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2013-07-26 06:30:31 PM
8 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: peacheslatour: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

You would.

So do millions and millions of other people, because they can get more for their money there.

Shake your impotent fists of rage all you want, this is a fact.


Except the argument is that we're not getting more for our money. Because with Wal-Marts horrible pay and benefits packages more of our tax money goes to public assistance than it should. And they're closing local business, which leads to local unemployment, which also costs everyone money. And they sell cheaper goods, which costs us more money in the long run, from predominantly foreign manufacturers, which means money leaving the US.

Saving a quarter on a loaf of bread isn't fiscally responsible when set against a mountain of EBT cards and Medicaid payments.
2013-07-26 05:53:46 PM
8 votes:

BMFPitt: I came to refute the derp, but then it was a video so fark that until someone makes a list.


No derp, just facts like Wal-Mart drives local businesses out of business and despite record profits still pays so little that in many states Wal-Mart employees are the largest group on public assistance.  Just getting the message out there that the low prices you pay have a hidden cost in your tax dollars because Wal-Mart won't pay enough for employees to live without government funded assistance.
2013-07-26 05:56:55 PM
7 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: BMFPitt: I came to refute the derp, but then it was a video so fark that until someone makes a list.

No derp, just facts like Wal-Mart drives local businesses out of business and despite record profits still pays so little that in many states Wal-Mart employees are the largest group on public assistance.  Just getting the message out there that the low prices you pay have a hidden cost in your tax dollars because Wal-Mart won't pay enough for employees to live without government funded assistance.


This is exactly what happens to the "savings" taxpayers get when things are privatized. Your taxes don't actually go down, and your service doesn't go up, when all the externalities are actually considered.
2013-07-26 05:45:44 PM
6 votes:
Why not just raise minimum wage?
2013-07-26 10:49:26 PM
5 votes:

tbhouston: lawboy87: Costco, which has very loyal and happy employees who are paid well above the average for retail, for comparison:  Stock price - 10 yrs ago:  $31, today's close $116  (375% return on investment)

WalMart - with shoddy stores, unhappy employees and a pay and benefits package that barely beats out some 3rd world nations:  Stock price-  10 yrs ago $55, today's close $78 (141% ROI)


Which business model seems to be the most successful?  Paying your employees such a crap wage that you tend to draw the worst dregs of the employee market to man your stores; or providing a pay and benefits package that leads to having one of the highest employee retention and job satisfaction rates in retail?

How can the "geniuses" that run WalMart not see what is plain on its face?  More importantly, how can someone analyzing the retail market place looking for a place to buy some stock, not see that Costco provides close to 3 times the ROI than WalMart?

Oh look, it's that durrrrtard that compares Costco to Walmart instead of SAMs club.....


Oh, you wanna compare Sam's Club? Okay, we'll compare Sam's Club.
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2013-07-26 08:31:12 PM
5 votes:
Walmart stays in business because it sells cheap crap while the average American's wages are in decline. We had a choice back in the early 90's we could have high wages and expensive american made merchandise or we could have low wages and crap foreign made goods. Multinational corporations rigged our laws and trade agreements via lobbying to produce the latter. So we never got to have the debate or make the choice as a country,
2013-07-26 06:10:23 PM
5 votes:
I heard (from a regional-level Wal-Mart manager) that some of their products have lower prices because they are lower quality, even if they are well-known national brands. Wal-Mart controls about a fourth of all the grocery business in the US and has so much leverage that they can demand lower prices from their suppliers, so the manufacturers run special batches just for Wal-Mart where they use inferior ingredients and cut corners any way they can.
2013-07-26 06:01:21 PM
5 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


The video isn't targeting people who shop at Walmart, it's targeting those that defend it's practices.

I'd like to believe if Sam Walton were alive, he'd disown all of his kids for what they've done.
2013-07-26 05:38:27 PM
5 votes:
Walmart provides a 24 hour hotline for their employees... the hotline is staffed with social workers hired to arrange charity and public assistance for Walmart employees.  The hotline phone number is pasted in the employee break room and on little inserts that they put into the paycheck envelope.  Here is your pathetic paycheck and a phone number for the food pantry!
2013-07-26 05:21:03 PM
5 votes:

meat0918: Wait, people still defend Wal-Mart?

I mean besides stock-holders?


Nah, the stock holders don't defend it. They just say "I got mine, Fark You!":
2013-07-26 05:18:17 PM
5 votes:
That guy makes very good points, but he really does make me want to punch him in the face.
2013-07-26 11:16:02 PM
4 votes:

meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.


You'd be right if not for the fact that you're entirely wrong.
2013-07-26 10:49:13 PM
4 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: bbfreak: Captain Dan: Walmart is awesome.  The exact same products I'd buy elsewhere, for less money - that's a no-brainer.  If you don't like it, shop elsewhere.

With a few exceptions, most of the opposition to Walmart is either political (anti-free trade left) or fronting ("I pay extra for my invisible clothing because I'm morally enlightened").

So you like the fact that your tax dollars are going towards subsiding Walmart employees eh?

If he is, his beef is with politicians and voters who enact these subsidies, not Walmart.

Don't like giving people handouts with tax dollars? Then don't.


Or Walmart could, y'know, pay a living wage and not stiff employees on hours so they don't have to pay benefits, so the employees wouldn't NEED subsidies. But nope, Profit uber alles.
2013-07-26 09:22:14 PM
4 votes:
Costco, which has very loyal and happy employees who are paid well above the average for retail, for comparison:  Stock price - 10 yrs ago:  $31, today's close $116  (375% return on investment)

WalMart - with shoddy stores, unhappy employees and a pay and benefits package that barely beats out some 3rd world nations:  Stock price-  10 yrs ago $55, today's close $78 (141% ROI)


Which business model seems to be the most successful?  Paying your employees such a crap wage that you tend to draw the worst dregs of the employee market to man your stores; or providing a pay and benefits package that leads to having one of the highest employee retention and job satisfaction rates in retail?

How can the "geniuses" that run WalMart not see what is plain on its face?  More importantly, how can someone analyzing the retail market place looking for a place to buy some stock, not see that Costco provides close to 3 times the ROI than WalMart?
2013-07-26 08:50:25 PM
4 votes:

dumbobruni: the attacks on Walmart are severely misguided, as most other big-box retailers (and Amazon) are guilty of the same things that Walmart does.

I hear and see a lot of crying over Walmart killing off small businesses and stopping collective organization of workers, but almost never hear of complaints of the same against from by Target, Sears, Kmart, Macys, Best Buy, Staples, Home Depot, Lowes, Kohls, Family Dollar, Big Lots, Ikea, etc. All of them are guilty. And "killing" Walmart wouldn't solve it, as some other behemoth would come to take its place (as Walmart did to Sears Roebuck).


Walmart gets the most grief because Walmart is the biggest employee in the US, and by far the most powerful retailer in the US. They have had a serious effect on our economy, simply because by demanding lower prices from their suppliers that means more jobs have gone overseas. Less manufacturing jobs, and overall less money going into local communities. No doubt others are just as bad, but Walmart gives it competitors little choice but to do the same to stay competitive.
2013-07-26 08:28:44 PM
4 votes:

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Popcorn Johnny: CynicalLA: White trash love them some Walmart!

Internet sheep love to hate on some Walmart!

I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).

People around here can be so farking stupid.


I feel for people in that position... mostly because Wal-Marts are (by the math) only cheaper for the first three years they are in a town... after that, the local inflation at wal-marts exceeds average inflation... Basically, they put stuff on sale until they run local businesses and nearby competitors out, then they jack up prices to cover the earlier losses, so it ends up being more expensive (and more profitable) in the long run. Though I empathize with the short term savings (having been poor at times myself), in the long-run, shopping at wal-mart both increases your costs, and screws the local businesses. I certainly wouldn't demonize their shoppers though... I mean Wal-Mart has built an empire focused around information asymmetry, whether we're talking about the conditions their products are made in, or their pricing structures... they're winning a war against the people they're preying on, and I certainly wouldn't demonize the very people who are hurt by that information asymmetry.
2013-07-26 08:01:59 PM
4 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Selena Luna: Over time, it costs considerably more. When the only clothes I could afford were WalMart clothes, I was replacing them all the time. I can afford better clothes now and they last much longer. I realize this is an anecdote, but it's also the case with most of the crap. Your money doesn't go further there.

Most of what Walmart sells is the same as what you would find at any other store. There are some exceptions, especially with electronics where companies will make models specifically for Walmart so they can offer them at lower prices. As for consumables, brand name clothes and most other things, you're getting the same thing you would at other stores. Walmart is able to offer the items at a lower price because they buy in such bulk.


Bullshiat. Walmart is able to offer the items at a lower price because they have the leverage of being so big that they can tell their suppliers they're replaceable if they don't provide a product to them at a certain price. Which leads the suppliers to doing whatever it takes to cut prices, including making a less quality item in China instead of the US. Walmart is bad for the country, there is no other way around that.
2013-07-26 08:00:38 PM
4 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: Its not walmarts fault.


Yes, it is. No one is stopping them from paying their workers more, nor is it the government's fault for caring for it's poorest citizens. The blame lies squarely at the feet of Wal-Mart for abusing the situation.
2013-07-26 07:35:49 PM
4 votes:

Kazrath: You raise minimum wage and the price of stuff goes up immediately.


Anyone who condones this is a corporatist shill. The average CEO:worker pay ratio has gone from about 5:1 to 500:1 in the past 50 years. Their profits are higher and their taxes are lower than they've ever been. The idea that higher wages must come out of OUR pockets, not those of executives who are strangling their own companies, is indefensible. Still, conservatives have successfully created this big lie that capitalists are forces of nature, that their actions may not be opposed, and that any effort to ease the burden on the lower class actually HURTS them in the long run because the upper class have the power and influence to pass the buck.
2013-07-26 07:31:09 PM
4 votes:

Philip Francis Queeg: meat0918: Wait, people still defend Wal-Mart?

I mean besides stock-holders?

Nah, the stock holders don't defend it. They just say "I got mine, Fark You!":


Yep. Wal-Mart wiped out competition wherever they could, from producer to wholesaler to distributor to retailer. They're the best possible example of naked capitalism you'll find on a large scale - they're happy to milk your entire country for all it's worth, if it means eking out a fractional increase in their profit margin.

And, yes, the idiots defending them are of the "fark you, got mine" ilk - they see a successful business, even as their stores dot landscapes devoid of competition, culture, or even society. They don't care how Wal-Mart got there - the fact that they got there is all that matters to them. They're the same folks that believe in prosperity gospel, that believe in the rich because they're rich, that oddly believe that they, too, have a chance at being rich, and conversely despise those unwilling or unable to lie, cheat, and steal their way to being rich.
2013-07-26 07:04:11 PM
4 votes:

SkorzenyNinja: Alright, so I'm here to drop some anecdotal retorts in Tolstoy wall-o-text form. Take this all with a huge grain of salt if you will. Let me begin by clarifying that I'm a dirty hippy and a registered Democrat, voted for Fartbongo twice (three times if you include against Hillary) and continue to support the evil liberal agenda in non-presidential election years (I'm looking at you, lazy assholes that farked everything up in the Tea Tard wave of 2010). I'm certainly on the lower end of the economic scale, so I appreciate the lower prices at Wally World.

I also have family that work at Wal-Mart, one family member specifically. They get about $10.50-$11 an hour I believe, full time with health insurance and all after five years with the company. Right there, that is above the average wage this fine gentleman spoke of in his video, and that is only for a cashier. I don't know if living in Colorado is a part of that, but there you go. Full time, pay that's moderately above minimum wage, and the all powerful health insurance. Thanks to this healthcare, their significant other was recently able to retire comfortably after 35+ years with their own job. In my mind, that is a solid on Wal-Mart.


Does it take 5 years to get benefits?  That seems like an absurdly long amount of time.  Most reputable companies start full benefits at the hire date, or 30/60/90 days after hire.

Also, 5 years in and only $11 an hour?  That's not exactly something that people should be shooting for.
2013-07-26 06:55:14 PM
4 votes:
Alright, so I'm here to drop some anecdotal retorts in Tolstoy wall-o-text form. Take this all with a huge grain of salt if you will. Let me begin by clarifying that I'm a dirty hippy and a registered Democrat, voted for Fartbongo twice (three times if you include against Hillary) and continue to support the evil liberal agenda in non-presidential election years (I'm looking at you, lazy assholes that farked everything up in the Tea Tard wave of 2010). I'm certainly on the lower end of the economic scale, so I appreciate the lower prices at Wally World.

