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2013-07-26 05:42:28 PM
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Don't you think Moffat looks tired?

/wrap up your storylines for the next showrunner. You need to rest.
 
2013-07-26 06:04:06 PM
oh crap Moffat is going to nuke the universe.
 
2013-07-26 06:06:04 PM
Moffat... he's the guy who either can't keep to his own rules on how bits of his universe work or lies to his viewers about how the rules in his universe work, right?

Yeah. Like he can remember what threads he's left hanging to even begin to tie them all up.
 
2013-07-26 06:20:15 PM
I'm not totally caught up yet, only about 8 episodes of Matt Smith as the doctor in, but I want to know when this loose end is going to be tied up:
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2013-07-26 06:27:18 PM

antidisestablishmentarianism: I'm not totally caught up yet, only about 8 episodes of Matt Smith as the doctor in, but I want to know when this loose end is going to be tied up:
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I would love watching that particular loose end get all tied up.
 
2013-07-26 06:28:10 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: antidisestablishmentarianism: I'm not totally caught up yet, only about 8 episodes of Matt Smith as the doctor in, but I want to know when this loose end is going to be tied up:
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I would love watching that particular loose end get all tied up.


I nominate you. I think you should be the one to do it.
 
2013-07-26 06:44:15 PM
If he dosen't pen anymore episodes with River, exactly when did The Doctor give her this?

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2013-07-26 06:46:28 PM

Pawn takes the King: If he dosen't pen anymore episodes with River, exactly when did The Doctor give her this?

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Not all of The Doctor's adventures with River were televised.
 
2013-07-26 07:32:03 PM

ShawnDoc: Not all of The Doctor's adventures with River were televised.


Well yeah but him giving her the Sonic seems pretty note-worthy. I mean it looks like a patched Tennant sonic which blew up in The 11th Hour so seems like it should make another appearance. Not to mention they went out of their way to show 11's Red setting in Cold War. I dunno I just think it's screen-worthy.
 
2013-07-26 07:36:52 PM

Pawn takes the King: ShawnDoc: Not all of The Doctor's adventures with River were televised.

Well yeah but him giving her the Sonic seems pretty note-worthy. I mean it looks like a patched Tennant sonic which blew up in The 11th Hour so seems like it should make another appearance. Not to mention they went out of their way to show 11's Red setting in Cold War. I dunno I just think it's screen-worthy.


Didn't they hint of him giving it to her in one of those mini webisodes?
 
2013-07-26 07:36:56 PM

unlikely: The Stealth Hippopotamus: antidisestablishmentarianism: I'm not totally caught up yet, only about 8 episodes of Matt Smith as the doctor in, but I want to know when this loose end is going to be tied up:
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I would love watching that particular loose end get all tied up.

I nominate you. I think you should be the one to do it.


Somebody already has that job

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What?   What!
 
2013-07-26 07:40:27 PM

unlikely: The Stealth Hippopotamus: antidisestablishmentarianism: I'm not totally caught up yet, only about 8 episodes of Matt Smith as the doctor in, but I want to know when this loose end is going to be tied up:
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I would love watching that particular loose end get all tied up.

I nominate you. I think you should be the one to do it.


I'm in. We wouldn't survive it, but if you gotta go go with a smile.

It'd be so hot people for a ten mile radius would need a cigarette and a nap.
 
2013-07-26 07:42:07 PM

demonfaerie: Pawn takes the King: ShawnDoc: Not all of The Doctor's adventures with River were televised.

Well yeah but him giving her the Sonic seems pretty note-worthy. I mean it looks like a patched Tennant sonic which blew up in The 11th Hour so seems like it should make another appearance. Not to mention they went out of their way to show 11's Red setting in Cold War. I dunno I just think it's screen-worthy.

Didn't they hint of him giving it to her in one of those mini webisodes?


I don't know, I've always wanted for him to see River one last time, at the Christmas Episode as a dying doctor visits her one last time.  Part of me would love that the Matt Smith Doctor records his personality as well...and both of them end up in the library together.

