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2013-07-26 06:14:54 PM  

ghare: the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service


Wait, your can of Arrid deodorant, Irish Spring soap, Suave shampoo and Crest toothpaste are better than the ones I buy at Walmart? Better service, do they give you a hand job while waiting in line where you shop?
 
2013-07-26 06:15:50 PM  

ghare: TuteTibiImperes: BMFPitt: I came to refute the derp, but then it was a video so fark that until someone makes a list.

No derp, just facts like Wal-Mart drives local businesses out of business and despite record profits still pays so little that in many states Wal-Mart employees are the largest group on public assistance.  Just getting the message out there that the low prices you pay have a hidden cost in your tax dollars because Wal-Mart won't pay enough for employees to live without government funded assistance.

This is exactly what happens to the "savings" taxpayers get when things are privatized. Your taxes don't actually go down, and your service doesn't go up, when all the externalities are actually considered.


This is so true. Does anyone even realize it?

If the GOP succeeds in killing the post office, does anyone think that we'll have *better* or *cheaper* mail service?

No, it will be less convenient and more expensive, period!

And the postal service isn't even a cost to the taxpayers!
 
2013-07-26 06:15:51 PM  

silvervial: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

I have never set foot in a Walmart and I don't even know where one is located in my vicinity.

Suck it.


Tell us how you don't own a TV, bicycle to work and enjoy PBR while you're at it.
 
2013-07-26 06:16:48 PM  

revrendjim: I heard (from a regional-level Wal-Mart manager) that some of their products have lower prices because they are lower quality, even if they are well-known national brands. Wal-Mart controls about a fourth of all the grocery business in the US and has so much leverage that they can demand lower prices from their suppliers, so the manufacturers run special batches just for Wal-Mart where they use inferior ingredients and cut corners any way they can.


Sick, but fits their history.

Seems it's been many years since I heard that vendors wishing to get Walmart to carry their product were turned away if American labor was used, and told to get their products made in China.
 
2013-07-26 06:16:56 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: peacheslatour: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

You would.

So do millions and millions of other people, because they can get more for their money there.

Shake your impotent fists of rage all you want, this is a fact.


Over time, it costs considerably more. When the only clothes I could afford were WalMart clothes, I was replacing them all the time. I can afford better clothes now and they last much longer. I realize this is an anecdote, but it's also the case with most of the crap. Your money doesn't go further there.
 
2013-07-26 06:17:18 PM  

ghare: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

Unemployed, or on disability?


I shop at Walmart. I'm both. :(
 
2013-07-26 06:18:05 PM  

revrendjim: I heard (from a regional-level Wal-Mart manager) that some of their products have lower prices because they are lower quality, even if they are well-known national brands. Wal-Mart controls about a fourth of all the grocery business in the US and has so much leverage that they can demand lower prices from their suppliers, so the manufacturers run special batches just for Wal-Mart where they use inferior ingredients and cut corners any way they can.


A cousin of mine works for a factory that produces area rugs, bathroom carpets, that kind of thing. They have a production line for their other customers and a separate line for Walmart that uses lesser materials and runs faster in order to make the margins Walmart demands. He told me they call it the "Chain Gang" since it's for the new hires and the current employees with attendance and attitude problems -- he also told me not to buy their products from Walmart since they'll be threadbare garbage in no time.
 
2013-07-26 06:18:33 PM  

silvervial: If the GOP succeeds in killing the post office, does anyone think that we'll have *better* or *cheaper* mail service?


The only way I can see it ending is UPS and Fedex being angry no one is sending letters anymore so lobby to let Comcast charge a fee on every e-mail sent.
 
2013-07-26 06:21:08 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: ghare: the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service

Wait, your can of Arrid deodorant, Irish Spring soap, Suave shampoo and Crest toothpaste are better than the ones I buy at Walmart? Better service, do they give you a hand job while waiting in line where you shop?


You claim you only care about money and you're buying name brands?
 
2013-07-26 06:21:29 PM  
I will say when I lived in NY and MD, I was happy to not be shopping at Walmart. But since I had to move back in with my parents in Tennessee, Walmart is really the only game around. Also since I can't drive I don't really get to choose where groceries are gotten.
 
2013-07-26 06:21:48 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: silvervial: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

I have never set foot in a Walmart and I don't even know where one is located in my vicinity.

Suck it.

Tell us how you don't own a TV, bicycle to work and enjoy PBR while you're at it.


I have a 52 incher, two cars, and never drink any alcohol at all because it makes me projectile vomit.

