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2013-07-26 04:44:39 PM  
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2013-07-26 05:01:11 PM  
www.simplysyndicated.com
 
2013-07-26 05:13:06 PM  
Very well said.  And that guy sort of has a Michael J Fox meets Nathan Fillion thing going on, I like his style.
 
2013-07-26 05:16:50 PM  
Wait, people still defend Wal-Mart?

I mean besides stock-holders?
 
2013-07-26 05:17:30 PM  
Yeah, but if we tried to fix it socialisms and comma furthermore...
 
2013-07-26 05:18:17 PM  
That guy makes very good points, but he really does make me want to punch him in the face.
 
2013-07-26 05:18:28 PM  

meat0918: Wait, people still defend Wal-Mart?

I mean besides stock-holders?


Definitely not the shoppers, they prefer the dollar store where they don't have to get all dressed up.
 
2013-07-26 05:21:03 PM  

meat0918: Wait, people still defend Wal-Mart?

I mean besides stock-holders?


Nah, the stock holders don't defend it. They just say "I got mine, Fark You!":
 
2013-07-26 05:23:44 PM  
I'd say 'Thank you, Ric Romero', but I'm sure many people are still in denial.
 
2013-07-26 05:25:13 PM  
Speaking of outsourcing,
Didn't current just sell to an arab country?
 
2013-07-26 05:28:51 PM  
Nailed it.
 
2013-07-26 05:31:46 PM  
The first second of that video scared me so I turned it off and won't watch it, seriously it sounded like a monster farting.
 
2013-07-26 05:38:27 PM  
Walmart provides a 24 hour hotline for their employees... the hotline is staffed with social workers hired to arrange charity and public assistance for Walmart employees.  The hotline phone number is pasted in the employee break room and on little inserts that they put into the paycheck envelope.  Here is your pathetic paycheck and a phone number for the food pantry!
 
2013-07-26 05:40:37 PM  

brainscab: Didn't current just sell to an arab country?


It was bought by Al-Jazeera, which will be shutting Current down and relaunching as Al-Jazeera America in less than one month.
 
2013-07-26 05:45:22 PM  

Gulper Eel: brainscab: Didn't current just sell to an arab country?

It was bought by Al-Jazeera, which will be shutting Current down and relaunching as Al-Jazeera America in less than one month.


Allah hu akbar.
 
2013-07-26 05:45:44 PM  
Why not just raise minimum wage?
 
2013-07-26 05:45:48 PM  

brainscab: Speaking of outsourcing,
Didn't current just sell to an arab country?


Well, no. Al Jazeera bought Current TV. It's going to switch to Al Jazeera America.

This is a good thing.

http://gawker.com/5972707/all-the-best-bigoted-reactions-to-al-jazee ra s-purchasing-of-current-tv
 
2013-07-26 05:48:43 PM  
I came to refute the derp, but then it was a video so fark that until someone makes a list.
 
2013-07-26 05:51:45 PM  

OregonVet: Why not just raise minimum wage?


Because that leads to shiftless people getting more than they deserve. The Waltons deserve the money more, having earned all that cash by falling out of the right cooter.
 
2013-07-26 05:51:48 PM  
The new ads featuring a guy who brags about his profit sharing and how Walmart paid for college...aren't working.
 
2013-07-26 05:52:45 PM  
I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.
 
2013-07-26 05:53:10 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


I'm sorry.
 
2013-07-26 05:53:46 PM  

BMFPitt: I came to refute the derp, but then it was a video so fark that until someone makes a list.


No derp, just facts like Wal-Mart drives local businesses out of business and despite record profits still pays so little that in many states Wal-Mart employees are the largest group on public assistance.  Just getting the message out there that the low prices you pay have a hidden cost in your tax dollars because Wal-Mart won't pay enough for employees to live without government funded assistance.
 
2013-07-26 05:53:53 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


Unemployed, or on disability?
 
2013-07-26 05:53:54 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


Well, Wal-Mart screws consumers and employees alike in the name of the Almighty Profit, so of course they're a Republican hero.
 
2013-07-26 05:54:10 PM  
5 defenders? Are the people who shop there not considered "defenders"? They're the reason Walmart has been so successful doing business the way they do. If you have a gripe with Walmart, don't shop there. You CAN make a difference. If they are limited to selling to their 5 defenders, they'll go out of business and all those poor people working there will be released from their shackles, going free.
 
2013-07-26 05:54:28 PM  
i did like the benghazi reference.
 
2013-07-26 05:56:51 PM  

ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?


I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self
 
2013-07-26 05:56:55 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: BMFPitt: I came to refute the derp, but then it was a video so fark that until someone makes a list.

No derp, just facts like Wal-Mart drives local businesses out of business and despite record profits still pays so little that in many states Wal-Mart employees are the largest group on public assistance.  Just getting the message out there that the low prices you pay have a hidden cost in your tax dollars because Wal-Mart won't pay enough for employees to live without government funded assistance.


This is exactly what happens to the "savings" taxpayers get when things are privatized. Your taxes don't actually go down, and your service doesn't go up, when all the externalities are actually considered.
 
2013-07-26 05:57:02 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


You would.
 
2013-07-26 05:58:06 PM  
By his logic, the only way for an individual to recoup any of he money the company is costing society is to save money by shopping at Walmart.

I don't think that's what he was saying, vicious circle, etc.
 
2013-07-26 05:59:05 PM  

peacheslatour: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

You would.


So do millions and millions of other people, because they can get more for their money there.

Shake your impotent fists of rage all you want, this is a fact.
 
2013-07-26 05:59:22 PM  
Here is where my pragmatic side appears.  Mr. Fugelsang is doing what I want a guy like him to do, we could use thousands more if they split the work.   However, if it were not for Wal-Mart my few dollars left after debt payments would not help as much.
The workers ay my store are all nice to me and a few recognize me, I buy a lot of my groceries from there.  I feel glad they have a job, if things were worse, I could work there.I can imagine them as co-workers at least once in the next 30 years, mainly after retirement.  I don't trust Republicans with social security.  The money I save is a big deal.
But really there are a lot of other non-political organizations I feel much stronger about.  Comcast, ATT, Verizon, Banks, Commodities markets.   This company is a Weathervane rather than a Haliburton.  They adapt to changes well.  So the way to affect the unethical behavior of Wal-Mart is to have laws which restrict them and allow their workers to organize.  I will still shop there if the price is 30% more.  Especially if the workers are better treated.
 
2013-07-26 06:00:04 PM  
I hate the free market!
 
2013-07-26 06:01:21 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


The video isn't targeting people who shop at Walmart, it's targeting those that defend it's practices.

I'd like to believe if Sam Walton were alive, he'd disown all of his kids for what they've done.
 
2013-07-26 06:01:28 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: BMFPitt: I came to refute the derp, but then it was a video so fark that until someone makes a list.

No derp, just facts like Wal-Mart drives local businesses out of business and despite record profits still pays so little that in many states Wal-Mart employees are the largest group on public assistance.  Just getting the message out there that the low prices you pay have a hidden cost in your tax dollars because Wal-Mart won't pay enough for employees to live without government funded assistance.


Too many big words, these are people of the land, the common clay of the new West.

/"Buy from Wal-Mart, support commie Chinese."
 
2013-07-26 06:04:22 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self


Oh, definitely, the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service, and to not be subjected to the generally horrific experience is well worth it to me. Local businessmen get my money normally. Hell, I even get better-than-Wal-Mart pricing  frequently.
 
2013-07-26 06:05:38 PM  

ghare: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Oh, definitely, the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service, and to not be subjected to the generally horrific experience is well worth it to me. Local businessmen get my money normally. Hell, I even get better-than-Wal-Mart pricing  frequently.


There is a new saying.

"I'm too poor to shop at Wal-Mart, because I always have to replace the cheap shiat I buy from there".
 
2013-07-26 06:07:23 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


"Suck it"? Is that how you pay for your merchandise at Walmart? Must be hard times for you dude. Hang in there.
 
2013-07-26 06:07:29 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self


Some of us take more than price into account like a shopping experience that isn't shiatty.  Wal Mart has gotten shiatty to the point where it's gotten worse than farking KMart.  And I'm saying this as someone who enjoyed Wal Mart 15 years ago.
 
2013-07-26 06:07:43 PM  

meat0918: ghare: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Oh, definitely, the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service, and to not be subjected to the generally horrific experience is well worth it to me. Local businessmen get my money normally. Hell, I even get better-than-Wal-Mart pricing  frequently.

There is a new saying.

"I'm too poor to shop at Wal-Mart, because I always have to replace the cheap shiat I buy from there".


I got some shiatty Wal-Mart Levis that finally took it out of me a few years ago. Levis that fall apart? fark that.
 
2013-07-26 06:07:53 PM  

ghare: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Oh, definitely, the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service, and to not be subjected to the generally horrific experience is well worth it to me. Local businessmen get my money normally. Hell, I even get better-than-Wal-Mart pricing  frequently.


Hmm. You'd think that Walmart wouldnt have grown to the sales volume it currently has if it offered lower quality merchandise, poorer service, and a generally horrific experience, while not offering better pricing than elsewhere.
 
2013-07-26 06:09:43 PM  
Oh, and I'd like to invite people who want to see Hell to experience the Wal-Mart on South Semoran in Orlando. I'm sure there are worse places, but the employees look damned.
 
2013-07-26 06:10:23 PM  
I heard (from a regional-level Wal-Mart manager) that some of their products have lower prices because they are lower quality, even if they are well-known national brands. Wal-Mart controls about a fourth of all the grocery business in the US and has so much leverage that they can demand lower prices from their suppliers, so the manufacturers run special batches just for Wal-Mart where they use inferior ingredients and cut corners any way they can.
 
2013-07-26 06:10:32 PM  

12349876: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Some of us take more than price into account like a shopping experience that isn't shiatty.  Wal Mart has gotten shiatty to the point where it's gotten worse than farking KMart.  And I'm saying this as someone who enjoyed Wal Mart 15 years ago.


Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.
 
2013-07-26 06:12:35 PM  
Until they can sell a blu-ray player $20, I say screw the mom-and-pops. I don't know how they expect to sell an electronic gizmo for $100 thwt break down every 6 months.
 
2013-07-26 06:12:35 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


I have never set foot in a Walmart and I don't even know where one is located in my vicinity.

Suck it.
 
2013-07-26 06:12:54 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Hmm. You'd think that Walmart wouldnt have grown to the sales volume it currently has if it offered lower quality merchandise, poorer service, and a generally horrific experience, while not offering better pricing than elsewhere.


It grew by doing all those things, but they slowly went out the window after Sam Walton died.
 
2013-07-26 06:13:02 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Hmm. You'd think that Walmart wouldnt have grown to the sales volume it currently has if it offered lower quality merchandise, poorer service, and a generally horrific experience, while not offering better pricing than elsewhere.


Yeah, what with all the competition they face. I mean, it's not like they've put everyone else out of business in most of the <100,000 pop towns they operate in.
 
2013-07-26 06:14:12 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: BMFPitt: I came to refute the derp, but then it was a video so fark that until someone makes a list.

No derp, just facts like Wal-Mart drives local businesses out of business


The local businesses that stock Chinese goods?
 
2013-07-26 06:14:54 PM  

ghare: the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service


Wait, your can of Arrid deodorant, Irish Spring soap, Suave shampoo and Crest toothpaste are better than the ones I buy at Walmart? Better service, do they give you a hand job while waiting in line where you shop?
 
2013-07-26 06:15:50 PM  

ghare: TuteTibiImperes: BMFPitt: I came to refute the derp, but then it was a video so fark that until someone makes a list.

No derp, just facts like Wal-Mart drives local businesses out of business and despite record profits still pays so little that in many states Wal-Mart employees are the largest group on public assistance.  Just getting the message out there that the low prices you pay have a hidden cost in your tax dollars because Wal-Mart won't pay enough for employees to live without government funded assistance.

This is exactly what happens to the "savings" taxpayers get when things are privatized. Your taxes don't actually go down, and your service doesn't go up, when all the externalities are actually considered.


This is so true. Does anyone even realize it?

If the GOP succeeds in killing the post office, does anyone think that we'll have *better* or *cheaper* mail service?

No, it will be less convenient and more expensive, period!

And the postal service isn't even a cost to the taxpayers!
 
2013-07-26 06:15:51 PM  

silvervial: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

I have never set foot in a Walmart and I don't even know where one is located in my vicinity.

Suck it.


Tell us how you don't own a TV, bicycle to work and enjoy PBR while you're at it.
 
2013-07-26 06:16:48 PM  

revrendjim: I heard (from a regional-level Wal-Mart manager) that some of their products have lower prices because they are lower quality, even if they are well-known national brands. Wal-Mart controls about a fourth of all the grocery business in the US and has so much leverage that they can demand lower prices from their suppliers, so the manufacturers run special batches just for Wal-Mart where they use inferior ingredients and cut corners any way they can.


Sick, but fits their history.

Seems it's been many years since I heard that vendors wishing to get Walmart to carry their product were turned away if American labor was used, and told to get their products made in China.
 
2013-07-26 06:16:56 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: peacheslatour: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

You would.

So do millions and millions of other people, because they can get more for their money there.

Shake your impotent fists of rage all you want, this is a fact.


Over time, it costs considerably more. When the only clothes I could afford were WalMart clothes, I was replacing them all the time. I can afford better clothes now and they last much longer. I realize this is an anecdote, but it's also the case with most of the crap. Your money doesn't go further there.
 
2013-07-26 06:17:18 PM  

ghare: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

Unemployed, or on disability?


I shop at Walmart. I'm both. :(
 
2013-07-26 06:18:05 PM  

revrendjim: I heard (from a regional-level Wal-Mart manager) that some of their products have lower prices because they are lower quality, even if they are well-known national brands. Wal-Mart controls about a fourth of all the grocery business in the US and has so much leverage that they can demand lower prices from their suppliers, so the manufacturers run special batches just for Wal-Mart where they use inferior ingredients and cut corners any way they can.


A cousin of mine works for a factory that produces area rugs, bathroom carpets, that kind of thing. They have a production line for their other customers and a separate line for Walmart that uses lesser materials and runs faster in order to make the margins Walmart demands. He told me they call it the "Chain Gang" since it's for the new hires and the current employees with attendance and attitude problems -- he also told me not to buy their products from Walmart since they'll be threadbare garbage in no time.
 
2013-07-26 06:18:33 PM  

silvervial: If the GOP succeeds in killing the post office, does anyone think that we'll have *better* or *cheaper* mail service?


The only way I can see it ending is UPS and Fedex being angry no one is sending letters anymore so lobby to let Comcast charge a fee on every e-mail sent.
 
2013-07-26 06:21:08 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: ghare: the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service

Wait, your can of Arrid deodorant, Irish Spring soap, Suave shampoo and Crest toothpaste are better than the ones I buy at Walmart? Better service, do they give you a hand job while waiting in line where you shop?


You claim you only care about money and you're buying name brands?
 
2013-07-26 06:21:29 PM  
I will say when I lived in NY and MD, I was happy to not be shopping at Walmart. But since I had to move back in with my parents in Tennessee, Walmart is really the only game around. Also since I can't drive I don't really get to choose where groceries are gotten.
 
2013-07-26 06:21:48 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: silvervial: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

I have never set foot in a Walmart and I don't even know where one is located in my vicinity.

Suck it.

Tell us how you don't own a TV, bicycle to work and enjoy PBR while you're at it.


I have a 52 incher, two cars, and never drink any alcohol at all because it makes me projectile vomit.

I just happen to care about ethical corporations and do my shopping at those. Costco all the way, buddy.
 
2013-07-26 06:21:50 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: ghare: the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service

Wait, your can of Arrid deodorant, Irish Spring soap, Suave shampoo and Crest toothpaste are better than the ones I buy at Walmart? Better service, do they give you a hand job while waiting in line where you shop?


Yes. It's no big secret that suppliers have special lower grade products runs just for Walmart to meet their demand on prices. The box may have the same name on it but often it is an inferior product.
 
2013-07-26 06:22:06 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: ghare: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Oh, definitely, the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service, and to not be subjected to the generally horrific experience is well worth it to me. Local businessmen get my money normally. Hell, I even get better-than-Wal-Mart pricing  frequently.

Hmm. You'd think that Walmart wouldnt have grown to the sales volume it currently has if it offered lower quality merchandise, poorer service, and a generally horrific experience, while not offering better pricing than elsewhere

.

Whatever, Spanky. Woo hoo, a corporation is profitable. As long as our taxes pay for the health care and living expenses for the employees, and the unemployment and welfare and disabilty for those who lost their jobs and businesses to Wal-Mart. Yeah, those people have to make do with Wal-Mart crap. And there are lots of them. I can afford to buy a something better built that lasts longer, and that saves me money over time.

So just remember, your taxes subsidize Wal-Mart's profits. To think otherwise is ignoring reality.
 
2013-07-26 06:22:14 PM  

Selena Luna: Over time, it costs considerably more. When the only clothes I could afford were WalMart clothes, I was replacing them all the time. I can afford better clothes now and they last much longer. I realize this is an anecdote, but it's also the case with most of the crap. Your money doesn't go further there.


Most of what Walmart sells is the same as what you would find at any other store. There are some exceptions, especially with electronics where companies will make models specifically for Walmart so they can offer them at lower prices. As for consumables, brand name clothes and most other things, you're getting the same thing you would at other stores. Walmart is able to offer the items at a lower price because they buy in such bulk.
 
2013-07-26 06:22:53 PM  

ghare: Oh, and I'd like to invite people who want to see Hell to experience the Wal-Mart on South Semoran in Orlando. I'm sure there are worse places, but the employees look damned.


ha!  my fav WalMart story has always been when I was working in Orlando I had a project that we needed to burn to CDs and we ran out.  Being 1:30am or so the closest place to buy blank discs was the WM up 436 in Casselbury.  I swear I thought they were filming some sort of zombie movie or something and I just kept missing the cameras.  Stuff that made the "people of Walmart" website look like models.

scary doesn't even start to cover it.
 
2013-07-26 06:23:00 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: silvervial: If the GOP succeeds in killing the post office, does anyone think that we'll have *better* or *cheaper* mail service?

The only way I can see it ending is UPS and Fedex being angry no one is sending letters anymore so lobby to let Comcast charge a fee on every e-mail sent.


I've been treating email just like paper mail these days.. Just glance at it to see if there's anything even worth opening.
 
2013-07-26 06:23:48 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.


Let's see, the one in Stockton, California, is pretty damned disgusting. And the one in Anchorage, Alaska, requires a tetanus shot before you can leave the building... But, it's not the cleanliness that's the issue. Nor is it the decor (Costco has no decor and doesn't feel as shiatty as a WalMart). It's the thick film of desperation and poverty that permeates the buildings like some horrific miasma. Every time I've been in a WalMart I've felt like I needed a squeegee and a bath in acid to get the stink off of me.
 
2013-07-26 06:24:40 PM  

12349876: You claim you only care about money and you're buying name brands?


I'm buying name brands cheaper.
 
