Philip Francis Queeg: TuteTibiImperes: SkorzenyNinja: Alright, so I'm here to drop some anecdotal retorts in Tolstoy wall-o-text form. Take this all with a huge grain of salt if you will. Let me begin by clarifying that I'm a dirty hippy and a registered Democrat, voted for Fartbongo twice (three times if you include against Hillary) and continue to support the evil liberal agenda in non-presidential election years (I'm looking at you, lazy assholes that farked everything up in the Tea Tard wave of 2010). I'm certainly on the lower end of the economic scale, so I appreciate the lower prices at Wally World.I also have family that work at Wal-Mart, one family member specifically. They get about $10.50-$11 an hour I believe, full time with health insurance and all after five years with the company. Right there, that is above the average wage this fine gentleman spoke of in his video, and that is only for a cashier. I don't know if living in Colorado is a part of that, but there you go. Full time, pay that's moderately above minimum wage, and the all powerful health insurance. Thanks to this healthcare, their significant other was recently able to retire comfortably after 35+ years with their own job. In my mind, that is a solid on Wal-Mart.Does it take 5 years to get benefits? That seems like an absurdly long amount of time. Most reputable companies start full benefits at the hire date, or 30/60/90 days after hire.Also, 5 years in and only $11 an hour? That's not exactly something that people should be shooting for.Yep that's just about the poverty line for a family of 3.
Cletus C.: By his logic, the only way for an individual to recoup any of he money the company is costing society is to save money by shopping at Walmart.I don't think that's what he was saying, vicious circle, etc.
Debeo Summa Credo: Sergeant Grumbles: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).And if you'd understood anything you read, you'd see that everyone is mentioning the hidden price of shopping there, mainly via taxes to support Wal-Mart's poverty wages.SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: People around here can be so farking stupid.Right back at ya.Don't like subsidizing the workers? Cut the farking subsidy!!!Its not walmarts fault. If Walmart wasnt around, we'd be paying even more to support these people, and every other poor person who now shops at Walmart would have a harder time making ends meet!
Philip Francis Queeg: tenpoundsofcheese: Philip Francis Queeg: Debeo Summa Credo: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Is it possible to not use Walmart because I feel the onus of responsibility is on the consumer?A corporation is a soulless legal entity that exists to maximize utility for its owners (just like a union). It has no political views and no ethical restrictions and will consider all available options to maximize utility. If Walmart thought that it could make more money by closing the stores and building cruise ships, it would do so. If Walmart thought it could get away with paying labor a cheaper rate, it would do so. And if Walmart thought that it could improve business by giving billions of dollars away to save the rain forest charities, it would also do so. The only ways to control a corporation are through consumption and through the government (both of which required informed citizenry - a major no-no).I don't agree with Walmart's stance on labor rights and blatant abuse of economies of scale, so I don't use them./Filthy liberal socialistI'm okay with this. Everyone should follow your example: don't like Walmart? Don't shop there.I'll go because those near me arent nearly as bad as they apparently are in other parts of the country, and they have good prices on basic staples.You go because you believe that the highest ideal anyone can strive for is to make profits for a large corporation.Would it be better if they had low profits so the shareholders, like all the unions, pensions, and people who have 401ks or any investments got screwed?That is what you want?When was the last time you demanded to make less so that there shareholders would do better?
Lee Jackson Beauregard: tenpoundsofcheese (farkied: It ain't cheese): Lee Jackson Beauregard: meat0918: Wait, people still defend Wal-Mart?I mean besides stock-holders?Ctrl-F tenpoundsofcheese.Meh. They sell almost a half trillion dollars worth of stuff, so plenty of people vote with their wallet and support Walmart and their shareholders.McDonald's is the best-selling fast food restaurant. Pretty damn close to all of the others make better food.
Selena Luna: IlGreven: Selena Luna: Debeo Summa Credo: peacheslatour: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.You would.So do millions and millions of other people, because they can get more for their money there.Shake your impotent fists of rage all you want, this is a fact.Over time, it costs considerably more. When the only clothes I could afford were WalMart clothes, I was replacing them all the time. I can afford better clothes now and they last much longer. I realize this is an anecdote, but it's also the case with most of the crap. Your money doesn't go further there.Remember, cost is money x time. Which costs less, really: Something that you pay $400 for that lasts six months, or something you pay $600 for that lasts 2 years?I thought that's what I was saying... Were you telling the other guy to remember this?
Lsherm: I Like Bread: Kazrath: You raise minimum wage and the price of stuff goes up immediately.Anyone who condones this is a corporatist shill. The average CEO:worker pay ratio has gone from about 5:1 to 500:1 in the past 50 years. Their profits are higher and their taxes are lower than they've ever been. The idea that higher wages must come out of OUR pockets, not those of executives who are strangling their own companies, is indefensible. Still, conservatives have successfully created this big lie that capitalists are forces of nature, that their actions may not be opposed, and that any effort to ease the burden on the lower class actually HURTS them in the long run because the upper class have the power and influence to pass the buck.Even though executive compensation is grossly out of proportion with what is deserved, you couldn't fund a minimum wage hike with their compensation. It's not enough.