I also have family that work at Wal-Mart, one family member specifically. They get about $10.50-$11 an hour I believe, full time with health insurance and all after five years with the company. Right there, that is above the average wage this fine gentleman spoke of in his video, and that is only for a cashier. I don't know if living in Colorado is a part of that, but there you go. Full time, pay that's moderately above minimum wage, and the all powerful health insurance. Thanks to this healthcare, their significant other was recently able to retire comfortably after 35+ years with their own job. In my mind, that is a solid on Wal-Mart.

You've got the out-sourcing and Chinese stuff, right? Granted, we'd all like for things to be made in America, but we've got The Free Market and the Chinese make things real cheap. Here's the rub: where else are you going to go where they don't sell Chinese products? Seriously. Target? Ha! I challenge anyone to find a major box retailer that doesn't sell foreign made products, or only sells primarily American made products.

Secondly, I always hear this shiat about the people that shop at Wal-Mart. Yeah, the lower class does look awfully lower class, strange, isn't that? Maybe if they could afford better things, they'd shop in a higher-class environment. What a notion! The funny thing about this is that I mostly hear this from conservatives, from the people pulling the lever for folks like Mitt Romney. Gee, Republicans don't like to shop in the midst of poor folks? There is a darker side to this too, no pun intended, in that (at least here in the Denver area), Wal-Mart gets a reputation for having large amounts of Hispanics, specifically jerb-stealing Messicans that shop there. Those damned, dirty illegals with their anchor babies and food stamps. It never fails to surprise me to hear a card-carrying Republican looking down their nose at the "people that shop there" as a code word for Mexicans. The same people that criticize the patrons of Wal-Mart can usually be heard criticizing B. HUSSEIN 0bama in the next sentence. Again, all anecdotal, but there you go.

Here is the CSB part: I used to work at a Super Target. If you think that they treat their mostly part-time employees much better, you are sorely mistaken. The same positions in a Wal-Mart receive larger raises and better benefits in a much more timely manner, so Target is in fact (in my opinion) a worse employer than Wal-Mart. I offer this because they are most often compared to Wal-Mart as being superior. Following from what I said above about certain Conservatives disliking Wal-Mart, I have seen the same people speak very highly of Target. Target, based out of Minnesota, has given money to politicians in the past that oppose gay marriage, these politicians naturally being of the (R) persuasion. Target also donates more money to the Republican party as a whole, compared to Wal-Mart, which donates "equally" to both parties. In 2008, shortly before Barack Obama was elected, all of the employees in my Target were brought into the conference room throughout the following weeks to watch a video prepared by headquarters. In so many words, they described the "changes that may occur in the coming election in congress and government" and how all employees should be on the watch for talk of *gasp* UNIONIZING. The video described how even one employee signing up for the union could risk the entire store having to close, and anyone that spoke of unionizing to other employees was to be reported immediately and could face losing their barely above minimum wage job. All in all, Target was not a pleasant work experience. I offer much of this to my fellow Liberal-minded comrades: if you think that shopping at a place like Target over Wal-Mart is going to stick it to Republicans... sorry, you're doing much worse.

Finally, there is supposed to be a new Wal-Mart Supercenter constructed in my hometown. The city council recently approved this decision after huge amounts of public outcry against a Wal-Mart opening in the community, although chances are strong that it will become a ballot issue, whereupon Wally World will surely lose. The area where this Wal-Mart is supposed to be built has been in need of renovation since the 1980's, and no one else has shown interest in the area despite many attempts at coercing Target, Best-Buy, Kroger, Safeway, on and on... After Jan. 1st 2014, the existing strip malls and other structures will be bulldozed. If Wal-Mart is shot down by the public, nothing will be constructed; instead of an archaic, failing area losing business steadily, we will have nothing, at all. This is the best example of cutting off the nose to spite the face I can think off. At least Wal-Mart, as odious as that is for so many, will provide tax income as well as jobs, not to mention the other businesses it will attract to the area. Nope. Some people are still holding out on Barnes & Noble or some such other impossible thing to magically open a store, followed by trendy restaurants and coffee shops. Anything to avoid "that crowd" and stain the glorious shores of America with evil Chinese products that they will just buy somewhere else instead.

So.... yeah. End rant. If anyone actually read all of that, thanks. I'm just trying to say... Wal-Mart isn't all that bad. Yeah, it could be much better. I support some of the comments upthread about being willing to pay a little more to increase wages, and how laws need to be passed in order to get some more worker-friendly policies in place. But really, it's not all this evil horrible stuff you hear all the time.

/CSB Tolstoy over
2013-07-26 06:36:39 PM
4 votes:
Alphax:

Seems it's been many years since I heard that vendors wishing to get Walmart to carry their product were turned away if American labor was used, and told to get their products made in China.

About ten years ago, before I'd ever seen a Walmart, there was a documentary or something about some vendors trying to get their goods into the chain and what happened before, during, and after. Even leaving aside the way Walmart treats its employees now, what they were demanding of these mom and pop entrepreneurs was enough to make me swear off ever shopping at one. It was arm twisting to a horrific extent and, basically, for the right to sell their $5 or $20 crap at Walmart, the owners were basically asked to give up any notion of making a reasonable profit like they'd get any and everywhere else.

Really opened my eyes.
2013-07-26 06:28:05 PM
4 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: ghare: the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service

Wait, your can of Arrid deodorant, Irish Spring soap, Suave shampoo and Crest toothpaste are better than the ones I buy at Walmart? Better service, do they give you a hand job while waiting in line where you shop?


Just as an example, not that you care about facts, I can park closer and get in and out of my local  grocery store in less than half the time it takes at Wal-Mart. The lanes move I'd say 5x as fast. It's clean. The cashiers have average intelligence. I'm sure you weren't aware that Wal-Mart does in fact sell watered-down versions of things like shampoo, which is part of how they keep their prices low.

And mostly, there are far far fewer people like you in it. And since I don't really save money at Wal-Mart, it's just silly to shop there.
2013-07-26 06:27:06 PM
4 votes:

Lackofname: I will say when I lived in NY and MD, I was happy to not be shopping at Walmart. But since I had to move back in with my parents in Tennessee, Walmart is really the only game around. Also since I can't drive I don't really get to choose where groceries are gotten.


This is actually how Walmart grew into such a powerhouse, enough to earn the praises of deluded shills like Debeo Summa Credo. They drive the competition out of town and end up being the only game around. This is pretty much the *opposite* of the kind of capitalism that people *think* we have.
2013-07-26 06:22:06 PM
4 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: ghare: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Oh, definitely, the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service, and to not be subjected to the generally horrific experience is well worth it to me. Local businessmen get my money normally. Hell, I even get better-than-Wal-Mart pricing  frequently.

Hmm. You'd think that Walmart wouldnt have grown to the sales volume it currently has if it offered lower quality merchandise, poorer service, and a generally horrific experience, while not offering better pricing than elsewhere

.

Whatever, Spanky. Woo hoo, a corporation is profitable. As long as our taxes pay for the health care and living expenses for the employees, and the unemployment and welfare and disabilty for those who lost their jobs and businesses to Wal-Mart. Yeah, those people have to make do with Wal-Mart crap. And there are lots of them. I can afford to buy a something better built that lasts longer, and that saves me money over time.

So just remember, your taxes subsidize Wal-Mart's profits. To think otherwise is ignoring reality.
2013-07-26 06:13:02 PM
4 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: Hmm. You'd think that Walmart wouldnt have grown to the sales volume it currently has if it offered lower quality merchandise, poorer service, and a generally horrific experience, while not offering better pricing than elsewhere.


Yeah, what with all the competition they face. I mean, it's not like they've put everyone else out of business in most of the <100,000 pop towns they operate in.
2013-07-26 06:07:29 PM
4 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self


Some of us take more than price into account like a shopping experience that isn't shiatty.  Wal Mart has gotten shiatty to the point where it's gotten worse than farking KMart.  And I'm saying this as someone who enjoyed Wal Mart 15 years ago.
2013-07-26 11:13:36 PM
3 votes:

meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.


Nope.
2013-07-26 10:24:04 PM
3 votes:

Fark It: HeartBurnKid: muddythinker: Apparently, hundreds of millions of shoppers are ignoring the message.

It's a free country.  Go to Whole Foods and mix with the elite, or shop with the poor people at Wal-Mart.  I like mixing with the latter myself.

This is the part where we call the left "elitist" for standing up for the common man as we throw our weight behind the fat cats shipping jobs to third-world sweatshops, I see.

/do most of my grocery shopping at WinCo.
//just as cheap as Wal-Mart, and employee owned.

Aldi and Woodman's.  Aldi pays their people decent wages, and Woodman's is employee owned.  Also better food and prices, and a far, far wider selection (at Woodman's).

Why you would go grocery shopping at a Walmart or Target is beyond me....


I quit going to Wal-Mart for groceries a few years ago when I started to realize that the prices at the Albertson's that was was closer to my the house I lived in were the same on pretty much everything, and they had better produce and meat than I could find at Wal Mart, all without the aggravation of standing in a 10 deep line like I would be at Wally World. Seriously, I challenge those that shop at Wal Mart for everything to really sit down and do a price comparison between WM and some other store, and you'll find your saving very little, if you are saving at all.

After that, I started looking at other things. Tools, etc can be purchased from my local or regional chain hardware store for not much more than I would pay at WMT, but the quality of the tool is better. When I needed a water pump for the swamp cooler, I found a more powerful pump with a one year warranty at the local plumbing/HVAC store that came with a one year warranty for the same price that WMT wanted for a less powerful, more cheaply made one with a 60 day warranty...the list goes on and on.

I am not a well off guy. Far from it, in fact. I save wherever I can, and I've found that Wal Mart, most times, does not save me any money at all, and costs me a lot of of aggravation every time I do need to go there.
2013-07-26 09:31:06 PM
3 votes:

Captain Dan: LordJiro: Or, y'know, "Their service is shiat, their business practices are shiat, and they treat their employees like shiat."

1. I've never had a problem with their service.  What service problems have you had?  (Did you complain to a manager or supervisor?  How was your complaint resolved?)

Recently? None, because I stopped shopping at that dump long ago, after I had to repeatedly wait ages for service (if it ever arrived) at various counters because the store was understaffed to save money.

2. Which business practices are you upset about?  Specifically, not "they're greedy and furthermore capitalism."
How about selling lower-quality versions of name-brand items? And weaseling out of giving their employees any sort of benefits?

3. How specifically do they treat their employees "like shiat"?

See above. Also, there are quite a few stories around the internet of such things.
2013-07-26 09:05:25 PM
3 votes:

Captain Dan: Walmart is awesome.  The exact same products I'd buy elsewhere, for less money - that's a no-brainer.  If you don't like it, shop elsewhere.

With a few exceptions, most of the opposition to Walmart is either political (anti-free trade left) or fronting ("I pay extra for my invisible clothing because I'm morally enlightened").


Or, y'know, "Their service is shiat, their business practices are shiat, and they treat their employees like shiat."
2013-07-26 08:21:02 PM
3 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: Its not walmarts fault.


www.trilobite.org

It very much is WalMart's fault they do everything they can o avoid paying their employees a living wage. And this is after they've driven the stores that did pay a living wage out of business.
2013-07-26 07:55:12 PM
3 votes:
Walmart is truely the embodiment of the saying "you get what you pay for".

/shiatty products, shiatty Service, overall a miserable place to shop
2013-07-26 07:40:59 PM
3 votes:

SkorzenyNinja: I also have family that work at Wal-Mart, one family member specifically. They get about $10.50-$11 an hour I believe, full time with health insurance and all after five years with the company.


Setting aside the way that Wal-Mart is increasingly preventing staff from working full-time hours just so they can deny employees these kinds of benefits...I don't think a $22,000 a year job is the kind of thing that's going to strengthen the middle class.