2013-07-26 06:24:48 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: ghare: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Oh, definitely, the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service, and to not be subjected to the generally horrific experience is well worth it to me. Local businessmen get my money normally. Hell, I even get better-than-Wal-Mart pricing  frequently.

Hmm. You'd think that Walmart wouldnt have grown to the sales volume it currently has if it offered lower quality merchandise, poorer service, and a generally horrific experience, while not offering better pricing than elsewhere.


In some places, it's brand recognition. In the town I come from, the pro big business people think they're "sticking it to the government" by shopping at Walmart, because my hometown has lots of morons. In some places, there is nowhere else to buy certain things-that's the case in Gallup, where I do most of my shopping. I can buy nearly everything elsewhere from Walmart, but if I have a particular cooking utensil that I need quickly, I have to go there. And I do, and then I order the same thing online, for a week later when the cooking utensil from Walmart breaks into a dozen pieces.

The only time I would recommend going there is when you have kids at that age where they need new clothes every two months because they're growing too tall for their old clothes. Even then, if you have a goodwill or a salvation army or something like that, go there.
 
2013-07-26 06:25:51 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: 12349876: You claim you only care about money and you're buying name brands?

I'm buying name brands cheaper.


Store brands are cheaper than any name brand anywhere.  You should be getting store brands or else you're taking quality into account not just price.
 
2013-07-26 06:26:36 PM  
They forgot the ultra-right libertarian wacko defense: "Sweatshops are good for China and raising the minimum wage causes unemployment!"
 
2013-07-26 06:26:56 PM  

Alphax: Seems it's been many years since I heard that vendors wishing to get Walmart to carry their product were turned away if American labor was used, and told to get their products made in China.


A company I worked for ever so briefly was responsible for 60% of NASCAR related crap you see at Wal-Mart. Despite being NASCAR, nearly all of the stuff was made in China. They'd even tried to outsource the design work to China, but had to bring it back to the States because, and I quote the owner, "Chinese don't understand NASCAR".

/quit after 2 weeks. What I thought was a job slapping together cooler, can coozie, wallet and lanyard designs for $9/hr turned out to be more of a project manager for 2 other designers, Chinese factory liaison, NASCAR branding liaison, college sports branding liaison(with suggestion travel was involved), IT, sales assistant, and slapping together cooler, can coozie, and lanyard designs for $9/hr
 
2013-07-26 06:27:06 PM  

Lackofname: I will say when I lived in NY and MD, I was happy to not be shopping at Walmart. But since I had to move back in with my parents in Tennessee, Walmart is really the only game around. Also since I can't drive I don't really get to choose where groceries are gotten.


This is actually how Walmart grew into such a powerhouse, enough to earn the praises of deluded shills like Debeo Summa Credo. They drive the competition out of town and end up being the only game around. This is pretty much the *opposite* of the kind of capitalism that people *think* we have.
 
2013-07-26 06:27:37 PM  

max_pooper: Yes. It's no big secret that suppliers have special lower grade products runs just for Walmart to meet their demand on prices. The box may have the same name on it but often it is an inferior product.


As I pointed out, that's for some electronics. I've never noticed a difference in anything I've bought at a Walmart when compared to buying the same item at another store. I have shiat all over my house that's from Walmart, CVS, Target and other places and I couldn't pick out those that were bought at Walmart if I tried.
 
2013-07-26 06:28:05 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: ghare: the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service

Wait, your can of Arrid deodorant, Irish Spring soap, Suave shampoo and Crest toothpaste are better than the ones I buy at Walmart? Better service, do they give you a hand job while waiting in line where you shop?


Just as an example, not that you care about facts, I can park closer and get in and out of my local  grocery store in less than half the time it takes at Wal-Mart. The lanes move I'd say 5x as fast. It's clean. The cashiers have average intelligence. I'm sure you weren't aware that Wal-Mart does in fact sell watered-down versions of things like shampoo, which is part of how they keep their prices low.

And mostly, there are far far fewer people like you in it. And since I don't really save money at Wal-Mart, it's just silly to shop there.
 
2013-07-26 06:28:50 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


You sound poor.
 
2013-07-26 06:30:03 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Some of us take more than price into account like a shopping experience that isn't shiatty.  Wal Mart has gotten shiatty to the point where it's gotten worse than farking KMart.  And I'm saying this as someone who enjoyed Wal Mart 15 years ago.

Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.


New Survey Says Wal Mart Lags the Grocery Pack
http://www.thecitywire.com/node/28750
 
2013-07-26 06:30:20 PM  

12349876: Store brands are cheaper than any name brand anywhere.  You should be getting store brands or else you're taking quality into account not just price.


I never said I was only worried about money. I said I shop at Walmart because I can get what I want cheaper. I buy off brands for some things, and stick to name brands on others. I'm sure most people do the same.
 
2013-07-26 06:30:31 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: peacheslatour: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

You would.

So do millions and millions of other people, because they can get more for their money there.

Shake your impotent fists of rage all you want, this is a fact.


Except the argument is that we're not getting more for our money. Because with Wal-Marts horrible pay and benefits packages more of our tax money goes to public assistance than it should. And they're closing local business, which leads to local unemployment, which also costs everyone money. And they sell cheaper goods, which costs us more money in the long run, from predominantly foreign manufacturers, which means money leaving the US.

Saving a quarter on a loaf of bread isn't fiscally responsible when set against a mountain of EBT cards and Medicaid payments.
 
2013-07-26 06:30:35 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Walmart is able to offer the items at a lower price because they buy in such bulk

strong arm their suppliers to bring down costs to a level that WM is happy with.  So, the supplier has to make a choice - make their products cheaper (in all senses of that word) so WM will carry them or keep their product quality to their own standards.  And that is well documented.

http://www.fastcompany.com/47593/wal-mart-you-dont-know
http://www.demos.org/publication/not-made-america-top-10-ways-walmar t- destroys-us-manufacturing-jobs
http://knowmore.org/wiki/index.php?title=Wal-Mart_Stores%2C_Inc.#Cri ti cisms_of_Wal-Mart.27s_Vendor_Relations
 
2013-07-26 06:30:50 PM  

Ed Grubermann: It's the thick film of desperation and poverty that permeates the buildings like some horrific miasma. Every time I've been in a WalMart I've felt like I needed a squeegee and a bath in acid to get the stink off of me.


See, that hint of sorrow just makes DSC stronger. It may or may not also give him a raging boner equivalent to a clone army of Selma Hayeks and a dump truck full of Viagra.
 
2013-07-26 06:31:07 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: No derp, just facts like Wal-Mart drives local businesses out of business and despite record profits still pays so little that in many states Wal-Mart employees are the largest group on public assistance.  Just getting the message out there that the low prices you pay have a hidden cost in your tax dollars because Wal-Mart won't pay enough for employees to live without government funded assistance.


So derp, then?

rev. dave: So the way to affect the unethical behavior of Wal-Mart is to have laws which restrict them and allow their workers to organize.


No, it's to vote with your feet.

I will still shop there if the price is 30% more.  Especially if the workers are better treated.

Why?  That would make then significantly more expensive than their competitors.  If you're saying you'd pay more for better-paid workers, why aren't you shopping at a place that pays workers better right now?
 
2013-07-26 06:31:18 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: max_pooper: Yes. It's no big secret that suppliers have special lower grade products runs just for Walmart to meet their demand on prices. The box may have the same name on it but often it is an inferior product.

As I pointed out, that's for some electronics. I've never noticed a difference in anything I've bought at a Walmart when compared to buying the same item at another store. I have shiat all over my house that's from Walmart, CVS, Target and other places and I couldn't pick out those that were bought at Walmart if I tried.

12349876: Popcorn Johnny: 12349876: You claim you only care about money and you're buying name brands?

I'm buying name brands cheaper.

Store brands are cheaper than any name brand anywhere.  You should be getting store brands or else you're taking quality into account not just price.


Publix has pretty good store-brand stuff.
 
2013-07-26 06:31:34 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Some of us take more than price into account like a shopping experience that isn't shiatty.  Wal Mart has gotten shiatty to the point where it's gotten worse than farking KMart.  And I'm saying this as someone who enjoyed Wal Mart 15 years ago.

Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.


I have a relatively nice one near my house.  All the other ones in town are fairly disgusting.  I assume the fact that the nice one isn't 24 hours has something to do with it.  There are certain weekly items we'll pick up there.  If it involves produce or meats, however, it's getting picked up at Publix.

/the south
 
2013-07-26 06:32:02 PM  

ghare: So just remember, your taxes subsidize Wal-Mart's profits. To think otherwise is ignoring reality.


I agree.  And my gripe is with the subsidies and the politicians who give them out.
 
2013-07-26 06:32:23 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: max_pooper: Yes. It's no big secret that suppliers have special lower grade products runs just for Walmart to meet their demand on prices. The box may have the same name on it but often it is an inferior product.

As I pointed out, that's for some electronics. I've never noticed a difference in anything I've bought at a Walmart when compared to buying the same item at another store. I have shiat all over my house that's from Walmart, CVS, Target and other places and I couldn't pick out those that were bought at Walmart if I tried.


There we have it, an expert in the field or ... well consumer goods I guess... has spoken!

/google "confirmation bias"
 
2013-07-26 06:34:10 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: peacheslatour: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

You would.

So do millions and millions of other people, because they can get more for their money there.

Shake your impotent fists of rage all you want, this is a fact.


They think they get more for their money there. However they neglect to take into account the portions of Wal-Mart's labor costs that are paid for through the consumers taxes supporting required safety net programs for the stores low wage workers.
 
2013-07-26 06:35:50 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Some of us take more than price into account like a shopping experience that isn't shiatty.  Wal Mart has gotten shiatty to the point where it's gotten worse than farking KMart.  And I'm saying this as someone who enjoyed Wal Mart 15 years ago.

Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.


Some of the walmarts local to me have gone rotating 6 month temp workers except for management.

11am and some shelves are bare.

That might be moar a local franchise thing tho.

I have on occasion shopped at wmart... I would say their quality is at/beyond the point of being worth the reduced prices.
 
2013-07-26 06:36:16 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: 12349876: Store brands are cheaper than any name brand anywhere.  You should be getting store brands or else you're taking quality into account not just price.

I never said I was only worried about money. I said I shop at Walmart because I can get what I want cheaper. I buy off brands for some things, and stick to name brands on others. I'm sure most people do the same.


And the same reasons you choose a name brand over a store brand is the same reason some of us choose to shop somewhere other than Wal Mart.
 
2013-07-26 06:36:37 PM  

12349876: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service

Wait, your can of Arrid deodorant, Irish Spring soap, Suave shampoo and Crest toothpaste are better than the ones I buy at Walmart? Better service, do they give you a hand job while waiting in line where you shop?

You claim you only care about money and you're buying name brands?


Hey hey hey now....Suave is cheap as nutz.
 
2013-07-26 06:36:39 PM  
Alphax:

Seems it's been many years since I heard that vendors wishing to get Walmart to carry their product were turned away if American labor was used, and told to get their products made in China.

About ten years ago, before I'd ever seen a Walmart, there was a documentary or something about some vendors trying to get their goods into the chain and what happened before, during, and after. Even leaving aside the way Walmart treats its employees now, what they were demanding of these mom and pop entrepreneurs was enough to make me swear off ever shopping at one. It was arm twisting to a horrific extent and, basically, for the right to sell their $5 or $20 crap at Walmart, the owners were basically asked to give up any notion of making a reasonable profit like they'd get any and everywhere else.

Really opened my eyes.
 
2013-07-26 06:37:00 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Some of us take more than price into account like a shopping experience that isn't shiatty.  Wal Mart has gotten shiatty to the point where it's gotten worse than farking KMart.  And I'm saying this as someone who enjoyed Wal Mart 15 years ago.

Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.


If you shop at WalMart and don't think it is shiatty, you are one of the "People of Walmart" that makes it shiatty for normal people to shop there.
 
2013-07-26 06:37:18 PM  

jst3p: There we have it, an expert in the field or ... well consumer goods I guess... has spoken!


I'm certainly more of an expert than people in this thread who say they don't shop there, but then claim to know the quality of the products they sell.
 
2013-07-26 06:38:19 PM  

12349876: And the same reasons you choose a name brand over a store brand is the same reason some of us choose to shop somewhere other than Wal Mart.


What?
 
2013-07-26 06:40:03 PM  
Kumbaya, Lord. Kumbaya.
 
2013-07-26 06:41:27 PM  
If Wal-Mart shuts down, those "People of Wal-Mart" will have to shop somewhere else.
 
2013-07-26 06:43:35 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: 12349876: And the same reasons you choose a name brand over a store brand is the same reason some of us choose to shop somewhere other than Wal Mart.

What?


He is saying walmart is a shiatty brand, not necessarily because of the products they sell but the way they conduct business and achieve higher profits by having their labor costs subsidized by tax payer programs that provide benefits to their employees. So some of us choose different brands.
 
2013-07-26 06:45:15 PM  
www.meijer.com


When it's cheaper at Target, I'll buy it there.
 
2013-07-26 06:45:26 PM  

Snarfangel: If Wal-Mart shuts down, those "People of Wal-Mart" will have to shop somewhere else.


They may, in time, be able to afford real clothes.
 
2013-07-26 06:45:29 PM  

OregonVet: Why not just raise minimum wage?


I know that sounds like a simple solution but it is not.  You raise minimum wage and the price of stuff goes up immediately.

Unfortunately in our current system where the corporations have everyone by the balls all that raising the minimum wage translates into is everyone making more than minimum wage earning less on a sliding scale.  So you were doing okay at 15 bucks an hour.  Look! minimum wage jumped to 10 bucks an hour and now you at 15 bucks an hour are spending 10-20% more for exactly the same needed products you bought before it jumped.  Raising minimum wage will not make you jump from 15 to 16-17 bucks an hour.  You will end up with less disposable income and will end up more likely needing assistance

They want to make this work we need to pass some sort of legislation that states:  If any employee of any company qualifies for government subsidies  the cost of those subsidies  will be returned by said company in full as a form of tax.

^  Doing something like that may allow capitalism to work while still being socialist enough to take into account the human element.  We currently let corporations trample all over the human element at the cost of 10 of billions a dollars yearly out of your pocket.
 
2013-07-26 06:47:58 PM  
White trash love them some Walmart!
 
2013-07-26 06:48:49 PM  
I enjoyed the part where he said the Walton family "controls" as much wealth as the lower 30 percent of all Americans.

Ha. Like that lower 30 percent has any wealth and in any way "controls" what money they do have.
 
2013-07-26 06:50:02 PM  

Kazrath: OregonVet: Why not just raise minimum wage?

I know that sounds like a simple solution but it is not.  You raise minimum wage and the price of stuff goes up immediately.

Unfortunately in our current system where the corporations have everyone by the balls all that raising the minimum wage translates into is everyone making more than minimum wage earning less on a sliding scale.  So you were doing okay at 15 bucks an hour.  Look! minimum wage jumped to 10 bucks an hour and now you at 15 bucks an hour are spending 10-20% more for exactly the same needed products you bought before it jumped.  Raising minimum wage will not make you jump from 15 to 16-17 bucks an hour.  You will end up with less disposable income and will end up more likely needing assistance

They want to make this work we need to pass some sort of legislation that states:  If any employee of any company qualifies for government subsidies  the cost of those subsidies  will be returned by said company in full as a form of tax.

^  Doing something like that may allow capitalism to work while still being socialist enough to take into account the human element.  We currently let corporations trample all over the human element at the cost of 10 of billions a dollars yearly out of your pocket.


How do you believe your tax idea is different from raising minimum wage?

Aside from adding a huge disincentive to hiring single moms, etc.
 
2013-07-26 06:52:44 PM  

CynicalLA: White trash love them some Walmart!


Internet sheep love to hate on some Walmart!
 
2013-07-26 06:53:31 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale,


Yeah, you sound pretty poor.
 
2013-07-26 06:55:14 PM  

Descartes: [www.meijer.com image 400x400]


When it's cheaper at Target, I'll buy it there.


It's cheaper to buy them fresh.  They taste better and are better for you.  They take less than 3 mins to cook.
 
2013-07-26 06:55:14 PM  
Alright, so I'm here to drop some anecdotal retorts in Tolstoy wall-o-text form. Take this all with a huge grain of salt if you will. Let me begin by clarifying that I'm a dirty hippy and a registered Democrat, voted for Fartbongo twice (three times if you include against Hillary) and continue to support the evil liberal agenda in non-presidential election years (I'm looking at you, lazy assholes that farked everything up in the Tea Tard wave of 2010). I'm certainly on the lower end of the economic scale, so I appreciate the lower prices at Wally World.

I also have family that work at Wal-Mart, one family member specifically. They get about $10.50-$11 an hour I believe, full time with health insurance and all after five years with the company. Right there, that is above the average wage this fine gentleman spoke of in his video, and that is only for a cashier. I don't know if living in Colorado is a part of that, but there you go. Full time, pay that's moderately above minimum wage, and the all powerful health insurance. Thanks to this healthcare, their significant other was recently able to retire comfortably after 35+ years with their own job. In my mind, that is a solid on Wal-Mart.

You've got the out-sourcing and Chinese stuff, right? Granted, we'd all like for things to be made in America, but we've got The Free Market and the Chinese make things real cheap. Here's the rub: where else are you going to go where they don't sell Chinese products? Seriously. Target? Ha! I challenge anyone to find a major box retailer that doesn't sell foreign made products, or only sells primarily American made products.

Secondly, I always hear this shiat about the people that shop at Wal-Mart. Yeah, the lower class does look awfully lower class, strange, isn't that? Maybe if they could afford better things, they'd shop in a higher-class environment. What a notion! The funny thing about this is that I mostly hear this from conservatives, from the people pulling the lever for folks like Mitt Romney. Gee, Republicans don't like to shop in the midst of poor folks? There is a darker side to this too, no pun intended, in that (at least here in the Denver area), Wal-Mart gets a reputation for having large amounts of Hispanics, specifically jerb-stealing Messicans that shop there. Those damned, dirty illegals with their anchor babies and food stamps. It never fails to surprise me to hear a card-carrying Republican looking down their nose at the "people that shop there" as a code word for Mexicans. The same people that criticize the patrons of Wal-Mart can usually be heard criticizing B. HUSSEIN 0bama in the next sentence. Again, all anecdotal, but there you go.

Here is the CSB part: I used to work at a Super Target. If you think that they treat their mostly part-time employees much better, you are sorely mistaken. The same positions in a Wal-Mart receive larger raises and better benefits in a much more timely manner, so Target is in fact (in my opinion) a worse employer than Wal-Mart. I offer this because they are most often compared to Wal-Mart as being superior. Following from what I said above about certain Conservatives disliking Wal-Mart, I have seen the same people speak very highly of Target. Target, based out of Minnesota, has given money to politicians in the past that oppose gay marriage, these politicians naturally being of the (R) persuasion. Target also donates more money to the Republican party as a whole, compared to Wal-Mart, which donates "equally" to both parties. In 2008, shortly before Barack Obama was elected, all of the employees in my Target were brought into the conference room throughout the following weeks to watch a video prepared by headquarters. In so many words, they described the "changes that may occur in the coming election in congress and government" and how all employees should be on the watch for talk of *gasp* UNIONIZING. The video described how even one employee signing up for the union could risk the entire store having to close, and anyone that spoke of unionizing to other employees was to be reported immediately and could face losing their barely above minimum wage job. All in all, Target was not a pleasant work experience. I offer much of this to my fellow Liberal-minded comrades: if you think that shopping at a place like Target over Wal-Mart is going to stick it to Republicans... sorry, you're doing much worse.

