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2013-07-27 10:03:25 AM

whither_apophis: TuteTibiImperes: BMFPitt: I came to refute the derp, but then it was a video so fark that until someone makes a list.

No derp, just facts like Wal-Mart drives local businesses out of business and despite record profits still pays so little that in many states Wal-Mart employees are the largest group on public assistance.  Just getting the message out there that the low prices you pay have a hidden cost in your tax dollars because Wal-Mart won't pay enough for employees to live without government funded assistance.

Too many big words, these are people of the land, the common clay of the new West.

/"Buy from Wal-Mart, support commie Chinese."


Sadly, it's no different than the person with the big 'BUY AMERICAN' sticker on their Toyota.  They just can't see the disconnect.

Debeo Summa Credo: ghare: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Oh, definitely, the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service, and to not be subjected to the generally horrific experience is well worth it to me. Local businessmen get my money normally. Hell, I even get better-than-Wal-Mart pricing  frequently.

Hmm. You'd think that Walmart wouldnt have grown to the sales volume it currently has if it offered lower quality merchandise, poorer service, and a generally horrific experience, while not offering better pricing than elsewhere.


Except that if you buy shiat at a WalMart, it's really cheap shiat.  When I used to shop there, I noticed that most of the crap you can buy there is a. made in China and b. usually falls apart long before something that you actually pay a bit more for will.

So if you enjoy paying 3 or 4 times to replace something that you could have paid once for, be my guest.  WalMart is cheaper, but they sell cheap shiat.  It's really that simple.
 
2013-07-27 10:04:35 AM

Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.


They wouldn't be in poverty if Walmart paid a living wage and didn't stiff them on hours, and didn't run the businesses that DO provide those things out of town.

But go ahead, keep blaming the victim
 
2013-07-27 10:05:45 AM

Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.


t is waaaay too late in this thread to troll like this.
 
2013-07-27 10:12:57 AM
Christie Walton: 28.2 B.  11th richest person in the world.
Jim Walton: 26.7 B.  14th richest person in the world.
Alice Walton: 26.3 B.  16th richest person in the world.
S. Robson Walton: 26.1 B. 17th richest person in the world.

Combined wealth: 107.3 B.

Cannot afford to pay living wages to their employees.

Theo Albrecht, Jr. (Aldi's, Trader Joes): 18.9 B.  31st richest person in the world.

Can afford to pay living wages to their employees.


Commie-pinko-socialist-elitist source below:
http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/
 
2013-07-27 10:14:42 AM

b0rg9: You either own Walmart or you work at Walmart.

/the future


You know they tried to get licensed to operate a Wal*Mart Bank in their stores?  If that hadn't been shot down federally, they'd be paying their employees checks that are deposited directly back into Wal*Mart.  They'd be offering 'preferential' loan options for employees and would be garnishing wages to pay down the loans.

About 6 years ago, we came *this* close to going back to company towns.
 
2013-07-27 10:31:01 AM

12349876: Popcorn Johnny: 12349876: You claim you only care about money and you're buying name brands?

I'm buying name brands cheaper.

Store brands are cheaper than any name brand anywhere.  You should be getting store brands or else you're taking quality into account not just price.


This isn't always true.  Generally speaking, yes store brands are cheaper.  I've bought milk that was a name brand because it was cheaper than the store brand that week.  Also the store brands in my area are very comparable to the name brands that unless you have super taste buds, you probably would not be able to tell the difference.  In fact, many store brands are actually made by the same companies that make the name brands and they simply stick a different label on it.
 
2013-07-27 10:36:45 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Selena Luna: Over time, it costs considerably more. When the only clothes I could afford were WalMart clothes, I was replacing them all the time. I can afford better clothes now and they last much longer. I realize this is an anecdote, but it's also the case with most of the crap. Your money doesn't go further there.

Most of what Walmart sells is the same as what you would find at any other store. There are some exceptions, especially with electronics where companies will make models specifically for Walmart so they can offer them at lower prices. As for consumables, brand name clothes and most other things, you're getting the same thing you would at other stores. Walmart is able to offer the items at a lower price because they buy in such bulk.


Everybody already knows they pay their store staff shiat.

Please tell us how they pay in their Social Media Marketing Department.
 