But it would never happen that way :-(
 
2013-07-26 07:42:49 PM

antidisestablishmentarianism: I'm not totally caught up yet, only about 8 episodes of Matt Smith as the doctor in, but I want to know when this loose end is going to be tied up:
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Yes, this.  I am perplexed why they never did anything more with that story.

Random Trivia: The girl who played that role, Georgia Moffett (no relation to Steven) is the daughter of Peter Davison (the 5th doctor) and is now David Tennant's wife.
 
2013-07-26 07:43:31 PM
I...don't think I care anymore to tell you the truth. Let's just move on.
 
2013-07-26 07:49:26 PM

Darth_Lukecash: unlikely: The Stealth Hippopotamus: antidisestablishmentarianism: I'm not totally caught up yet, only about 8 episodes of Matt Smith as the doctor in, but I want to know when this loose end is going to be tied up:
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I would love watching that particular loose end get all tied up.

I nominate you. I think you should be the one to do it.

Somebody already has that job

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What?   What!


Oh, no problems or issues there. About ten or fifteen minutes before I finish my stretching (got to stretch out first, don't want to cramp up) I'd just post his current location on Fark. The 10th Doctor Fan Girl Brigade Fark Div will take him out before he even knows what hits him. I would feel sorry for him, but I'd have other things in mind.
 
2013-07-26 07:56:22 PM

unlikely: Moffat... he's the guy who either can't keep to his own rules on how bits of his universe work or lies to his viewers about how the rules in his universe work, right?

Yeah. Like he can remember what threads he's left hanging to even begin to tie them all up.


I don't really trust him either. After all the "tweaks" to the rules with the Angels. And then after all the "tweaks" with Rory. And "Wibbly wobbly timey wimey" was a great throwaway line to dismiss someone's overcomplicated technical question, but excusing plot problems with it? Fark that noise. I'll be just as glad when they get a real writer on there.
 
2013-07-26 07:59:54 PM

Ramayana: unlikely: Moffat... he's the guy who either can't keep to his own rules on how bits of his universe work or lies to his viewers about how the rules in his universe work, right?

Yeah. Like he can remember what threads he's left hanging to even begin to tie them all up.

I don't really trust him either. After all the "tweaks" to the rules with the Angels. And then after all the "tweaks" with Rory. And "Wibbly wobbly timey wimey" was a great throwaway line to dismiss someone's overcomplicated technical question, but excusing plot problems with it? Fark that noise. I'll be just as glad when they get a real writer on there.


Bring back Russel T Davies.

Or Bryan Fuller once Hannibal gets canceled.

Plus more Neil Gaiman guest episodes.
 
2013-07-26 08:36:09 PM

TuteTibiImperes: antidisestablishmentarianism: I'm not totally caught up yet, only about 8 episodes of Matt Smith as the doctor in, but I want to know when this loose end is going to be tied up:
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Yes, this.  I am perplexed why they never did anything more with that story.

Random Trivia: The girl who played that role, Georgia Moffett (no relation to Steven) is the daughter of Peter Davison (the 5th doctor) and is now David Tennant's wife.


Also, her mother is Trillian from the BBC version of HHTTG. I actually think that's where they met when Davidson played The Dish of the Day.
 
2013-07-26 08:48:32 PM

Mad_Radhu: TuteTibiImperes: antidisestablishmentarianism: I'm not totally caught up yet, only about 8 episodes of Matt Smith as the doctor in, but I want to know when this loose end is going to be tied up:
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Yes, this.  I am perplexed why they never did anything more with that story.

Random Trivia: The girl who played that role, Georgia Moffett (no relation to Steven) is the daughter of Peter Davison (the 5th doctor) and is now David Tennant's wife.

Also, her mother is Trillian from the BBC version of HHTTG. I actually think that's where they met when Davidson played The Dish of the Day.


The Doctor's daughter married the Doctor and had The Doctor's daughter
 
2013-07-26 08:49:37 PM
Matt Smith just post shaved head is REALLY doing it for me.

