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2013-07-26 07:57:02 PM  

Mrtraveler01: How will cutting the subsidy help?


If you make life miserable enough for the poor they won't want to be poor anymore. Study it out.
 
2013-07-26 07:57:03 PM  

SkorzenyNinja: Alright, so I'm here to drop some anecdotal retorts in Tolstoy wall-o-text form. Take this all with a huge grain of salt if you will. Let me begin by clarifying that I'm a dirty hippy and a registered Democrat, voted for Fartbongo twice (three times if you include against Hillary) and continue to support the evil liberal agenda in non-presidential election years (I'm looking at you, lazy assholes that farked everything up in the Tea Tard wave of 2010). I'm certainly on the lower end of the economic scale, so I appreciate the lower prices at Wally World.

I also have family that work at Wal-Mart, one family member specifically. They get about $10.50-$11 an hour I believe, full time with health insurance and all after five years with the company. Right there, that is above the average wage this fine gentleman spoke of in his video, and that is only for a cashier. I don't know if living in Colorado is a part of that, but there you go. Full time, pay that's moderately above minimum wage, and the all powerful health insurance. Thanks to this healthcare, their significant other was recently able to retire comfortably after 35+ years with their own job. In my mind, that is a solid on Wal-Mart.

You've got the out-sourcing and Chinese stuff, right? Granted, we'd all like for things to be made in America, but we've got The Free Market and the Chinese make things real cheap. Here's the rub: where else are you going to go where they don't sell Chinese products? Seriously. Target? Ha! I challenge anyone to find a major box retailer that doesn't sell foreign made products, or only sells primarily American made products.

Secondly, I always hear this shiat about the people that shop at Wal-Mart. Yeah, the lower class does look awfully lower class, strange, isn't that? Maybe if they could afford better things, they'd shop in a higher-class environment. What a notion! The funny thing about this is that I mostly hear this from conservatives, from the people pulling the lever for folks like Mitt Romney. Gee, Republicans don't like to shop in the midst of poor folks? There is a darker side to this too, no pun intended, in that (at least here in the Denver area), Wal-Mart gets a reputation for having large amounts of Hispanics, specifically jerb-stealing Messicans that shop there. Those damned, dirty illegals with their anchor babies and food stamps. It never fails to surprise me to hear a card-carrying Republican looking down their nose at the "people that shop there" as a code word for Mexicans. The same people that criticize the patrons of Wal-Mart can usually be heard criticizing B. HUSSEIN 0bama in the next sentence. Again, all anecdotal, but there you go.

Here is the CSB part: I used to work at a Super Target. If you think that they treat their mostly part-time employees much better, you are sorely mistaken. The same positions in a Wal-Mart receive larger raises and better benefits in a much more timely manner, so Target is in fact (in my opinion) a worse employer than Wal-Mart. I offer this because they are most often compared to Wal-Mart as being superior. Following from what I said above about certain Conservatives disliking Wal-Mart, I have seen the same people speak very highly of Target. Target, based out of Minnesota, has given money to politicians in the past that oppose gay marriage, these politicians naturally being of the (R) persuasion. Target also donates more money to the Republican party as a whole, compared to Wal-Mart, which donates "equally" to both parties. In 2008, shortly before Barack Obama was elected, all of the employees in my Target were brought into the conference room throughout the following weeks to watch a video prepared by headquarters. In so many words, they described the "changes that may occur in the coming election in congress and government" and how all employees should be on the watch for talk of *gasp* UNIONIZING. The video described how even one employee signing up for the union could risk the entire store having to close, and anyone that spoke of unionizing to other employees was to be reported immediately and could face losing their barely above minimum wage job. All in all, Target was not a pleasant work experience. I offer much of this to my fellow Liberal-minded comrades: if you think that shopping at a place like Target over Wal-Mart is going to stick it to Republicans... sorry, you're doing much worse.

