fear of being fired for who they love and who they are married to?


They should be able to have relationships.  They shouldn't be able to get married.  They shouldn't have to worry about being fired.

The Italian Farker: Exactly, I point out that the word "Disapproval"  is actually a synonym for "Aversion" listed under the Merriam-Webster thesaurus page and all he can say in reply is.


I'm sorry you don't realize how much you suck at English.  Can a person disapprove of drugs, while being able to tolerate being around them?  Yes, yes they can, and that means that "aversion" as its relevant use, is not applicable.
 
2013-07-27 03:15:16 PM

Serious Black: BraveNewCheneyWorld: druiid: I enjoy how the bigot in the thread keeps being trollish toward people when they respond and ask questions about his stance, yet doesn't actually refute what they said, at all. Good jorb there buddy. Keep on keeping on. You're marked as a bigot in my farkies now.

What's with you people feel the need to tell everyone how they've farkied someone?  Who are you, and why do you think you're important enough for us to care?  You're as useless as the people who post "lol".

Would you care to respond to my question of whether gay people should be treated legally the same as straight people in terms of being able to have consensual sexual relations, get married to each other, and work without fear of being fired for who they love and who they are married to?


That would make far too much sense and not be trollish for him to actually respond to you. Notice how he responded to my comment though, not with any sort of refutation of his behavior and responses, but yet another troll comment. I'd like to say he's just trolling us for fun, but given his profile I'm going to guess he actually believes that gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry, etc. But hey, I'd love to actually see him actually come out and say what he is actually for/against rather than just trolling about use of language.

Maybe I should make it easy for him and give him a multiple choice set of answers:
a) I feel that gay people should not be allowed to marry, or that they should not have the same set of rights as others
b) Whatever people do in their houses is fine, but they shouldn't be allowed to get married because. <Feel free to insert reasoning here>
c) I feel that gay people should be allowed to marry, just as long as it's not to me.
d) I'm disturbed by the idea of people being gay, but as long as they don't try to have sex with me it's fine
e) Gay is a choice and therefore they are just weird and I don't like weird people
f) <Insert answer that is not a troll comment about language and is actually what you believe. Then people can have an actual discussion with you, regardless of what your viewpoint is. Just... friggin have... one.>

There, I made it easy for him.
 
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