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/damn, yo
 
2013-07-26 08:49:58 PM
That'll do, pig.  Try to remember actual plot over cleverness, ok?
 
2013-07-26 08:58:37 PM

Pawn takes the King: ShawnDoc: Not all of The Doctor's adventures with River were televised.

Well yeah but him giving her the Sonic seems pretty note-worthy. I mean it looks like a patched Tennant sonic which blew up in The 11th Hour so seems like it should make another appearance. Not to mention they went out of their way to show 11's Red setting in Cold War. I dunno I just think it's screen-worthy.


Might as well trot this out:  I think John Hurt's Doctor will help bring back the Time Lords...but not all of them.
 
2013-07-26 08:58:51 PM
Doctor Who? Isn't that that show that has tons of viewers, but that most of the "fans" actually seem to hate?


Or am I thinking of The Walking Dead?
 
2013-07-26 09:17:44 PM

Old enough to know better: Doctor Who? Isn't that that show that has tons of viewers, but that most of the "fans" actually seem to hate?


Or am I thinking of The Walking Dead?


Dr Who has been in syndication longer than any other television show in history.  There was a decade or two gap in production though.  Classic Dr Who is a very different show than the current Dr Who.  I've been a lifelong fan of classic Who, I remember getting up late at night to find my dad watching it on TV because he couldn't sleep.  I've seen every single episode that was not unfortunately destroyed at the hands of an incompetent BBC.

I enjoy watching new Dr Who, because I love the character of the Dr.  But it is not he same.  At first, it was great, I loved how seemingly unconnected stories merged in the final few episodes of a season to create a whole.  Now plots within plots make absolutely no sense, along with the doctors wishy-washy personality.  The last season was utter trash.  He needs to go.
 
2013-07-26 09:25:52 PM

Old enough to know better: Doctor Who? Isn't that that show that has tons of viewers, but that most of the "fans" actually seem to hate?


Or am I thinking of The Walking Dead?


It's actually a relatively new thing about the Doctor Who.  Everyone has their favorite...which is their "First Doctor"  (Mine was Tom Baker) But by and large, Doctor Who fandom used to embrace all the different Doctors.  Certain storylines were crap, but by and large-most people liked the incoming doctor.

The problem in this day of the Internet, some people cannot get with the concept of the show. Which means it has different writers and a Different Doctor, who bring new spin on things. A lot of people came into the series with Tennant. And then they thought that The Doctor was all about love and emo power.

I just wished that Moffat was leaving with Smith.  Smith had the absolute ability to pull of the twist and humor Moffat written.
 
2013-07-26 09:31:48 PM
I am extremely amused at the fact that this is posted in geek and not entertainment.

/Geronimo!
 
2013-07-26 09:35:27 PM

halotosis: Old enough to know better: Doctor Who? Isn't that that show that has tons of viewers, but that most of the "fans" actually seem to hate?


Or am I thinking of The Walking Dead?

Dr Who has been in syndication longer than any other television show in history.  There was a decade or two gap in production though.  Classic Dr Who is a very different show than the current Dr Who.  I've been a lifelong fan of classic Who, I remember getting up late at night to find my dad watching it on TV because he couldn't sleep.  I've seen every single episode that was not unfortunately destroyed at the hands of an incompetent BBC.

I enjoy watching new Dr Who, because I love the character of the Dr.  But it is not he same.  At first, it was great, I loved how seemingly unconnected stories merged in the final few episodes of a season to create a whole.  Now plots within plots make absolutely no sense, along with the doctors wishy-washy personality.  The last season was utter trash.  He needs to go.


See, I never watched the 'old Who' episodes.  I've tried to get into the ones that they've shown in the history of the Doctors specials, but they just aren't doing anything for me.  On the other hand, I've absolutely loved the New Who.  I think the more people are invested in something, the more critical they tend to become.  Perhaps the last season wasn't as strong as some of the previous ones, but it was still very good IMO, and I enjoyed it.
 
2013-07-26 09:54:48 PM

halotosis:   Now plots within plots make absolutely no sense, along with the doctors wishy-washy personality.  The last season was utter trash.  He needs to go.