2013-07-27 10:38:48 AM

BeesNuts: b0rg9: You either own Walmart or you work at Walmart.

/the future

You know they tried to get licensed to operate a Wal*Mart Bank in their stores?  If that hadn't been shot down federally, they'd be paying their employees checks that are deposited directly back into Wal*Mart.  They'd be offering 'preferential' loan options for employees and would be garnishing wages to pay down the loans.

About 6 years ago, we came *this* close to going back to company towns.


I hate Wal Mart with a passion, but this is somewhat incorrect. What I recall is that they wanted to establish their own commercial bank, so that they could process credit and debit cards through that arm rather than having to pay somebody else, which when you consider the number of transactions per store per day makes a lot of sense. Unless they changed the plan from what I read about it, they were never considering going into consumer banking, which would involve lending or deposit accounts.

I wouldn't put it past them though. I know they got smacked in Mexico for paying their employees in Wal-Mart coupons instead of currency.
 
2013-07-27 11:04:31 AM

iq_in_binary: DVOM: max_pooper: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service

Wait, your can of Arrid deodorant, Irish Spring soap, Suave shampoo and Crest toothpaste are better than the ones I buy at Walmart? Better service, do they give you a hand job while waiting in line where you shop?

Yes. It's no big secret that suppliers have special lower grade products runs just for Walmart to meet their demand on prices. The box may have the same name on it but often it is an inferior product.

The part number is different.

Not just that. Inferior electrical components, substandard plastics, QC failed lcds/leds/oleds, QC failed boards, you name it. When I worked PC Repair and we had customers who told us they got it at Walmart, we flat out told them get a new computer from anywhere else. We literally didn't have to even open it up to know it had popped caps.

The only thing I've bought electronic at Walmart was my 3DS, because they CAN'T screw that up.


When I worked in computer repair, we told customers that even if they didn't want to spend the money our store was charging for a new laptop (admittedly, our least expensive was $100 more than anywhere else), buying from Walmart meant that they would be buying another new computer in 6 months. Then, we would charge them out the ass when, 6 months later, they would bring in their old computer and a new computer to ask us to move the data over, because of course they didn't do a single backup of all of those pictures of their girlfriend or all of the music that they put on there, either legally or illegally.
 
2013-07-27 11:07:59 AM

ghare: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

Unemployed, or on mental disability?



FTFY.

You should see him in the hockey threads.
 
2013-07-27 11:09:16 AM

sendtodave: Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.

t is waaaay too late in this thread to troll like this.


Apparently not. Look at all those bites.
 
2013-07-27 11:19:43 AM
Not a walmart thread without:

www.agilityfusion.com

/you guys are slacking
 
2013-07-27 11:35:14 AM
I hate Wal Mart with a passion, but this is somewhat incorrect. What I recall is that they wanted to establish their own commercial bank, so that they could process credit and debit cards through that arm rather than having to pay somebody else, which when you consider the number of transactions per store per day makes a lot of sense. Unless they changed the plan from what I read about it, they were never considering going into consumer banking, which would involve lending or deposit accounts.

I wouldn't put it past them though. I know they got smacked in Mexico for paying their employees in Wal-Mart coupons instead of currency.


Walmart's new joint venture with American Express is consumer banking, via pre-paid debit cards.

the banks have responded to this by demanding that Walmart face typical banking regulations. If walmart is forced into that, the next steps would be shutting it down, or going all in with a full service banking operation.

I do worry about walmart abusing employees through it, but would it be better or worse than the abuse they take from payday lenders?
 
2013-07-27 11:52:20 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.

Yep, and people never lose their job after they have children through no fault of their own.


And every abortion is because of rape right?
 
2013-07-27 11:55:18 AM

pueblonative: Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.

Having children is evil?  Wow, that really puts a spin on the whole pro-life movement in this country.  Those people are farking satanists!  Or maybe it's the poor decision making.  Well, if they made the wrong choice, then the decision should be to give them more choices, now, isn't it.  You know, maybe a way to control when they have the birth of a child to a more fortunate time when they can fully afford the expense.  Cause clearly they can't go up and demand a raise, now, can they?  What was that saying, "A communist is any son of a biatch who wants a quarter when we're paying a dime!"


Children born in poverty are worse off than crack babies, subjecting a child to a life of poverty is evil.
 