It's bad for the employees, and even Forbes recognizes it's bad for business:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/04/17/walmart-pays-worker s- poorly-and-sinks-while-costco-pays-workers-well-and-sails-proof-that-y ou-get-what-you-pay-for/
2013-07-26 07:19:39 PM
3 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: silvervial: Lackofname: I will say when I lived in NY and MD, I was happy to not be shopping at Walmart. But since I had to move back in with my parents in Tennessee, Walmart is really the only game around. Also since I can't drive I don't really get to choose where groceries are gotten.

This is actually how Walmart grew into such a powerhouse, enough to earn the praises of deluded shills like Debeo Summa Credo. They drive the competition out of town and end up being the only game around. This is pretty much the *opposite* of the kind of capitalism that people *think* we have.

They drive the competition out of town by offering better value.

If they really do offer shiattier products, a horrific shopping experience, and lousy value, as farklibs seem to believe, consumers will eventually move to other retailers, driving Walmart out of business.

Then we can share a toast. Me to the free markets working, as usual, and you all to the demise of the horrific and evil monstrosity known as Walmart.


The point is that the consumers CAN'T "move on to other retailers" because THEY AREN'T AROUND ANYMORE!
2013-07-26 06:31:18 PM
3 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: max_pooper: Yes. It's no big secret that suppliers have special lower grade products runs just for Walmart to meet their demand on prices. The box may have the same name on it but often it is an inferior product.

As I pointed out, that's for some electronics. I've never noticed a difference in anything I've bought at a Walmart when compared to buying the same item at another store. I have shiat all over my house that's from Walmart, CVS, Target and other places and I couldn't pick out those that were bought at Walmart if I tried.

12349876: Popcorn Johnny: 12349876: You claim you only care about money and you're buying name brands?

I'm buying name brands cheaper.

Store brands are cheaper than any name brand anywhere.  You should be getting store brands or else you're taking quality into account not just price.


Publix has pretty good store-brand stuff.
2013-07-26 06:30:35 PM
3 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Walmart is able to offer the items at a lower price because they buy in such bulk

strong arm their suppliers to bring down costs to a level that WM is happy with.  So, the supplier has to make a choice - make their products cheaper (in all senses of that word) so WM will carry them or keep their product quality to their own standards.  And that is well documented.

http://www.fastcompany.com/47593/wal-mart-you-dont-know
http://www.demos.org/publication/not-made-america-top-10-ways-walmar t- destroys-us-manufacturing-jobs
http://knowmore.org/wiki/index.php?title=Wal-Mart_Stores%2C_Inc.#Cri ti cisms_of_Wal-Mart.27s_Vendor_Relations
2013-07-26 06:21:50 PM
3 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: ghare: the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service

Wait, your can of Arrid deodorant, Irish Spring soap, Suave shampoo and Crest toothpaste are better than the ones I buy at Walmart? Better service, do they give you a hand job while waiting in line where you shop?


Yes. It's no big secret that suppliers have special lower grade products runs just for Walmart to meet their demand on prices. The box may have the same name on it but often it is an inferior product.
2013-07-26 06:21:48 PM
3 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: silvervial: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

I have never set foot in a Walmart and I don't even know where one is located in my vicinity.

Suck it.

Tell us how you don't own a TV, bicycle to work and enjoy PBR while you're at it.


I have a 52 incher, two cars, and never drink any alcohol at all because it makes me projectile vomit.

I just happen to care about ethical corporations and do my shopping at those. Costco all the way, buddy.
2013-07-26 06:18:05 PM
3 votes:

revrendjim: I heard (from a regional-level Wal-Mart manager) that some of their products have lower prices because they are lower quality, even if they are well-known national brands. Wal-Mart controls about a fourth of all the grocery business in the US and has so much leverage that they can demand lower prices from their suppliers, so the manufacturers run special batches just for Wal-Mart where they use inferior ingredients and cut corners any way they can.


A cousin of mine works for a factory that produces area rugs, bathroom carpets, that kind of thing. They have a production line for their other customers and a separate line for Walmart that uses lesser materials and runs faster in order to make the margins Walmart demands. He told me they call it the "Chain Gang" since it's for the new hires and the current employees with attendance and attitude problems -- he also told me not to buy their products from Walmart since they'll be threadbare garbage in no time.
2013-07-26 06:15:50 PM
3 votes:

ghare: TuteTibiImperes: BMFPitt: I came to refute the derp, but then it was a video so fark that until someone makes a list.

No derp, just facts like Wal-Mart drives local businesses out of business and despite record profits still pays so little that in many states Wal-Mart employees are the largest group on public assistance.  Just getting the message out there that the low prices you pay have a hidden cost in your tax dollars because Wal-Mart won't pay enough for employees to live without government funded assistance.

This is exactly what happens to the "savings" taxpayers get when things are privatized. Your taxes don't actually go down, and your service doesn't go up, when all the externalities are actually considered.


This is so true. Does anyone even realize it?

If the GOP succeeds in killing the post office, does anyone think that we'll have *better* or *cheaper* mail service?

No, it will be less convenient and more expensive, period!

And the postal service isn't even a cost to the taxpayers!
2013-07-26 06:04:22 PM
3 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self


Oh, definitely, the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service, and to not be subjected to the generally horrific experience is well worth it to me. Local businessmen get my money normally. Hell, I even get better-than-Wal-Mart pricing  frequently.
2013-07-26 05:51:45 PM
3 votes:

OregonVet: Why not just raise minimum wage?


Because that leads to shiftless people getting more than they deserve. The Waltons deserve the money more, having earned all that cash by falling out of the right cooter.
2013-07-26 05:28:51 PM
3 votes:
Nailed it.
2013-07-26 04:44:39 PM
3 votes:
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2013-07-27 03:29:45 PM
2 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: LOL. They're not victims. They willingly took a job at a certain wage. Don't be so stupid to believe that these people would e better off without their job at Walmart.


And thanks to that wage the entire US economy suffers. Plus WalMart gets to use welfare to subsidize itself.
2013-07-27 11:57:21 AM
2 votes:
I like shopping me at the Walmart.  As a conservative, I like the idea of depriving American manufacturers of jobs, screwing American workers out of a living wage, and love the idea of a business using its wealth to destroy the economies of American towns.

Republicans:  Love America, hate Americans.
2013-07-27 09:32:32 AM
2 votes:

wildcardjack: Throughout the 80's and 90's you found computers everywhere in business except increased productivity.

Meanwhile, Walmart's innovations reduced prices for consumers. Applying innovations like cross-docking, JIT, and commands such "stop putting underarm deodorant in cardboard boxes"

This company concentrates consumption as a lower cost then takes the profits out of the community. But be real, other than union grocery stores the rest of retail is working on getting employees to take 2/3 time jobs at minimum wage.


I don't think that anyone will argue that, apart from a few exceptions, we aren't seeing a race to the bottom. There is no question that Wal*Mart has vastly optimized it's operations in order to compete for business based on price. The problem is that those are one time optimizations and you can't get significant improvements in operational costs year over year for the long term.

So Wal*Mart turned its attention to other ways of cutting costs. One way to do this is analyze their suppliers and then dictate a buy price that helps the WalMart bottom line at the expense of their supplier's profit margins. WalMart, as the number one retailer, is in a unique position to be able to break a manufacturer by dropping it's product which gives WalMart huge leverage in price negotiations. There comes a point where the supplier can't make that price with domestic production which is where WalMart recommends that production be moved overseas and provides expertise on how to make that transition. At this point the supplier is in too deep and refusal of WalMart's terms would result in a loss of a significant fraction of their business and massive drops in stock price. They are no longer an independent business entity but a satellite of WalMart.

But you can't squeeze your suppliers year after year for long, eventually there's nothing left to squeeze. Shareholders and the board still demand double digit returns so they trim wages. Hourly employees see wages stagnate and the workload increase as store staffing is reduced, benefits are cut, and individual hours are cut. Both salaried and hourly employees see mandatory unpaid overtime, off the clock work time, and stagnating wages.

WalMart is a success story but it is built on a foundation of human suffering.
2013-07-27 08:23:13 AM
2 votes:
Bill Clinton signed NAFTA and made China a permanent most favored trading nation because of his and Hilary's ties to Walmart.

Walmart has literally ruined our middle class.
2013-07-27 01:27:17 AM
2 votes:

Philip Francis Queeg: TuteTibiImperes: SkorzenyNinja: Alright, so I'm here to drop some anecdotal retorts in Tolstoy wall-o-text form. Take this all with a huge grain of salt if you will. Let me begin by clarifying that I'm a dirty hippy and a registered Democrat, voted for Fartbongo twice (three times if you include against Hillary) and continue to support the evil liberal agenda in non-presidential election years (I'm looking at you, lazy assholes that farked everything up in the Tea Tard wave of 2010). I'm certainly on the lower end of the economic scale, so I appreciate the lower prices at Wally World.

I also have family that work at Wal-Mart, one family member specifically. They get about $10.50-$11 an hour I believe, full time with health insurance and all after five years with the company. Right there, that is above the average wage this fine gentleman spoke of in his video, and that is only for a cashier. I don't know if living in Colorado is a part of that, but there you go. Full time, pay that's moderately above minimum wage, and the all powerful health insurance. Thanks to this healthcare, their significant other was recently able to retire comfortably after 35+ years with their own job. In my mind, that is a solid on Wal-Mart.

Does it take 5 years to get benefits?  That seems like an absurdly long amount of time.  Most reputable companies start full benefits at the hire date, or 30/60/90 days after hire.

Also, 5 years in and only $11 an hour?  That's not exactly something that people should be shooting for.

Yep that's just about the poverty line for a family of 3.


That's poverty line for a single guy, let alone some poor sap with a wife and kid.

$15/hr is the minimum to keep your head above water and not be living out of food pantries and used clothes.

$25/hr is what any Journeyman in the country could count on in a job and everybody thought was a damn good job 4 DECADES ago, and is still considered good pay today. Something is seriously wrong with that.
2013-07-27 01:21:10 AM
2 votes:

Captain Dan: because it's a financial decision,


It's a shiatty financial decision and you should feel bad for making it. It has nothing to do with libruls, dear.
2013-07-27 12:18:02 AM
2 votes:
So people shop at Wal-Mart to stick it to the libs?
2013-07-26 10:55:03 PM
2 votes:

Descartes: When it's cheaper at Target, I'll buy it there.


If you're buying canned green beans instead of frozen or fresh you already fail at food budgeting.*

Enjoy your 'beetus and hypertension.

/* unless you are stocking an emergency food pantry for hurricanes or earthquakes. Throw in a can or two of Spam while you're at it.
2013-07-26 10:51:49 PM
2 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: bbfreak: Captain Dan: Walmart is awesome.  The exact same products I'd buy elsewhere, for less money - that's a no-brainer.  If you don't like it, shop elsewhere.

With a few exceptions, most of the opposition to Walmart is either political (anti-free trade left) or fronting ("I pay extra for my invisible clothing because I'm morally enlightened").

So you like the fact that your tax dollars are going towards subsiding Walmart employees eh?

If he is, his beef is with politicians and voters who enact these subsidies, not Walmart.

Don't like giving people handouts with tax dollars? Then don't.


Well for the record I am not against a social safety net, but I believe that there being opportunities for the poor and uneducated (IE: Not having a college degree) decreases the need for such a safety net. So far if you don't go to college your choices are retail/food service and maybe something better if you can get it, or the military. Assuming you can pay for college, and assuming you can get those businesses like Walmart and its ilk to give you a flexible schedule so you can go to school.

I am against having an underclass of society that can barely afford to earn a living in a year, its good for no-one. Its not good for the economy, its not good for our society, and the idea that its OK because yay capitalism is bullshiat. What does all of this have to do with Walmart? Its the biggest employer in the US, and its business policy towards its employees sets the standard.
2013-07-26 09:38:03 PM
2 votes:

Captain Dan: Walmart is awesome.  The exact same products I'd buy elsewhere, for less money - that's a no-brainer.  If you don't like it, shop elsewhere.


Except they're usually not. Even the brand-names are far shoddier than they would be elsewhere.

That's the trick to another promo they have: "If you find a lower price on the same item in another store, we'll match it!" ...except even if you find that lower price, you'll find out that it's not "really" the exact same item. "See, that's model 121J, while we carry model 121JW, a model exclusive to Wal-Mart stores!" ...and made with cheaper materials and/or comes with less stuff.
2013-07-26 09:33:34 PM
2 votes:

Selena Luna: Debeo Summa Credo: peacheslatour: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

You would.