Finally, there is supposed to be a new Wal-Mart Supercenter constructed in my hometown. The city council recently approved this decision after huge amounts of public outcry against a Wal-Mart opening in the community, although chances are strong that it will become a ballot issue, whereupon Wally World will surely lose. The area where this Wal-Mart is supposed to be built has been in need of renovation since the 1980's, and no one else has shown interest in the area despite many attempts at coercing Target, Best-Buy, Kroger, Safeway, on and on... After Jan. 1st 2014, the existing strip malls and other structures will be bulldozed. If Wal-Mart is shot down by the public, nothing will be constructed; instead of an archaic, failing area losing business steadily, we will have nothing, at all. This is the best example of cutting off the nose to spite the face I can think off. At least Wal-Mart, as odious as that is for so many, will provide tax income as well as jobs, not to mention the other businesses it will attract to the area. Nope. Some people are still holding out on Barnes & Noble or some such other impossible thing to magically open a store, followed by trendy restaurants and coffee shops. Anything to avoid "that crowd" and stain the glorious shores of America with evil Chinese products that they will just buy somewhere else instead.

So.... yeah. End rant. If anyone actually read all of that, thanks. I'm just trying to say... Wal-Mart isn't all that bad. Yeah, it could be much better. I support some of the comments upthread about being willing to pay a little more to increase wages, and how laws need to be passed in order to get some more worker-friendly policies in place. But really, it's not all this evil horrible stuff you hear all the time.

/CSB Tolstoy over
 
2013-07-26 06:55:31 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


You can pick up Blackhawks Stanley Cup Champions merchandise at decent prices.
 
2013-07-26 06:57:10 PM  

ghare: Popcorn Johnny: max_pooper: Yes. It's no big secret that suppliers have special lower grade products runs just for Walmart to meet their demand on prices. The box may have the same name on it but often it is an inferior product.

As I pointed out, that's for some electronics. I've never noticed a difference in anything I've bought at a Walmart when compared to buying the same item at another store. I have shiat all over my house that's from Walmart, CVS, Target and other places and I couldn't pick out those that were bought at Walmart if I tried.
12349876: Popcorn Johnny: 12349876: You claim you only care about money and you're buying name brands?

I'm buying name brands cheaper.

Store brands are cheaper than any name brand anywhere.  You should be getting store brands or else you're taking quality into account not just price.

Publix has pretty good store-brand stuff.


I find Publix is often cheaper than Wal-Mart if you stick to the BOGO and sale items.  As long as I don't go in with a list of absolute items or brands I will buy, and buy the closest thing or whatever they have on sale, I come out ahead.  That might mean I use Old Spice antiperspirant one month and Right Guard the next, or buy Red Baron Breakfast Pizzas instead of Hot Pockets, but it works for me.

BMFPitt: ghare: So just remember, your taxes subsidize Wal-Mart's profits. To think otherwise is ignoring reality.

I agree.  And my gripe is with the subsidies and the politicians who give them out.


The subsidies aren't direct (well, Wal-Mart may be getting direct subsidies as well) but paying someone $8.50 an hour and keeping them at 30 hours a week so that you don't have to pay for their insurance means that they'll have to take advantage of the government safety net available to everyone just to make ends meet.

To me the best solution would be to just raise the national minimum wage to something around $15/hour and make employers contribute to healthcare costs for part time employees at a rate equal the percentage of a full time schedule they work (so if full time is 40 hours a week, and someone works 30 hours, that's 75% and Wal-Mart would have to contribute 75% of the amount towards healthcare costs to that person that would contribute to a full time employee).
 
2013-07-26 06:57:23 PM  
I'm surprised this hasn't been linked at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-o1fj1rX7A&list=PL8E709BB0E08AFD2F

I like how Wal Mart forces people into their stores.pushing other stores out of business.

/fugelsang really needs a cock punch
 
2013-07-26 07:00:24 PM  
They should shut the entire company down.  The people that work there will find jobs in all the Mom and Pop shops that will instantly spring up to fulfill the demand.  And of course Mom and Pop shops are much better employers than major corporations.  They are more friendly to the environment, they pay better, they have better health care, sell better products at better prices.  There is no downside.

/oh, it doesn't work that way?
 
2013-07-26 07:01:14 PM  

Gulper Eel: brainscab: Didn't current just sell to an arab country?

It was bought by Al-Jazeera, which will be shutting Current down and relaunching as Al-Jazeera America in less than one month.


God willing
 
2013-07-26 07:04:11 PM  

SkorzenyNinja: Alright, so I'm here to drop some anecdotal retorts in Tolstoy wall-o-text form. Take this all with a huge grain of salt if you will. Let me begin by clarifying that I'm a dirty hippy and a registered Democrat, voted for Fartbongo twice (three times if you include against Hillary) and continue to support the evil liberal agenda in non-presidential election years (I'm looking at you, lazy assholes that farked everything up in the Tea Tard wave of 2010). I'm certainly on the lower end of the economic scale, so I appreciate the lower prices at Wally World.

I also have family that work at Wal-Mart, one family member specifically. They get about $10.50-$11 an hour I believe, full time with health insurance and all after five years with the company. Right there, that is above the average wage this fine gentleman spoke of in his video, and that is only for a cashier. I don't know if living in Colorado is a part of that, but there you go. Full time, pay that's moderately above minimum wage, and the all powerful health insurance. Thanks to this healthcare, their significant other was recently able to retire comfortably after 35+ years with their own job. In my mind, that is a solid on Wal-Mart.


Does it take 5 years to get benefits?  That seems like an absurdly long amount of time.  Most reputable companies start full benefits at the hire date, or 30/60/90 days after hire.

Also, 5 years in and only $11 an hour?  That's not exactly something that people should be shooting for.
 
2013-07-26 07:04:27 PM  

Propain_az: They should shut the entire company down.  The people that work there will find jobs in all the Mom and Pop shops that will instantly spring up to fulfill the demand.  And of course Mom and Pop shops are much better employers than major corporations.  They are more friendly to the environment, they pay better, they have better health care, sell better products at better prices.  There is no downside.

/oh, it doesn't work that way?


You're right.  The Mom and Pop argument is the only reason people hate Wal Mart.

/oh, it doesn't work that way?
 
2013-07-26 07:04:39 PM  
the attacks on Walmart are severely misguided, as most other big-box retailers (and Amazon) are guilty of the same things that Walmart does.

I hear and see a lot of crying over Walmart killing off small businesses and stopping collective organization of workers, but almost never hear of complaints of the same against from by Target, Sears, Kmart, Macys, Best Buy, Staples, Home Depot, Lowes, Kohls, Family Dollar, Big Lots, Ikea, etc. All of them are guilty. And "killing" Walmart wouldn't solve it, as some other behemoth would come to take its place (as Walmart did to Sears Roebuck).
 
2013-07-26 07:06:33 PM  

Sudlow: I like how Wal Mart forces people into their stores.pushing other stores out of business.


Yeah, mom and pop stores weren't already a dying breed because of Target, Penny's, Sears, K-Mart, CVS, Walgreens, Office Depot, Office Max, Best Buy, Home Depot, Lowes, and countless other large retail chains. Walmart isn't doing anything different than anybody else, they're just doing it the best.
 
2013-07-26 07:11:15 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: SkorzenyNinja: Alright, so I'm here to drop some anecdotal retorts in Tolstoy wall-o-text form. Take this all with a huge grain of salt if you will. Let me begin by clarifying that I'm a dirty hippy and a registered Democrat, voted for Fartbongo twice (three times if you include against Hillary) and continue to support the evil liberal agenda in non-presidential election years (I'm looking at you, lazy assholes that farked everything up in the Tea Tard wave of 2010). I'm certainly on the lower end of the economic scale, so I appreciate the lower prices at Wally World.

I also have family that work at Wal-Mart, one family member specifically. They get about $10.50-$11 an hour I believe, full time with health insurance and all after five years with the company. Right there, that is above the average wage this fine gentleman spoke of in his video, and that is only for a cashier. I don't know if living in Colorado is a part of that, but there you go. Full time, pay that's moderately above minimum wage, and the all powerful health insurance. Thanks to this healthcare, their significant other was recently able to retire comfortably after 35+ years with their own job. In my mind, that is a solid on Wal-Mart.

Does it take 5 years to get benefits?  That seems like an absurdly long amount of time.  Most reputable companies start full benefits at the hire date, or 30/60/90 days after hire.

Also, 5 years in and only $11 an hour?  That's not exactly something that people should be shooting for.


Yep that's just about the poverty line for a family of 3.
 
2013-07-26 07:11:41 PM  

SkorzenyNinja: They get about $10.50-$11 an hour I believe, full time with health insurance and all after five years with the company.


It took 5 years to get to that point?  Sorry, but she got gypped.  I work in an inbound call center for a hotel chain, and our reps hit that point within 90 days.

/they start out full time at $10 an hour
//after 90 days, they get health insurance and a $0.50 raise
///and then they get performance bonuses on top of that
 
2013-07-26 07:12:19 PM  
TuteTibiImperes:

Does it take 5 years to get benefits?  That seems like an absurdly long amount of time.  Most reputable companies start full benefits at the hire date, or 30/60/90 days after hire.

No, I believe you are correct, they received their benefits in the first year, but not having worked at Wal-Mart, I can't give you specifics.

Also, 5 years in and only $11 an hour?  That's not exactly something that people should be shooting for.

I can, however, tell you that full-time employees constantly scoring "good" or "excellent" in all categories on yearly evaluations at Target, including pushing the despised Red Card on poor schmucks who had no farking clue what they were signing (don't take the 10% off for that farking thing) didn't fare any better. 18 cent raises, 25 cent raises, to the point where you start with $8.00 an hour and only make about $8.50-8.60 after more than three years with the company. All of this in the name of "oh, the economy isn't doing very well, sorry". Yeah, fark that shiat. I know what kind of profits this company makes.

I really do believe that Wal-Mart offers better raises to their employees than Target does, however this is all anecdotal. I know for certain that if you choose to work in one of these major box retailers, go for Costco. They really do treat their employees very well, from what I've heard.
 
2013-07-26 07:13:01 PM  

silvervial: Lackofname: I will say when I lived in NY and MD, I was happy to not be shopping at Walmart. But since I had to move back in with my parents in Tennessee, Walmart is really the only game around. Also since I can't drive I don't really get to choose where groceries are gotten.

This is actually how Walmart grew into such a powerhouse, enough to earn the praises of deluded shills like Debeo Summa Credo. They drive the competition out of town and end up being the only game around. This is pretty much the *opposite* of the kind of capitalism that people *think* we have.


They drive the competition out of town by offering better value.

If they really do offer shiattier products, a horrific shopping experience, and lousy value, as farklibs seem to believe, consumers will eventually move to other retailers, driving Walmart out of business.

Then we can share a toast. Me to the free markets working, as usual, and you all to the demise of the horrific and evil monstrosity known as Walmart.
 
2013-07-26 07:14:07 PM  

HeartBurnKid: SkorzenyNinja: They get about $10.50-$11 an hour I believe, full time with health insurance and all after five years with the company.

It took 5 years to get to that point?  Sorry, but she got gypped.  I work in an inbound call center for a hotel chain, and our reps hit that point within 90 days.

/they start out full time at $10 an hour
//after 90 days, they get health insurance and a $0.50 raise
///and then they get performance bonuses on top of that


Agreed, it's not great. That's not what I'm trying to say. I'm asking you to compare to other locations of the same nature: Target, Kroger, Safeway, etc. In that kind of job market, you take what you can get, and from what I've seen/heard it's usually starting in the $8.00 range, even full time.
 
2013-07-26 07:16:24 PM  

SkorzenyNinja: HeartBurnKid: SkorzenyNinja: They get about $10.50-$11 an hour I believe, full time with health insurance and all after five years with the company.

It took 5 years to get to that point?  Sorry, but she got gypped.  I work in an inbound call center for a hotel chain, and our reps hit that point within 90 days.

/they start out full time at $10 an hour
//after 90 days, they get health insurance and a $0.50 raise
///and then they get performance bonuses on top of that

Agreed, it's not great. That's not what I'm trying to say. I'm asking you to compare to other locations of the same nature: Target, Kroger, Safeway, etc. In that kind of job market, you take what you can get, and from what I've seen/heard it's usually starting in the $8.00 range, even full time.


Not sure how it is where you live, but the local versions of Kroger and Safeway where I live (Ralph's and Vons, respectively) are unionized and start new hires at, I believe, $11.00 per hour.
 
2013-07-26 07:19:29 PM  

HeartBurnKid: SkorzenyNinja: HeartBurnKid: SkorzenyNinja: They get about $10.50-$11 an hour I believe, full time with health insurance and all after five years with the company.

It took 5 years to get to that point?  Sorry, but she got gypped.  I work in an inbound call center for a hotel chain, and our reps hit that point within 90 days.

/they start out full time at $10 an hour
//after 90 days, they get health insurance and a $0.50 raise
///and then they get performance bonuses on top of that

Agreed, it's not great. That's not what I'm trying to say. I'm asking you to compare to other locations of the same nature: Target, Kroger, Safeway, etc. In that kind of job market, you take what you can get, and from what I've seen/heard it's usually starting in the $8.00 range, even full time.

Not sure how it is where you live, but the local versions of Kroger and Safeway where I live (Ralph's and Vons, respectively) are unionized and start new hires at, I believe, $11.00 per hour.


Yup, it is different here. Kroger and Safeway are unionized, but usually start right above minimum wage. I worked at King Soopers (Kroger) for a year in high school, and I started at about $7.19 I believe. I know someone that just got hired on as a deli clerk for Kroger and they are starting at $9.15. I recall cashiers making $9.13.
 
2013-07-26 07:19:39 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: silvervial: Lackofname: I will say when I lived in NY and MD, I was happy to not be shopping at Walmart. But since I had to move back in with my parents in Tennessee, Walmart is really the only game around. Also since I can't drive I don't really get to choose where groceries are gotten.

This is actually how Walmart grew into such a powerhouse, enough to earn the praises of deluded shills like Debeo Summa Credo. They drive the competition out of town and end up being the only game around. This is pretty much the *opposite* of the kind of capitalism that people *think* we have.

They drive the competition out of town by offering better value.

If they really do offer shiattier products, a horrific shopping experience, and lousy value, as farklibs seem to believe, consumers will eventually move to other retailers, driving Walmart out of business.

Then we can share a toast. Me to the free markets working, as usual, and you all to the demise of the horrific and evil monstrosity known as Walmart.


The point is that the consumers CAN'T "move on to other retailers" because THEY AREN'T AROUND ANYMORE!
 
2013-07-26 07:24:46 PM  
It really is amusing to see right-wingers shilling for corporations with big ties to the Chinese. I suppose hating Communists takes a back seat to pissing off the libs, eh?
 
2013-07-26 07:25:18 PM  

revrendjim: I heard (from a regional-level Wal-Mart manager) that some of their products have lower prices because they are lower quality, even if they are well-known national brands. Wal-Mart controls about a fourth of all the grocery business in the US and has so much leverage that they can demand lower prices from their suppliers, so the manufacturers run special batches just for Wal-Mart where they use inferior ingredients and cut corners any way they can.


Smells like bullshiat. A vendor is going to put their name on a shiattier quality product just for walmart? No chance.

Do you think the consumer is going to attribute the shiftiness of a, I don't know, Brinkmann grill to Walmart or are they going to tell their friends not to buy a Brinkmann grill?
 
2013-07-26 07:28:52 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Smells like bullshiat. A vendor is going to put their name on a shiattier quality product just for walmart? No chance.


This is documented fact.

http://www.cio.com/article/31948/Supply_Chain_Partnerships_How_Levi_s _ Got_Its_Jeans_into_Wal_Mart
 
2013-07-26 07:30:10 PM  

LordJiro: It really is amusing to see right-wingers shilling for corporations with big ties to the Chinese. I suppose hating Communists takes a back seat to pissing off the libs, eh?


What I like is all of the examples from them of how reality and capitalist theory don't line up and the conclusion that reality must be wrong.
 
2013-07-26 07:30:16 PM  
Damn you farkscripts, there were no spaces in that URL.
 
2013-07-26 07:30:29 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: They drive the competition out of town by offering better value.

If they really do offer shiattier products, a horrific shopping experience, and lousy value, as farklibs seem to believe, consumers will eventually move to other retailers, driving Walmart out of business.


Your naivete amuses me.
 
2013-07-26 07:31:09 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: meat0918: Wait, people still defend Wal-Mart?

I mean besides stock-holders?

Nah, the stock holders don't defend it. They just say "I got mine, Fark You!":


Yep. Wal-Mart wiped out competition wherever they could, from producer to wholesaler to distributor to retailer. They're the best possible example of naked capitalism you'll find on a large scale - they're happy to milk your entire country for all it's worth, if it means eking out a fractional increase in their profit margin.

And, yes, the idiots defending them are of the "fark you, got mine" ilk - they see a successful business, even as their stores dot landscapes devoid of competition, culture, or even society. They don't care how Wal-Mart got there - the fact that they got there is all that matters to them. They're the same folks that believe in prosperity gospel, that believe in the rich because they're rich, that oddly believe that they, too, have a chance at being rich, and conversely despise those unwilling or unable to lie, cheat, and steal their way to being rich.
 
2013-07-26 07:33:22 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Debeo Summa Credo: Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.

Let's see, the one in Stockton, California, is pretty damned disgusting. And the one in Anchorage, Alaska, requires a tetanus shot before you can leave the building... But, it's not the cleanliness that's the issue. Nor is it the decor (Costco has no decor and doesn't feel as shiatty as a WalMart). It's the thick film of desperation and poverty that permeates the buildings like some horrific miasma. Every time I've been in a WalMart I've felt like I needed a squeegee and a bath in acid to get the stink off of me.


Sounds like the one by me in the suburbs of St. Louis.

Even though I live in a fairly middle class suburb, it still has that thick film of desperation and poverty. It also doesn't help that it isn't a supercenter so Walmart doesn't bother to keep the store clean and fully staffed.

The main reason I don't shop there anymore unless I really have to is because the service there has become so godawful (because it's so understaffed) that I'm wasting an hour in line buying headphones that I could've gotten at Walgreen for a couple more bucks in less than 5 minutes.
 
2013-07-26 07:33:40 PM  

silvervial: Debeo Summa Credo: silvervial: Lackofname: I will say when I lived in NY and MD, I was happy to not be shopping at Walmart. But since I had to move back in with my parents in Tennessee, Walmart is really the only game around. Also since I can't drive I don't really get to choose where groceries are gotten.

This is actually how Walmart grew into such a powerhouse, enough to earn the praises of deluded shills like Debeo Summa Credo. They drive the competition out of town and end up being the only game around. This is pretty much the *opposite* of the kind of capitalism that people *think* we have.