I'm certainly not seeing the Wishy-washy Doctor in these episodes. And almost every episode this last season dealt with either the Ponds leaving, and then the over all mystery of Clara.  Remember Clara showed up the first episode of the season. Some how, a hospitality cruise director managed to break into the Daleks computer banks and control them?  That's answered in the Bells of St. John, where Clara got a big boost in computer skills later on.

In the Snowmen episode, we are re-introduced to the The Great Intelligence, and Clara...who for some reason wanted the Doctors attention.  This is when the Doctor realized that Clara was unusual and began searching for her.

In all the subsequent episodes, we found out that the Doctors wiping himself out from history, (Nightmare in Silver) actually left a Doctor shaped hole in information.  He also checked out the Clara's birth for any interference, (Rings of Akhaten) Checked to see for any outside mental control (Hide), Sparked no memory of her past life in Victorian England (The Red Horror),  And found out that Clara had no motives herself, (Journey to the Center of the TARIDS)

It all comes to a head when The Great Intelligence finds the Doctors grave and we found out How Clara managed to appear in the past (It was her own decision, to Save The Doctor thus she wasn't going to have any memory of the Victorian past, because she hadn't done it yet, she retained her computer abilities, and the Doctor used the leaf symbolically as a call back to save her in his "personal" time line.

Moffat certainly didn't break any Time Rules he established.  Once Rory saw himself die in the past, he STILL died in the past, but taking a different route. In the Fixed point of the  Doctors death, it was the event that was important, not that he actually died or not.


And when the TARIDS was exploding, Time was being distorted and twisted...so fixed points were not set.


So really...I'm curios how you came to this conclusion that the episodes were contradictory or not interconnecting.  Granted, they made the Episodes more to stand on their own, to be a bit more viewer friendly and they wanted to do more "movie theme" shows for fun. But this was a style choice.
 
2013-07-26 10:10:19 PM

Darth_Lukecash: So really...I'm curios how you came to this conclusion that the episodes were contradictory or not interconnecting.


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I'm wondering if you got the same vibe I did from the end of Ring of Akhaten. A lot of people don't like that part, saying the speech was corny, yadda yadda. I thought it was rather telling that the Doctor offers up himself and all his long years of suffering to quell the creature... and it fails. Sorrow, regret, anger. The Doctor has a greater store of this than probably anyone else alive, but it isn't enough.
Yet in a different mindset, the leaf is more than enough. The hope and possibility it represents is far stronger than the Doctor's regrets.
I just thought it well represented the idea that he couldn't mope and regret and borderline hate life they way he was going on after the Ponds got timey-wimeyed, that he had to look forward again, not back.

My only real complaint was that some of the things seemed ham-handed, but I did like the idea behind them. His scene with River in the Doctor's Grave made me fall in love with her and that coupling the way her previous appearances never did. I got so much feeling out of that exchange it filled in whatever I thought was missing, even having never seen it.
 
2013-07-26 10:16:11 PM

gadian: That'll do, pig.  Try to remember actual plot over cleverness, ok?


I'd be happy with cleverness. It's been sorely lacking.
 
2013-07-26 10:29:46 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: Darth_Lukecash: So really...I'm curios how you came to this conclusion that the episodes were contradictory or not interconnecting.

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I'm wondering if you got the same vibe I did from the end of Ring of Akhaten. A lot of people don't like that part, saying the speech was corny, yadda yadda. I thought it was rather telling that the Doctor offers up himself and all his long years of suffering to quell the creature... and it fails. Sorrow, regret, anger. The Doctor has a greater store of this than probably anyone else alive, but it isn't enough.
Yet in a different mindset, the leaf is more than enough. The hope and possibility it represents is far stronger than the Doctor's regrets.
I just thought it well represented the idea that he couldn't mope and regret and borderline hate life they way he was going on after the Ponds got timey-wimeyed, that he had to look forward again, not back.