So do millions and millions of other people, because they can get more for their money there.

Shake your impotent fists of rage all you want, this is a fact.

Over time, it costs considerably more. When the only clothes I could afford were WalMart clothes, I was replacing them all the time. I can afford better clothes now and they last much longer. I realize this is an anecdote, but it's also the case with most of the crap. Your money doesn't go further there.


Remember, cost is money x time. Which costs less, really: Something that you pay $400 for that lasts six months, or something you pay $600 for that lasts 2 years?
2013-07-26 08:56:49 PM
2 votes:

Captain Dan: Walmart is awesome.  The exact same products I'd buy elsewhere, for less money - that's a no-brainer.  If you don't like it, shop elsewhere.

With a few exceptions, most of the opposition to Walmart is either political (anti-free trade left) or fronting ("I pay extra for my invisible clothing because I'm morally enlightened").


So you like the fact that your tax dollars are going towards subsiding Walmart employees eh?
2013-07-26 08:10:16 PM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Yes, Colgate has two toothpaste production lines. One for tubes going to Walmart and one for everywhere else.


You're half right. Colgate has to change its formulas in order to meet Wal-Mart's demands.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/06/us-usa-consumer-walmart-id US TRE8250GM20120306

Companies often try to trim costs in ways that consumers will not notice. From 2007 to 2011, Colgate cut 36 percent of its formulas and 29 percent of the individual items it sells, or SKUs, according to Colgate-Palmolive Co (CL.N) Chief Executive Ian Cook. From 2008 until 2011, it reduced the number of fragrances it uses in various products by 26 percent.
This year, Colgate aims to trim another 5 percent of SKUs and fragrances and 3 percent more formulas, he said.
2013-07-26 07:59:47 PM
2 votes:

ghare: Popcorn Johnny: max_pooper: Yes. It's no big secret that suppliers have special lower grade products runs just for Walmart to meet their demand on prices. The box may have the same name on it but often it is an inferior product.

As I pointed out, that's for some electronics. I've never noticed a difference in anything I've bought at a Walmart when compared to buying the same item at another store. I have shiat all over my house that's from Walmart, CVS, Target and other places and I couldn't pick out those that were bought at Walmart if I tried.
12349876: Popcorn Johnny: 12349876: You claim you only care about money and you're buying name brands?

I'm buying name brands cheaper.

Store brands are cheaper than any name brand anywhere.  You should be getting store brands or else you're taking quality into account not just price.

Publix has pretty good store-brand stuff


I like Publix because it's barely more expensive than Wal Mart, it's privately run, the employees get stock based on the amount of time that they've worked there, they have good employees, they hire the mentally handicapped but able for certain small positions, and the eye-candy is nearly as good as Whole Foods.
2013-07-26 07:55:43 PM
2 votes:

silvervial: Look at it in terms of internet service providers. We've all seen what has happened in the last 20 years.

There used to be about 25 small ISPs when home internet started around 1995 (in my area). You could shop around and pick which one gave you the best service and price.

Now, the only, the ONLY, option for an ISP in my area is Comcast. They bought out or drove out of business all the small providers in less than 20 years, using various methods, and yes, one of those methods was price, in the beginning. Once the competition was gone, the rates have gone up and the service has gotten worse, and it's only going to get worse because they KNOW we have no other option.

And to provide competitive options will take another communications behemoth, because only they have the capital needed to put in their own lines, etc. A mom and pop ISP can't operate anymore. And the more rural you are, the fewer options you have, and that includes stores.


It's not exactly the same thing.  In 1995 it was pretty much all dial-up, you called into a bank of modems at the ISP central location that was served by a high speed line that they purchased and linked you to the rest of the Internet.

When broadband started taking over the infrastructure costs drove the small time players out.  Comcast already owned the cable lines going to your house, so they were the ones who could offer the service.  Around here if you want cable internet Comcast is the only game in town, but if you are willing to deal with DSL you can go with CenturyLink, and if you want satellite broadband you can go with Dish or Hughesnet.  If you want dial up you can still get service through a couple companies.

Verizon and AT&T have been trying to compete by laying fiber to the home or fiber to the node in some areas, though it's mostly available only in heavily urbanized population centers and the areas immediately surrounding them for now.  Wireless broadband has potential, but we'll need a much more robust wireless infrastructure nationwide to take the load of both increasing phone data and data from what used to be handled through cable/DSL/whatever if we expect decent speeds without ridiculously small bandwidth caps.

I suppose the government could mandate line sharing so that other companies could use Comcast's network to offer their own service, but that never seems to have caught on.
2013-07-26 07:51:15 PM
2 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: Sergeant Grumbles: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).

And if you'd understood anything you read, you'd see that everyone is mentioning the hidden price of shopping there, mainly via taxes to support Wal-Mart's poverty wages.

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: People around here can be so farking stupid.

Right back at ya.

Don't like subsidizing the workers? Cut the farking subsidy!!!

Its not walmarts fault. If Walmart wasnt around, we'd be paying even more to support these people, and every other poor person who now shops at Walmart would have a harder time making ends meet!


Yes, it's the WORKERS' fault Walmart refuses to pay them a decent wage!
2013-07-26 07:48:31 PM
2 votes:
Look at it in terms of internet service providers. We've all seen what has happened in the last 20 years.

There used to be about 25 small ISPs when home internet started around 1995 (in my area). You could shop around and pick which one gave you the best service and price.

Now, the only, the ONLY, option for an ISP in my area is Comcast. They bought out or drove out of business all the small providers in less than 20 years, using various methods, and yes, one of those methods was price, in the beginning. Once the competition was gone, the rates have gone up and the service has gotten worse, and it's only going to get worse because they KNOW we have no other option.

And to provide competitive options will take another communications behemoth, because only they have the capital needed to put in their own lines, etc. A mom and pop ISP can't operate anymore. And the more rural you are, the fewer options you have, and that includes stores.
2013-07-26 07:28:52 PM
2 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: Smells like bullshiat. A vendor is going to put their name on a shiattier quality product just for walmart? No chance.


This is documented fact.

http://www.cio.com/article/31948/Supply_Chain_Partnerships_How_Levi_s _ Got_Its_Jeans_into_Wal_Mart
2013-07-26 07:24:46 PM
2 votes:
It really is amusing to see right-wingers shilling for corporations with big ties to the Chinese. I suppose hating Communists takes a back seat to pissing off the libs, eh?
2013-07-26 07:16:24 PM
2 votes:

SkorzenyNinja: HeartBurnKid: SkorzenyNinja: They get about $10.50-$11 an hour I believe, full time with health insurance and all after five years with the company.

It took 5 years to get to that point?  Sorry, but she got gypped.  I work in an inbound call center for a hotel chain, and our reps hit that point within 90 days.

/they start out full time at $10 an hour
//after 90 days, they get health insurance and a $0.50 raise
///and then they get performance bonuses on top of that

Agreed, it's not great. That's not what I'm trying to say. I'm asking you to compare to other locations of the same nature: Target, Kroger, Safeway, etc. In that kind of job market, you take what you can get, and from what I've seen/heard it's usually starting in the $8.00 range, even full time.


Not sure how it is where you live, but the local versions of Kroger and Safeway where I live (Ralph's and Vons, respectively) are unionized and start new hires at, I believe, $11.00 per hour.
2013-07-26 07:00:24 PM
2 votes:
They should shut the entire company down.  The people that work there will find jobs in all the Mom and Pop shops that will instantly spring up to fulfill the demand.  And of course Mom and Pop shops are much better employers than major corporations.  They are more friendly to the environment, they pay better, they have better health care, sell better products at better prices.  There is no downside.

/oh, it doesn't work that way?
2013-07-26 06:55:14 PM
2 votes:

Descartes: [www.meijer.com image 400x400]


When it's cheaper at Target, I'll buy it there.


It's cheaper to buy them fresh.  They taste better and are better for you.  They take less than 3 mins to cook.
2013-07-26 06:45:29 PM
2 votes:

OregonVet: Why not just raise minimum wage?


I know that sounds like a simple solution but it is not.  You raise minimum wage and the price of stuff goes up immediately.

Unfortunately in our current system where the corporations have everyone by the balls all that raising the minimum wage translates into is everyone making more than minimum wage earning less on a sliding scale.  So you were doing okay at 15 bucks an hour.  Look! minimum wage jumped to 10 bucks an hour and now you at 15 bucks an hour are spending 10-20% more for exactly the same needed products you bought before it jumped.  Raising minimum wage will not make you jump from 15 to 16-17 bucks an hour.  You will end up with less disposable income and will end up more likely needing assistance

They want to make this work we need to pass some sort of legislation that states:  If any employee of any company qualifies for government subsidies  the cost of those subsidies  will be returned by said company in full as a form of tax.

^  Doing something like that may allow capitalism to work while still being socialist enough to take into account the human element.  We currently let corporations trample all over the human element at the cost of 10 of billions a dollars yearly out of your pocket.
2013-07-26 06:43:35 PM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: 12349876: And the same reasons you choose a name brand over a store brand is the same reason some of us choose to shop somewhere other than Wal Mart.

What?


He is saying walmart is a shiatty brand, not necessarily because of the products they sell but the way they conduct business and achieve higher profits by having their labor costs subsidized by tax payer programs that provide benefits to their employees. So some of us choose different brands.
2013-07-26 06:37:00 PM
2 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Some of us take more than price into account like a shopping experience that isn't shiatty.  Wal Mart has gotten shiatty to the point where it's gotten worse than farking KMart.  And I'm saying this as someone who enjoyed Wal Mart 15 years ago.

Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.


If you shop at WalMart and don't think it is shiatty, you are one of the "People of Walmart" that makes it shiatty for normal people to shop there.
2013-07-26 06:28:50 PM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


You sound poor.
2013-07-26 06:24:48 PM
2 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: ghare: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Oh, definitely, the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service, and to not be subjected to the generally horrific experience is well worth it to me. Local businessmen get my money normally. Hell, I even get better-than-Wal-Mart pricing  frequently.

Hmm. You'd think that Walmart wouldnt have grown to the sales volume it currently has if it offered lower quality merchandise, poorer service, and a generally horrific experience, while not offering better pricing than elsewhere.


In some places, it's brand recognition. In the town I come from, the pro big business people think they're "sticking it to the government" by shopping at Walmart, because my hometown has lots of morons. In some places, there is nowhere else to buy certain things-that's the case in Gallup, where I do most of my shopping. I can buy nearly everything elsewhere from Walmart, but if I have a particular cooking utensil that I need quickly, I have to go there. And I do, and then I order the same thing online, for a week later when the cooking utensil from Walmart breaks into a dozen pieces.

The only time I would recommend going there is when you have kids at that age where they need new clothes every two months because they're growing too tall for their old clothes. Even then, if you have a goodwill or a salvation army or something like that, go there.
2013-07-26 06:23:48 PM
2 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.


Let's see, the one in Stockton, California, is pretty damned disgusting. And the one in Anchorage, Alaska, requires a tetanus shot before you can leave the building... But, it's not the cleanliness that's the issue. Nor is it the decor (Costco has no decor and doesn't feel as shiatty as a WalMart). It's the thick film of desperation and poverty that permeates the buildings like some horrific miasma. Every time I've been in a WalMart I've felt like I needed a squeegee and a bath in acid to get the stink off of me.
2013-07-26 06:16:56 PM
2 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: peacheslatour: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

You would.

So do millions and millions of other people, because they can get more for their money there.

Shake your impotent fists of rage all you want, this is a fact.


Over time, it costs considerably more. When the only clothes I could afford were WalMart clothes, I was replacing them all the time. I can afford better clothes now and they last much longer. I realize this is an anecdote, but it's also the case with most of the crap. Your money doesn't go further there.
2013-07-26 06:12:54 PM
2 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: Hmm. You'd think that Walmart wouldnt have grown to the sales volume it currently has if it offered lower quality merchandise, poorer service, and a generally horrific experience, while not offering better pricing than elsewhere.


It grew by doing all those things, but they slowly went out the window after Sam Walton died.
2013-07-26 06:05:38 PM
2 votes:

ghare: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Oh, definitely, the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service, and to not be subjected to the generally horrific experience is well worth it to me. Local businessmen get my money normally. Hell, I even get better-than-Wal-Mart pricing  frequently.