I just happen to care about ethical corporations and do my shopping at those. Costco all the way, buddy.
 
2013-07-26 06:21:50 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: ghare: the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service

Wait, your can of Arrid deodorant, Irish Spring soap, Suave shampoo and Crest toothpaste are better than the ones I buy at Walmart? Better service, do they give you a hand job while waiting in line where you shop?


Yes. It's no big secret that suppliers have special lower grade products runs just for Walmart to meet their demand on prices. The box may have the same name on it but often it is an inferior product.
 
2013-07-26 06:22:06 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: ghare: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Oh, definitely, the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service, and to not be subjected to the generally horrific experience is well worth it to me. Local businessmen get my money normally. Hell, I even get better-than-Wal-Mart pricing  frequently.

Hmm. You'd think that Walmart wouldnt have grown to the sales volume it currently has if it offered lower quality merchandise, poorer service, and a generally horrific experience, while not offering better pricing than elsewhere

.

Whatever, Spanky. Woo hoo, a corporation is profitable. As long as our taxes pay for the health care and living expenses for the employees, and the unemployment and welfare and disabilty for those who lost their jobs and businesses to Wal-Mart. Yeah, those people have to make do with Wal-Mart crap. And there are lots of them. I can afford to buy a something better built that lasts longer, and that saves me money over time.

So just remember, your taxes subsidize Wal-Mart's profits. To think otherwise is ignoring reality.
 
2013-07-26 06:22:14 PM  

Selena Luna: Over time, it costs considerably more. When the only clothes I could afford were WalMart clothes, I was replacing them all the time. I can afford better clothes now and they last much longer. I realize this is an anecdote, but it's also the case with most of the crap. Your money doesn't go further there.


Most of what Walmart sells is the same as what you would find at any other store. There are some exceptions, especially with electronics where companies will make models specifically for Walmart so they can offer them at lower prices. As for consumables, brand name clothes and most other things, you're getting the same thing you would at other stores. Walmart is able to offer the items at a lower price because they buy in such bulk.
 
2013-07-26 06:22:53 PM  

ghare: Oh, and I'd like to invite people who want to see Hell to experience the Wal-Mart on South Semoran in Orlando. I'm sure there are worse places, but the employees look damned.


ha!  my fav WalMart story has always been when I was working in Orlando I had a project that we needed to burn to CDs and we ran out.  Being 1:30am or so the closest place to buy blank discs was the WM up 436 in Casselbury.  I swear I thought they were filming some sort of zombie movie or something and I just kept missing the cameras.  Stuff that made the "people of Walmart" website look like models.

scary doesn't even start to cover it.
 
2013-07-26 06:23:00 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: silvervial: If the GOP succeeds in killing the post office, does anyone think that we'll have *better* or *cheaper* mail service?

The only way I can see it ending is UPS and Fedex being angry no one is sending letters anymore so lobby to let Comcast charge a fee on every e-mail sent.


I've been treating email just like paper mail these days.. Just glance at it to see if there's anything even worth opening.
 
2013-07-26 06:23:48 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.


Let's see, the one in Stockton, California, is pretty damned disgusting. And the one in Anchorage, Alaska, requires a tetanus shot before you can leave the building... But, it's not the cleanliness that's the issue. Nor is it the decor (Costco has no decor and doesn't feel as shiatty as a WalMart). It's the thick film of desperation and poverty that permeates the buildings like some horrific miasma. Every time I've been in a WalMart I've felt like I needed a squeegee and a bath in acid to get the stink off of me.
 
2013-07-26 06:24:40 PM  

12349876: You claim you only care about money and you're buying name brands?


I'm buying name brands cheaper.
 
2013-07-26 06:24:48 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: ghare: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Oh, definitely, the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service, and to not be subjected to the generally horrific experience is well worth it to me. Local businessmen get my money normally. Hell, I even get better-than-Wal-Mart pricing  frequently.

Hmm. You'd think that Walmart wouldnt have grown to the sales volume it currently has if it offered lower quality merchandise, poorer service, and a generally horrific experience, while not offering better pricing than elsewhere.


In some places, it's brand recognition. In the town I come from, the pro big business people think they're "sticking it to the government" by shopping at Walmart, because my hometown has lots of morons. In some places, there is nowhere else to buy certain things-that's the case in Gallup, where I do most of my shopping. I can buy nearly everything elsewhere from Walmart, but if I have a particular cooking utensil that I need quickly, I have to go there. And I do, and then I order the same thing online, for a week later when the cooking utensil from Walmart breaks into a dozen pieces.