Finally, there is supposed to be a new Wal-Mart Supercenter constructed in my hometown. The city council recently approved this decision after huge amounts of public outcry against a Wal-Mart opening in the community, although chances are strong that it will become a ballot issue, whereupon Wally World will surely lose. The area where this Wal-Mart is supposed to be built has been in need of renovation since the 1980's, and no one else has shown interest in the area despite many attempts at coercing Target, Best-Buy, Kroger, Safeway, on and on... After Jan. 1st 2014, the existing strip malls and other structures will be bulldozed. If Wal-Mart is shot down by the public, nothing will be constructed; instead of an archaic, failing area losing business steadily, we will have nothing, at all. This is the best example of cutting off the nose to spite the face I can think off. At least Wal-Mart, as odious as that is for so many, will provide tax income as well as jobs, not to mention the other businesses it will attract to the area. Nope. Some people are still holding out on Barnes & Noble or some such other impossible thing to magically open a store, followed by trendy restaurants and coffee shops. Anything to avoid "that crowd" and stain the glorious shores of America with evil Chinese products that they will just buy somewhere else instead.

So.... yeah. End rant. If anyone actually read all of that, thanks. I'm just trying to say... Wal-Mart isn't all that bad. Yeah, it could be much better. I support some of the comments upthread about being willing to pay a little more to increase wages, and how laws need to be passed in order to get some more worker-friendly policies in place. But really, it's not all this evil horrible stuff you hear all the time.

/CSB Tolstoy over


I hate Wal Mart, but... Agreed.
 
2013-07-26 07:58:30 PM  

TheWhoppah: Walmart provides a 24 hour hotline for their employees... the hotline is staffed with social workers hired to arrange charity and public assistance for Walmart employees.  The hotline phone number is pasted in the employee break room and on little inserts that they put into the paycheck envelope.  Here is your pathetic paycheck and a phone number for the food pantry!


More than autozone, orileys, marshells, jc penny, kroger, target, or anyone else that pays min wage. .
 
2013-07-26 07:58:54 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Walmart is truely the embodiment of the saying "you get what you pay for".

/shiatty products, shiatty Service, overall a miserable place to shop


You never shop there but know all about their products, service and stores. Please explain.
 
2013-07-26 07:59:47 PM  

ghare: Popcorn Johnny: max_pooper: Yes. It's no big secret that suppliers have special lower grade products runs just for Walmart to meet their demand on prices. The box may have the same name on it but often it is an inferior product.

As I pointed out, that's for some electronics. I've never noticed a difference in anything I've bought at a Walmart when compared to buying the same item at another store. I have shiat all over my house that's from Walmart, CVS, Target and other places and I couldn't pick out those that were bought at Walmart if I tried.
12349876: Popcorn Johnny: 12349876: You claim you only care about money and you're buying name brands?

I'm buying name brands cheaper.

Store brands are cheaper than any name brand anywhere.  You should be getting store brands or else you're taking quality into account not just price.

Publix has pretty good store-brand stuff


I like Publix because it's barely more expensive than Wal Mart, it's privately run, the employees get stock based on the amount of time that they've worked there, they have good employees, they hire the mentally handicapped but able for certain small positions, and the eye-candy is nearly as good as Whole Foods.
 
2013-07-26 07:59:53 PM  

silvervial: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

I have never set foot in a Walmart and I don't even know where one is located in my vicinity.


Your 'specialness' is lame. If you don't want to shop there that's one thing, but don't try to convince us you don't even know where the nearest one is. That's like saying "I have a TV but never watch it and don't even know what room in my house it's in."

Which in your case may very well be true.
 
2013-07-26 08:00:01 PM  
I can't believe I've been eating Chinese grapes. Damn you Sam Walton.
 
2013-07-26 08:00:38 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Its not walmarts fault.


Yes, it is. No one is stopping them from paying their workers more, nor is it the government's fault for caring for it's poorest citizens. The blame lies squarely at the feet of Wal-Mart for abusing the situation.
 
2013-07-26 08:01:26 PM  

I Like Bread: Kazrath: You raise minimum wage and the price of stuff goes up immediately.

Anyone who condones this is a corporatist shill. The average CEO:worker pay ratio has gone from about 5:1 to 500:1 in the past 50 years. Their profits are higher and their taxes are lower than they've ever been. The idea that higher wages must come out of OUR pockets, not those of executives who are strangling their own companies, is indefensible. Still, conservatives have successfully created this big lie that capitalists are forces of nature, that their actions may not be opposed, and that any effort to ease the burden on the lower class actually HURTS them in the long run because the upper class have the power and influence to pass the buck.