There is a new saying.

"I'm too poor to shop at Wal-Mart, because I always have to replace the cheap shiat I buy from there".
2013-07-26 05:54:28 PM
2 votes:
i did like the benghazi reference.
2013-07-26 05:54:10 PM
2 votes:
5 defenders? Are the people who shop there not considered "defenders"? They're the reason Walmart has been so successful doing business the way they do. If you have a gripe with Walmart, don't shop there. You CAN make a difference. If they are limited to selling to their 5 defenders, they'll go out of business and all those poor people working there will be released from their shackles, going free.
2013-07-26 05:53:54 PM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


Well, Wal-Mart screws consumers and employees alike in the name of the Almighty Profit, so of course they're a Republican hero.
2013-07-26 05:53:53 PM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


Unemployed, or on disability?
2013-07-26 05:53:10 PM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


I'm sorry.
2013-07-26 05:45:48 PM
2 votes:

brainscab: Speaking of outsourcing,
Didn't current just sell to an arab country?


Well, no. Al Jazeera bought Current TV. It's going to switch to Al Jazeera America.

This is a good thing.

http://gawker.com/5972707/all-the-best-bigoted-reactions-to-al-jazee ra s-purchasing-of-current-tv
2013-07-26 05:16:50 PM
2 votes:
Wait, people still defend Wal-Mart?

I mean besides stock-holders?
2013-07-27 10:26:39 PM
1 votes:

meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.


As the manager of four retail establishments right now... you couldn't be more wrong. Not a single person on my payroll makes minimum wage, nobody who has been there for more than a year makes less than 10 an hour, everyone has the option of opting in to the health insurance, and I have never once asked someone to work off the clock... to be more to the point, I would fire any manager who asked employees to work off the clock, and I would write up any employee who did so without a managers knowledge. I am considerate in scheduling, and I have never done (what I had done to me) any schedules that had people involuntarily working clopens, or arbitrarily put people in departments or areas where I felt their personal skillset was better utilized elsewhere. I have never used profanity to describe another employee, I have never once even considered paying someone of a different gender differently based on that.

More than just actions though, there is a deeper difference between how I operate and how some big-box stores operate. I'm a firm believer that people live up to, or down to, expectations. I pay more because I want employees who know that the job their doing is worth more, that they are worth more. When I was lower on the totem pole, I did not understand how managers expected people to look out for the companies best interest when nobody was looking out for theirs... as a manager, I still don't, so I try my best to look out for peoples best interest, and to help them. Sometimes that means little things like switching schedules so someone can have the same days off as a loved one... other times it means buying someone a cheap bike so they can get to and from work more easily. The thing is, for all the talk of "teamwork" and "values" that saturate those shiatty stores... they don't value employees, and management could give two shiats about you (how's that for a teammate).

With respect to buying and pressuring buyers... I turn the screws for products made in America... I go out of my way to explain supply chain management and transportation cost delays (e.g. when we ran out of facemasks this winter for weeks in a row) such that buyers understand that saving a few pennies per unit isn't worth the overall cost of having a months-long kink in our supply chain when we need stuff *now.* Wal-Mart is... a prime case for this... they understaff their stores, they under-buy their quotas (as evidenced by the numerous claims in this thread of baron shelves)... they've cut costs to the point that they are ready to weather any bad storm... they're ready for bad days... but they aren't at all ready to succeed... they lack the personnel, the product, and the know-how to actually have any kind of decent impact beyond their incessant normal slow growth of capitalizing on the people with the lowest disposable incomes. The reality for Wal-Mart is that they leave money on the table because their mentality is that it doesn't matter... they don't care that on a good day, if they saw an uptick of say 30% traffic lasting a couple weeks... they don't care if customers can't get service, can't find product, or whatever... they don't see that opportunity cost as a loss... all they focus on is what product actually moved. It may not bite them in the ass now, but eventually it will. Fortunately, the void is easy to fill... mom and pop stores will start up again as Wal-Mart falters, and contrary to the assessment of the blow-hards, the downfall of Wall-mart will not be detrimental to the rest of the economy at all, the jobs will just be in more, smaller, more agile (in the business sense) stores that actually respond to customer needs.
2013-07-27 06:25:36 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: Ablejack: Yeah, they (Starbucks) actually treat their employees pretty well too. I was being sarcastic as a tactic to argue against the claim that every store or shop is as crappy as Wal-Mart.

The really funny thing about Charbucks is that despite their corporate behemoth overlord status, you can't hardly spit in Seattle without hitting a mom-and-pop espresso cart/business/empire.


And most of the those mom-and-pop outfits pay only minimum wage and offer zero benefits.  But the hipsters can sit in them drinking a latte that cost even more than the one a starbucks and biatch about how evil the large corporation is and how it enslaves the workers.

I'm not in Seattle, but the mom-and-pop shop I tried here is crap.  The mocha tastes like it was made with rancid milk.  I tried them twice, thinking the first time was an off day.  Nope.  The second one was rancid, too.  So now I drive an extra block to go to starbucks.
2013-07-27 04:43:58 PM
1 votes:
I shop at Cost-Co over Wal-Mart because A) the prices are comparable B) the employees are better paid and usually much friendlier and more helpful and C) I don't have to worry about buying subpar crap that's going to break down quickly.

They game the system as policy in order to maximize profits at everyone else's ultimate expense and I personally find that practice unsupportable and unsustainable in the long term.
2013-07-27 04:01:17 PM
1 votes:

OgreMagi: Ablejack: The My Little Pony Killer: meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.

You have a citation for this tidbit?

Sure, just look at Starbucks, the other giant Mom & Pop killer.

Except the reality is the exact opposite.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/hey_wait_a_minute/20 07 /12/dont_fear_starbucks.html


Yeah, they (Starbucks) actually treat their employees pretty well too. I was being sarcastic as a tactic to argue against the claim that every store or shop is as crappy as Wal-Mart.
2013-07-27 03:46:35 PM
1 votes:

Ablejack: The My Little Pony Killer: meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.

You have a citation for this tidbit?

Sure, just look at Starbucks, the other giant Mom & Pop killer.


Except the reality is the exact opposite.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/hey_wait_a_minute/20 07 /12/dont_fear_starbucks.html
2013-07-27 03:42:31 PM
1 votes:

Fart_Machine: Dwight_Yeast: And that's just grocery stores, which are not an easy job to work; there are plenty of higher-end retail jobs were workers are treated and paid well.

Sort of like how In N Out proved you don't have to pay workers slave wages to be successful at fast food.


Ditto for Starbucks.  They pay above minimum wage, have health care and profit sharing.   In 2009 they made the Fortune's 100 best companies to work for (for the 11th time).

My sister worked for them and considered them a good employer.
2013-07-27 02:15:11 PM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: LordJiro: Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.

They wouldn't be in poverty if Walmart paid a living wage and didn't stiff them on hours, and didn't run the businesses that DO provide those things out of town.

But go ahead, keep blaming the victim

LOL. They're not victims. They willingly took a job at a certain wage. Don't be so stupid to believe that these people would e better off without their job at Walmart.


They'd be better off if WalMart actually paid the full cost of of their labor rather than shifting a portion of that cost to the taxpayer.
2013-07-27 01:03:20 PM
1 votes:

knowless: @Debeo Summa credo; I've only been in like three walmarts in my life, each one has between filthy with rude employees.. I don't understand the appeal of the place, it wasn't even cheaper then other comparable places..


In which part of the country do you live?

ITT, we've heard that walmart has filthy stores, rude employees, offers miserable shopping experiences, shoddy quality product, bad value, and pricing that can be beaten elsewhere. Also ITT, we've heard that their still making "record" profits. Those things don't add up.

If they really offer such shiatty service and value, don't shop there. They'll eventually go out of business and we can all be happy.
2013-07-27 12:27:38 PM
1 votes:

Dwight_Yeast: And that's just grocery stores, which are not an easy job to work; there are plenty of higher-end retail jobs were workers are treated and paid well.


Sort of like how In N Out proved you don't have to pay workers slave wages to be successful at fast food.
2013-07-27 12:25:10 PM
1 votes:

wildcardjack: This company concentrates consumption as a lower cost then takes the profits out of the community. But be real, other than union grocery stores the rest of retail is working on getting employees to take 2/3 time jobs at minimum wage.


Not true at all.  Whole Foods (run by some nutty conservative) is non-union, yet the pay and bennies are so good people work hard to work they (I think you start getting health insurance once you're more than 20 hours a week).  Likewise, Trader Joe's, which is run by another branch of the same family who run Aldi's treats workers so well that even though they're always running around like squirrels on speed, I've yet to talk to one who didn't know exactly where what I needed was, and I've yet to see one who wasn't happy with what they're doing.

And that's just grocery stores, which are not an easy job to work; there are plenty of higher-end retail jobs were workers are treated and paid well.

LasersHurt: If your argument in defense of Wal-Mart is "they're successful, therefore correct, get over it," you're missing the point SOOOO HAAARD.


That seems to be the current, most common defense for any and all unfettered capitialism.
2013-07-27 11:55:18 AM
1 votes:

pueblonative: Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.

Having children is evil?  Wow, that really puts a spin on the whole pro-life movement in this country.  Those people are farking satanists!  Or maybe it's the poor decision making.  Well, if they made the wrong choice, then the decision should be to give them more choices, now, isn't it.  You know, maybe a way to control when they have the birth of a child to a more fortunate time when they can fully afford the expense.  Cause clearly they can't go up and demand a raise, now, can they?  What was that saying, "A communist is any son of a biatch who wants a quarter when we're paying a dime!"


Children born in poverty are worse off than crack babies, subjecting a child to a life of poverty is evil.
2013-07-27 11:07:59 AM
1 votes:

ghare: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

Unemployed, or on mental disability?



FTFY.

You should see him in the hockey threads.
2013-07-27 10:14:42 AM
1 votes:

b0rg9: You either own Walmart or you work at Walmart.

/the future


You know they tried to get licensed to operate a Wal*Mart Bank in their stores?  If that hadn't been shot down federally, they'd be paying their employees checks that are deposited directly back into Wal*Mart.  They'd be offering 'preferential' loan options for employees and would be garnishing wages to pay down the loans.

About 6 years ago, we came *this* close to going back to company towns.
2013-07-27 10:12:57 AM
1 votes:
Christie Walton: 28.2 B.  11th richest person in the world.
Jim Walton: 26.7 B.  14th richest person in the world.
Alice Walton: 26.3 B.  16th richest person in the world.
S. Robson Walton: 26.1 B. 17th richest person in the world.

Combined wealth: 107.3 B.

Cannot afford to pay living wages to their employees.

Theo Albrecht, Jr. (Aldi's, Trader Joes): 18.9 B.  31st richest person in the world.

Can afford to pay living wages to their employees.


Commie-pinko-socialist-elitist source below:
http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/
2013-07-27 10:04:35 AM
1 votes:

Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.


They wouldn't be in poverty if Walmart paid a living wage and didn't stiff them on hours, and didn't run the businesses that DO provide those things out of town.

But go ahead, keep blaming the victim
2013-07-27 10:03:25 AM
1 votes:

whither_apophis: TuteTibiImperes: BMFPitt: I came to refute the derp, but then it was a video so fark that until someone makes a list.

No derp, just facts like Wal-Mart drives local businesses out of business and despite record profits still pays so little that in many states Wal-Mart employees are the largest group on public assistance.  Just getting the message out there that the low prices you pay have a hidden cost in your tax dollars because Wal-Mart won't pay enough for employees to live without government funded assistance.

Too many big words, these are people of the land, the common clay of the new West.

/"Buy from Wal-Mart, support commie Chinese."


Sadly, it's no different than the person with the big 'BUY AMERICAN' sticker on their Toyota.  They just can't see the disconnect.

Debeo Summa Credo: ghare: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Oh, definitely, the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service, and to not be subjected to the generally horrific experience is well worth it to me. Local businessmen get my money normally. Hell, I even get better-than-Wal-Mart pricing  frequently.

Hmm. You'd think that Walmart wouldnt have grown to the sales volume it currently has if it offered lower quality merchandise, poorer service, and a generally horrific experience, while not offering better pricing than elsewhere.