The only time I would recommend going there is when you have kids at that age where they need new clothes every two months because they're growing too tall for their old clothes. Even then, if you have a goodwill or a salvation army or something like that, go there.
 
2013-07-26 06:25:51 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: 12349876: You claim you only care about money and you're buying name brands?

I'm buying name brands cheaper.


Store brands are cheaper than any name brand anywhere.  You should be getting store brands or else you're taking quality into account not just price.
 
2013-07-26 06:26:36 PM  
They forgot the ultra-right libertarian wacko defense: "Sweatshops are good for China and raising the minimum wage causes unemployment!"
 
2013-07-26 06:26:56 PM  

Alphax: Seems it's been many years since I heard that vendors wishing to get Walmart to carry their product were turned away if American labor was used, and told to get their products made in China.


A company I worked for ever so briefly was responsible for 60% of NASCAR related crap you see at Wal-Mart. Despite being NASCAR, nearly all of the stuff was made in China. They'd even tried to outsource the design work to China, but had to bring it back to the States because, and I quote the owner, "Chinese don't understand NASCAR".

/quit after 2 weeks. What I thought was a job slapping together cooler, can coozie, wallet and lanyard designs for $9/hr turned out to be more of a project manager for 2 other designers, Chinese factory liaison, NASCAR branding liaison, college sports branding liaison(with suggestion travel was involved), IT, sales assistant, and slapping together cooler, can coozie, and lanyard designs for $9/hr
 
2013-07-26 06:27:06 PM  

Lackofname: I will say when I lived in NY and MD, I was happy to not be shopping at Walmart. But since I had to move back in with my parents in Tennessee, Walmart is really the only game around. Also since I can't drive I don't really get to choose where groceries are gotten.


This is actually how Walmart grew into such a powerhouse, enough to earn the praises of deluded shills like Debeo Summa Credo. They drive the competition out of town and end up being the only game around. This is pretty much the *opposite* of the kind of capitalism that people *think* we have.
 
2013-07-26 06:27:37 PM  

max_pooper: Yes. It's no big secret that suppliers have special lower grade products runs just for Walmart to meet their demand on prices. The box may have the same name on it but often it is an inferior product.


As I pointed out, that's for some electronics. I've never noticed a difference in anything I've bought at a Walmart when compared to buying the same item at another store. I have shiat all over my house that's from Walmart, CVS, Target and other places and I couldn't pick out those that were bought at Walmart if I tried.
 
2013-07-26 06:28:05 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: ghare: the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service

Wait, your can of Arrid deodorant, Irish Spring soap, Suave shampoo and Crest toothpaste are better than the ones I buy at Walmart? Better service, do they give you a hand job while waiting in line where you shop?


Just as an example, not that you care about facts, I can park closer and get in and out of my local  grocery store in less than half the time it takes at Wal-Mart. The lanes move I'd say 5x as fast. It's clean. The cashiers have average intelligence. I'm sure you weren't aware that Wal-Mart does in fact sell watered-down versions of things like shampoo, which is part of how they keep their prices low.

And mostly, there are far far fewer people like you in it. And since I don't really save money at Wal-Mart, it's just silly to shop there.
 
2013-07-26 06:28:50 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


You sound poor.
 
2013-07-26 06:30:03 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Some of us take more than price into account like a shopping experience that isn't shiatty.  Wal Mart has gotten shiatty to the point where it's gotten worse than farking KMart.  And I'm saying this as someone who enjoyed Wal Mart 15 years ago.

Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.


New Survey Says Wal Mart Lags the Grocery Pack
http://www.thecitywire.com/node/28750
 
2013-07-26 06:30:20 PM  

12349876: Store brands are cheaper than any name brand anywhere.  You should be getting store brands or else you're taking quality into account not just price.


I never said I was only worried about money. I said I shop at Walmart because I can get what I want cheaper. I buy off brands for some things, and stick to name brands on others. I'm sure most people do the same.
 
2013-07-26 06:30:31 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: peacheslatour: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

You would.

So do millions and millions of other people, because they can get more for their money there.

Shake your impotent fists of rage all you want, this is a fact.


Except the argument is that we're not getting more for our money. Because with Wal-Marts horrible pay and benefits packages more of our tax money goes to public assistance than it should. And they're closing local business, which leads to local unemployment, which also costs everyone money. And they sell cheaper goods, which costs us more money in the long run, from predominantly foreign manufacturers, which means money leaving the US.

Saving a quarter on a loaf of bread isn't fiscally responsible when set against a mountain of EBT cards and Medicaid payments.
 