Even though executive compensation is grossly out of proportion with what is deserved, you couldn't fund a minimum wage hike with their compensation.  It's not enough.
 
2013-07-26 08:01:59 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Selena Luna: Over time, it costs considerably more. When the only clothes I could afford were WalMart clothes, I was replacing them all the time. I can afford better clothes now and they last much longer. I realize this is an anecdote, but it's also the case with most of the crap. Your money doesn't go further there.

Most of what Walmart sells is the same as what you would find at any other store. There are some exceptions, especially with electronics where companies will make models specifically for Walmart so they can offer them at lower prices. As for consumables, brand name clothes and most other things, you're getting the same thing you would at other stores. Walmart is able to offer the items at a lower price because they buy in such bulk.


Bullshiat. Walmart is able to offer the items at a lower price because they have the leverage of being so big that they can tell their suppliers they're replaceable if they don't provide a product to them at a certain price. Which leads the suppliers to doing whatever it takes to cut prices, including making a less quality item in China instead of the US. Walmart is bad for the country, there is no other way around that.
 
2013-07-26 08:02:09 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


Me too.  Paying more for something just to say you're paying more for it is stupid.
 
2013-07-26 08:03:57 PM  

Lsherm: I Like Bread: Kazrath: You raise minimum wage and the price of stuff goes up immediately.

Anyone who condones this is a corporatist shill. The average CEO:worker pay ratio has gone from about 5:1 to 500:1 in the past 50 years. Their profits are higher and their taxes are lower than they've ever been. The idea that higher wages must come out of OUR pockets, not those of executives who are strangling their own companies, is indefensible. Still, conservatives have successfully created this big lie that capitalists are forces of nature, that their actions may not be opposed, and that any effort to ease the burden on the lower class actually HURTS them in the long run because the upper class have the power and influence to pass the buck.

Even though executive compensation is grossly out of proportion with what is deserved, you couldn't fund a minimum wage hike with their compensation.  It's not enough.


True, but companies could fund it out of current profits or shareholder dividends.  Or, they could pass the cost along to customers in the form of higher prices.  Prices would likely rise initially, but price wars and competition should bring them back down again.
 
2013-07-26 08:05:51 PM  

bbfreak: Bullshiat. Walmart is able to offer the items at a lower price because they have the leverage of being so big that they can tell their suppliers they're replaceable if they don't provide a product to them at a certain price. Which leads the suppliers to doing whatever it takes to cut prices, including making a less quality item in China instead of the US. Walmart is bad for the country, there is no other way around that.


Yes, Colgate has two toothpaste production lines. One for tubes going to Walmart and one for everywhere else.
 
2013-07-26 08:07:46 PM  

ghare: I'm sure you weren't aware that Wal-Mart does in fact sell watered-down versions of things like shampoo,


Care to back that up?
 
2013-07-26 08:09:24 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Mrtraveler01: Walmart is truely the embodiment of the saying "you get what you pay for".

/shiatty products, shiatty Service, overall a miserable place to shop

You never shop there but know all about their products, service and stores. Please explain.


There's a reason I hardly shop there anymore...
 
2013-07-26 08:10:16 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Yes, Colgate has two toothpaste production lines. One for tubes going to Walmart and one for everywhere else.


You're half right. Colgate has to change its formulas in order to meet Wal-Mart's demands.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/06/us-usa-consumer-walmart-id US TRE8250GM20120306

Companies often try to trim costs in ways that consumers will not notice. From 2007 to 2011, Colgate cut 36 percent of its formulas and 29 percent of the individual items it sells, or SKUs, according to Colgate-Palmolive Co (CL.N) Chief Executive Ian Cook. From 2008 until 2011, it reduced the number of fragrances it uses in various products by 26 percent.
This year, Colgate aims to trim another 5 percent of SKUs and fragrances and 3 percent more formulas, he said.
 
2013-07-26 08:10:24 PM  

John Buck 41: silvervial: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

I have never set foot in a Walmart and I don't even know where one is located in my vicinity.