They drive the competition out of town by offering better value.

If they really do offer shiattier products, a horrific shopping experience, and lousy value, as farklibs seem to believe, consumers will eventually move to other retailers, driving Walmart out of business.

Then we can share a toast. Me to the free markets working, as usual, and you all to the demise of the horrific and evil monstrosity known as Walmart.

The point is that the consumers CAN'T "move on to other retailers" because THEY AREN'T AROUND ANYMORE!


Laughable nonsense. 99% (wild estimate) of the country could go somewhere else to buy whatever they need. Maybe there are some rural areas where all the bad stories about Walmart are true. But in the vast, vast, majority of the country Walmart isn't anywhere close to a monopoly.

And if they did want to be a monopoly, by offering lower prices as they do, they are doing it wrong.
 
2013-07-26 07:35:49 PM  

Kazrath: You raise minimum wage and the price of stuff goes up immediately.


Anyone who condones this is a corporatist shill. The average CEO:worker pay ratio has gone from about 5:1 to 500:1 in the past 50 years. Their profits are higher and their taxes are lower than they've ever been. The idea that higher wages must come out of OUR pockets, not those of executives who are strangling their own companies, is indefensible. Still, conservatives have successfully created this big lie that capitalists are forces of nature, that their actions may not be opposed, and that any effort to ease the burden on the lower class actually HURTS them in the long run because the upper class have the power and influence to pass the buck.
 
2013-07-26 07:39:55 PM  

ghare: Oh, and I'd like to invite people who want to see Hell to experience the Wal-Mart on South Semoran in Orlando. I'm sure there are worse places, but the employees look damned.


There was a Super Target in Orlando that was like walking into Heaven.  The place was so clean the sparkle made my eyes hurt, everyone was nice to me, and folks kept offering me free food.
 
2013-07-26 07:40:59 PM  

SkorzenyNinja: I also have family that work at Wal-Mart, one family member specifically. They get about $10.50-$11 an hour I believe, full time with health insurance and all after five years with the company.


Setting aside the way that Wal-Mart is increasingly preventing staff from working full-time hours just so they can deny employees these kinds of benefits...I don't think a $22,000 a year job is the kind of thing that's going to strengthen the middle class.

It's bad for the employees, and even Forbes recognizes it's bad for business:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/04/17/walmart-pays-worker s- poorly-and-sinks-while-costco-pays-workers-well-and-sails-proof-that-y ou-get-what-you-pay-for/
 
2013-07-26 07:41:45 PM  

Bung_Howdy: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x267]


One and done. Unless I took it the wrong way. In that case, fark you, Jack/Frank.
 
2013-07-26 07:44:00 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: CynicalLA: White trash love them some Walmart!

Internet sheep love to hate on some Walmart!


I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).

People around here can be so farking stupid.
 
2013-07-26 07:46:43 PM  

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).


And if you'd understood anything you read, you'd see that everyone is mentioning the hidden price of shopping there, mainly via taxes to support Wal-Mart's poverty wages.

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: People around here can be so farking stupid.


Right back at ya.
 
2013-07-26 07:48:03 PM  

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Popcorn Johnny: CynicalLA: White trash love them some Walmart!

Internet sheep love to hate on some Walmart!

I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).

People around here can be so farking stupid.


And we're pointing out you'd have to be a dumbass to base every life decision based solely on the economical.  He himself even admitted so in saying he bought brand names.
 
2013-07-26 07:48:31 PM  
Look at it in terms of internet service providers. We've all seen what has happened in the last 20 years.

There used to be about 25 small ISPs when home internet started around 1995 (in my area). You could shop around and pick which one gave you the best service and price.

Now, the only, the ONLY, option for an ISP in my area is Comcast. They bought out or drove out of business all the small providers in less than 20 years, using various methods, and yes, one of those methods was price, in the beginning. Once the competition was gone, the rates have gone up and the service has gotten worse, and it's only going to get worse because they KNOW we have no other option.

And to provide competitive options will take another communications behemoth, because only they have the capital needed to put in their own lines, etc. A mom and pop ISP can't operate anymore. And the more rural you are, the fewer options you have, and that includes stores.
 
2013-07-26 07:49:17 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).

And if you'd understood anything you read, you'd see that everyone is mentioning the hidden price of shopping there, mainly via taxes to support Wal-Mart's poverty wages.

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: People around here can be so farking stupid.

Right back at ya.


Don't like subsidizing the workers? Cut the farking subsidy!!!

Its not walmarts fault. If Walmart wasnt around, we'd be paying even more to support these people, and every other poor person who now shops at Walmart would have a harder time making ends meet!
 
2013-07-26 07:51:15 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Sergeant Grumbles: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).

And if you'd understood anything you read, you'd see that everyone is mentioning the hidden price of shopping there, mainly via taxes to support Wal-Mart's poverty wages.

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: People around here can be so farking stupid.

Right back at ya.

Don't like subsidizing the workers? Cut the farking subsidy!!!

Its not walmarts fault. If Walmart wasnt around, we'd be paying even more to support these people, and every other poor person who now shops at Walmart would have a harder time making ends meet!


Yes, it's the WORKERS' fault Walmart refuses to pay them a decent wage!
 
2013-07-26 07:51:19 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Sergeant Grumbles: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).

And if you'd understood anything you read, you'd see that everyone is mentioning the hidden price of shopping there, mainly via taxes to support Wal-Mart's poverty wages.

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: People around here can be so farking stupid.

Right back at ya.

Don't like subsidizing the workers? Cut the farking subsidy!!!

Its not walmarts fault. If Walmart wasnt around, we'd be paying even more to support these people, and every other poor person who now shops at Walmart would have a harder time making ends meet!


How will cutting the subsidy help?
 
2013-07-26 07:51:33 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: And if you'd understood anything you read, you'd see that everyone is mentioning the hidden price of shopping there, mainly via taxes to support Wal-Mart's poverty wages.


So your taxes are lower at the end of the year because you don't shop at Walmart? Also, what's the additional tax burden on the average taxpayer and how does it compare to the savings they've had by shopping at Wally World?
 
2013-07-26 07:53:01 PM  
I have to admit, its pretty pitiful that one with a job still has to rely on welfare to survive.

/my two cents
 
2013-07-26 07:53:51 PM  

revrendjim: I heard (from a regional-level Wal-Mart manager) that some of their products have lower prices because they are lower quality, even if they are well-known national brands. Wal-Mart controls about a fourth of all the grocery business in the US and has so much leverage that they can demand lower prices from their suppliers, so the manufacturers run special batches just for Wal-Mart where they use inferior ingredients and cut corners any way they can.


I've heard that about firearms. Remington, Winchester, ad nauseum dump their seconds on WalMart. Never been confirmed though, IIRC.
 
2013-07-26 07:54:55 PM  

12349876: And we're pointing out you'd have to be a dumbass to base every life decision based solely on the economical.  He himself even admitted so in saying he bought brand names.


That line of reasoning still makes no farking sense.
 
2013-07-26 07:55:12 PM  
Walmart is truely the embodiment of the saying "you get what you pay for".

/shiatty products, shiatty Service, overall a miserable place to shop
 
2013-07-26 07:55:43 PM  

silvervial: Look at it in terms of internet service providers. We've all seen what has happened in the last 20 years.

There used to be about 25 small ISPs when home internet started around 1995 (in my area). You could shop around and pick which one gave you the best service and price.

Now, the only, the ONLY, option for an ISP in my area is Comcast. They bought out or drove out of business all the small providers in less than 20 years, using various methods, and yes, one of those methods was price, in the beginning. Once the competition was gone, the rates have gone up and the service has gotten worse, and it's only going to get worse because they KNOW we have no other option.

And to provide competitive options will take another communications behemoth, because only they have the capital needed to put in their own lines, etc. A mom and pop ISP can't operate anymore. And the more rural you are, the fewer options you have, and that includes stores.


It's not exactly the same thing.  In 1995 it was pretty much all dial-up, you called into a bank of modems at the ISP central location that was served by a high speed line that they purchased and linked you to the rest of the Internet.

When broadband started taking over the infrastructure costs drove the small time players out.  Comcast already owned the cable lines going to your house, so they were the ones who could offer the service.  Around here if you want cable internet Comcast is the only game in town, but if you are willing to deal with DSL you can go with CenturyLink, and if you want satellite broadband you can go with Dish or Hughesnet.  If you want dial up you can still get service through a couple companies.

Verizon and AT&T have been trying to compete by laying fiber to the home or fiber to the node in some areas, though it's mostly available only in heavily urbanized population centers and the areas immediately surrounding them for now.  Wireless broadband has potential, but we'll need a much more robust wireless infrastructure nationwide to take the load of both increasing phone data and data from what used to be handled through cable/DSL/whatever if we expect decent speeds without ridiculously small bandwidth caps.

I suppose the government could mandate line sharing so that other companies could use Comcast's network to offer their own service, but that never seems to have caught on.
 
2013-07-26 07:57:02 PM  

Mrtraveler01: How will cutting the subsidy help?


If you make life miserable enough for the poor they won't want to be poor anymore. Study it out.
 
2013-07-26 07:57:03 PM  

SkorzenyNinja: Alright, so I'm here to drop some anecdotal retorts in Tolstoy wall-o-text form. Take this all with a huge grain of salt if you will. Let me begin by clarifying that I'm a dirty hippy and a registered Democrat, voted for Fartbongo twice (three times if you include against Hillary) and continue to support the evil liberal agenda in non-presidential election years (I'm looking at you, lazy assholes that farked everything up in the Tea Tard wave of 2010). I'm certainly on the lower end of the economic scale, so I appreciate the lower prices at Wally World.

I also have family that work at Wal-Mart, one family member specifically. They get about $10.50-$11 an hour I believe, full time with health insurance and all after five years with the company. Right there, that is above the average wage this fine gentleman spoke of in his video, and that is only for a cashier. I don't know if living in Colorado is a part of that, but there you go. Full time, pay that's moderately above minimum wage, and the all powerful health insurance. Thanks to this healthcare, their significant other was recently able to retire comfortably after 35+ years with their own job. In my mind, that is a solid on Wal-Mart.

You've got the out-sourcing and Chinese stuff, right? Granted, we'd all like for things to be made in America, but we've got The Free Market and the Chinese make things real cheap. Here's the rub: where else are you going to go where they don't sell Chinese products? Seriously. Target? Ha! I challenge anyone to find a major box retailer that doesn't sell foreign made products, or only sells primarily American made products.

Secondly, I always hear this shiat about the people that shop at Wal-Mart. Yeah, the lower class does look awfully lower class, strange, isn't that? Maybe if they could afford better things, they'd shop in a higher-class environment. What a notion! The funny thing about this is that I mostly hear this from conservatives, from the people pulling the lever for folks like Mitt Romney. Gee, Republicans don't like to shop in the midst of poor folks? There is a darker side to this too, no pun intended, in that (at least here in the Denver area), Wal-Mart gets a reputation for having large amounts of Hispanics, specifically jerb-stealing Messicans that shop there. Those damned, dirty illegals with their anchor babies and food stamps. It never fails to surprise me to hear a card-carrying Republican looking down their nose at the "people that shop there" as a code word for Mexicans. The same people that criticize the patrons of Wal-Mart can usually be heard criticizing B. HUSSEIN 0bama in the next sentence. Again, all anecdotal, but there you go.

Here is the CSB part: I used to work at a Super Target. If you think that they treat their mostly part-time employees much better, you are sorely mistaken. The same positions in a Wal-Mart receive larger raises and better benefits in a much more timely manner, so Target is in fact (in my opinion) a worse employer than Wal-Mart. I offer this because they are most often compared to Wal-Mart as being superior. Following from what I said above about certain Conservatives disliking Wal-Mart, I have seen the same people speak very highly of Target. Target, based out of Minnesota, has given money to politicians in the past that oppose gay marriage, these politicians naturally being of the (R) persuasion. Target also donates more money to the Republican party as a whole, compared to Wal-Mart, which donates "equally" to both parties. In 2008, shortly before Barack Obama was elected, all of the employees in my Target were brought into the conference room throughout the following weeks to watch a video prepared by headquarters. In so many words, they described the "changes that may occur in the coming election in congress and government" and how all employees should be on the watch for talk of *gasp* UNIONIZING. The video described how even one employee signing up for the union could risk the entire store having to close, and anyone that spoke of unionizing to other employees was to be reported immediately and could face losing their barely above minimum wage job. All in all, Target was not a pleasant work experience. I offer much of this to my fellow Liberal-minded comrades: if you think that shopping at a place like Target over Wal-Mart is going to stick it to Republicans... sorry, you're doing much worse.

Finally, there is supposed to be a new Wal-Mart Supercenter constructed in my hometown. The city council recently approved this decision after huge amounts of public outcry against a Wal-Mart opening in the community, although chances are strong that it will become a ballot issue, whereupon Wally World will surely lose. The area where this Wal-Mart is supposed to be built has been in need of renovation since the 1980's, and no one else has shown interest in the area despite many attempts at coercing Target, Best-Buy, Kroger, Safeway, on and on... After Jan. 1st 2014, the existing strip malls and other structures will be bulldozed. If Wal-Mart is shot down by the public, nothing will be constructed; instead of an archaic, failing area losing business steadily, we will have nothing, at all. This is the best example of cutting off the nose to spite the face I can think off. At least Wal-Mart, as odious as that is for so many, will provide tax income as well as jobs, not to mention the other businesses it will attract to the area. Nope. Some people are still holding out on Barnes & Noble or some such other impossible thing to magically open a store, followed by trendy restaurants and coffee shops. Anything to avoid "that crowd" and stain the glorious shores of America with evil Chinese products that they will just buy somewhere else instead.

So.... yeah. End rant. If anyone actually read all of that, thanks. I'm just trying to say... Wal-Mart isn't all that bad. Yeah, it could be much better. I support some of the comments upthread about being willing to pay a little more to increase wages, and how laws need to be passed in order to get some more worker-friendly policies in place. But really, it's not all this evil horrible stuff you hear all the time.

/CSB Tolstoy over


I hate Wal Mart, but... Agreed.
 
2013-07-26 07:58:30 PM  

TheWhoppah: Walmart provides a 24 hour hotline for their employees... the hotline is staffed with social workers hired to arrange charity and public assistance for Walmart employees.  The hotline phone number is pasted in the employee break room and on little inserts that they put into the paycheck envelope.  Here is your pathetic paycheck and a phone number for the food pantry!


More than autozone, orileys, marshells, jc penny, kroger, target, or anyone else that pays min wage. .
 
2013-07-26 07:58:54 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Walmart is truely the embodiment of the saying "you get what you pay for".

/shiatty products, shiatty Service, overall a miserable place to shop


You never shop there but know all about their products, service and stores. Please explain.
 
2013-07-26 07:59:47 PM  

ghare: Popcorn Johnny: max_pooper: Yes. It's no big secret that suppliers have special lower grade products runs just for Walmart to meet their demand on prices. The box may have the same name on it but often it is an inferior product.

As I pointed out, that's for some electronics. I've never noticed a difference in anything I've bought at a Walmart when compared to buying the same item at another store. I have shiat all over my house that's from Walmart, CVS, Target and other places and I couldn't pick out those that were bought at Walmart if I tried.
12349876: Popcorn Johnny: 12349876: You claim you only care about money and you're buying name brands?

I'm buying name brands cheaper.

Store brands are cheaper than any name brand anywhere.  You should be getting store brands or else you're taking quality into account not just price.

Publix has pretty good store-brand stuff


I like Publix because it's barely more expensive than Wal Mart, it's privately run, the employees get stock based on the amount of time that they've worked there, they have good employees, they hire the mentally handicapped but able for certain small positions, and the eye-candy is nearly as good as Whole Foods.
 
2013-07-26 07:59:53 PM  

silvervial: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

I have never set foot in a Walmart and I don't even know where one is located in my vicinity.


Your 'specialness' is lame. If you don't want to shop there that's one thing, but don't try to convince us you don't even know where the nearest one is. That's like saying "I have a TV but never watch it and don't even know what room in my house it's in."

Which in your case may very well be true.
 
2013-07-26 08:00:01 PM  
I can't believe I've been eating Chinese grapes. Damn you Sam Walton.
 
2013-07-26 08:00:38 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Its not walmarts fault.


Yes, it is. No one is stopping them from paying their workers more, nor is it the government's fault for caring for it's poorest citizens. The blame lies squarely at the feet of Wal-Mart for abusing the situation.
 
2013-07-26 08:01:26 PM  

I Like Bread: Kazrath: You raise minimum wage and the price of stuff goes up immediately.

Anyone who condones this is a corporatist shill. The average CEO:worker pay ratio has gone from about 5:1 to 500:1 in the past 50 years. Their profits are higher and their taxes are lower than they've ever been. The idea that higher wages must come out of OUR pockets, not those of executives who are strangling their own companies, is indefensible. Still, conservatives have successfully created this big lie that capitalists are forces of nature, that their actions may not be opposed, and that any effort to ease the burden on the lower class actually HURTS them in the long run because the upper class have the power and influence to pass the buck.


Even though executive compensation is grossly out of proportion with what is deserved, you couldn't fund a minimum wage hike with their compensation.  It's not enough.
 
2013-07-26 08:01:59 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Selena Luna: Over time, it costs considerably more. When the only clothes I could afford were WalMart clothes, I was replacing them all the time. I can afford better clothes now and they last much longer. I realize this is an anecdote, but it's also the case with most of the crap. Your money doesn't go further there.

Most of what Walmart sells is the same as what you would find at any other store. There are some exceptions, especially with electronics where companies will make models specifically for Walmart so they can offer them at lower prices. As for consumables, brand name clothes and most other things, you're getting the same thing you would at other stores. Walmart is able to offer the items at a lower price because they buy in such bulk.


Bullshiat. Walmart is able to offer the items at a lower price because they have the leverage of being so big that they can tell their suppliers they're replaceable if they don't provide a product to them at a certain price. Which leads the suppliers to doing whatever it takes to cut prices, including making a less quality item in China instead of the US. Walmart is bad for the country, there is no other way around that.
 
2013-07-26 08:02:09 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


Me too.  Paying more for something just to say you're paying more for it is stupid.
 
2013-07-26 08:03:57 PM  

Lsherm: I Like Bread: Kazrath: You raise minimum wage and the price of stuff goes up immediately.

Anyone who condones this is a corporatist shill. The average CEO:worker pay ratio has gone from about 5:1 to 500:1 in the past 50 years. Their profits are higher and their taxes are lower than they've ever been. The idea that higher wages must come out of OUR pockets, not those of executives who are strangling their own companies, is indefensible. Still, conservatives have successfully created this big lie that capitalists are forces of nature, that their actions may not be opposed, and that any effort to ease the burden on the lower class actually HURTS them in the long run because the upper class have the power and influence to pass the buck.

Even though executive compensation is grossly out of proportion with what is deserved, you couldn't fund a minimum wage hike with their compensation.  It's not enough.


True, but companies could fund it out of current profits or shareholder dividends.  Or, they could pass the cost along to customers in the form of higher prices.  Prices would likely rise initially, but price wars and competition should bring them back down again.
 