Except that if you buy shiat at a WalMart, it's really cheap shiat.  When I used to shop there, I noticed that most of the crap you can buy there is a. made in China and b. usually falls apart long before something that you actually pay a bit more for will.

So if you enjoy paying 3 or 4 times to replace something that you could have paid once for, be my guest.  WalMart is cheaper, but they sell cheap shiat.  It's really that simple.
2013-07-27 09:34:36 AM
1 votes:

Captain Dan: 2. Which business practices are you upset about? Specifically, not "they're greedy and furthermore capitalism."


How about them subsidizing their employees off the government teat and actively pushing employees onto medicaid and food stamps for starters?  That really should get them a nice income tax increase.

And to the fark wads that say, "just eliminate the subsidies! That's not Wal Mart's fault!"

1.  Personal beliefs aside, the notion that we care for our fellow man and help the poor is kinda a good one and one that is promoted by major religions not involving a chain smoking, mass murderer worshipping immigrant welfare queen.
2.  We have a few examples from history of what happens  a mass of hungry, poor people are told by the upper class, "fark you, I've got mine"  18th Century France, 20th Century Russia and Germany.  Oh, and having easy access to guns kinda will speed the lesson  along.for the slow learners.
3.  Contrary to popular belief, reigning in capitalism and regulations designed to curb some of the excesses don't amount to an obituary for capitalism.  Quite the opposite.
2013-07-27 09:11:27 AM
1 votes:
Really folks. What the hell is up with Walmart. The entire operation reeks of evil. Everything about how it's run, it's employees, it's creepy Orwellian TV spots, it's corportate family gang mentality, it's predatory nature against its workers, it's vendors, against local city governments. It's a massive shakedown against our entire society, and really needs to be tamed.
2013-07-27 07:13:45 AM
1 votes:
If your argument in defense of Wal-Mart is "they're successful, therefore correct, get over it," you're missing the point SOOOO HAAARD.
2013-07-27 06:25:57 AM
1 votes:

ghare: People who have no option but to shop at Wal-Mart will defend Wal-Mart.


I have no option but to shop at walmart. (It's the only place open when I'm in town) but you won't see me defend it. I can only imagine how soul crushing it is to work there.
2013-07-27 03:53:58 AM
1 votes:

BMFPitt: I will still shop there if the price is 30% more. Especially if the workers are better treated.

Why? That would make then significantly more expensive than their competitors. If you're saying you'd pay more for better-paid workers, why aren't you shopping at a place that pays workers better right now?


I do, and the name of the place is spelled C-O-S-T-C-O. The local one is right across the street from a Wal-Mart, so I've had opportunity to compare both of them with a 100 yard or so stroll.
I walk into Costco... clean, well-lit, they have what I want and people of above average intelligence to help me find it, including well made american, japanese, korean and european brands.

I walk into the WalMart... it's like a farking George Romero movie. Filthy walked through puddles of crap spilled on the floor, items and clothing that feel as if they will fall apart as you try them on, and checkout people who seem to have left a few chromosomes at home. I won't even go into what the zombie customer base was like.

There is no comparison. I pay more for Costco, but I only have to buy it once.
2013-07-27 03:18:44 AM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: peacheslatour: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

You would.

So do millions and millions of other people, because they can get more for their money there.

Shake your impotent fists of rage all you want, this is a fact.


Should we feel sorry for the person who would forge the chains used to keep him in bondage?

The whole point behind the "impotent rage" as you call it is that people are NOT getting more for their money there, because they are paying the salaries of those employees (and their corporate masters) in taxes. If they were smart enough to realize this, Walmart would go out of business tomorrow, but they count on the stupidity, stubbornness and sloth of the american suburbanite to continue their existence and increase their profits.

The irony is that the people who would support such corporations are the same ones who b*tch about paying more taxes all the time, and are too slow-witted to realize why.
2013-07-27 01:39:42 AM
1 votes:

revrendjim: I heard (from a regional-level Wal-Mart manager) that some of their products have lower prices because they are lower quality, even if they are well-known national brands. Wal-Mart controls about a fourth of all the grocery business in the US and has so much leverage that they can demand lower prices from their suppliers, so the manufacturers run special batches just for Wal-Mart where they use inferior ingredients and cut corners any way they can.


Walmart used to be all about using their superior logistics to demand lower prices from suppliers. They claimed to pass the savings to customers. When that wasn't enough for the shareholders, they cut costs internally, by ignoring quality and shafting employees.

fark'em.
2013-07-27 01:36:22 AM
1 votes:

Lsherm: I Like Bread: Kazrath: You raise minimum wage and the price of stuff goes up immediately.

Anyone who condones this is a corporatist shill. The average CEO:worker pay ratio has gone from about 5:1 to 500:1 in the past 50 years. Their profits are higher and their taxes are lower than they've ever been. The idea that higher wages must come out of OUR pockets, not those of executives who are strangling their own companies, is indefensible. Still, conservatives have successfully created this big lie that capitalists are forces of nature, that their actions may not be opposed, and that any effort to ease the burden on the lower class actually HURTS them in the long run because the upper class have the power and influence to pass the buck.

Even though executive compensation is grossly out of proportion with what is deserved, you couldn't fund a minimum wage hike with their compensation.  It's not enough.


What?

Yes you could, here's how you do it, you progressively tax the shiat out of all compensation. Want to make more than, oh say $400k/year? You're paying 90% on every dollar to uncle Sam. All of a sudden it's no longer feasible to pay yourself more than $400k, the money is instead reinvested into either the company or compensating other employees. That's how we became the powerhouse of the world all through the 50's, 60's and 70's. EVERYBODY could make a good living, not just the lucky few in the top quintile.
2013-07-27 01:23:41 AM
1 votes:
tenpoundsofcheese (farkied: It ain't cheese): Lee Jackson Beauregard: meat0918: Wait, people still defend Wal-Mart?

I mean besides stock-holders?

Ctrl-F tenpoundsofcheese.

Meh.  They sell almost a half trillion dollars worth of stuff, so plenty of people vote with their wallet and support Walmart and their shareholders.


McDonald's is the best-selling fast food restaurant.  Pretty damn close to all of the others make better food.
2013-07-27 01:20:09 AM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: COMALite J: tbhouston: lawboy87: Costco, which has very loyal and happy employees who are paid well above the average for retail, for comparison:  Stock price - 10 yrs ago:  $31, today's close $116  (375% return on investment)

WalMart - with shoddy stores, unhappy employees and a pay and benefits package that barely beats out some 3rd world nations:  Stock price-  10 yrs ago $55, today's close $78 (141% ROI)


Which business model seems to be the most successful?  Paying your employees such a crap wage that you tend to draw the worst dregs of the employee market to man your stores; or providing a pay and benefits package that leads to having one of the highest employee retention and job satisfaction rates in retail?

How can the "geniuses" that run WalMart not see what is plain on its face?  More importantly, how can someone analyzing the retail market place looking for a place to buy some stock, not see that Costco provides close to 3 times the ROI than WalMart?

Oh look, it's that durrrrtard that compares Costco to Walmart instead of SAMs club.....

Oh, you wanna compare Sam's Club? Okay, we'll compare Sam's Club.
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What's your comeback now?

Walmart does not report financial data for Sam's club except year-to-year sales.

Weird that you chart would exclude the Earnings Per Share of the two companies.  Ya know the thing that investors actually care about.
  Walmart's Earnings Per Share is much higher than Costco. (5.07 vs. 4.54)

So tell me again, how Costco is getting more out of their workers?


You realize that earnings per share is a totally worthless metric, right? Price to earnings is better, but not foolproof because the price is calculated based on future potential. So in reality, a high p/e ratio would indicate that a stock is more prefered by the market, despite returning less on a current market price based evaluation. In the end, you're still a retard who has no idea what he's talking about.
2013-07-27 01:15:59 AM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: ghare: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Oh, definitely, the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service, and to not be subjected to the generally horrific experience is well worth it to me. Local businessmen get my money normally. Hell, I even get better-than-Wal-Mart pricing  frequently.

Hmm. You'd think that Walmart wouldnt have grown to the sales volume it currently has if it offered lower quality merchandise, poorer service, and a generally horrific experience, while not offering better pricing than elsewhere.


there is a huge difference between the days of Sam Walton's Wal-Mart and current day Sam in the Grave Greedy sibling WalMart, you dolt.
2013-07-26 11:55:12 PM
1 votes:

SomeoneDumb: The most enlightening thing about this thread isn't that some farkers shop at Walmart, it's that they seem to be proud of it.


You're misreading things.  Some anti-free trade liberals, including in this thread, are trying to imbue Walmart with moral valence.  Because Walmart does not forgo profit in favor of liberal political values, therefore Walmart is "bad" - and by implication, so are the people who shop there and enjoy its presence.

Most of those denigrated people, of which I am one, do not give a shiat about what some whiny liberals wish the world would be like.  We're neither proud nor ashamed of shopping at Walmart, because it's a financial decision, not a moral one.

What you read as "pride" is mostly backlash against the nosy liberals who want to impose their preferences on other people.
2013-07-26 11:44:55 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.



Oh my goodness, aren't we impressed with ourselves!

What a cute little internet contrarian you are!

Who's a big boy?

Who's a big boy?
2013-07-26 11:41:06 PM
1 votes:
Also of note for all those who are against welfare. The future is upon us. Automation is taking more and more jobs, which technically is a good thing, but only if we come to the realization that there aren't enough good paying jobs to go around. How we'll solve this issue I'm not sure, but its a reality that we'll be facing very soon.
2013-07-26 11:35:55 PM
1 votes:
The most enlightening thing about this thread isn't that some farkers shop at Walmart, it's that they seem to be proud of it.

/The nearest Walmart up here in the Calif high desert closed last week ... when the new Super WalMart opened. Now in addition to the husks of all the smaller stores that were shut down after Walmart moved in, there's the huge husk of an abandoned Walmart.
2013-07-26 11:10:10 PM
1 votes:

meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.


You claim that, why?
2013-07-26 11:06:10 PM
1 votes:
Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.
2013-07-26 10:47:12 PM
1 votes:

DORMAMU: Debeo Summa Credo: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Some of us take more than price into account like a shopping experience that isn't shiatty.  Wal Mart has gotten shiatty to the point where it's gotten worse than farking KMart.  And I'm saying this as someone who enjoyed Wal Mart 15 years ago.

Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.

Some of the walmarts local to me have gone rotating 6 month temp workers except for management.

11am and some shelves are bare.

That might be moar a local franchise thing tho.

I have on occasion shopped at wmart... I would say their quality is at/beyond the point of being worth the reduced prices.


no. that's wal marts "remix" real time sticking strategy. theoretically, no stock kept in stores, it should be arriving on trucks just as you need it.

/ worked for Wal-Mart when this was implemented. disaster for a lot of reasons, yet they keep farking that chicken.
2013-07-26 10:44:36 PM
1 votes:

wotthefark: jst3p: LarryDan43: Target has hotter women shopping. That's my reason to not go to Walmart.

Checking out too, don't know why but this has been my experience.

It is strange. We have a Target across the street from a Wally-mart and the MILFs do tend to go to Target. I think they cater more to the ladies than wally-mart but the price points are similar. There are watered down versions of TVs (Panasonic and sony are guilty of this) and watered down brand name clothing as well but target somehow makes their clothing lines acceptable to middle class people.


Their stores are clean, they keep enough registers open so you can get out easily, basically same price as Wal-Mart. Why not shop at the more pleasant place?
2013-07-26 10:35:06 PM
1 votes:

muddythinker: Apparently, hundreds of millions of shoppers are ignoring the message.

It's a free country.  Go to Whole Foods and mix with the elite, or shop with the poor people at Wal-Mart.  I like mixing with the latter myself.


There are a lot of white trash in this country and Walmart seems to be their favorite place.  I'll shop where it doesn't smell.  I'm lucky and tons of different choices.
2013-07-26 10:24:01 PM
1 votes:

muddythinker: Apparently, hundreds of millions of shoppers are ignoring the message.

It's a free country.  Go to Whole Foods and mix with the elite, or shop with the poor people at Wal-Mart.  I like mixing with the latter myself.