Your 'specialness' is lame. If you don't want to shop there that's one thing, but don't try to convince us you don't even know where the nearest one is. That's like saying "I have a TV but never watch it and don't even know what room in my house it's in."

Which in your case may very well be true.


As I said, I have a 52 inch TV right in front of me as I speak, and I have never, in 30 years of driving around in this area, seen a Walmart. I am sure if I drove down into Oakland or San Francisco, I could find one, but why would I if I have no intention of shopping there? You take offense to my simple statement of fact as if you have some stake in Walmart. Are you a Walton?
 
2013-07-26 08:10:37 PM  

Mrtraveler01: There's a reason I hardly shop there anymore...


i53.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-26 08:11:52 PM  

silvervial: Lackofname: I will say when I lived in NY and MD, I was happy to not be shopping at Walmart. But since I had to move back in with my parents in Tennessee, Walmart is really the only game around. Also since I can't drive I don't really get to choose where groceries are gotten.

This is actually how Walmart grew into such a powerhouse, enough to earn the praises of deluded shills like Debeo Summa Credo. They drive the competition out of town and end up being the only game around. This is pretty much the *opposite* of the kind of capitalism that people *think* we have.


That's odd.  My local Walmart is directly across the street from a Meijer and both of them are consistently busy.  Options for products...capitalism at its best.

/And before I get a "you sound poor", it's in Grand Haven, MI.
//The Muskegon Walmart, on the other hand, could have its own peopleofwalmart site.  But even that is right next to a Sams Club.  Still competition.
 
2013-07-26 08:12:23 PM  

John Buck 41: ghare: I'm sure you weren't aware that Wal-Mart does in fact sell watered-down versions of things like shampoo,

Care to back that up?


There's this web site called Google. Ask a child, they'll show you how to use it.
 
2013-07-26 08:12:58 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Walmart is truely the embodiment of the saying "you get what you pay for".

/shiatty products, shiatty Service, overall a miserable place to shop


Totally agreed.  I avoid it as much as I can, half out of disgust at how shiatty they treat their workers and half out of disgust at the environment the way they treat their workers creates.
 
2013-07-26 08:13:03 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Ed Grubermann: Debeo Summa Credo: Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.

Let's see, the one in Stockton, California, is pretty damned disgusting. And the one in Anchorage, Alaska, requires a tetanus shot before you can leave the building... But, it's not the cleanliness that's the issue. Nor is it the decor (Costco has no decor and doesn't feel as shiatty as a WalMart). It's the thick film of desperation and poverty that permeates the buildings like some horrific miasma. Every time I've been in a WalMart I've felt like I needed a squeegee and a bath in acid to get the stink off of me.

Sounds like the one by me in the suburbs of St. Louis.

Even though I live in a fairly middle class suburb, it still has that thick film of desperation and poverty. It also doesn't help that it isn't a supercenter so Walmart doesn't bother to keep the store clean and fully staffed.

The main reason I don't shop there anymore unless I really have to is because the service there has become so godawful (because it's so understaffed) that I'm wasting an hour in line buying headphones that I could've gotten at Walgreen for a couple more bucks in less than 5 minutes.


Last time I tried to buy some cheap headphones at Wal Mart, all they had were those Beats Headphones for like $15. Not that that's a bank breaker, but that's not value-priced at all. They definitely have selective mark-up strategies.
 
2013-07-26 08:13:09 PM  
No one in this thread ever goes there ever.
 
2013-07-26 08:14:04 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Mrtraveler01: There's a reason I hardly shop there anymore...


What about that is so hard to comprehend?

Walmart used to be ok but the one by me went downhill quick over the past few years that I stopped going.
 
2013-07-26 08:14:32 PM  

silvervial: As I said, I have a 52 inch TV right in front of me as I speak, and I have never, in 30 years of driving around in this area, seen a Walmart.


What town do you live in?
 
2013-07-26 08:14:49 PM  

LL316: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

Me too.  Paying more for something just to say you're paying more for it is stupid.


If you think you can't beat Wal-Mart pricing, well, that's why you're a Wal-Mart customer.
 