2013-07-27 11:57:21 AM
I like shopping me at the Walmart.  As a conservative, I like the idea of depriving American manufacturers of jobs, screwing American workers out of a living wage, and love the idea of a business using its wealth to destroy the economies of American towns.

Republicans:  Love America, hate Americans.
 
2013-07-27 12:00:20 PM

Gulper Eel: brainscab: Didn't current just sell to an arab country?

It was bought by Al-Jazeera, which will be shutting Current down and relaunching as Al-Jazeera America in less than one month.


Current is living on though. It's indirectly morphing into "Pivot TV."
 
2013-07-27 12:00:39 PM

Brostorm: Philip Francis Queeg: Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.

Yep, and people never lose their job after they have children through no fault of their own.

And every abortion is because of rape right?


Well, since you think having a child when you are poor is evil, I would think you'd demand abortions for every woman that isn't wealthy enough that no amount of hardship could ever make them poor.

Was growing up poor what made you turn out as poorly as you have?
 
2013-07-27 12:15:27 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: Popcorn Johnny: Yes, Colgate has two toothpaste production lines. One for tubes going to Walmart and one for everywhere else.

You're half right. Colgate has to change its formulas in order to meet Wal-Mart's demands.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/06/us-usa-consumer-walmart-id US TRE8250GM20120306

Companies often try to trim costs in ways that consumers will not notice. From 2007 to 2011, Colgate cut 36 percent of its formulas and 29 percent of the individual items it sells, or SKUs, according to Colgate-Palmolive Co (CL.N) Chief Executive Ian Cook. From 2008 until 2011, it reduced the number of fragrances it uses in various products by 26 percent.
This year, Colgate aims to trim another 5 percent of SKUs and fragrances and 3 percent more formulas, he said.


I love it when they're half right.
 
2013-07-27 12:25:10 PM

wildcardjack: This company concentrates consumption as a lower cost then takes the profits out of the community. But be real, other than union grocery stores the rest of retail is working on getting employees to take 2/3 time jobs at minimum wage.


Not true at all.  Whole Foods (run by some nutty conservative) is non-union, yet the pay and bennies are so good people work hard to work they (I think you start getting health insurance once you're more than 20 hours a week).  Likewise, Trader Joe's, which is run by another branch of the same family who run Aldi's treats workers so well that even though they're always running around like squirrels on speed, I've yet to talk to one who didn't know exactly where what I needed was, and I've yet to see one who wasn't happy with what they're doing.

And that's just grocery stores, which are not an easy job to work; there are plenty of higher-end retail jobs were workers are treated and paid well.

LasersHurt: If your argument in defense of Wal-Mart is "they're successful, therefore correct, get over it," you're missing the point SOOOO HAAARD.


That seems to be the current, most common defense for any and all unfettered capitialism.
 
2013-07-27 12:27:38 PM

Dwight_Yeast: And that's just grocery stores, which are not an easy job to work; there are plenty of higher-end retail jobs were workers are treated and paid well.


Sort of like how In N Out proved you don't have to pay workers slave wages to be successful at fast food.
 
2013-07-27 01:03:20 PM

knowless: @Debeo Summa credo; I've only been in like three walmarts in my life, each one has between filthy with rude employees.. I don't understand the appeal of the place, it wasn't even cheaper then other comparable places..


In which part of the country do you live?

ITT, we've heard that walmart has filthy stores, rude employees, offers miserable shopping experiences, shoddy quality product, bad value, and pricing that can be beaten elsewhere. Also ITT, we've heard that their still making "record" profits. Those things don't add up.

If they really offer such shiatty service and value, don't shop there. They'll eventually go out of business and we can all be happy.
 
2013-07-27 01:03:49 PM

ghare: meat0918: ghare: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Oh, definitely, the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service, and to not be subjected to the generally horrific experience is well worth it to me. Local businessmen get my money normally. Hell, I even get better-than-Wal-Mart pricing  frequently.

There is a new saying.

"I'm too poor to shop at Wal-Mart, because I always have to replace the cheap shiat I buy from there".

I got some shiatty Wal-Mart Levis that finally took it out of me a few years ago. Levis that fall apart? fark that.