2013-07-26 06:30:35 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Walmart is able to offer the items at a lower price because they buy in such bulk

strong arm their suppliers to bring down costs to a level that WM is happy with.  So, the supplier has to make a choice - make their products cheaper (in all senses of that word) so WM will carry them or keep their product quality to their own standards.  And that is well documented.

http://www.fastcompany.com/47593/wal-mart-you-dont-know
http://www.demos.org/publication/not-made-america-top-10-ways-walmar t- destroys-us-manufacturing-jobs
http://knowmore.org/wiki/index.php?title=Wal-Mart_Stores%2C_Inc.#Cri ti cisms_of_Wal-Mart.27s_Vendor_Relations
 
2013-07-26 06:30:50 PM  

Ed Grubermann: It's the thick film of desperation and poverty that permeates the buildings like some horrific miasma. Every time I've been in a WalMart I've felt like I needed a squeegee and a bath in acid to get the stink off of me.


See, that hint of sorrow just makes DSC stronger. It may or may not also give him a raging boner equivalent to a clone army of Selma Hayeks and a dump truck full of Viagra.
 
2013-07-26 06:31:07 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: No derp, just facts like Wal-Mart drives local businesses out of business and despite record profits still pays so little that in many states Wal-Mart employees are the largest group on public assistance.  Just getting the message out there that the low prices you pay have a hidden cost in your tax dollars because Wal-Mart won't pay enough for employees to live without government funded assistance.


So derp, then?

rev. dave: So the way to affect the unethical behavior of Wal-Mart is to have laws which restrict them and allow their workers to organize.


No, it's to vote with your feet.

I will still shop there if the price is 30% more.  Especially if the workers are better treated.

Why?  That would make then significantly more expensive than their competitors.  If you're saying you'd pay more for better-paid workers, why aren't you shopping at a place that pays workers better right now?
 
2013-07-26 06:31:18 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: max_pooper: Yes. It's no big secret that suppliers have special lower grade products runs just for Walmart to meet their demand on prices. The box may have the same name on it but often it is an inferior product.

As I pointed out, that's for some electronics. I've never noticed a difference in anything I've bought at a Walmart when compared to buying the same item at another store. I have shiat all over my house that's from Walmart, CVS, Target and other places and I couldn't pick out those that were bought at Walmart if I tried.

12349876: Popcorn Johnny: 12349876: You claim you only care about money and you're buying name brands?

I'm buying name brands cheaper.

Store brands are cheaper than any name brand anywhere.  You should be getting store brands or else you're taking quality into account not just price.


Publix has pretty good store-brand stuff.
 
2013-07-26 06:31:34 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Some of us take more than price into account like a shopping experience that isn't shiatty.  Wal Mart has gotten shiatty to the point where it's gotten worse than farking KMart.  And I'm saying this as someone who enjoyed Wal Mart 15 years ago.

Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.


I have a relatively nice one near my house.  All the other ones in town are fairly disgusting.  I assume the fact that the nice one isn't 24 hours has something to do with it.  There are certain weekly items we'll pick up there.  If it involves produce or meats, however, it's getting picked up at Publix.

/the south
 
2013-07-26 06:32:02 PM  

ghare: So just remember, your taxes subsidize Wal-Mart's profits. To think otherwise is ignoring reality.


I agree.  And my gripe is with the subsidies and the politicians who give them out.
 
2013-07-26 06:32:23 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: max_pooper: Yes. It's no big secret that suppliers have special lower grade products runs just for Walmart to meet their demand on prices. The box may have the same name on it but often it is an inferior product.

As I pointed out, that's for some electronics. I've never noticed a difference in anything I've bought at a Walmart when compared to buying the same item at another store. I have shiat all over my house that's from Walmart, CVS, Target and other places and I couldn't pick out those that were bought at Walmart if I tried.


There we have it, an expert in the field or ... well consumer goods I guess... has spoken!

/google "confirmation bias"
 
2013-07-26 06:34:10 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: peacheslatour: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

You would.

So do millions and millions of other people, because they can get more for their money there.

Shake your impotent fists of rage all you want, this is a fact.


They think they get more for their money there. However they neglect to take into account the portions of Wal-Mart's labor costs that are paid for through the consumers taxes supporting required safety net programs for the stores low wage workers.
 
2013-07-26 06:35:50 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Some of us take more than price into account like a shopping experience that isn't shiatty.  Wal Mart has gotten shiatty to the point where it's gotten worse than farking KMart.  And I'm saying this as someone who enjoyed Wal Mart 15 years ago.

Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.