2013-07-26 08:16:12 PM  

LL316: silvervial: Lackofname: I will say when I lived in NY and MD, I was happy to not be shopping at Walmart. But since I had to move back in with my parents in Tennessee, Walmart is really the only game around. Also since I can't drive I don't really get to choose where groceries are gotten.

This is actually how Walmart grew into such a powerhouse, enough to earn the praises of deluded shills like Debeo Summa Credo. They drive the competition out of town and end up being the only game around. This is pretty much the *opposite* of the kind of capitalism that people *think* we have.

That's odd.  My local Walmart is directly across the street from a Meijer and both of them are consistently busy.  Options for products...capitalism at its best.

/And before I get a "you sound poor", it's in Grand Haven, MI.
//The Muskegon Walmart, on the other hand, could have its own peopleofwalmart site.  But even that is right next to a Sams Club.  Still competition.


You know that Sam's Club is Walmarts volume store right?
 
2013-07-26 08:17:25 PM  

R.A.Danny: No one in this thread ever goes there ever.


What are you talking about? You and all of the rest of the normal FOX/Rush contingent are in here talking the place up. Read the thread.

Hell, I've been in there. Which is why I try to avoid it. But once you get out into flyover country, it's frequently just the only game in town.
 
2013-07-26 08:17:55 PM  

snowshovel: Until they can sell a blu-ray player $20, I say screw the mom-and-pops. I don't know how they expect to sell an electronic gizmo for $100 thwt break down every 6 months.


Because the $100 player doesn't break down after six months?
 
2013-07-26 08:18:08 PM  

ghare: If you think you can't beat Wal-Mart pricing, well, that's why you're a Wal-Mart customer.


Sure there are sales at other stores on items that will beat Walmart's prices, but are you really going to drive to 15 different stores to get the things you need?
 
2013-07-26 08:21:02 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Its not walmarts fault.


www.trilobite.org

It very much is WalMart's fault they do everything they can o avoid paying their employees a living wage. And this is after they've driven the stores that did pay a living wage out of business.
 
2013-07-26 08:21:31 PM  

Fart_Machine: Mrtraveler01: How will cutting the subsidy help?

If you make life miserable enough for the poor they won't want to be poor anymore. Study it out.


So bring back child labor and a lack of safety/environmental regulations eh?
 
2013-07-26 08:22:22 PM  

Cobblestone Flag: Mrtraveler01: Ed Grubermann: Debeo Summa Credo: Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.

Let's see, the one in Stockton, California, is pretty damned disgusting. And the one in Anchorage, Alaska, requires a tetanus shot before you can leave the building... But, it's not the cleanliness that's the issue. Nor is it the decor (Costco has no decor and doesn't feel as shiatty as a WalMart). It's the thick film of desperation and poverty that permeates the buildings like some horrific miasma. Every time I've been in a WalMart I've felt like I needed a squeegee and a bath in acid to get the stink off of me.

Sounds like the one by me in the suburbs of St. Louis.

Even though I live in a fairly middle class suburb, it still has that thick film of desperation and poverty. It also doesn't help that it isn't a supercenter so Walmart doesn't bother to keep the store clean and fully staffed.

The main reason I don't shop there anymore unless I really have to is because the service there has become so godawful (because it's so understaffed) that I'm wasting an hour in line buying headphones that I could've gotten at Walgreen for a couple more bucks in less than 5 minutes.

Last time I tried to buy some cheap headphones at Wal Mart, all they had were those Beats Headphones for like $15. Not that that's a bank breaker, but that's not value-priced at all. They definitely have selective mark-up strategies.


True...I think the cheapo earbuds I get are about the same price at WM as they are at Walgreens if not cheaper.
 
2013-07-26 08:23:26 PM  

Sim Tree: Because the $100 player doesn't break down after six months?


Lets see, I have a Canon printer, LG shelf stereo, Dyson vac and a few other plug in items and have never had a problem. As a matter of fact, I've never had to return a product to Walmart for being defective.
 
2013-07-26 08:24:36 PM  

bbfreak: Fart_Machine: Mrtraveler01: How will cutting the subsidy help?

If you make life miserable enough for the poor they won't want to be poor anymore. Study it out.

So bring back child labor and a lack of safety/environmental regulations eh?


Why do you hate the good old days?
 