My only real complaint was that some of the things seemed ham-handed, but I did like the idea behind them. His scene with River in the Doctor's Grave made me fall in love with her and that coupling the way her previous appearances never did. I got so much feeling out of that exchange it filled in whatever I thought was missing, even having never seen it.


My take on the episode was that the creature lived off of "Stories" stories are finite....and while The Doctor life is Epic, compared to the Universe, it is finite. What Clara offered, was not a story...but possibilities and potential...something that there is infinite, at least on a conceptual level.  I think the Snowmen episode was the one that The Doctor bottomed out on his regret in not saving his companions. The Mystery of Clara is what sprung him on...as well as having a new companion.

  Agreed that it was Ham-Fisted. This was not a season of subtlety.
 
2013-07-26 10:44:20 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Sergeant Grumbles: Darth_Lukecash: So really...I'm curios how you came to this conclusion that the episodes were contradictory or not interconnecting.

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I'm wondering if you got the same vibe I did from the end of Ring of Akhaten. A lot of people don't like that part, saying the speech was corny, yadda yadda. I thought it was rather telling that the Doctor offers up himself and all his long years of suffering to quell the creature... and it fails. Sorrow, regret, anger. The Doctor has a greater store of this than probably anyone else alive, but it isn't enough.
Yet in a different mindset, the leaf is more than enough. The hope and possibility it represents is far stronger than the Doctor's regrets.
I just thought it well represented the idea that he couldn't mope and regret and borderline hate life they way he was going on after the Ponds got timey-wimeyed, that he had to look forward again, not back.

My only real complaint was that some of the things seemed ham-handed, but I did like the idea behind them. His scene with River in the Doctor's Grave made me fall in love with her and that coupling the way her previous appearances never did. I got so much feeling out of that exchange it filled in whatever I thought was missing, even having never seen it.

My take on the episode was that the creature lived off of "Stories" stories are finite....and while The Doctor life is Epic, compared to the Universe, it is finite. What Clara offered, was not a story...but possibilities and potential...something that there is infinite, at least on a conceptual level.  I think the Snowmen episode was the one that The Doctor bottomed out on his regret in not saving his companions. The Mystery of Clara is what sprung him on...as well as having a new companion.

  Agreed that it was Ham-Fisted. This was not a season of subtlety.




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2013-07-26 10:48:03 PM
too bad they can't bring back sabalom glitz also if it really is the knacker's yard they are bringing back
 
2013-07-26 10:52:17 PM

Shadow Blasko: I am extremely amused at the fact that this is posted in geek and not entertainment.

/Geronimo!


My theory of FARK is that Entertainment is the People Magazine tab (does that still exist?) It's Lohan stories and entertainers going into rehab, shiat like that.

Geek is sort of the /., News for Nerds tab, and includes most things science fiction related.

That said, I grew a bit annoyed not with the 2000 year old soldier but with Big Bang 2 reforming the exact same universe along with Amy Pond behind able to wish the Doctor back from the cornfield, so I am not expecting any sort of coherent answers to any questions.

Doctor Who has been better than LOST in terms of coherency, but ain't been a whole lot better.
 
2013-07-26 11:03:54 PM

RoyBatty: That said, I grew a bit annoyed not with the 2000 year old soldier but with Big Bang 2 reforming the exact same universe along with Amy Pond behind able to wish the Doctor back from the cornfield, so I am not expecting any sort of coherent answers to any questions.


They'd already foreshadowed it earlier in the season several times, and hell, they did it with Donna in Turn Left and again with Clara in Journey to the Center of the TARDIS.
The mind and memory can remember things that no longer exist because of changes or damage to the timestream.

Donna remembers traveling with the Doctor even though the creature had altered her past and was feeding on the result.
The Doctor remembers Rory even after he was eaten by the crack. Amy has vague recollection of Rory and her family, the memories allowing Rory to be brought back, and then for him to remember his time as a Roman. It's really hard to make something stop existing because even if you take something away, realizing there's a hole triggers the memory of what filled it. The TARDIS needed some kind of connection like that to bridge the gap between existing and not, and the TARDIS has repeatedly been shown to be able to bend reality and rewrite time.