2013-07-26 08:05:51 PM  

bbfreak: Bullshiat. Walmart is able to offer the items at a lower price because they have the leverage of being so big that they can tell their suppliers they're replaceable if they don't provide a product to them at a certain price. Which leads the suppliers to doing whatever it takes to cut prices, including making a less quality item in China instead of the US. Walmart is bad for the country, there is no other way around that.


Yes, Colgate has two toothpaste production lines. One for tubes going to Walmart and one for everywhere else.
 
2013-07-26 08:07:46 PM  

ghare: I'm sure you weren't aware that Wal-Mart does in fact sell watered-down versions of things like shampoo,


Care to back that up?
 
2013-07-26 08:09:24 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Mrtraveler01: Walmart is truely the embodiment of the saying "you get what you pay for".

/shiatty products, shiatty Service, overall a miserable place to shop

You never shop there but know all about their products, service and stores. Please explain.


There's a reason I hardly shop there anymore...
 
2013-07-26 08:10:16 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Yes, Colgate has two toothpaste production lines. One for tubes going to Walmart and one for everywhere else.


You're half right. Colgate has to change its formulas in order to meet Wal-Mart's demands.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/06/us-usa-consumer-walmart-id US TRE8250GM20120306

Companies often try to trim costs in ways that consumers will not notice. From 2007 to 2011, Colgate cut 36 percent of its formulas and 29 percent of the individual items it sells, or SKUs, according to Colgate-Palmolive Co (CL.N) Chief Executive Ian Cook. From 2008 until 2011, it reduced the number of fragrances it uses in various products by 26 percent.
This year, Colgate aims to trim another 5 percent of SKUs and fragrances and 3 percent more formulas, he said.
 
2013-07-26 08:10:24 PM  

John Buck 41: silvervial: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

I have never set foot in a Walmart and I don't even know where one is located in my vicinity.

Your 'specialness' is lame. If you don't want to shop there that's one thing, but don't try to convince us you don't even know where the nearest one is. That's like saying "I have a TV but never watch it and don't even know what room in my house it's in."

Which in your case may very well be true.


As I said, I have a 52 inch TV right in front of me as I speak, and I have never, in 30 years of driving around in this area, seen a Walmart. I am sure if I drove down into Oakland or San Francisco, I could find one, but why would I if I have no intention of shopping there? You take offense to my simple statement of fact as if you have some stake in Walmart. Are you a Walton?
 
2013-07-26 08:10:37 PM  

Mrtraveler01: There's a reason I hardly shop there anymore...


i53.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-26 08:11:52 PM  

silvervial: Lackofname: I will say when I lived in NY and MD, I was happy to not be shopping at Walmart. But since I had to move back in with my parents in Tennessee, Walmart is really the only game around. Also since I can't drive I don't really get to choose where groceries are gotten.

This is actually how Walmart grew into such a powerhouse, enough to earn the praises of deluded shills like Debeo Summa Credo. They drive the competition out of town and end up being the only game around. This is pretty much the *opposite* of the kind of capitalism that people *think* we have.


That's odd.  My local Walmart is directly across the street from a Meijer and both of them are consistently busy.  Options for products...capitalism at its best.

/And before I get a "you sound poor", it's in Grand Haven, MI.
//The Muskegon Walmart, on the other hand, could have its own peopleofwalmart site.  But even that is right next to a Sams Club.  Still competition.
 
2013-07-26 08:12:23 PM  

John Buck 41: ghare: I'm sure you weren't aware that Wal-Mart does in fact sell watered-down versions of things like shampoo,

Care to back that up?


There's this web site called Google. Ask a child, they'll show you how to use it.
 
2013-07-26 08:12:58 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Walmart is truely the embodiment of the saying "you get what you pay for".

/shiatty products, shiatty Service, overall a miserable place to shop


Totally agreed.  I avoid it as much as I can, half out of disgust at how shiatty they treat their workers and half out of disgust at the environment the way they treat their workers creates.
 
2013-07-26 08:13:03 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Ed Grubermann: Debeo Summa Credo: Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.

Let's see, the one in Stockton, California, is pretty damned disgusting. And the one in Anchorage, Alaska, requires a tetanus shot before you can leave the building... But, it's not the cleanliness that's the issue. Nor is it the decor (Costco has no decor and doesn't feel as shiatty as a WalMart). It's the thick film of desperation and poverty that permeates the buildings like some horrific miasma. Every time I've been in a WalMart I've felt like I needed a squeegee and a bath in acid to get the stink off of me.

Sounds like the one by me in the suburbs of St. Louis.

Even though I live in a fairly middle class suburb, it still has that thick film of desperation and poverty. It also doesn't help that it isn't a supercenter so Walmart doesn't bother to keep the store clean and fully staffed.

The main reason I don't shop there anymore unless I really have to is because the service there has become so godawful (because it's so understaffed) that I'm wasting an hour in line buying headphones that I could've gotten at Walgreen for a couple more bucks in less than 5 minutes.


Last time I tried to buy some cheap headphones at Wal Mart, all they had were those Beats Headphones for like $15. Not that that's a bank breaker, but that's not value-priced at all. They definitely have selective mark-up strategies.
 
2013-07-26 08:13:09 PM  
No one in this thread ever goes there ever.
 
2013-07-26 08:14:04 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Mrtraveler01: There's a reason I hardly shop there anymore...


What about that is so hard to comprehend?

Walmart used to be ok but the one by me went downhill quick over the past few years that I stopped going.
 
2013-07-26 08:14:32 PM  

silvervial: As I said, I have a 52 inch TV right in front of me as I speak, and I have never, in 30 years of driving around in this area, seen a Walmart.


What town do you live in?
 
2013-07-26 08:14:49 PM  

LL316: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

Me too.  Paying more for something just to say you're paying more for it is stupid.


If you think you can't beat Wal-Mart pricing, well, that's why you're a Wal-Mart customer.
 
2013-07-26 08:16:12 PM  

LL316: silvervial: Lackofname: I will say when I lived in NY and MD, I was happy to not be shopping at Walmart. But since I had to move back in with my parents in Tennessee, Walmart is really the only game around. Also since I can't drive I don't really get to choose where groceries are gotten.

This is actually how Walmart grew into such a powerhouse, enough to earn the praises of deluded shills like Debeo Summa Credo. They drive the competition out of town and end up being the only game around. This is pretty much the *opposite* of the kind of capitalism that people *think* we have.

That's odd.  My local Walmart is directly across the street from a Meijer and both of them are consistently busy.  Options for products...capitalism at its best.

/And before I get a "you sound poor", it's in Grand Haven, MI.
//The Muskegon Walmart, on the other hand, could have its own peopleofwalmart site.  But even that is right next to a Sams Club.  Still competition.


You know that Sam's Club is Walmarts volume store right?
 
2013-07-26 08:17:25 PM  

R.A.Danny: No one in this thread ever goes there ever.


What are you talking about? You and all of the rest of the normal FOX/Rush contingent are in here talking the place up. Read the thread.

Hell, I've been in there. Which is why I try to avoid it. But once you get out into flyover country, it's frequently just the only game in town.
 
2013-07-26 08:17:55 PM  

snowshovel: Until they can sell a blu-ray player $20, I say screw the mom-and-pops. I don't know how they expect to sell an electronic gizmo for $100 thwt break down every 6 months.


Because the $100 player doesn't break down after six months?
 
2013-07-26 08:18:08 PM  

ghare: If you think you can't beat Wal-Mart pricing, well, that's why you're a Wal-Mart customer.


Sure there are sales at other stores on items that will beat Walmart's prices, but are you really going to drive to 15 different stores to get the things you need?
 
2013-07-26 08:21:02 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Its not walmarts fault.


www.trilobite.org

It very much is WalMart's fault they do everything they can o avoid paying their employees a living wage. And this is after they've driven the stores that did pay a living wage out of business.
 
2013-07-26 08:21:31 PM  

Fart_Machine: Mrtraveler01: How will cutting the subsidy help?

If you make life miserable enough for the poor they won't want to be poor anymore. Study it out.


So bring back child labor and a lack of safety/environmental regulations eh?
 
2013-07-26 08:22:22 PM  

Cobblestone Flag: Mrtraveler01: Ed Grubermann: Debeo Summa Credo: Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.

Let's see, the one in Stockton, California, is pretty damned disgusting. And the one in Anchorage, Alaska, requires a tetanus shot before you can leave the building... But, it's not the cleanliness that's the issue. Nor is it the decor (Costco has no decor and doesn't feel as shiatty as a WalMart). It's the thick film of desperation and poverty that permeates the buildings like some horrific miasma. Every time I've been in a WalMart I've felt like I needed a squeegee and a bath in acid to get the stink off of me.

Sounds like the one by me in the suburbs of St. Louis.

Even though I live in a fairly middle class suburb, it still has that thick film of desperation and poverty. It also doesn't help that it isn't a supercenter so Walmart doesn't bother to keep the store clean and fully staffed.

The main reason I don't shop there anymore unless I really have to is because the service there has become so godawful (because it's so understaffed) that I'm wasting an hour in line buying headphones that I could've gotten at Walgreen for a couple more bucks in less than 5 minutes.

Last time I tried to buy some cheap headphones at Wal Mart, all they had were those Beats Headphones for like $15. Not that that's a bank breaker, but that's not value-priced at all. They definitely have selective mark-up strategies.


True...I think the cheapo earbuds I get are about the same price at WM as they are at Walgreens if not cheaper.
 
2013-07-26 08:23:26 PM  

Sim Tree: Because the $100 player doesn't break down after six months?


Lets see, I have a Canon printer, LG shelf stereo, Dyson vac and a few other plug in items and have never had a problem. As a matter of fact, I've never had to return a product to Walmart for being defective.
 
2013-07-26 08:24:36 PM  

bbfreak: Fart_Machine: Mrtraveler01: How will cutting the subsidy help?

If you make life miserable enough for the poor they won't want to be poor anymore. Study it out.

So bring back child labor and a lack of safety/environmental regulations eh?


Why do you hate the good old days?
 
2013-07-26 08:24:56 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Popcorn Johnny: Yes, Colgate has two toothpaste production lines. One for tubes going to Walmart and one for everywhere else.

You're half right. Colgate has to change its formulas in order to meet Wal-Mart's demands.


And now no one makes a toothpaste I can stand. Thanks a pantload, WalMart.
 
2013-07-26 08:27:26 PM  

R.A.Danny: No one in this thread ever goes there ever.


in NYC, Walmart has repeatedly been denied an operating license. going out of the city to a wal-mart makes no sense.

I'm not a fan of walmart, but they should be allowed in NYC. Nearly every other big-box retail chain is here. keeping walmart out, especially after letting Target and Kohls in, is really stupid.
 
2013-07-26 08:28:44 PM  

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Popcorn Johnny: CynicalLA: White trash love them some Walmart!

Internet sheep love to hate on some Walmart!

I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).

People around here can be so farking stupid.


I feel for people in that position... mostly because Wal-Marts are (by the math) only cheaper for the first three years they are in a town... after that, the local inflation at wal-marts exceeds average inflation... Basically, they put stuff on sale until they run local businesses and nearby competitors out, then they jack up prices to cover the earlier losses, so it ends up being more expensive (and more profitable) in the long run. Though I empathize with the short term savings (having been poor at times myself), in the long-run, shopping at wal-mart both increases your costs, and screws the local businesses. I certainly wouldn't demonize their shoppers though... I mean Wal-Mart has built an empire focused around information asymmetry, whether we're talking about the conditions their products are made in, or their pricing structures... they're winning a war against the people they're preying on, and I certainly wouldn't demonize the very people who are hurt by that information asymmetry.
 
2013-07-26 08:29:27 PM  

dumbobruni: Kohls


You want to talk about some shady business practices, they're among the worst. They overprice everything they sell and then constantly have everything marked at a discount so people think they're getting a deal.
 
2013-07-26 08:31:12 PM  
Walmart stays in business because it sells cheap crap while the average American's wages are in decline. We had a choice back in the early 90's we could have high wages and expensive american made merchandise or we could have low wages and crap foreign made goods. Multinational corporations rigged our laws and trade agreements via lobbying to produce the latter. So we never got to have the debate or make the choice as a country,
 
2013-07-26 08:32:02 PM  

firefly212: Basically, they put stuff on sale until they run local businesses and nearby competitors out, then they jack up prices to cover the earlier losses, so it ends up being more expensive (and more profitable) in the long run.


This thread is full of more crazy theories than the Zimmerman threads.
 
2013-07-26 08:32:55 PM  

dumbobruni: the attacks on Walmart are severely misguided, as most other big-box retailers (and Amazon) are guilty of the same things that Walmart does.

I hear and see a lot of crying over Walmart killing off small businesses and stopping collective organization of workers, but almost never hear of complaints of the same against from by Target, Sears, Kmart, Macys, Best Buy, Staples, Home Depot, Lowes, Kohls, Family Dollar, Big Lots, Ikea, etc. All of them are guilty. And "killing" Walmart wouldn't solve it, as some other behemoth would come to take its place (as Walmart did to Sears Roebuck).


Smartest post in this thread by far
 
2013-07-26 08:40:17 PM  

silvervial: John Buck 41: silvervial: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

I have never set foot in a Walmart and I don't even know where one is located in my vicinity.

Your 'specialness' is lame. If you don't want to shop there that's one thing, but don't try to convince us you don't even know where the nearest one is. That's like saying "I have a TV but never watch it and don't even know what room in my house it's in."

Which in your case may very well be true.

As I said, I have a 52 inch TV right in front of me as I speak, and I have never, in 30 years of driving around in this area, seen a Walmart. I am sure if I drove down into Oakland or San Francisco, I could find one, but why would I if I have no intention of shopping there? You take offense to my simple statement of fact as if you have some stake in Walmart. Are you a Walton?


Nope. I can count on one hand the times I go there in a year. I just find the hate foolish.
 
2013-07-26 08:40:22 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).

And if you'd understood anything you read, you'd see that everyone is mentioning the hidden price of shopping there, mainly via taxes to support Wal-Mart's poverty wages.

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: People around here can be so farking stupid.

Right back at ya.


I understood everything that I read.  And I'm not disputing it.  I'm saying it's stupid that everyone is piling on Popcorn Johnny because he said he shopped there (in a douchey way, admittedly).  Not to mention, him not shopping there doesn't change the hidden cost to him.  With the way things are right now, it's cheaper to shop there.  His taxes will be the same either way.  It would take hundreds of thousands to change their shopping habits to change that.

I'm not supporting Wal Mart in any way.  Their business practices disgust me, but talking down to someone just because they shop there is ridiculous.

12349876: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Popcorn Johnny: CynicalLA: White trash love them some Walmart!

Internet sheep love to hate on some Walmart!

I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).

People around here can be so farking stupid.

And we're pointing out you'd have to be a dumbass to base every life decision based solely on the economical.  He himself even admitted so in saying he bought brand names.


I'm not saying it's right to base every life decision solely on the economical.  He buys brand names cheaper at Wal Mart than anywhere else.  He's not being stupid at all.
 
2013-07-26 08:41:27 PM  

ghare: John Buck 41: ghare: I'm sure you weren't aware that Wal-Mart does in fact sell watered-down versions of things like shampoo,

Care to back that up?

There's this web site called Google. Ask a child, they'll show you how to use it.


Well you're no goddamn help. Thanks for nothing.
 
2013-07-26 08:41:57 PM  
I'm liking his right wing dumb guy. Funny stuff.  "Shut up you job creator hater! Benghazi!"
 
2013-07-26 08:44:46 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: ghare: If you think you can't beat Wal-Mart pricing, well, that's why you're a Wal-Mart customer.

Sure there are sales at other stores on items that will beat Walmart's prices, but are you really going to drive to 15 different stores to get the things you need?


Like idiots driving across town 20 minutes to save a nickel on a gallon of gas.
 
2013-07-26 08:45:38 PM  

Lsherm: I Like Bread: Kazrath: You raise minimum wage and the price of stuff goes up immediately.

Anyone who condones this is a corporatist shill. The average CEO:worker pay ratio has gone from about 5:1 to 500:1 in the past 50 years. Their profits are higher and their taxes are lower than they've ever been. The idea that higher wages must come out of OUR pockets, not those of executives who are strangling their own companies, is indefensible. Still, conservatives have successfully created this big lie that capitalists are forces of nature, that their actions may not be opposed, and that any effort to ease the burden on the lower class actually HURTS them in the long run because the upper class have the power and influence to pass the buck.

Even though executive compensation is grossly out of proportion with what is deserved, you couldn't fund a minimum wage hike with their compensation.  It's not enough.


I guess that depends on your opinion of "what is deserved". Do you deserve to be a millionaire after a lifetime of hard work? Sure, why not. But as the video states, the net worth of the Walton name is around $69B, which is the yearly earnings of the entire lower 1/3rd of the population.
 
2013-07-26 08:46:20 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Popcorn Johnny: Yes, Colgate has two toothpaste production lines. One for tubes going to Walmart and one for everywhere else.

You're half right. Colgate has to change its formulas in order to meet Wal-Mart's demands.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/06/us-usa-consumer-walmart-id US TRE8250GM20120306

Companies often try to trim costs in ways that consumers will not notice. From 2007 to 2011, Colgate cut 36 percent of its formulas and 29 percent of the individual items it sells, or SKUs, according to Colgate-Palmolive Co (CL.N) Chief Executive Ian Cook. From 2008 until 2011, it reduced the number of fragrances it uses in various products by 26 percent.
This year, Colgate aims to trim another 5 percent of SKUs and fragrances and 3 percent more formulas, he said.


Okay, that's farked up.  I assumed that with furniture, clothing, etc. that it was a lower quality at Wal Mart, but with health products? Wow.
 
2013-07-26 08:46:47 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Debeo Summa Credo: Its not walmarts fault.

[www.trilobite.org image 440x500]

It very much is WalMart's fault they do everything they can o avoid paying their employees a living wage. And this is after they've driven the stores that did pay a living wage out of business.


Do you really think Ed's Hardware or Joe's Market paid their employees a higher wage than Walmart? Really?
 
2013-07-26 08:48:56 PM  
Apparently, hundreds of millions of shoppers are ignoring the message.

It's a free country.  Go to Whole Foods and mix with the elite, or shop with the poor people at Wal-Mart.  I like mixing with the latter myself.
 
2013-07-26 08:50:25 PM  

dumbobruni: the attacks on Walmart are severely misguided, as most other big-box retailers (and Amazon) are guilty of the same things that Walmart does.

I hear and see a lot of crying over Walmart killing off small businesses and stopping collective organization of workers, but almost never hear of complaints of the same against from by Target, Sears, Kmart, Macys, Best Buy, Staples, Home Depot, Lowes, Kohls, Family Dollar, Big Lots, Ikea, etc. All of them are guilty. And "killing" Walmart wouldn't solve it, as some other behemoth would come to take its place (as Walmart did to Sears Roebuck).