Well, that isn't saying much. >.> Grownups 2 was also thought to be more worth seeing than Pacific Rim even though Grownups 2 got a score of 10 percent on Rotten Tomatoes. Shockingly, American consumers are idiots. You get what you pay for.
2013-07-26 10:06:52 PM
1 votes:

HeartBurnKid: muddythinker: Apparently, hundreds of millions of shoppers are ignoring the message.

It's a free country.  Go to Whole Foods and mix with the elite, or shop with the poor people at Wal-Mart.  I like mixing with the latter myself.

This is the part where we call the left "elitist" for standing up for the common man as we throw our weight behind the fat cats shipping jobs to third-world sweatshops, I see.

/do most of my grocery shopping at WinCo.
//just as cheap as Wal-Mart, and employee owned.


Aldi and Woodman's.  Aldi pays their people decent wages, and Woodman's is employee owned.  Also better food and prices, and a far, far wider selection (at Woodman's).

Why you would go grocery shopping at a Walmart or Target is beyond me....
2013-07-26 10:06:17 PM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: Sergeant Grumbles: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).

And if you'd understood anything you read, you'd see that everyone is mentioning the hidden price of shopping there, mainly via taxes to support Wal-Mart's poverty wages.

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: People around here can be so farking stupid.

Right back at ya.

Don't like subsidizing the workers? Cut the farking subsidy!!!

Its not walmarts fault. If Walmart wasnt around, we'd be paying even more to support these people, and every other poor person who now shops at Walmart would have a harder time making ends meet!


Sounds good. Anyone employed for more than 1 hour per week either directly or through contract by a company with more than 5000 employees is not eligible for any sort of government funded social assistance.

Write your congress and and senator today.
2013-07-26 10:02:45 PM
1 votes:

muddythinker: Apparently, hundreds of millions of shoppers are ignoring the message.

It's a free country.  Go to Whole Foods and mix with the elite, or shop with the poor people at Wal-Mart.  I like mixing with the latter myself.


This is the part where we call the left "elitist" for standing up for the common man as we throw our weight behind the fat cats shipping jobs to third-world sweatshops, I see.

/do most of my grocery shopping at WinCo.
//just as cheap as Wal-Mart, and employee owned.
2013-07-26 09:56:44 PM
1 votes:
Maidens Wal-Marts I have rescued on the internet:  countless
Maidens Wal-Marts that have rewarded me with sex:  0
2013-07-26 09:52:14 PM
1 votes:

Almost Everybody Poops: Popcorn Johnny: dumbobruni: Kohls

You want to talk about some shady business practices, they're among the worst. They overprice everything they sell and then constantly have everything marked at a discount so people think they're getting a deal.

This has to be the first time i've agreed with you on pretty much anything.


Now the question is, is he bringing it up because he legitimately gives a shiat, or because he appears to be advertising for Wal*Mart and Kohls is competition?
2013-07-26 09:51:18 PM
1 votes:
Is it possible to not use Walmart because I feel the onus of responsibility is on the consumer?

A corporation is a soulless legal entity that exists to maximize utility for its owners (just like a union). It has no political views and no ethical restrictions and will consider all available options to maximize utility. If Walmart thought that it could make more money by closing the stores and building cruise ships, it would do so. If Walmart thought it could get away with paying labor a cheaper rate, it would do so. And if Walmart thought that it could improve business by giving billions of dollars away to save the rain forest charities, it would also do so. The only ways to control a corporation are through consumption and through the government (both of which required informed citizenry - a major no-no).

I don't agree with Walmart's stance on labor rights and blatant abuse of economies of scale, so I don't use them.

/Filthy liberal socialist
2013-07-26 09:51:11 PM
1 votes:
Walmart is the functional microeconomic version of the housing bubble.
Same effect but on a different scale, slower but much deeper and damaging.
2013-07-26 09:46:07 PM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Captain Dan: LordJiro: Or, y'know, "Their service is shiat, their business practices are shiat, and they treat their employees like shiat."

1. I've never had a problem with their service.  What service problems have you had?  (Did you complain to a manager or supervisor?  How was your complaint resolved?)

Every grocery cart that I've ever tried to use there has had a bum wheel.  While they have 22 checkout lines, they never seem to have more than four or five open.  There are a lot of screaming kids running around (maybe not something Wal-Mart can control, but I don't notice the same thing at Target or Publix, so it makes me less likely to go to Wal-Mart).  The parking lot is always overcrowded with tons of discarded carts laying around.


Sounds exactly like the WM by me.

The thing that got me was that they took out the self-checkout stands and replaced them with more regular checkout stands that are rarely open.
2013-07-26 09:45:27 PM
1 votes:

Captain Dan: Walmart is awesome.  The exact same products I'd buy elsewhere, for less money - that's a no-brainer.  If you don't like it, shop elsewhere.


Shoprite is cheaper or groceries, target is cheaper for clothes and electronics. Most people just think walmart is cheaper.
2013-07-26 09:31:06 PM
1 votes:

lawboy87: Costco, which has very loyal and happy employees who are paid well above the average for retail, for comparison:  Stock price - 10 yrs ago:  $31, today's close $116  (375% return on investment)

WalMart - with shoddy stores, unhappy employees and a pay and benefits package that barely beats out some 3rd world nations:  Stock price-  10 yrs ago $55, today's close $78 (141% ROI)


Which business model seems to be the most successful?  Paying your employees such a crap wage that you tend to draw the worst dregs of the employee market to man your stores; or providing a pay and benefits package that leads to having one of the highest employee retention and job satisfaction rates in retail?

How can the "geniuses" that run WalMart not see what is plain on its face?  More importantly, how can someone analyzing the retail market place looking for a place to buy some stock, not see that Costco provides close to 3 times the ROI than WalMart?


You don't know if there was split, what the dividend return was etc. WMT is part of the Dow Jones Costco isn't this means more diluted shares outstanding. Costco could have bought back treasury stock etc. This is a poor comparison.
2013-07-26 09:27:05 PM
1 votes:

rev. dave: I will still shop there if the price is 30% more.  Especially if the workers are better treated.


You just described Costco's business plan. Which leads to the question, why aren't you shopping there instead?
2013-07-26 09:26:50 PM
1 votes:

jst3p: LarryDan43: Target has hotter women shopping. That's my reason to not go to Walmart.

Checking out too, don't know why but this has been my experience.


It is strange. We have a Target across the street from a Wally-mart and the MILFs do tend to go to Target. I think they cater more to the ladies than wally-mart but the price points are similar. There are watered down versions of TVs (Panasonic and sony are guilty of this) and watered down brand name clothing as well but target somehow makes their clothing lines acceptable to middle class people.
2013-07-26 08:55:04 PM
1 votes:
Walmart is awesome.  The exact same products I'd buy elsewhere, for less money - that's a no-brainer.  If you don't like it, shop elsewhere.

With a few exceptions, most of the opposition to Walmart is either political (anti-free trade left) or fronting ("I pay extra for my invisible clothing because I'm morally enlightened").
2013-07-26 08:46:20 PM
1 votes:

Sergeant Grumbles: Popcorn Johnny: Yes, Colgate has two toothpaste production lines. One for tubes going to Walmart and one for everywhere else.

You're half right. Colgate has to change its formulas in order to meet Wal-Mart's demands.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/06/us-usa-consumer-walmart-id US TRE8250GM20120306

Companies often try to trim costs in ways that consumers will not notice. From 2007 to 2011, Colgate cut 36 percent of its formulas and 29 percent of the individual items it sells, or SKUs, according to Colgate-Palmolive Co (CL.N) Chief Executive Ian Cook. From 2008 until 2011, it reduced the number of fragrances it uses in various products by 26 percent.
This year, Colgate aims to trim another 5 percent of SKUs and fragrances and 3 percent more formulas, he said.


Okay, that's farked up.  I assumed that with furniture, clothing, etc. that it was a lower quality at Wal Mart, but with health products? Wow.
2013-07-26 08:22:22 PM
1 votes:

Cobblestone Flag: Mrtraveler01: Ed Grubermann: Debeo Summa Credo: Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.

Let's see, the one in Stockton, California, is pretty damned disgusting. And the one in Anchorage, Alaska, requires a tetanus shot before you can leave the building... But, it's not the cleanliness that's the issue. Nor is it the decor (Costco has no decor and doesn't feel as shiatty as a WalMart). It's the thick film of desperation and poverty that permeates the buildings like some horrific miasma. Every time I've been in a WalMart I've felt like I needed a squeegee and a bath in acid to get the stink off of me.

Sounds like the one by me in the suburbs of St. Louis.

Even though I live in a fairly middle class suburb, it still has that thick film of desperation and poverty. It also doesn't help that it isn't a supercenter so Walmart doesn't bother to keep the store clean and fully staffed.

The main reason I don't shop there anymore unless I really have to is because the service there has become so godawful (because it's so understaffed) that I'm wasting an hour in line buying headphones that I could've gotten at Walgreen for a couple more bucks in less than 5 minutes.

Last time I tried to buy some cheap headphones at Wal Mart, all they had were those Beats Headphones for like $15. Not that that's a bank breaker, but that's not value-priced at all. They definitely have selective mark-up strategies.


True...I think the cheapo earbuds I get are about the same price at WM as they are at Walgreens if not cheaper.
2013-07-26 08:17:55 PM
1 votes:

snowshovel: Until they can sell a blu-ray player $20, I say screw the mom-and-pops. I don't know how they expect to sell an electronic gizmo for $100 thwt break down every 6 months.


Because the $100 player doesn't break down after six months?
2013-07-26 08:16:12 PM
1 votes:

LL316: silvervial: Lackofname: I will say when I lived in NY and MD, I was happy to not be shopping at Walmart. But since I had to move back in with my parents in Tennessee, Walmart is really the only game around. Also since I can't drive I don't really get to choose where groceries are gotten.

This is actually how Walmart grew into such a powerhouse, enough to earn the praises of deluded shills like Debeo Summa Credo. They drive the competition out of town and end up being the only game around. This is pretty much the *opposite* of the kind of capitalism that people *think* we have.

That's odd.  My local Walmart is directly across the street from a Meijer and both of them are consistently busy.  Options for products...capitalism at its best.

/And before I get a "you sound poor", it's in Grand Haven, MI.
//The Muskegon Walmart, on the other hand, could have its own peopleofwalmart site.  But even that is right next to a Sams Club.  Still competition.


You know that Sam's Club is Walmarts volume store right?
2013-07-26 08:14:49 PM
1 votes:

LL316: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

Me too.  Paying more for something just to say you're paying more for it is stupid.


If you think you can't beat Wal-Mart pricing, well, that's why you're a Wal-Mart customer.
2013-07-26 08:14:04 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Mrtraveler01: There's a reason I hardly shop there anymore...


What about that is so hard to comprehend?

Walmart used to be ok but the one by me went downhill quick over the past few years that I stopped going.
2013-07-26 08:12:58 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Walmart is truely the embodiment of the saying "you get what you pay for".

/shiatty products, shiatty Service, overall a miserable place to shop


Totally agreed.  I avoid it as much as I can, half out of disgust at how shiatty they treat their workers and half out of disgust at the environment the way they treat their workers creates.
2013-07-26 08:11:52 PM
1 votes:

silvervial: Lackofname: I will say when I lived in NY and MD, I was happy to not be shopping at Walmart. But since I had to move back in with my parents in Tennessee, Walmart is really the only game around. Also since I can't drive I don't really get to choose where groceries are gotten.

This is actually how Walmart grew into such a powerhouse, enough to earn the praises of deluded shills like Debeo Summa Credo. They drive the competition out of town and end up being the only game around. This is pretty much the *opposite* of the kind of capitalism that people *think* we have.


That's odd.  My local Walmart is directly across the street from a Meijer and both of them are consistently busy.  Options for products...capitalism at its best.

/And before I get a "you sound poor", it's in Grand Haven, MI.
//The Muskegon Walmart, on the other hand, could have its own peopleofwalmart site.  But even that is right next to a Sams Club.  Still competition.
2013-07-26 08:09:24 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Mrtraveler01: Walmart is truely the embodiment of the saying "you get what you pay for".

/shiatty products, shiatty Service, overall a miserable place to shop

You never shop there but know all about their products, service and stores. Please explain.


There's a reason I hardly shop there anymore...
2013-07-26 08:03:57 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: I Like Bread: Kazrath: You raise minimum wage and the price of stuff goes up immediately.