So while timey-wimey does get thrown around a bit, it's not complete hogwash.
 
2013-07-26 11:11:08 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: RoyBatty: That said, I grew a bit annoyed not with the 2000 year old soldier but with Big Bang 2 reforming the exact same universe along with Amy Pond behind able to wish the Doctor back from the cornfield, so I am not expecting any sort of coherent answers to any questions.

They'd already foreshadowed it earlier in the season several times, and hell, they did it with Donna in Turn Left and again with Clara in Journey to the Center of the TARDIS.
The mind and memory can remember things that no longer exist because of changes or damage to the timestream.

Donna remembers traveling with the Doctor even though the creature had altered her past and was feeding on the result.
The Doctor remembers Rory even after he was eaten by the crack. Amy has vague recollection of Rory and her family, the memories allowing Rory to be brought back, and then for him to remember his time as a Roman. It's really hard to make something stop existing because even if you take something away, realizing there's a hole triggers the memory of what filled it. The TARDIS needed some kind of connection like that to bridge the gap between existing and not, and the TARDIS has repeatedly been shown to be able to bend reality and rewrite time.

So while timey-wimey does get thrown around a bit, it's not complete hogwash.


Well, I am clearly not a first or even second order Doctor Who fan, but I just got a bit annoyed with universe blew up, new big bang, 14 Billion Years go by, Amy wakes up wishes Tardis and Doctor out of the 14 Billion Year cornfield.

I dunno, I am not the best of fans.
 
2013-07-26 11:20:42 PM
You're all assuing he not simply lying to you.  Again.
 
2013-07-26 11:31:45 PM
If he really wanted to mess with us, he'd make Jeff Murdock from Coupling the next companion... or even funnier, the next Doctor.

/And if he hated everyone it'd be the Jeff from the short lived American version
 
2013-07-27 03:34:22 AM
Clara sucked. Her half-season was boring and uninteresting. Oh look, it's another Most Interesting and Important Girl in the Verse. *YAWN*
 
2013-07-27 06:24:49 AM

antidisestablishmentarianism: I'm not totally caught up yet, only about 8 episodes of Matt Smith as the doctor in, but I want to know when this loose end is going to be tied up:
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Odd piece of trivia: she was actually supposed to be in an episode that wrapped up her storyline a while back.  The issue was was that she was pregnant at the time and thus couldn't do the episode.
 
2013-07-27 08:43:35 AM
The Doctor's "daughter" isn't a loose end: she's simply wandering the universe, like Captain Jack.  She has no impact on the plot, so bringing her back in is a bonus or a new plot thread, but not the resolution of anything.

Actually, there aren't very many plot threads loose from the Moffat era (outside of Hurt).  I've come to expect the resolution of each episode, especially in the last season, to be rushed, make no sense, be out of character for the Doctor, or just ... stop.
 
2013-07-27 12:05:23 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Clara sucked. Her half-season was boring and uninteresting. Oh look, it's another Most Interesting and Important Girl in the Verse. *YAWN*


Honestly, the version from Victorian London was the most interesting. She was clever, funny, and charming. The modern day one was just sort-of along for the ride.

I hope that the resolution to these plot threads, like why the Silence wanted him killed, why they blew up the TARDIS (clearly, blowing up the universe isn't a good way to kill one guy)
 
2013-07-27 02:10:03 PM
I just hope they lay off the "My companion is the MOST IMPORTANT PERSON IN THE UNIVERSE! ....for now." thing they keep doing.
 
2013-07-27 02:27:13 PM
You know I've got to quit clicking io9 articles...

FTFA: There are a lot of dangling plotlines on Doctor Who, going back to Matt Smith's first story. Why did the TARDIS blow up? Why were the Silence so keen to kill the Doctor before he answered the First Question?

Because it had a crack in it. So he'd never say his name and negate all the good works he's done. Geez, those weren't even hard questions.
 