Tangent time, i havent worn Levis for nearly 20 years, but I bought a couple pairs last year, not at Wal-Mart, but some other shiat store like kohl's or something. Both pairs fell apart within a few months. WTF?
 
2013-07-27 01:07:25 PM

LordJiro: Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.

They wouldn't be in poverty if Walmart paid a living wage and didn't stiff them on hours, and didn't run the businesses that DO provide those things out of town.

But go ahead, keep blaming the victim


LOL. They're not victims. They willingly took a job at a certain wage. Don't be so stupid to believe that these people would e better off without their job at Walmart.
 
2013-07-27 01:25:50 PM
 
2013-07-27 02:10:05 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: knowless: @Debeo Summa credo; I've only been in like three walmarts in my life, each one has between filthy with rude employees.. I don't understand the appeal of the place, it wasn't even cheaper then other comparable places..

In which part of the country do you live?

ITT, we've heard that walmart has filthy stores, rude employees, offers miserable shopping experiences, shoddy quality product, bad value, and pricing that can be beaten elsewhere. Also ITT, we've heard that their still making "record" profits. Those things don't add up.

If they really offer such shiatty service and value, don't shop there. They'll eventually go out of business and we can all be happy.


Dollar stores are huge as well. It must be due to quality and service.
 
2013-07-27 02:15:11 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: LordJiro: Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.

They wouldn't be in poverty if Walmart paid a living wage and didn't stiff them on hours, and didn't run the businesses that DO provide those things out of town.

But go ahead, keep blaming the victim

LOL. They're not victims. They willingly took a job at a certain wage. Don't be so stupid to believe that these people would e better off without their job at Walmart.


They'd be better off if WalMart actually paid the full cost of of their labor rather than shifting a portion of that cost to the taxpayer.
 
2013-07-27 02:24:53 PM

OregonVet: Why not just raise minimum wage?


Because Walmart doesn't pay minimum wage anyway--they schedule employee shifts for exactly one hour less than a 'full-time' job. So people get screwed out of not only benefits and services, but their entire paycheck.

/And I think they've got a trick for overtime, but don't quote me there, I read that a loooong time ago back in my days of stealing my mother's books because I was bored...
 
2013-07-27 02:49:09 PM

TheWhoppah: Walmart provides a 24 hour hotline for their employees... the hotline is staffed with social workers hired to arrange charity and public assistance for Walmart employees.  The hotline phone number is pasted in the employee break room and on little inserts that they put into the paycheck envelope.  Here is your pathetic paycheck and a phone number for the food pantry!


Walmart doesn't put paychecks in envelopes. They don't even use checks; they have a debit card checks are deposited to if the employee doesn't use driect deposit.
 
kab
2013-07-27 02:58:08 PM
Man, this thread got the shills out in no time at all.
 
2013-07-27 03:00:31 PM

kab: Man, this thread got the shills out in no time at all.


They were told one lucky shill would get to go on a date with one of the "Women of Walmart".
 
2013-07-27 03:07:40 PM

jestme: Walmart doesn't put paychecks in envelopes. They don't even use checks; they have a debit card checks are deposited to if the employee doesn't use driect deposit.


...basically because they expect the employee to turn around and spend their (small) earnings at Walmart, as it's the only place they can afford to shop.
 
2013-07-27 03:19:15 PM

Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.


Nope. Your generalizations don't mesh with reality.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t04.htm
 
2013-07-27 03:19:34 PM
video?

aintnobodygottimeforthat.bmp
 
2013-07-27 03:27:04 PM

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


Ladies and gentlemen: the celebration of being ignorant in one of the purest forms I've yet encountered.
 
2013-07-27 03:29:45 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: LOL. They're not victims. They willingly took a job at a certain wage. Don't be so stupid to believe that these people would e better off without their job at Walmart.


And thanks to that wage the entire US economy suffers. Plus WalMart gets to use welfare to subsidize itself.
 
2013-07-27 03:35:33 PM
Fark Wal-Mart and Target.

Costco is the way to go, every single time. Cheap gas, great electronics, fantastic grocery selection, and things are always stocked, clean, neat, and the stores smell good. Also the employees are incredibly nice and helpful.
 
2013-07-27 03:36:51 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.

You have a citation for this tidbit?


Sure, just look at Starbucks, the other giant Mom & Pop killer.
 