2013-07-26 08:24:56 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Popcorn Johnny: Yes, Colgate has two toothpaste production lines. One for tubes going to Walmart and one for everywhere else.

You're half right. Colgate has to change its formulas in order to meet Wal-Mart's demands.


And now no one makes a toothpaste I can stand. Thanks a pantload, WalMart.
 
2013-07-26 08:27:26 PM  

R.A.Danny: No one in this thread ever goes there ever.


in NYC, Walmart has repeatedly been denied an operating license. going out of the city to a wal-mart makes no sense.

I'm not a fan of walmart, but they should be allowed in NYC. Nearly every other big-box retail chain is here. keeping walmart out, especially after letting Target and Kohls in, is really stupid.
 
2013-07-26 08:28:44 PM  

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Popcorn Johnny: CynicalLA: White trash love them some Walmart!

Internet sheep love to hate on some Walmart!

I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).

People around here can be so farking stupid.


I feel for people in that position... mostly because Wal-Marts are (by the math) only cheaper for the first three years they are in a town... after that, the local inflation at wal-marts exceeds average inflation... Basically, they put stuff on sale until they run local businesses and nearby competitors out, then they jack up prices to cover the earlier losses, so it ends up being more expensive (and more profitable) in the long run. Though I empathize with the short term savings (having been poor at times myself), in the long-run, shopping at wal-mart both increases your costs, and screws the local businesses. I certainly wouldn't demonize their shoppers though... I mean Wal-Mart has built an empire focused around information asymmetry, whether we're talking about the conditions their products are made in, or their pricing structures... they're winning a war against the people they're preying on, and I certainly wouldn't demonize the very people who are hurt by that information asymmetry.
 
2013-07-26 08:29:27 PM  

dumbobruni: Kohls


You want to talk about some shady business practices, they're among the worst. They overprice everything they sell and then constantly have everything marked at a discount so people think they're getting a deal.
 
2013-07-26 08:31:12 PM  
Walmart stays in business because it sells cheap crap while the average American's wages are in decline. We had a choice back in the early 90's we could have high wages and expensive american made merchandise or we could have low wages and crap foreign made goods. Multinational corporations rigged our laws and trade agreements via lobbying to produce the latter. So we never got to have the debate or make the choice as a country,
 
2013-07-26 08:32:02 PM  

firefly212: Basically, they put stuff on sale until they run local businesses and nearby competitors out, then they jack up prices to cover the earlier losses, so it ends up being more expensive (and more profitable) in the long run.


This thread is full of more crazy theories than the Zimmerman threads.
 
2013-07-26 08:32:55 PM  

dumbobruni: the attacks on Walmart are severely misguided, as most other big-box retailers (and Amazon) are guilty of the same things that Walmart does.

I hear and see a lot of crying over Walmart killing off small businesses and stopping collective organization of workers, but almost never hear of complaints of the same against from by Target, Sears, Kmart, Macys, Best Buy, Staples, Home Depot, Lowes, Kohls, Family Dollar, Big Lots, Ikea, etc. All of them are guilty. And "killing" Walmart wouldn't solve it, as some other behemoth would come to take its place (as Walmart did to Sears Roebuck).


Smartest post in this thread by far
 
2013-07-26 08:40:17 PM  

silvervial: John Buck 41: silvervial: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

I have never set foot in a Walmart and I don't even know where one is located in my vicinity.

Your 'specialness' is lame. If you don't want to shop there that's one thing, but don't try to convince us you don't even know where the nearest one is. That's like saying "I have a TV but never watch it and don't even know what room in my house it's in."

Which in your case may very well be true.

As I said, I have a 52 inch TV right in front of me as I speak, and I have never, in 30 years of driving around in this area, seen a Walmart. I am sure if I drove down into Oakland or San Francisco, I could find one, but why would I if I have no intention of shopping there? You take offense to my simple statement of fact as if you have some stake in Walmart. Are you a Walton?


Nope. I can count on one hand the times I go there in a year. I just find the hate foolish.
 
2013-07-26 08:40:22 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).

And if you'd understood anything you read, you'd see that everyone is mentioning the hidden price of shopping there, mainly via taxes to support Wal-Mart's poverty wages.