Anyone who condones this is a corporatist shill. The average CEO:worker pay ratio has gone from about 5:1 to 500:1 in the past 50 years. Their profits are higher and their taxes are lower than they've ever been. The idea that higher wages must come out of OUR pockets, not those of executives who are strangling their own companies, is indefensible. Still, conservatives have successfully created this big lie that capitalists are forces of nature, that their actions may not be opposed, and that any effort to ease the burden on the lower class actually HURTS them in the long run because the upper class have the power and influence to pass the buck.

Even though executive compensation is grossly out of proportion with what is deserved, you couldn't fund a minimum wage hike with their compensation.  It's not enough.


True, but companies could fund it out of current profits or shareholder dividends.  Or, they could pass the cost along to customers in the form of higher prices.  Prices would likely rise initially, but price wars and competition should bring them back down again.
2013-07-26 07:53:51 PM
1 votes:

revrendjim: I heard (from a regional-level Wal-Mart manager) that some of their products have lower prices because they are lower quality, even if they are well-known national brands. Wal-Mart controls about a fourth of all the grocery business in the US and has so much leverage that they can demand lower prices from their suppliers, so the manufacturers run special batches just for Wal-Mart where they use inferior ingredients and cut corners any way they can.


I've heard that about firearms. Remington, Winchester, ad nauseum dump their seconds on WalMart. Never been confirmed though, IIRC.
2013-07-26 07:53:01 PM
1 votes:
I have to admit, its pretty pitiful that one with a job still has to rely on welfare to survive.

/my two cents
2013-07-26 07:51:19 PM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: Sergeant Grumbles: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).

And if you'd understood anything you read, you'd see that everyone is mentioning the hidden price of shopping there, mainly via taxes to support Wal-Mart's poverty wages.

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: People around here can be so farking stupid.

Right back at ya.

Don't like subsidizing the workers? Cut the farking subsidy!!!

Its not walmarts fault. If Walmart wasnt around, we'd be paying even more to support these people, and every other poor person who now shops at Walmart would have a harder time making ends meet!


How will cutting the subsidy help?
2013-07-26 07:49:17 PM
1 votes:

Sergeant Grumbles: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).

And if you'd understood anything you read, you'd see that everyone is mentioning the hidden price of shopping there, mainly via taxes to support Wal-Mart's poverty wages.

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: People around here can be so farking stupid.

Right back at ya.


Don't like subsidizing the workers? Cut the farking subsidy!!!

Its not walmarts fault. If Walmart wasnt around, we'd be paying even more to support these people, and every other poor person who now shops at Walmart would have a harder time making ends meet!
2013-07-26 07:46:43 PM
1 votes:

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).


And if you'd understood anything you read, you'd see that everyone is mentioning the hidden price of shopping there, mainly via taxes to support Wal-Mart's poverty wages.

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: People around here can be so farking stupid.


Right back at ya.
2013-07-26 07:44:00 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: CynicalLA: White trash love them some Walmart!

Internet sheep love to hate on some Walmart!


I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).

People around here can be so farking stupid.
2013-07-26 07:39:55 PM
1 votes:

ghare: Oh, and I'd like to invite people who want to see Hell to experience the Wal-Mart on South Semoran in Orlando. I'm sure there are worse places, but the employees look damned.


There was a Super Target in Orlando that was like walking into Heaven.  The place was so clean the sparkle made my eyes hurt, everyone was nice to me, and folks kept offering me free food.
2013-07-26 07:33:22 PM
1 votes:

Ed Grubermann: Debeo Summa Credo: Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.

Let's see, the one in Stockton, California, is pretty damned disgusting. And the one in Anchorage, Alaska, requires a tetanus shot before you can leave the building... But, it's not the cleanliness that's the issue. Nor is it the decor (Costco has no decor and doesn't feel as shiatty as a WalMart). It's the thick film of desperation and poverty that permeates the buildings like some horrific miasma. Every time I've been in a WalMart I've felt like I needed a squeegee and a bath in acid to get the stink off of me.


Sounds like the one by me in the suburbs of St. Louis.

Even though I live in a fairly middle class suburb, it still has that thick film of desperation and poverty. It also doesn't help that it isn't a supercenter so Walmart doesn't bother to keep the store clean and fully staffed.

The main reason I don't shop there anymore unless I really have to is because the service there has become so godawful (because it's so understaffed) that I'm wasting an hour in line buying headphones that I could've gotten at Walgreen for a couple more bucks in less than 5 minutes.
2013-07-26 07:30:10 PM
1 votes:

LordJiro: It really is amusing to see right-wingers shilling for corporations with big ties to the Chinese. I suppose hating Communists takes a back seat to pissing off the libs, eh?


What I like is all of the examples from them of how reality and capitalist theory don't line up and the conclusion that reality must be wrong.
2013-07-26 07:11:41 PM
1 votes:

SkorzenyNinja: They get about $10.50-$11 an hour I believe, full time with health insurance and all after five years with the company.


It took 5 years to get to that point?  Sorry, but she got gypped.  I work in an inbound call center for a hotel chain, and our reps hit that point within 90 days.

/they start out full time at $10 an hour
//after 90 days, they get health insurance and a $0.50 raise
///and then they get performance bonuses on top of that
2013-07-26 07:11:15 PM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: SkorzenyNinja: Alright, so I'm here to drop some anecdotal retorts in Tolstoy wall-o-text form. Take this all with a huge grain of salt if you will. Let me begin by clarifying that I'm a dirty hippy and a registered Democrat, voted for Fartbongo twice (three times if you include against Hillary) and continue to support the evil liberal agenda in non-presidential election years (I'm looking at you, lazy assholes that farked everything up in the Tea Tard wave of 2010). I'm certainly on the lower end of the economic scale, so I appreciate the lower prices at Wally World.

I also have family that work at Wal-Mart, one family member specifically. They get about $10.50-$11 an hour I believe, full time with health insurance and all after five years with the company. Right there, that is above the average wage this fine gentleman spoke of in his video, and that is only for a cashier. I don't know if living in Colorado is a part of that, but there you go. Full time, pay that's moderately above minimum wage, and the all powerful health insurance. Thanks to this healthcare, their significant other was recently able to retire comfortably after 35+ years with their own job. In my mind, that is a solid on Wal-Mart.

Does it take 5 years to get benefits?  That seems like an absurdly long amount of time.  Most reputable companies start full benefits at the hire date, or 30/60/90 days after hire.

Also, 5 years in and only $11 an hour?  That's not exactly something that people should be shooting for.


Yep that's just about the poverty line for a family of 3.
2013-07-26 07:06:33 PM
1 votes:

Sudlow: I like how Wal Mart forces people into their stores.pushing other stores out of business.


Yeah, mom and pop stores weren't already a dying breed because of Target, Penny's, Sears, K-Mart, CVS, Walgreens, Office Depot, Office Max, Best Buy, Home Depot, Lowes, and countless other large retail chains. Walmart isn't doing anything different than anybody else, they're just doing it the best.
2013-07-26 07:04:39 PM
1 votes:
the attacks on Walmart are severely misguided, as most other big-box retailers (and Amazon) are guilty of the same things that Walmart does.

I hear and see a lot of crying over Walmart killing off small businesses and stopping collective organization of workers, but almost never hear of complaints of the same against from by Target, Sears, Kmart, Macys, Best Buy, Staples, Home Depot, Lowes, Kohls, Family Dollar, Big Lots, Ikea, etc. All of them are guilty. And "killing" Walmart wouldn't solve it, as some other behemoth would come to take its place (as Walmart did to Sears Roebuck).
2013-07-26 06:55:31 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


You can pick up Blackhawks Stanley Cup Champions merchandise at decent prices.
2013-07-26 06:48:49 PM
1 votes:
I enjoyed the part where he said the Walton family "controls" as much wealth as the lower 30 percent of all Americans.

Ha. Like that lower 30 percent has any wealth and in any way "controls" what money they do have.
2013-07-26 06:34:10 PM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: peacheslatour: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

You would.

So do millions and millions of other people, because they can get more for their money there.

Shake your impotent fists of rage all you want, this is a fact.


They think they get more for their money there. However they neglect to take into account the portions of Wal-Mart's labor costs that are paid for through the consumers taxes supporting required safety net programs for the stores low wage workers.
2013-07-26 06:30:03 PM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Some of us take more than price into account like a shopping experience that isn't shiatty.  Wal Mart has gotten shiatty to the point where it's gotten worse than farking KMart.  And I'm saying this as someone who enjoyed Wal Mart 15 years ago.

Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.


New Survey Says Wal Mart Lags the Grocery Pack
http://www.thecitywire.com/node/28750
2013-07-26 06:26:56 PM
1 votes:

Alphax: Seems it's been many years since I heard that vendors wishing to get Walmart to carry their product were turned away if American labor was used, and told to get their products made in China.


A company I worked for ever so briefly was responsible for 60% of NASCAR related crap you see at Wal-Mart. Despite being NASCAR, nearly all of the stuff was made in China. They'd even tried to outsource the design work to China, but had to bring it back to the States because, and I quote the owner, "Chinese don't understand NASCAR".

/quit after 2 weeks. What I thought was a job slapping together cooler, can coozie, wallet and lanyard designs for $9/hr turned out to be more of a project manager for 2 other designers, Chinese factory liaison, NASCAR branding liaison, college sports branding liaison(with suggestion travel was involved), IT, sales assistant, and slapping together cooler, can coozie, and lanyard designs for $9/hr
2013-07-26 06:25:51 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: 12349876: You claim you only care about money and you're buying name brands?

I'm buying name brands cheaper.


Store brands are cheaper than any name brand anywhere.  You should be getting store brands or else you're taking quality into account not just price.
2013-07-26 06:21:29 PM
1 votes:
I will say when I lived in NY and MD, I was happy to not be shopping at Walmart. But since I had to move back in with my parents in Tennessee, Walmart is really the only game around. Also since I can't drive I don't really get to choose where groceries are gotten.
2013-07-26 06:17:18 PM
1 votes:

ghare: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

Unemployed, or on disability?


I shop at Walmart. I'm both. :(
2013-07-26 06:12:35 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


I have never set foot in a Walmart and I don't even know where one is located in my vicinity.

Suck it.
2013-07-26 06:09:43 PM
1 votes:
Oh, and I'd like to invite people who want to see Hell to experience the Wal-Mart on South Semoran in Orlando. I'm sure there are worse places, but the employees look damned.
2013-07-26 06:07:53 PM
1 votes:

ghare: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Oh, definitely, the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service, and to not be subjected to the generally horrific experience is well worth it to me. Local businessmen get my money normally. Hell, I even get better-than-Wal-Mart pricing  frequently.


Hmm. You'd think that Walmart wouldnt have grown to the sales volume it currently has if it offered lower quality merchandise, poorer service, and a generally horrific experience, while not offering better pricing than elsewhere.
2013-07-26 06:07:43 PM
1 votes:

meat0918: ghare: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Oh, definitely, the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service, and to not be subjected to the generally horrific experience is well worth it to me. Local businessmen get my money normally. Hell, I even get better-than-Wal-Mart pricing  frequently.

There is a new saying.

"I'm too poor to shop at Wal-Mart, because I always have to replace the cheap shiat I buy from there".


I got some shiatty Wal-Mart Levis that finally took it out of me a few years ago. Levis that fall apart? fark that.
2013-07-26 06:07:23 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


"Suck it"? Is that how you pay for your merchandise at Walmart? Must be hard times for you dude. Hang in there.
2013-07-26 06:00:04 PM
1 votes:
I hate the free market!
2013-07-26 05:57:02 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


You would.
2013-07-26 05:56:51 PM
1 votes:

ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?


I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self
2013-07-26 05:51:48 PM
1 votes:
The new ads featuring a guy who brags about his profit sharing and how Walmart paid for college...aren't working.
2013-07-26 05:40:37 PM
1 votes:

brainscab: Didn't current just sell to an arab country?


It was bought by Al-Jazeera, which will be shutting Current down and relaunching as Al-Jazeera America in less than one month.
2013-07-26 05:13:06 PM
1 votes:
Very well said.  And that guy sort of has a Michael J Fox meets Nathan Fillion thing going on, I like his style.
 
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