Walmart gets the most grief because Walmart is the biggest employee in the US, and by far the most powerful retailer in the US. They have had a serious effect on our economy, simply because by demanding lower prices from their suppliers that means more jobs have gone overseas. Less manufacturing jobs, and overall less money going into local communities. No doubt others are just as bad, but Walmart gives it competitors little choice but to do the same to stay competitive.
 
2013-07-26 08:50:33 PM  
Target has hotter women shopping. That's my reason to not go to Walmart.
 
2013-07-26 08:50:56 PM  

firefly212: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Popcorn Johnny: CynicalLA: White trash love them some Walmart!

Internet sheep love to hate on some Walmart!

I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).

People around here can be so farking stupid.

I feel for people in that position... mostly because Wal-Marts are (by the math) only cheaper for the first three years they are in a town... after that, the local inflation at wal-marts exceeds average inflation... Basically, they put stuff on sale until they run local businesses and nearby competitors out, then they jack up prices to cover the earlier losses, so it ends up being more expensive (and more profitable) in the long run. Though I empathize with the short term savings (having been poor at times myself), in the long-run, shopping at wal-mart both increases your costs, and screws the local businesses. I certainly wouldn't demonize their shoppers though... I mean Wal-Mart has built an empire focused around information asymmetry, whether we're talking about the conditions their products are made in, or their pricing structures... they're winning a war against the people they're preying on, and I certainly wouldn't demonize the very people who are hurt by that information asymmetry.


See, now this is something I agree with, rather than the rabid hyperbole that seems to normally get thrown out.
 
2013-07-26 08:55:04 PM  
Walmart is awesome.  The exact same products I'd buy elsewhere, for less money - that's a no-brainer.  If you don't like it, shop elsewhere.

With a few exceptions, most of the opposition to Walmart is either political (anti-free trade left) or fronting ("I pay extra for my invisible clothing because I'm morally enlightened").
 
2013-07-26 08:55:18 PM  
Er, employer. Not employee. Bleh.
 
2013-07-26 08:56:49 PM  

Captain Dan: Walmart is awesome.  The exact same products I'd buy elsewhere, for less money - that's a no-brainer.  If you don't like it, shop elsewhere.

With a few exceptions, most of the opposition to Walmart is either political (anti-free trade left) or fronting ("I pay extra for my invisible clothing because I'm morally enlightened").


So you like the fact that your tax dollars are going towards subsiding Walmart employees eh?
 
2013-07-26 08:57:39 PM  

bbfreak: So you like the fact that your tax dollars are going towards subsiding Walmart employees eh?


No, of course not.  I'd rather not subsidize anyone's health care.
 
2013-07-26 08:58:01 PM  
bp2.blogger.com
 
2013-07-26 09:03:13 PM  
What to say ? 1 word for each- Why do you hate america ?
 
2013-07-26 09:05:25 PM  

Captain Dan: Walmart is awesome.  The exact same products I'd buy elsewhere, for less money - that's a no-brainer.  If you don't like it, shop elsewhere.

With a few exceptions, most of the opposition to Walmart is either political (anti-free trade left) or fronting ("I pay extra for my invisible clothing because I'm morally enlightened").


Or, y'know, "Their service is shiat, their business practices are shiat, and they treat their employees like shiat."
 
2013-07-26 09:09:28 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Debeo Summa Credo: Smells like bullshiat. A vendor is going to put their name on a shiattier quality product just for walmart? No chance.

This is documented fact.

http://www.cio.com/article/31948/Supply_Chain_Partnerships_How_Levi_s _ Got_Its_Jeans_into_Wal_Mart


He is wrong about everything, as usual.
 
2013-07-26 09:10:29 PM  

LarryDan43: Target has hotter women shopping. That's my reason to not go to Walmart.


Checking out too, don't know why but this has been my experience.
 
2013-07-26 09:21:41 PM  

LordJiro: Or, y'know, "Their service is shiat, their business practices are shiat, and they treat their employees like shiat."


1. I've never had a problem with their service.  What service problems have you had?  (Did you complain to a manager or supervisor?  How was your complaint resolved?)

2. Which business practices are you upset about?  Specifically, not "they're greedy and furthermore capitalism."

3. How specifically do they treat their employees "like shiat"?
 
2013-07-26 09:22:14 PM  
Costco, which has very loyal and happy employees who are paid well above the average for retail, for comparison:  Stock price - 10 yrs ago:  $31, today's close $116  (375% return on investment)

WalMart - with shoddy stores, unhappy employees and a pay and benefits package that barely beats out some 3rd world nations:  Stock price-  10 yrs ago $55, today's close $78 (141% ROI)


Which business model seems to be the most successful?  Paying your employees such a crap wage that you tend to draw the worst dregs of the employee market to man your stores; or providing a pay and benefits package that leads to having one of the highest employee retention and job satisfaction rates in retail?

How can the "geniuses" that run WalMart not see what is plain on its face?  More importantly, how can someone analyzing the retail market place looking for a place to buy some stock, not see that Costco provides close to 3 times the ROI than WalMart?
 
2013-07-26 09:26:50 PM  

jst3p: LarryDan43: Target has hotter women shopping. That's my reason to not go to Walmart.

Checking out too, don't know why but this has been my experience.


It is strange. We have a Target across the street from a Wally-mart and the MILFs do tend to go to Target. I think they cater more to the ladies than wally-mart but the price points are similar. There are watered down versions of TVs (Panasonic and sony are guilty of this) and watered down brand name clothing as well but target somehow makes their clothing lines acceptable to middle class people.
 
2013-07-26 09:27:05 PM  

rev. dave: I will still shop there if the price is 30% more.  Especially if the workers are better treated.


You just described Costco's business plan. Which leads to the question, why aren't you shopping there instead?
 
2013-07-26 09:28:44 PM  
Just going to leave this here:

Penn & Teller on Walmart
 
2013-07-26 09:31:06 PM  

lawboy87: Costco, which has very loyal and happy employees who are paid well above the average for retail, for comparison:  Stock price - 10 yrs ago:  $31, today's close $116  (375% return on investment)

WalMart - with shoddy stores, unhappy employees and a pay and benefits package that barely beats out some 3rd world nations:  Stock price-  10 yrs ago $55, today's close $78 (141% ROI)


Which business model seems to be the most successful?  Paying your employees such a crap wage that you tend to draw the worst dregs of the employee market to man your stores; or providing a pay and benefits package that leads to having one of the highest employee retention and job satisfaction rates in retail?

How can the "geniuses" that run WalMart not see what is plain on its face?  More importantly, how can someone analyzing the retail market place looking for a place to buy some stock, not see that Costco provides close to 3 times the ROI than WalMart?


You don't know if there was split, what the dividend return was etc. WMT is part of the Dow Jones Costco isn't this means more diluted shares outstanding. Costco could have bought back treasury stock etc. This is a poor comparison.
 
2013-07-26 09:31:06 PM  

Captain Dan: LordJiro: Or, y'know, "Their service is shiat, their business practices are shiat, and they treat their employees like shiat."

1. I've never had a problem with their service.  What service problems have you had?  (Did you complain to a manager or supervisor?  How was your complaint resolved?)

Recently? None, because I stopped shopping at that dump long ago, after I had to repeatedly wait ages for service (if it ever arrived) at various counters because the store was understaffed to save money.

2. Which business practices are you upset about?  Specifically, not "they're greedy and furthermore capitalism."
How about selling lower-quality versions of name-brand items? And weaseling out of giving their employees any sort of benefits?

3. How specifically do they treat their employees "like shiat"?

See above. Also, there are quite a few stories around the internet of such things.
 
2013-07-26 09:32:14 PM  

Captain Dan: LordJiro: Or, y'know, "Their service is shiat, their business practices are shiat, and they treat their employees like shiat."

1. I've never had a problem with their service.  What service problems have you had?  (Did you complain to a manager or supervisor?  How was your complaint resolved?)


Every grocery cart that I've ever tried to use there has had a bum wheel.  While they have 22 checkout lines, they never seem to have more than four or five open.  There are a lot of screaming kids running around (maybe not something Wal-Mart can control, but I don't notice the same thing at Target or Publix, so it makes me less likely to go to Wal-Mart).  The parking lot is always overcrowded with tons of discarded carts laying around.
 
2013-07-26 09:33:34 PM  

Selena Luna: Debeo Summa Credo: peacheslatour: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

You would.

So do millions and millions of other people, because they can get more for their money there.

Shake your impotent fists of rage all you want, this is a fact.

Over time, it costs considerably more. When the only clothes I could afford were WalMart clothes, I was replacing them all the time. I can afford better clothes now and they last much longer. I realize this is an anecdote, but it's also the case with most of the crap. Your money doesn't go further there.


Remember, cost is money x time. Which costs less, really: Something that you pay $400 for that lasts six months, or something you pay $600 for that lasts 2 years?
 
2013-07-26 09:38:03 PM  

Captain Dan: Walmart is awesome.  The exact same products I'd buy elsewhere, for less money - that's a no-brainer.  If you don't like it, shop elsewhere.


Except they're usually not. Even the brand-names are far shoddier than they would be elsewhere.

That's the trick to another promo they have: "If you find a lower price on the same item in another store, we'll match it!" ...except even if you find that lower price, you'll find out that it's not "really" the exact same item. "See, that's model 121J, while we carry model 121JW, a model exclusive to Wal-Mart stores!" ...and made with cheaper materials and/or comes with less stuff.
 
2013-07-26 09:41:50 PM  

lawboy87: Costco, which has very loyal and happy employees who are paid well above the average for retail, for comparison:  Stock price - 10 yrs ago:  $31, today's close $116  (375% return on investment)

WalMart - with shoddy stores, unhappy employees and a pay and benefits package that barely beats out some 3rd world nations:  Stock price-  10 yrs ago $55, today's close $78 (141% ROI)


Which business model seems to be the most successful?  Paying your employees such a crap wage that you tend to draw the worst dregs of the employee market to man your stores; or providing a pay and benefits package that leads to having one of the highest employee retention and job satisfaction rates in retail?

How can the "geniuses" that run WalMart not see what is plain on its face?  More importantly, how can someone analyzing the retail market place looking for a place to buy some stock, not see that Costco provides close to 3 times the ROI than WalMart?





Oh look, it's that durrrrtard that compares Costco to Walmart instead of SAMs club.....
 
2013-07-26 09:42:43 PM  
The only thing I buy at Walmart is ammo.  The ammo is made in America, and there's no way Walmart makes money with their prices on ammunition, given the amount of hassle and payroll they have to focus on that particular merchandise.
 
2013-07-26 09:45:27 PM  

Captain Dan: Walmart is awesome.  The exact same products I'd buy elsewhere, for less money - that's a no-brainer.  If you don't like it, shop elsewhere.


Shoprite is cheaper or groceries, target is cheaper for clothes and electronics. Most people just think walmart is cheaper.
 
2013-07-26 09:46:07 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Captain Dan: LordJiro: Or, y'know, "Their service is shiat, their business practices are shiat, and they treat their employees like shiat."

1. I've never had a problem with their service.  What service problems have you had?  (Did you complain to a manager or supervisor?  How was your complaint resolved?)

Every grocery cart that I've ever tried to use there has had a bum wheel.  While they have 22 checkout lines, they never seem to have more than four or five open.  There are a lot of screaming kids running around (maybe not something Wal-Mart can control, but I don't notice the same thing at Target or Publix, so it makes me less likely to go to Wal-Mart).  The parking lot is always overcrowded with tons of discarded carts laying around.


Sounds exactly like the WM by me.

The thing that got me was that they took out the self-checkout stands and replaced them with more regular checkout stands that are rarely open.
 
2013-07-26 09:46:48 PM  
not sure if this has been posted already, but it always gives me a laugh.


www.motivationals.org
 
2013-07-26 09:48:35 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: dumbobruni: Kohls

You want to talk about some shady business practices, they're among the worst. They overprice everything they sell and then constantly have everything marked at a discount so people think they're getting a deal.


This has to be the first time i've agreed with you on pretty much anything.
 
2013-07-26 09:51:11 PM  
Walmart is the functional microeconomic version of the housing bubble.
Same effect but on a different scale, slower but much deeper and damaging.
 
2013-07-26 09:51:18 PM  
Is it possible to not use Walmart because I feel the onus of responsibility is on the consumer?

A corporation is a soulless legal entity that exists to maximize utility for its owners (just like a union). It has no political views and no ethical restrictions and will consider all available options to maximize utility. If Walmart thought that it could make more money by closing the stores and building cruise ships, it would do so. If Walmart thought it could get away with paying labor a cheaper rate, it would do so. And if Walmart thought that it could improve business by giving billions of dollars away to save the rain forest charities, it would also do so. The only ways to control a corporation are through consumption and through the government (both of which required informed citizenry - a major no-no).

I don't agree with Walmart's stance on labor rights and blatant abuse of economies of scale, so I don't use them.

/Filthy liberal socialist
 
2013-07-26 09:52:14 PM  

Almost Everybody Poops: Popcorn Johnny: dumbobruni: Kohls

You want to talk about some shady business practices, they're among the worst. They overprice everything they sell and then constantly have everything marked at a discount so people think they're getting a deal.

This has to be the first time i've agreed with you on pretty much anything.


Now the question is, is he bringing it up because he legitimately gives a shiat, or because he appears to be advertising for Wal*Mart and Kohls is competition?
 
2013-07-26 09:53:24 PM  

firefly212: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Popcorn Johnny: CynicalLA: White trash love them some Walmart!

Internet sheep love to hate on some Walmart!

I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).

People around here can be so farking stupid.

I feel for people in that position... mostly because Wal-Marts are (by the math) only cheaper for the first three years they are in a town... after that, the local inflation at wal-marts exceeds average inflation... Basically, they put stuff on sale until they run local businesses and nearby competitors out, then they jack up prices to cover the earlier losses, so it ends up being more expensive (and more profitable) in the long run. Though I empathize with the short term savings (having been poor at times myself), in the long-run, shopping at wal-mart both increases your costs, and screws the local businesses. I certainly wouldn't demonize their shoppers though... I mean Wal-Mart has built an empire focused around information asymmetry, whether we're talking about the conditions their products are made in, or their pricing structures... they're winning a war against the people they're preying on, and I certainly wouldn't demonize the very people who are hurt by that information asymmetry.


You're an econ PhD if I remember correctly. Do you have citations for this? I teach undergrad econ and usually want to say stuff like this, but I'm not sure how to back it up.
 
2013-07-26 09:56:44 PM  
Maidens Wal-Marts I have rescued on the internet:  countless
Maidens Wal-Marts that have rewarded me with sex:  0
 
2013-07-26 10:00:55 PM  
Oh goodie, Current is now criticizing companies in the US that provides millions of jobs, supports millions of jobs of suppliers  and has stock that is owned by unions and teachers and little ol ladies
 
2013-07-26 10:02:45 PM  

muddythinker: Apparently, hundreds of millions of shoppers are ignoring the message.

It's a free country.  Go to Whole Foods and mix with the elite, or shop with the poor people at Wal-Mart.  I like mixing with the latter myself.


This is the part where we call the left "elitist" for standing up for the common man as we throw our weight behind the fat cats shipping jobs to third-world sweatshops, I see.

/do most of my grocery shopping at WinCo.
//just as cheap as Wal-Mart, and employee owned.
 
2013-07-26 10:02:56 PM  

gnosis301: Maidens Wal-Marts I have rescued on the internet:  countless
Maidens Wal-Marts that have rewarded me with sex:  0


I'd hit Funny, if I wasn't on mobile Fark.
 
2013-07-26 10:06:17 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Sergeant Grumbles: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).

And if you'd understood anything you read, you'd see that everyone is mentioning the hidden price of shopping there, mainly via taxes to support Wal-Mart's poverty wages.

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: People around here can be so farking stupid.

Right back at ya.

Don't like subsidizing the workers? Cut the farking subsidy!!!

Its not walmarts fault. If Walmart wasnt around, we'd be paying even more to support these people, and every other poor person who now shops at Walmart would have a harder time making ends meet!


Sounds good. Anyone employed for more than 1 hour per week either directly or through contract by a company with more than 5000 employees is not eligible for any sort of government funded social assistance.

Write your congress and and senator today.
 
2013-07-26 10:06:52 PM  

HeartBurnKid: muddythinker: Apparently, hundreds of millions of shoppers are ignoring the message.

It's a free country.  Go to Whole Foods and mix with the elite, or shop with the poor people at Wal-Mart.  I like mixing with the latter myself.

This is the part where we call the left "elitist" for standing up for the common man as we throw our weight behind the fat cats shipping jobs to third-world sweatshops, I see.

/do most of my grocery shopping at WinCo.
//just as cheap as Wal-Mart, and employee owned.


Aldi and Woodman's.  Aldi pays their people decent wages, and Woodman's is employee owned.  Also better food and prices, and a far, far wider selection (at Woodman's).

Why you would go grocery shopping at a Walmart or Target is beyond me....
 
2013-07-26 10:17:05 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self


Because prices for the consumer are the only thing that matter in a global economy where wages have now become a commodity. I'm glad you were able to share how awesome it is to save three cents on the dollar so that we can show the third world (and pampered American labor) how worthless it is in the grand scheme of things.

I, like you, prefer lower priced goods in favor of lower wages. It's God's plan, dontcha know.
 
2013-07-26 10:22:21 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Also, 5 years in and only $11 an hour?  That's not exactly something that people should be shooting for.


A job at WalMart is not a lofty career ambition?  You don't say!
 
2013-07-26 10:22:57 PM  

IlGreven: Except they're usually not. Even the brand-names are far shoddier than they would be elsewhere.


Most of my excursions to Walmart are specifically for cheap items, e.g. things that I won't mind breaking, or for groceries, which are often 25% less than any of the other nearby grocery stores.
 
2013-07-26 10:24:01 PM  

muddythinker: Apparently, hundreds of millions of shoppers are ignoring the message.

It's a free country.  Go to Whole Foods and mix with the elite, or shop with the poor people at Wal-Mart.  I like mixing with the latter myself.


Well, that isn't saying much. >.> Grownups 2 was also thought to be more worth seeing than Pacific Rim even though Grownups 2 got a score of 10 percent on Rotten Tomatoes. Shockingly, American consumers are idiots. You get what you pay for.
 
2013-07-26 10:24:04 PM  

Fark It: HeartBurnKid: muddythinker: Apparently, hundreds of millions of shoppers are ignoring the message.

It's a free country.  Go to Whole Foods and mix with the elite, or shop with the poor people at Wal-Mart.  I like mixing with the latter myself.

This is the part where we call the left "elitist" for standing up for the common man as we throw our weight behind the fat cats shipping jobs to third-world sweatshops, I see.

/do most of my grocery shopping at WinCo.
//just as cheap as Wal-Mart, and employee owned.

Aldi and Woodman's.  Aldi pays their people decent wages, and Woodman's is employee owned.  Also better food and prices, and a far, far wider selection (at Woodman's).

Why you would go grocery shopping at a Walmart or Target is beyond me....


I quit going to Wal-Mart for groceries a few years ago when I started to realize that the prices at the Albertson's that was was closer to my the house I lived in were the same on pretty much everything, and they had better produce and meat than I could find at Wal Mart, all without the aggravation of standing in a 10 deep line like I would be at Wally World. Seriously, I challenge those that shop at Wal Mart for everything to really sit down and do a price comparison between WM and some other store, and you'll find your saving very little, if you are saving at all.