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: People around here can be so farking stupid.

Right back at ya.


I understood everything that I read.  And I'm not disputing it.  I'm saying it's stupid that everyone is piling on Popcorn Johnny because he said he shopped there (in a douchey way, admittedly).  Not to mention, him not shopping there doesn't change the hidden cost to him.  With the way things are right now, it's cheaper to shop there.  His taxes will be the same either way.  It would take hundreds of thousands to change their shopping habits to change that.

I'm not supporting Wal Mart in any way.  Their business practices disgust me, but talking down to someone just because they shop there is ridiculous.

12349876: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Popcorn Johnny: CynicalLA: White trash love them some Walmart!

Internet sheep love to hate on some Walmart!

I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).

People around here can be so farking stupid.

And we're pointing out you'd have to be a dumbass to base every life decision based solely on the economical.  He himself even admitted so in saying he bought brand names.


I'm not saying it's right to base every life decision solely on the economical.  He buys brand names cheaper at Wal Mart than anywhere else.  He's not being stupid at all.
 
2013-07-26 08:41:27 PM  

ghare: John Buck 41: ghare: I'm sure you weren't aware that Wal-Mart does in fact sell watered-down versions of things like shampoo,

Care to back that up?

There's this web site called Google. Ask a child, they'll show you how to use it.


Well you're no goddamn help. Thanks for nothing.
 
2013-07-26 08:41:57 PM  
I'm liking his right wing dumb guy. Funny stuff.  "Shut up you job creator hater! Benghazi!"
 
2013-07-26 08:44:46 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: ghare: If you think you can't beat Wal-Mart pricing, well, that's why you're a Wal-Mart customer.

Sure there are sales at other stores on items that will beat Walmart's prices, but are you really going to drive to 15 different stores to get the things you need?


Like idiots driving across town 20 minutes to save a nickel on a gallon of gas.
 
2013-07-26 08:45:38 PM  

Lsherm: I Like Bread: Kazrath: You raise minimum wage and the price of stuff goes up immediately.

Anyone who condones this is a corporatist shill. The average CEO:worker pay ratio has gone from about 5:1 to 500:1 in the past 50 years. Their profits are higher and their taxes are lower than they've ever been. The idea that higher wages must come out of OUR pockets, not those of executives who are strangling their own companies, is indefensible. Still, conservatives have successfully created this big lie that capitalists are forces of nature, that their actions may not be opposed, and that any effort to ease the burden on the lower class actually HURTS them in the long run because the upper class have the power and influence to pass the buck.

Even though executive compensation is grossly out of proportion with what is deserved, you couldn't fund a minimum wage hike with their compensation.  It's not enough.


I guess that depends on your opinion of "what is deserved". Do you deserve to be a millionaire after a lifetime of hard work? Sure, why not. But as the video states, the net worth of the Walton name is around $69B, which is the yearly earnings of the entire lower 1/3rd of the population.
 
2013-07-26 08:46:20 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Popcorn Johnny: Yes, Colgate has two toothpaste production lines. One for tubes going to Walmart and one for everywhere else.

You're half right. Colgate has to change its formulas in order to meet Wal-Mart's demands.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/06/us-usa-consumer-walmart-id US TRE8250GM20120306

Companies often try to trim costs in ways that consumers will not notice. From 2007 to 2011, Colgate cut 36 percent of its formulas and 29 percent of the individual items it sells, or SKUs, according to Colgate-Palmolive Co (CL.N) Chief Executive Ian Cook. From 2008 until 2011, it reduced the number of fragrances it uses in various products by 26 percent.
This year, Colgate aims to trim another 5 percent of SKUs and fragrances and 3 percent more formulas, he said.


Okay, that's farked up.  I assumed that with furniture, clothing, etc. that it was a lower quality at Wal Mart, but with health products? Wow.
 
2013-07-26 08:46:47 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Debeo Summa Credo: Its not walmarts fault.

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It very much is WalMart's fault they do everything they can o avoid paying their employees a living wage. And this is after they've driven the stores that did pay a living wage out of business.


Do you really think Ed's Hardware or Joe's Market paid their employees a higher wage than Walmart? Really?
 
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