The My Little Pony Killer: It's a shiatty financial decision and you should feel bad for making it. It has nothing to do with libruls, dear.
revrendjim: I heard (from a regional-level Wal-Mart manager) that some of their products have lower prices because they are lower quality, even if they are well-known national brands. Wal-Mart controls about a fourth of all the grocery business in the US and has so much leverage that they can demand lower prices from their suppliers, so the manufacturers run special batches just for Wal-Mart where they use inferior ingredients and cut corners any way they can.
Captain Dan: In this case, it's liberals who are nosy, so they're the ones resented. In other contexts the meddlesome pricks might be conservative (e.g. pushing creationism in public schools).
foo monkey: revrendjim: I heard (from a regional-level Wal-Mart manager) that some of their products have lower prices because they are lower quality, even if they are well-known national brands. Wal-Mart controls about a fourth of all the grocery business in the US and has so much leverage that they can demand lower prices from their suppliers, so the manufacturers run special batches just for Wal-Mart where they use inferior ingredients and cut corners any way they can.Walmart used to be all about using their superior logistics to demand lower prices from suppliers. They claimed to pass the savings to customers. When that wasn't enough for the shareholders, they cut costs internally, by ignoring quality and shafting employees.fark'em.
Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.
silvervial: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.I have never set foot in a Walmart and I don't even know where one is located in my vicinity.Suck it.
Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self
Captain Dan: The My Little Pony Killer: It's a shiatty financial decision and you should feel bad for making it. It has nothing to do with libruls, dear.Your first claim is equal parts wrong and presumptuous (are you actually claiming to know my budget better than I do?), and regarding your second, I don't feel the tiniest iota bad about shopping at Walmart.[i.imgur.com image 400x154]
OgreMagi: I bet my vacuum cost more than your car.
Popcorn Johnny: I'm driving a 2013 car
Debeo Summa Credo: peacheslatour: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.You would.So do millions and millions of other people, because they can get more for their money there.Shake your impotent fists of rage all you want, this is a fact.
joonyer: Keep livin' in that vacuum, son. Keep leaching off the rest of us. It's ok, we'll cover you.
BMFPitt: I will still shop there if the price is 30% more. Especially if the workers are better treated.Why? That would make then significantly more expensive than their competitors. If you're saying you'd pay more for better-paid workers, why aren't you shopping at a place that pays workers better right now?
max_pooper: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better serviceWait, your can of Arrid deodorant, Irish Spring soap, Suave shampoo and Crest toothpaste are better than the ones I buy at Walmart? Better service, do they give you a hand job while waiting in line where you shop?Yes. It's no big secret that suppliers have special lower grade products runs just for Walmart to meet their demand on prices. The box may have the same name on it but often it is an inferior product.
DVOM: max_pooper: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better serviceWait, your can of Arrid deodorant, Irish Spring soap, Suave shampoo and Crest toothpaste are better than the ones I buy at Walmart? Better service, do they give you a hand job while waiting in line where you shop?Yes. It's no big secret that suppliers have special lower grade products runs just for Walmart to meet their demand on prices. The box may have the same name on it but often it is an inferior product.The part number is different.
The My Little Pony Killer: meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.You have a citation for this tidbit?
ghare: The My Little Pony Killer: meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.You have a citation for this tidbit?People who have no option but to shop at Wal-Mart will defend Wal-Mart.
ghare: People who have no option but to shop at Wal-Mart will defend Wal-Mart.
Ringshadow: There were two local box stores, a Walmart, and a Kroger's. And it was single-handedly the most useless Walmart I'd ever been in. Nothing was ever stocked. Every time I went entire shelves were empty. I went a grand total of three times I think, and never for groceries. I shopped at Kroger's almost exclusively. Initially, I assumed that the rush of outage workers had overwhelmed the local Walmart.
log_jammin: ghare: People who have no option but to shop at Wal-Mart will defend Wal-Mart.I have no option but to shop at walmart. (It's the only place open when I'm in town) but you won't see me defend it. I can only imagine how soul crushing it is to work there
rewind2846: I do, and the name of the place is spelled C-O-S-T-C-O. The local one is right across the street from a Wal-Mart, so I've had opportunity to compare both of them with a 100 yard or so stroll.I walk into Costco... clean, well-lit, they have what I want and people of above average intelligence to help me find it, including well made american, japanese, korean and european brands.
tbhouston: Oh look, it's that durrrrtard that compares Costco to Walmart instead of SAMs club.....
Popcorn Johnny: ghare: If you think you can't beat Wal-Mart pricing, well, that's why you're a Wal-Mart customer.Sure there are sales at other stores on items that will beat Walmart's prices, but are you really going to drive to 15 different stores to get the things you need?
Jon iz teh kewl: i shop at J-mart
wildcardjack: Throughout the 80's and 90's you found computers everywhere in business except increased productivity.Meanwhile, Walmart's innovations reduced prices for consumers. Applying innovations like cross-docking, JIT, and commands such "stop putting underarm deodorant in cardboard boxes"This company concentrates consumption as a lower cost then takes the profits out of the community. But be real, other than union grocery stores the rest of retail is working on getting employees to take 2/3 time jobs at minimum wage.
Captain Dan: 2. Which business practices are you upset about? Specifically, not "they're greedy and furthermore capitalism."
Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford. Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil. These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.
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