2013-07-27 02:29:06 PM

MadSkillz: Mike Chewbacca: Clara sucked. Her half-season was boring and uninteresting. Oh look, it's another Most Interesting and Important Girl in the Verse. *YAWN*

Honestly, the version from Victorian London was the most interesting. She was clever, funny, and charming. The modern day one was just sort-of along for the ride.

I hope that the resolution to these plot threads, like why the Silence wanted him killed, why they blew up the TARDIS (clearly, blowing up the universe isn't a good way to kill one guy)


Yes.  I  liked Victorian Clara somewhat, but all of the others were irritating. I started actively disliking her in "Cold War," where she gets all weepy about people getting killed, only to have her be all cheery and bubbly in the Cyberman episode while people get slaughtered around her.  She adjusted to that awfully well.

Of course, her character in general is stupid.  So she's supposed to follow the Doctor around and help him out, except for when she doesn't.  Or when she's late.  Or when she's just running after him.
 
2013-07-27 02:50:09 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: MadSkillz: Mike Chewbacca: Clara sucked. Her half-season was boring and uninteresting. Oh look, it's another Most Interesting and Important Girl in the Verse. *YAWN*

Honestly, the version from Victorian London was the most interesting. She was clever, funny, and charming. The modern day one was just sort-of along for the ride.

I hope that the resolution to these plot threads, like why the Silence wanted him killed, why they blew up the TARDIS (clearly, blowing up the universe isn't a good way to kill one guy)

Yes.  I  liked Victorian Clara somewhat, but all of the others were irritating. I started actively disliking her in "Cold War," where she gets all weepy about people getting killed, only to have her be all cheery and bubbly in the Cyberman episode while people get slaughtered around her.  She adjusted to that awfully well.

Of course, her character in general is stupid.  So she's supposed to follow the Doctor around and help him out, except for when she doesn't.  Or when she's late.  Or when she's just running after him.


Yeah.. I know. I liked the episodes she was in but it is Matt that sells them.

Time for a new showrunner!
 
2013-07-27 04:07:56 PM

Gunny Walker: You know I've got to quit clicking io9 articles...

FTFA: There are a lot of dangling plotlines on Doctor Who, going back to Matt Smith's first story. Why did the TARDIS blow up? Why were the Silence so keen to kill the Doctor before he answered the First Question?

Because it had a crack in it. So he'd never say his name and negate all the good works he's done. Geez, those weren't even hard questions.


I think it's a bit more complicated than that. The Silence obviously have access to time travel otherwise why would they be so afraid of a future event? (And the TARDIS copy that showed up in the Lodger and looked like the Silence underground control rooms) They must know what happens after the Doctor went to Trenzalore. So I think they wanted it stopped because this John Hurt doctor is going to do something that will be terrible for everyone.

Although, now that the question was answered, the Silence's only goal is now gone and they are pretty much without a cause.
 
2013-07-27 05:00:17 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: The Doctor's "daughter" isn't a loose end: she's simply wandering the universe, like Captain Jack.  She has no impact on the plot, so bringing her back in is a bonus or a new plot thread, but not the resolution of anything.

Actually, there aren't very many plot threads loose from the Moffat era (outside of Hurt).  I've come to expect the resolution of each episode, especially in the last season, to be rushed, make no sense, be out of character for the Doctor, or just ... stop.


Moffat era who is generally 40 minutes of meaningless chatter, followed by 2 minutes of SHOCKING ENDING!!!!!! designed to make you watch the next episode, where the pattern continues.
 
2013-07-27 06:00:54 PM

demonfaerie: Pawn takes the King: ShawnDoc: Not all of The Doctor's adventures with River were televised.

Well yeah but him giving her the Sonic seems pretty note-worthy. I mean it looks like a patched Tennant sonic which blew up in The 11th Hour so seems like it should make another appearance. Not to mention they went out of their way to show 11's Red setting in Cold War. I dunno I just think it's screen-worthy.

Didn't they hint of him giving it to her in one of those mini webisodes?



Now I need to go back and re-watch "Last Night" to find out.
Then I'll watch something else to cheer myself back up.
 
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