After that, I started looking at other things. Tools, etc can be purchased from my local or regional chain hardware store for not much more than I would pay at WMT, but the quality of the tool is better. When I needed a water pump for the swamp cooler, I found a more powerful pump with a one year warranty at the local plumbing/HVAC store that came with a one year warranty for the same price that WMT wanted for a less powerful, more cheaply made one with a 60 day warranty...the list goes on and on.

I am not a well off guy. Far from it, in fact. I save wherever I can, and I've found that Wal Mart, most times, does not save me any money at all, and costs me a lot of of aggravation every time I do need to go there.
 
2013-07-26 10:26:13 PM  

bbfreak: Captain Dan: Walmart is awesome.  The exact same products I'd buy elsewhere, for less money - that's a no-brainer.  If you don't like it, shop elsewhere.

With a few exceptions, most of the opposition to Walmart is either political (anti-free trade left) or fronting ("I pay extra for my invisible clothing because I'm morally enlightened").

So you like the fact that your tax dollars are going towards subsiding Walmart employees eh?


If he is, his beef is with politicians and voters who enact these subsidies, not Walmart.

Don't like giving people handouts with tax dollars? Then don't.
 
2013-07-26 10:30:30 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: BMFPitt: I came to refute the derp, but then it was a video so fark that until someone makes a list.

No derp, just facts like Wal-Mart drives local businesses out of business and despite record profits still pays so little that in many states Wal-Mart employees are the largest group on public assistance.  Just getting the message out there that the low prices you pay have a hidden cost in your tax dollars because Wal-Mart won't pay enough for employees to live without government funded assistance.


If they're out competed, they're out competed. Good riddance to inefficient business!
 
2013-07-26 10:33:11 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Is it possible to not use Walmart because I feel the onus of responsibility is on the consumer?

A corporation is a soulless legal entity that exists to maximize utility for its owners (just like a union). It has no political views and no ethical restrictions and will consider all available options to maximize utility. If Walmart thought that it could make more money by closing the stores and building cruise ships, it would do so. If Walmart thought it could get away with paying labor a cheaper rate, it would do so. And if Walmart thought that it could improve business by giving billions of dollars away to save the rain forest charities, it would also do so. The only ways to control a corporation are through consumption and through the government (both of which required informed citizenry - a major no-no).

I don't agree with Walmart's stance on labor rights and blatant abuse of economies of scale, so I don't use them.

/Filthy liberal socialist


I'm okay with this. Everyone should follow your example: don't like Walmart? Don't shop there.

I'll go because those near me arent nearly as bad as they apparently are in other parts of the country, and they have good prices on basic staples.
 
2013-07-26 10:35:06 PM  

muddythinker: Apparently, hundreds of millions of shoppers are ignoring the message.

It's a free country.  Go to Whole Foods and mix with the elite, or shop with the poor people at Wal-Mart.  I like mixing with the latter myself.


There are a lot of white trash in this country and Walmart seems to be their favorite place.  I'll shop where it doesn't smell.  I'm lucky and tons of different choices.
 
2013-07-26 10:36:57 PM  

Msol: firefly212: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Popcorn Johnny: CynicalLA: White trash love them some Walmart!

Internet sheep love to hate on some Walmart!

I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).

People around here can be so farking stupid.

I feel for people in that position... mostly because Wal-Marts are (by the math) only cheaper for the first three years they are in a town... after that, the local inflation at wal-marts exceeds average inflation... Basically, they put stuff on sale until they run local businesses and nearby competitors out, then they jack up prices to cover the earlier losses, so it ends up being more expensive (and more profitable) in the long run. Though I empathize with the short term savings (having been poor at times myself), in the long-run, shopping at wal-mart both increases your costs, and screws the local businesses. I certainly wouldn't demonize their shoppers though... I mean Wal-Mart has built an empire focused around information asymmetry, whether we're talking about the conditions their products are made in, or their pricing structures... they're winning a war against the people they're preying on, and I certainly wouldn't demonize the very people who are hurt by that information asymmetry.

You're an econ PhD if I remember correctly. Do you have citations for this? I teach undergrad econ and usually want to say stuff like this, but I'm not sure how to back it up.


http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.3982/ECTA6649/abstract

There are a few out there, the one I like was written in 2004, but I can't for the life of me find it (just wrapping up a 13 hour day, so my brain isn't all here).
 
2013-07-26 10:39:44 PM  
Follow up-

Joe Stiglitz was the one who wrote the study I liked best, but I'm so friggin burned out tonight... Borderlands, then bed.
 
2013-07-26 10:44:36 PM  

wotthefark: jst3p: LarryDan43: Target has hotter women shopping. That's my reason to not go to Walmart.

Checking out too, don't know why but this has been my experience.

It is strange. We have a Target across the street from a Wally-mart and the MILFs do tend to go to Target. I think they cater more to the ladies than wally-mart but the price points are similar. There are watered down versions of TVs (Panasonic and sony are guilty of this) and watered down brand name clothing as well but target somehow makes their clothing lines acceptable to middle class people.


Their stores are clean, they keep enough registers open so you can get out easily, basically same price as Wal-Mart. Why not shop at the more pleasant place?
 
2013-07-26 10:47:12 PM  

DORMAMU: Debeo Summa Credo: 12349876: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Some of us take more than price into account like a shopping experience that isn't shiatty.  Wal Mart has gotten shiatty to the point where it's gotten worse than farking KMart.  And I'm saying this as someone who enjoyed Wal Mart 15 years ago.

Where are all these shiatty walmarts? I've been into maybe half a dozen, in the northeast, and they've all been fine. It's not farking nordstroms but it always seems reasonably clean and organized.

Some of the walmarts local to me have gone rotating 6 month temp workers except for management.

11am and some shelves are bare.

That might be moar a local franchise thing tho.

I have on occasion shopped at wmart... I would say their quality is at/beyond the point of being worth the reduced prices.


no. that's wal marts "remix" real time sticking strategy. theoretically, no stock kept in stores, it should be arriving on trucks just as you need it.

/ worked for Wal-Mart when this was implemented. disaster for a lot of reasons, yet they keep farking that chicken.
 
2013-07-26 10:47:17 PM  

ghare: Oh, and I'd like to invite people who want to see Hell to experience the Wal-Mart on South Semoran in Orlando. I'm sure there are worse places, but the employees look damned.


Try the MetroWest Wal-Mart off Kirkman. It's one of the newer Wal-Marts and already sucks.
 
2013-07-26 10:49:13 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: bbfreak: Captain Dan: Walmart is awesome.  The exact same products I'd buy elsewhere, for less money - that's a no-brainer.  If you don't like it, shop elsewhere.

With a few exceptions, most of the opposition to Walmart is either political (anti-free trade left) or fronting ("I pay extra for my invisible clothing because I'm morally enlightened").

So you like the fact that your tax dollars are going towards subsiding Walmart employees eh?

If he is, his beef is with politicians and voters who enact these subsidies, not Walmart.

Don't like giving people handouts with tax dollars? Then don't.


Or Walmart could, y'know, pay a living wage and not stiff employees on hours so they don't have to pay benefits, so the employees wouldn't NEED subsidies. But nope, Profit uber alles.
 
2013-07-26 10:49:26 PM  

tbhouston: lawboy87: Costco, which has very loyal and happy employees who are paid well above the average for retail, for comparison:  Stock price - 10 yrs ago:  $31, today's close $116  (375% return on investment)

WalMart - with shoddy stores, unhappy employees and a pay and benefits package that barely beats out some 3rd world nations:  Stock price-  10 yrs ago $55, today's close $78 (141% ROI)


Which business model seems to be the most successful?  Paying your employees such a crap wage that you tend to draw the worst dregs of the employee market to man your stores; or providing a pay and benefits package that leads to having one of the highest employee retention and job satisfaction rates in retail?

How can the "geniuses" that run WalMart not see what is plain on its face?  More importantly, how can someone analyzing the retail market place looking for a place to buy some stock, not see that Costco provides close to 3 times the ROI than WalMart?

Oh look, it's that durrrrtard that compares Costco to Walmart instead of SAMs club.....


Oh, you wanna compare Sam's Club? Okay, we'll compare Sam's Club.
4.bp.blogspot.com
What's your comeback now?

 
2013-07-26 10:51:49 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: bbfreak: Captain Dan: Walmart is awesome.  The exact same products I'd buy elsewhere, for less money - that's a no-brainer.  If you don't like it, shop elsewhere.

With a few exceptions, most of the opposition to Walmart is either political (anti-free trade left) or fronting ("I pay extra for my invisible clothing because I'm morally enlightened").

So you like the fact that your tax dollars are going towards subsiding Walmart employees eh?

If he is, his beef is with politicians and voters who enact these subsidies, not Walmart.

Don't like giving people handouts with tax dollars? Then don't.


Well for the record I am not against a social safety net, but I believe that there being opportunities for the poor and uneducated (IE: Not having a college degree) decreases the need for such a safety net. So far if you don't go to college your choices are retail/food service and maybe something better if you can get it, or the military. Assuming you can pay for college, and assuming you can get those businesses like Walmart and its ilk to give you a flexible schedule so you can go to school.

I am against having an underclass of society that can barely afford to earn a living in a year, its good for no-one. Its not good for the economy, its not good for our society, and the idea that its OK because yay capitalism is bullshiat. What does all of this have to do with Walmart? Its the biggest employer in the US, and its business policy towards its employees sets the standard.
 
2013-07-26 10:52:14 PM  
George Zimmerman shops at Walmart - Fact.
 
2013-07-26 10:55:03 PM  

Descartes: When it's cheaper at Target, I'll buy it there.


If you're buying canned green beans instead of frozen or fresh you already fail at food budgeting.*

Enjoy your 'beetus and hypertension.

/* unless you are stocking an emergency food pantry for hurricanes or earthquakes. Throw in a can or two of Spam while you're at it.
 
2013-07-26 10:58:14 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Is it possible to not use Walmart because I feel the onus of responsibility is on the consumer?

A corporation is a soulless legal entity that exists to maximize utility for its owners (just like a union). It has no political views and no ethical restrictions and will consider all available options to maximize utility. If Walmart thought that it could make more money by closing the stores and building cruise ships, it would do so. If Walmart thought it could get away with paying labor a cheaper rate, it would do so. And if Walmart thought that it could improve business by giving billions of dollars away to save the rain forest charities, it would also do so. The only ways to control a corporation are through consumption and through the government (both of which required informed citizenry - a major no-no).

I don't agree with Walmart's stance on labor rights and blatant abuse of economies of scale, so I don't use them.

/Filthy liberal socialist

I'm okay with this. Everyone should follow your example: don't like Walmart? Don't shop there.

I'll go because those near me arent nearly as bad as they apparently are in other parts of the country, and they have good prices on basic staples.


You go because you believe that the highest ideal anyone can strive for is to make profits for a large corporation.
 
2013-07-26 10:59:30 PM  

LordJiro: Debeo Summa Credo: bbfreak: Captain Dan: Walmart is awesome.  The exact same products I'd buy elsewhere, for less money - that's a no-brainer.  If you don't like it, shop elsewhere.

With a few exceptions, most of the opposition to Walmart is either political (anti-free trade left) or fronting ("I pay extra for my invisible clothing because I'm morally enlightened").

So you like the fact that your tax dollars are going towards subsiding Walmart employees eh?

If he is, his beef is with politicians and voters who enact these subsidies, not Walmart.

Don't like giving people handouts with tax dollars? Then don't.

Or Walmart could, y'know, pay a living wage and not stiff employees on hours so they don't have to pay benefits, so the employees wouldn't NEED subsidies. But nope, Profit uber alles.


Sort of like how the call center for training people about Obamacare are not providing health care to employees?
 
2013-07-26 11:04:45 PM  

IlGreven: Selena Luna: Debeo Summa Credo: peacheslatour: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

You would.

So do millions and millions of other people, because they can get more for their money there.

Shake your impotent fists of rage all you want, this is a fact.

Over time, it costs considerably more. When the only clothes I could afford were WalMart clothes, I was replacing them all the time. I can afford better clothes now and they last much longer. I realize this is an anecdote, but it's also the case with most of the crap. Your money doesn't go further there.

Remember, cost is money x time. Which costs less, really: Something that you pay $400 for that lasts six months, or something you pay $600 for that lasts 2 years?


I thought that's what I was saying... Were you telling the other guy to remember this?
 
2013-07-26 11:05:31 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Debeo Summa Credo: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Is it possible to not use Walmart because I feel the onus of responsibility is on the consumer?

A corporation is a soulless legal entity that exists to maximize utility for its owners (just like a union). It has no political views and no ethical restrictions and will consider all available options to maximize utility. If Walmart thought that it could make more money by closing the stores and building cruise ships, it would do so. If Walmart thought it could get away with paying labor a cheaper rate, it would do so. And if Walmart thought that it could improve business by giving billions of dollars away to save the rain forest charities, it would also do so. The only ways to control a corporation are through consumption and through the government (both of which required informed citizenry - a major no-no).

I don't agree with Walmart's stance on labor rights and blatant abuse of economies of scale, so I don't use them.

/Filthy liberal socialist

I'm okay with this. Everyone should follow your example: don't like Walmart? Don't shop there.

I'll go because those near me arent nearly as bad as they apparently are in other parts of the country, and they have good prices on basic staples.

You go because you believe that the highest ideal anyone can strive for is to make profits for a large corporation.


Would it be better if they had low profits so the  shareholders, like all the unions, pensions, and people who have 401ks or any investments got screwed?

That is what you want?
 
2013-07-26 11:06:10 PM  
Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.
 
2013-07-26 11:09:22 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Philip Francis Queeg: Debeo Summa Credo: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Is it possible to not use Walmart because I feel the onus of responsibility is on the consumer?

A corporation is a soulless legal entity that exists to maximize utility for its owners (just like a union). It has no political views and no ethical restrictions and will consider all available options to maximize utility. If Walmart thought that it could make more money by closing the stores and building cruise ships, it would do so. If Walmart thought it could get away with paying labor a cheaper rate, it would do so. And if Walmart thought that it could improve business by giving billions of dollars away to save the rain forest charities, it would also do so. The only ways to control a corporation are through consumption and through the government (both of which required informed citizenry - a major no-no).

I don't agree with Walmart's stance on labor rights and blatant abuse of economies of scale, so I don't use them.

/Filthy liberal socialist

I'm okay with this. Everyone should follow your example: don't like Walmart? Don't shop there.

I'll go because those near me arent nearly as bad as they apparently are in other parts of the country, and they have good prices on basic staples.

You go because you believe that the highest ideal anyone can strive for is to make profits for a large corporation.

Would it be better if they had low profits so the  shareholders, like all the unions, pensions, and people who have 401ks or any investments got screwed?

That is what you want?


When was the last time you demanded to make less so that there shareholders would do better?
 
2013-07-26 11:10:10 PM  

meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.


You claim that, why?
 
2013-07-26 11:11:16 PM  

Fark It: HeartBurnKid: muddythinker: Apparently, hundreds of millions of shoppers are ignoring the message.

It's a free country.  Go to Whole Foods and mix with the elite, or shop with the poor people at Wal-Mart.  I like mixing with the latter myself.

This is the part where we call the left "elitist" for standing up for the common man as we throw our weight behind the fat cats shipping jobs to third-world sweatshops, I see.

/do most of my grocery shopping at WinCo.
//just as cheap as Wal-Mart, and employee owned.

Aldi and Woodman's.  Aldi pays their people decent wages, and Woodman's is employee owned.  Also better food and prices, and a far, far wider selection (at Woodman's).

Why you would go grocery shopping at a Walmart or Target is beyond me....


Woodman's owner is a gigantic asshole.  Just sayin'.

/It's still my favorite grocery store.
 
2013-07-26 11:13:36 PM  

meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.


Nope.
 
2013-07-26 11:14:45 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


Yeah...you sure showed us by being trashy and pathetic. We lose I guess.
 
2013-07-26 11:16:02 PM  

meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.


You'd be right if not for the fact that you're entirely wrong.
 
2013-07-26 11:17:29 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: tenpoundsofcheese: Philip Francis Queeg: Debeo Summa Credo: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Is it possible to not use Walmart because I feel the onus of responsibility is on the consumer?

A corporation is a soulless legal entity that exists to maximize utility for its owners (just like a union). It has no political views and no ethical restrictions and will consider all available options to maximize utility. If Walmart thought that it could make more money by closing the stores and building cruise ships, it would do so. If Walmart thought it could get away with paying labor a cheaper rate, it would do so. And if Walmart thought that it could improve business by giving billions of dollars away to save the rain forest charities, it would also do so. The only ways to control a corporation are through consumption and through the government (both of which required informed citizenry - a major no-no).

I don't agree with Walmart's stance on labor rights and blatant abuse of economies of scale, so I don't use them.

/Filthy liberal socialist

I'm okay with this. Everyone should follow your example: don't like Walmart? Don't shop there.

I'll go because those near me arent nearly as bad as they apparently are in other parts of the country, and they have good prices on basic staples.

You go because you believe that the highest ideal anyone can strive for is to make profits for a large corporation.

Would it be better if they had low profits so the  shareholders, like all the unions, pensions, and people who have 401ks or any investments got screwed?

That is what you want?

When was the last time you demanded to make less so that there shareholders would do better?



Wow, did you throw out your back trying that twisted logic?

There is a world of difference between having an agreement with a company (wages/work) and whining that corporations are making profits.
 
2013-07-26 11:19:49 PM  
You either own Walmart or you work at Walmart.

/the future
 
2013-07-26 11:21:21 PM  

LordJiro: Captain Dan: Walmart is awesome.  The exact same products I'd buy elsewhere, for less money - that's a no-brainer.  If you don't like it, shop elsewhere.

With a few exceptions, most of the opposition to Walmart is either political (anti-free trade left) or fronting ("I pay extra for my invisible clothing because I'm morally enlightened").

Or, y'know, "Their service is shiat, their business practices are shiat, and they treat their employees like shiat."


Well said, but forgot "everyone who shops there is responsible for increasing the tax liability for the rest of us". On top of farking the manufacturing sector. These dumb sh*ts don't realize that they are likely doing more financial harm than good, even to their individual pocketbooks (especially if they are in the already economically farked segment that ironically tends to favor shopping there).
 
2013-07-26 11:29:26 PM  

COMALite J: tbhouston: lawboy87: Costco, which has very loyal and happy employees who are paid well above the average for retail, for comparison:  Stock price - 10 yrs ago:  $31, today's close $116  (375% return on investment)

WalMart - with shoddy stores, unhappy employees and a pay and benefits package that barely beats out some 3rd world nations:  Stock price-  10 yrs ago $55, today's close $78 (141% ROI)


Which business model seems to be the most successful?  Paying your employees such a crap wage that you tend to draw the worst dregs of the employee market to man your stores; or providing a pay and benefits package that leads to having one of the highest employee retention and job satisfaction rates in retail?