Some of the walmarts local to me have gone rotating 6 month temp workers except for management.

11am and some shelves are bare.

That might be moar a local franchise thing tho.

I have on occasion shopped at wmart... I would say their quality is at/beyond the point of being worth the reduced prices.
 
2013-07-26 06:36:16 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: 12349876: Store brands are cheaper than any name brand anywhere.  You should be getting store brands or else you're taking quality into account not just price.

I never said I was only worried about money. I said I shop at Walmart because I can get what I want cheaper. I buy off brands for some things, and stick to name brands on others. I'm sure most people do the same.


And the same reasons you choose a name brand over a store brand is the same reason some of us choose to shop somewhere other than Wal Mart.
 
2013-07-26 06:36:37 PM  

12349876: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service

Wait, your can of Arrid deodorant, Irish Spring soap, Suave shampoo and Crest toothpaste are better than the ones I buy at Walmart? Better service, do they give you a hand job while waiting in line where you shop?

You claim you only care about money and you're buying name brands?


Hey hey hey now....Suave is cheap as nutz.
 
2013-07-26 06:36:39 PM  
Alphax:

Seems it's been many years since I heard that vendors wishing to get Walmart to carry their product were turned away if American labor was used, and told to get their products made in China.

About ten years ago, before I'd ever seen a Walmart, there was a documentary or something about some vendors trying to get their goods into the chain and what happened before, during, and after. Even leaving aside the way Walmart treats its employees now, what they were demanding of these mom and pop entrepreneurs was enough to make me swear off ever shopping at one. It was arm twisting to a horrific extent and, basically, for the right to sell their $5 or $20 crap at Walmart, the owners were basically asked to give up any notion of making a reasonable profit like they'd get any and everywhere else.

Really opened my eyes.
 
2013-07-26 06:37:00 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Some of us take more than price into account like a shopping experience that isn't shiatty.  Wal Mart has gotten shiatty to the point where it's gotten worse than farking KMart.  And I'm saying this as someone who enjoyed Wal Mart 15 years ago.

Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.


If you shop at WalMart and don't think it is shiatty, you are one of the "People of Walmart" that makes it shiatty for normal people to shop there.
 
2013-07-26 06:37:18 PM  

jst3p: There we have it, an expert in the field or ... well consumer goods I guess... has spoken!


I'm certainly more of an expert than people in this thread who say they don't shop there, but then claim to know the quality of the products they sell.
 
2013-07-26 06:38:19 PM  

12349876: And the same reasons you choose a name brand over a store brand is the same reason some of us choose to shop somewhere other than Wal Mart.


What?
 
2013-07-26 06:40:03 PM  
Kumbaya, Lord. Kumbaya.
 
2013-07-26 06:41:27 PM  
If Wal-Mart shuts down, those "People of Wal-Mart" will have to shop somewhere else.
 
2013-07-26 06:43:35 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: 12349876: And the same reasons you choose a name brand over a store brand is the same reason some of us choose to shop somewhere other than Wal Mart.

What?


He is saying walmart is a shiatty brand, not necessarily because of the products they sell but the way they conduct business and achieve higher profits by having their labor costs subsidized by tax payer programs that provide benefits to their employees. So some of us choose different brands.
 
2013-07-26 06:45:15 PM  
www.meijer.com


When it's cheaper at Target, I'll buy it there.
 
2013-07-26 06:45:26 PM  

Snarfangel: If Wal-Mart shuts down, those "People of Wal-Mart" will have to shop somewhere else.


They may, in time, be able to afford real clothes.
 
2013-07-26 06:45:29 PM  

OregonVet: Why not just raise minimum wage?


I know that sounds like a simple solution but it is not.  You raise minimum wage and the price of stuff goes up immediately.

Unfortunately in our current system where the corporations have everyone by the balls all that raising the minimum wage translates into is everyone making more than minimum wage earning less on a sliding scale.  So you were doing okay at 15 bucks an hour.  Look! minimum wage jumped to 10 bucks an hour and now you at 15 bucks an hour are spending 10-20% more for exactly the same needed products you bought before it jumped.  Raising minimum wage will not make you jump from 15 to 16-17 bucks an hour.  You will end up with less disposable income and will end up more likely needing assistance

They want to make this work we need to pass some sort of legislation that states:  If any employee of any company qualifies for government subsidies  the cost of those subsidies  will be returned by said company in full as a form of tax.

^  Doing something like that may allow capitalism to work while still being socialist enough to take into account the human element.  We currently let corporations trample all over the human element at the cost of 10 of billions a dollars yearly out of your pocket.
 
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