2013-07-27 03:41:52 PM

silvervial: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

I have never set foot in a Walmart and I don't even know where one is located in my vicinity.

Suck it.


hipster sez: "  i dont even know who this Walmart is; pass the latte"
 
2013-07-27 03:42:31 PM

Fart_Machine: Dwight_Yeast: And that's just grocery stores, which are not an easy job to work; there are plenty of higher-end retail jobs were workers are treated and paid well.

Sort of like how In N Out proved you don't have to pay workers slave wages to be successful at fast food.


Ditto for Starbucks.  They pay above minimum wage, have health care and profit sharing.   In 2009 they made the Fortune's 100 best companies to work for (for the 11th time).

My sister worked for them and considered them a good employer.
 
2013-07-27 03:43:02 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: LOL. They're not victims. They willingly took a job at a certain wage. Don't be so stupid to believe that these people would e better off without their job at Walmart.


Sure. With a livable minimum wage ($20/hr or thereabouts) and a universal healthcare program, Wal-Mart employees might have a decent living for an american citizen.
 
2013-07-27 03:46:35 PM

Ablejack: The My Little Pony Killer: meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.

You have a citation for this tidbit?

Sure, just look at Starbucks, the other giant Mom & Pop killer.


Except the reality is the exact opposite.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/hey_wait_a_minute/20 07 /12/dont_fear_starbucks.html
 
2013-07-27 03:55:33 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.

Yep, and people never lose their job after they have children through no fault of their own.


The concepts of time and "what happens next" are lost on people like the one you responded to. It's like the morans who may see someone using EBT at the grocery store, and then driving away in a late model (<5 years) car. It never occurs to them that the car may be paid off, and that the person using EBT may have lost their job after the fact. The car doesn't simply disappear once a person files for assistance, nor do the decent clothes, the flat panel tv, or anything else they owned prior to becoming unemployed. Kids work that way too, but of course the welfare WHHAAARRGARBL happens anyway.
 
2013-07-27 04:01:17 PM

OgreMagi: Ablejack: The My Little Pony Killer: meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.

You have a citation for this tidbit?

Sure, just look at Starbucks, the other giant Mom & Pop killer.

Except the reality is the exact opposite.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/hey_wait_a_minute/20 07 /12/dont_fear_starbucks.html


Yeah, they (Starbucks) actually treat their employees pretty well too. I was being sarcastic as a tactic to argue against the claim that every store or shop is as crappy as Wal-Mart.
 
2013-07-27 04:23:45 PM

12349876: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Some of us take more than price into account like a shopping experience that isn't shiatty.  Wal Mart has gotten shiatty to the point where it's gotten worse than farking KMart.  And I'm saying this as someone who enjoyed Wal Mart 15 years ago.


What does "enjoying" Wal-Mart entail?
 
2013-07-27 04:34:20 PM
Walmart: We exploit cheap, communist chinese labor so you don't have to!


oh, and we jest loves America.  Freedom and all that.
 
2013-07-27 04:42:13 PM

Atillathepun: Descartes: [www.meijer.com image 400x400]


When it's cheaper at Target, I'll buy it there.

It's cheaper to buy them fresh.  They taste better and are better for you.  They take less than 3 mins to cook.


All true. However, they have one severe drawback. Time. That is what made canning popular in the first place... the ability to "time-shift" what you eat.
 
2013-07-27 04:43:58 PM
I shop at Cost-Co over Wal-Mart because A) the prices are comparable B) the employees are better paid and usually much friendlier and more helpful and C) I don't have to worry about buying subpar crap that's going to break down quickly.

They game the system as policy in order to maximize profits at everyone else's ultimate expense and I personally find that practice unsupportable and unsustainable in the long term.
 
2013-07-27 04:52:08 PM

Rapmaster2000: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale,

Yeah, you sound pretty poor.



as will you in a decade or two.  happy shopping!
 
2013-07-27 05:20:34 PM

Ablejack: Yeah, they (Starbucks) actually treat their employees pretty well too. I was being sarcastic as a tactic to argue against the claim that every store or shop is as crappy as Wal-Mart.


The really funny thing about Charbucks is that despite their corporate behemoth overlord status, you can't hardly spit in Seattle without hitting a mom-and-pop espresso cart/business/empire.
 
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