How can the "geniuses" that run WalMart not see what is plain on its face?  More importantly, how can someone analyzing the retail market place looking for a place to buy some stock, not see that Costco provides close to 3 times the ROI than WalMart?

Oh look, it's that durrrrtard that compares Costco to Walmart instead of SAMs club.....

Oh, you wanna compare Sam's Club? Okay, we'll compare Sam's Club.
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What's your comeback now?


Walmart does not report financial data for Sam's club except year-to-year sales.

Weird that you chart would exclude the Earnings Per Share of the two companies.  Ya know the thing that investors actually care about.
  Walmart's Earnings Per Share is much higher than Costco. (5.07 vs. 4.54)

So tell me again, how Costco is getting more out of their workers?
 
2013-07-26 11:35:55 PM  
The most enlightening thing about this thread isn't that some farkers shop at Walmart, it's that they seem to be proud of it.

/The nearest Walmart up here in the Calif high desert closed last week ... when the new Super WalMart opened. Now in addition to the husks of all the smaller stores that were shut down after Walmart moved in, there's the huge husk of an abandoned Walmart.
 
2013-07-26 11:41:06 PM  
Also of note for all those who are against welfare. The future is upon us. Automation is taking more and more jobs, which technically is a good thing, but only if we come to the realization that there aren't enough good paying jobs to go around. How we'll solve this issue I'm not sure, but its a reality that we'll be facing very soon.
 
2013-07-26 11:44:55 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.



Oh my goodness, aren't we impressed with ourselves!

What a cute little internet contrarian you are!

Who's a big boy?

Who's a big boy?
 
2013-07-26 11:45:05 PM  

bbfreak: Also of note for all those who are against welfare. The future is upon us. Automation is taking more and more jobs, which technically is a good thing, but only if we come to the realization that there aren't enough good paying jobs to go around. How we'll solve this issue I'm not sure, but its a reality that we'll be facing very soon.


we know that already.
Obama blamed unemployment on ATMs and airline ticket machines.

Those darn copy machines also screwed the people making mimeograph machines.
 
2013-07-26 11:54:08 PM  

meat0918: Wait, people still defend Wal-Mart?

I mean besides stock-holders?


Ctrl-F tenpoundsofcheese.
 
2013-07-26 11:55:12 PM  

SomeoneDumb: The most enlightening thing about this thread isn't that some farkers shop at Walmart, it's that they seem to be proud of it.


You're misreading things.  Some anti-free trade liberals, including in this thread, are trying to imbue Walmart with moral valence.  Because Walmart does not forgo profit in favor of liberal political values, therefore Walmart is "bad" - and by implication, so are the people who shop there and enjoy its presence.

Most of those denigrated people, of which I am one, do not give a shiat about what some whiny liberals wish the world would be like.  We're neither proud nor ashamed of shopping at Walmart, because it's a financial decision, not a moral one.

What you read as "pride" is mostly backlash against the nosy liberals who want to impose their preferences on other people.
 
2013-07-27 12:18:02 AM  
So people shop at Wal-Mart to stick it to the libs?
 
2013-07-27 12:20:38 AM  

John Buck 41: Ed Grubermann: Debeo Summa Credo: Its not walmarts fault.

[www.trilobite.org image 440x500]

It very much is WalMart's fault they do everything they can o avoid paying their employees a living wage. And this is after they've driven the stores that did pay a living wage out of business.

Do you really think Ed's Hardware or Joe's Market paid their employees a higher wage than Walmart? Really?


For the most part, small businesses tend to pay higher wages.
 
2013-07-27 12:21:02 AM  
I am not a fan of Wal Mart, but I still buy toilet paper and cat food there.  I don't think there's anything else that I actively seek out.  I can get better food for the same price/cheaper at the local places.
 
2013-07-27 12:28:59 AM  

gnosis301: So people shop at Wal-Mart to stick it to the libs?


No.  To save money (EDLP) and for the selection.

Since they sell almost a half trillion dollars worth of stuff, seems that a lot of people like saving money.

You can overpay at many other places if you want.
 
2013-07-27 12:30:23 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: meat0918: Wait, people still defend Wal-Mart?

I mean besides stock-holders?

Ctrl-F tenpoundsofcheese.


Meh.  They sell almost a half trillion dollars worth of stuff, so plenty of people vote with their wallet and support Walmart and their shareholders.
 
2013-07-27 12:31:56 AM  

TheLopper: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

You can pick up Blackhawks Stanley Cup Champions merchandise at decent prices.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-27 12:56:51 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: No.


Captain Dan: What you read as "pride" is mostly backlash against the nosy liberals who want to impose their preferences on other people.


Looks as though some people  doshop at Wal-Mart to stick it to the libs.
 
2013-07-27 01:13:05 AM  
Last year in the spring, I spent five months working in Vicksburg, Mississippi. It was a huge outage, over four thousand people at one time.

There were two local box stores, a Walmart, and a Kroger's. And it was single-handedly the most useless Walmart I'd ever been in. Nothing was ever stocked. Every time I went entire shelves were empty. I went a grand total of three times I think, and never for groceries. I shopped at Kroger's almost exclusively. Initially, I assumed that the rush of outage workers had overwhelmed the local Walmart.

But no. The locals told me that it was pretty typical of that Walmart, and regaled me with stories of some exotic disease being found in the veggie sprayers (no idea how true that was).

/fark Walmart, gimme Meijer's, Whole Foods, Kroger's, whatever.
 
2013-07-27 01:15:59 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: ghare: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Oh, definitely, the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service, and to not be subjected to the generally horrific experience is well worth it to me. Local businessmen get my money normally. Hell, I even get better-than-Wal-Mart pricing  frequently.

Hmm. You'd think that Walmart wouldnt have grown to the sales volume it currently has if it offered lower quality merchandise, poorer service, and a generally horrific experience, while not offering better pricing than elsewhere.


there is a huge difference between the days of Sam Walton's Wal-Mart and current day Sam in the Grave Greedy sibling WalMart, you dolt.
 
2013-07-27 01:17:19 AM  

gnosis301: Captain Dan: What you read as "pride" is mostly backlash against the nosy liberals who want to impose their preferences on other people.

Looks as though some people do shop at Wal-Mart to stick it to the libs.


That's poor reading comprehension on your part.  It's Friday night, so I'll assume it's a temporary impairment.

People shop at Walmart because of low prices.  When liberals insult them online, they defend themselves.  That online reaction is the backlash (not the shopping at Walmart).

Also, it's more of a backlash against pricks than it is against liberals.  In this case, it's liberals who are nosy, so they're the ones resented.  In other contexts the meddlesome pricks might be conservative (e.g. pushing creationism in public schools).
 
2013-07-27 01:18:58 AM  

meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.


You have a citation for this tidbit?
 
2013-07-27 01:19:53 AM  

rev. dave: Here is where my pragmatic side appears.  Mr. Fugelsang is doing what I want a guy like him to do, we could use thousands more if they split the work.   However, if it were not for Wal-Mart my few dollars left after debt payments would not help as much.
The workers ay my store are all nice to me and a few recognize me, I buy a lot of my groceries from there.  I feel glad they have a job, if things were worse, I could work there.I can imagine them as co-workers at least once in the next 30 years, mainly after retirement.  I don't trust Republicans with social security.  The money I save is a big deal.
But really there are a lot of other non-political organizations I feel much stronger about.  Comcast, ATT, Verizon, Banks, Commodities markets.   This company is a Weathervane rather than a Haliburton.  They adapt to changes well.  So the way to affect the unethical behavior of Wal-Mart is to have laws which restrict them and allow their workers to organize.  I will still shop there if the price is 30% more.  Especially if the workers are better treated.


Best troll
 
2013-07-27 01:20:09 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: COMALite J: tbhouston: lawboy87: Costco, which has very loyal and happy employees who are paid well above the average for retail, for comparison:  Stock price - 10 yrs ago:  $31, today's close $116  (375% return on investment)

WalMart - with shoddy stores, unhappy employees and a pay and benefits package that barely beats out some 3rd world nations:  Stock price-  10 yrs ago $55, today's close $78 (141% ROI)


Which business model seems to be the most successful?  Paying your employees such a crap wage that you tend to draw the worst dregs of the employee market to man your stores; or providing a pay and benefits package that leads to having one of the highest employee retention and job satisfaction rates in retail?

How can the "geniuses" that run WalMart not see what is plain on its face?  More importantly, how can someone analyzing the retail market place looking for a place to buy some stock, not see that Costco provides close to 3 times the ROI than WalMart?

Oh look, it's that durrrrtard that compares Costco to Walmart instead of SAMs club.....

Oh, you wanna compare Sam's Club? Okay, we'll compare Sam's Club.
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 500x414]
What's your comeback now?

Walmart does not report financial data for Sam's club except year-to-year sales.

Weird that you chart would exclude the Earnings Per Share of the two companies.  Ya know the thing that investors actually care about.
  Walmart's Earnings Per Share is much higher than Costco. (5.07 vs. 4.54)

So tell me again, how Costco is getting more out of their workers?


You realize that earnings per share is a totally worthless metric, right? Price to earnings is better, but not foolproof because the price is calculated based on future potential. So in reality, a high p/e ratio would indicate that a stock is more prefered by the market, despite returning less on a current market price based evaluation. In the end, you're still a retard who has no idea what he's talking about.
 
2013-07-27 01:20:33 AM  

Captain Dan: gnosis301: Captain Dan: What you read as "pride" is mostly backlash against the nosy liberals who want to impose their preferences on other people.

Looks as though some people do shop at Wal-Mart to stick it to the libs.

That's poor reading comprehension on your part.  It's Friday night, so I'll assume it's a temporary impairment.

People shop at Walmart because of low prices.  When liberals insult them online, they defend themselves.  That online reaction is the backlash (not the shopping at Walmart).

Also, it's more of a backlash against pricks than it is against liberals.  In this case, it's liberals who are nosy, so they're the ones resented.  In other contexts the meddlesome pricks might be conservative (e.g. pushing creationism in public schools).


Ah. Thank you for the clarification.
 
2013-07-27 01:20:54 AM  
tenpoundsofcheese (farkied: It ain't cheese): Oh goodie, Current is now criticizing companies in the US that provides millions of jobs, supports millions of jobs of suppliers  and has stock that is owned by unions and teachers and little ol ladies

The same is true of GM.  But the bailout was teh evul.
 
2013-07-27 01:21:01 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.

You have a citation for this tidbit?


I doubt a lot of shops provide health insurance or pensions
 
2013-07-27 01:21:05 AM  

Cletus C.: I enjoyed the part where he said the Walton family "controls" as much wealth as the lower 30 percent of all Americans.

Ha. Like that lower 30 percent has any wealth and in any way "controls" what money they do have.


And the fact that you're right and that does not absolutely disgust you is proof of how horrible a human being you are.
 
2013-07-27 01:21:10 AM  

Captain Dan: because it's a financial decision,


It's a shiatty financial decision and you should feel bad for making it. It has nothing to do with libruls, dear.
 
2013-07-27 01:23:32 AM  

gnosis301: tenpoundsofcheese: No.

Captain Dan: What you read as "pride" is mostly backlash against the nosy liberals who want to impose their preferences on other people.

Looks as though some people  doshop at Wal-Mart to stick it to the libs.


Why did you edit what I wrote to make a different point?

I said "No.  To save money (EDLP) and for the selection. "

Libs don't influence where I shop.
 
2013-07-27 01:23:41 AM  
tenpoundsofcheese (farkied: It ain't cheese): Lee Jackson Beauregard: meat0918: Wait, people still defend Wal-Mart?

I mean besides stock-holders?

Ctrl-F tenpoundsofcheese.

Meh.  They sell almost a half trillion dollars worth of stuff, so plenty of people vote with their wallet and support Walmart and their shareholders.


McDonald's is the best-selling fast food restaurant.  Pretty damn close to all of the others make better food.
 
2013-07-27 01:26:32 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: gnosis301: tenpoundsofcheese: No.

Captain Dan: What you read as "pride" is mostly backlash against the nosy liberals who want to impose their preferences on other people.

Looks as though some people  doshop at Wal-Mart to stick it to the libs.

Why did you edit what I wrote to make a different point?

I said "No.  To save money (EDLP) and for the selection. "

Libs don't influence where I shop.


When I said "people," I wasn't referring to you.
 
2013-07-27 01:27:17 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: TuteTibiImperes: SkorzenyNinja: Alright, so I'm here to drop some anecdotal retorts in Tolstoy wall-o-text form. Take this all with a huge grain of salt if you will. Let me begin by clarifying that I'm a dirty hippy and a registered Democrat, voted for Fartbongo twice (three times if you include against Hillary) and continue to support the evil liberal agenda in non-presidential election years (I'm looking at you, lazy assholes that farked everything up in the Tea Tard wave of 2010). I'm certainly on the lower end of the economic scale, so I appreciate the lower prices at Wally World.

I also have family that work at Wal-Mart, one family member specifically. They get about $10.50-$11 an hour I believe, full time with health insurance and all after five years with the company. Right there, that is above the average wage this fine gentleman spoke of in his video, and that is only for a cashier. I don't know if living in Colorado is a part of that, but there you go. Full time, pay that's moderately above minimum wage, and the all powerful health insurance. Thanks to this healthcare, their significant other was recently able to retire comfortably after 35+ years with their own job. In my mind, that is a solid on Wal-Mart.

Does it take 5 years to get benefits?  That seems like an absurdly long amount of time.  Most reputable companies start full benefits at the hire date, or 30/60/90 days after hire.

Also, 5 years in and only $11 an hour?  That's not exactly something that people should be shooting for.

Yep that's just about the poverty line for a family of 3.


That's poverty line for a single guy, let alone some poor sap with a wife and kid.

$15/hr is the minimum to keep your head above water and not be living out of food pantries and used clothes.

$25/hr is what any Journeyman in the country could count on in a job and everybody thought was a damn good job 4 DECADES ago, and is still considered good pay today. Something is seriously wrong with that.
 
2013-07-27 01:29:10 AM  

Cletus C.: By his logic, the only way for an individual to recoup any of he money the company is costing society is to save money by shopping at Walmart.

I don't think that's what he was saying, vicious circle, etc.


That's the logic I use when I go there. But if I could find another store near me that sold Heartland gluten free pasta...
 
2013-07-27 01:30:20 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Sergeant Grumbles: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: I disagree with about 95% of what you post on Fark, but this thread is ridiculous. Everyone is jumping all over your ass because you shop at Wal Mart because its the economically sound decision. You're not even defending their business practices, just saying you shop there because its cheaper (as anyone smart with their money would do).

And if you'd understood anything you read, you'd see that everyone is mentioning the hidden price of shopping there, mainly via taxes to support Wal-Mart's poverty wages.

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: People around here can be so farking stupid.

Right back at ya.

Don't like subsidizing the workers? Cut the farking subsidy!!!

Its not walmarts fault. If Walmart wasnt around, we'd be paying even more to support these people, and every other poor person who now shops at Walmart would have a harder time making ends meet!


Right, because people with jobs are living off the teat of society.

Did that statement hurt? Did your ears pop? Loss in equilibrium? I refuse to believe something that stupid could be made by someone with no negative physical consequence to them.
 
2013-07-27 01:34:10 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: tenpoundsofcheese: Philip Francis Queeg: Debeo Summa Credo: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Is it possible to not use Walmart because I feel the onus of responsibility is on the consumer?

A corporation is a soulless legal entity that exists to maximize utility for its owners (just like a union). It has no political views and no ethical restrictions and will consider all available options to maximize utility. If Walmart thought that it could make more money by closing the stores and building cruise ships, it would do so. If Walmart thought it could get away with paying labor a cheaper rate, it would do so. And if Walmart thought that it could improve business by giving billions of dollars away to save the rain forest charities, it would also do so. The only ways to control a corporation are through consumption and through the government (both of which required informed citizenry - a major no-no).

I don't agree with Walmart's stance on labor rights and blatant abuse of economies of scale, so I don't use them.

/Filthy liberal socialist

I'm okay with this. Everyone should follow your example: don't like Walmart? Don't shop there.

I'll go because those near me arent nearly as bad as they apparently are in other parts of the country, and they have good prices on basic staples.

You go because you believe that the highest ideal anyone can strive for is to make profits for a large corporation.

Would it be better if they had low profits so the  shareholders, like all the unions, pensions, and people who have 401ks or any investments got screwed?

That is what you want?

When was the last time you demanded to make less so that there shareholders would do better?


Yep. But he won't, since he thinks the solution to a workforce dependant on safety nets is to cut the safety nets...

Does he realize how disastrous cutting those safety nets would be to Wal-Mart? I bet Wal-Mart would lose half its prospective workforce if those nets were fully done away with, because with what WM pays them they wouldn't be able to afford the commute to and from work every day.

Although, I think his and maybe Wal-Mart's ultimate goal is the return of the company town of old. Pullman's for everybody!
 
2013-07-27 01:35:42 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: tenpoundsofcheese (farkied: It ain't cheese): Lee Jackson Beauregard: meat0918: Wait, people still defend Wal-Mart?

I mean besides stock-holders?

Ctrl-F tenpoundsofcheese.

Meh.  They sell almost a half trillion dollars worth of stuff, so plenty of people vote with their wallet and support Walmart and their shareholders.

McDonald's is the best-selling fast food restaurant.  Pretty damn close to all of the others make better food.


And Fox News has the highest ratings among cable news channels.
 
2013-07-27 01:36:17 AM  
...and, of course, I quote the wrong damn comment. This is what I was responding to:

Selena Luna: IlGreven: Selena Luna: Debeo Summa Credo: peacheslatour: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

You would.

So do millions and millions of other people, because they can get more for their money there.

Shake your impotent fists of rage all you want, this is a fact.

Over time, it costs considerably more. When the only clothes I could afford were WalMart clothes, I was replacing them all the time. I can afford better clothes now and they last much longer. I realize this is an anecdote, but it's also the case with most of the crap. Your money doesn't go further there.

Remember, cost is money x time. Which costs less, really: Something that you pay $400 for that lasts six months, or something you pay $600 for that lasts 2 years?

I thought that's what I was saying... Were you telling the other guy to remember this?


Yep. But he won't, since he thinks the solution to a workforce dependant on safety nets is to cut the safety nets...

Does he realize how disastrous cutting those safety nets would be to Wal-Mart? I bet Wal-Mart would lose half its prospective workforce if those nets were fully done away with, because with what WM pays them they wouldn't be able to afford the commute to and from work every day.

Although, I think his and maybe Wal-Mart's ultimate goal is the return of the company town of old. Pullman's for everybody!
 
2013-07-27 01:36:22 AM  

Lsherm: I Like Bread: Kazrath: You raise minimum wage and the price of stuff goes up immediately.

Anyone who condones this is a corporatist shill. The average CEO:worker pay ratio has gone from about 5:1 to 500:1 in the past 50 years. Their profits are higher and their taxes are lower than they've ever been. The idea that higher wages must come out of OUR pockets, not those of executives who are strangling their own companies, is indefensible. Still, conservatives have successfully created this big lie that capitalists are forces of nature, that their actions may not be opposed, and that any effort to ease the burden on the lower class actually HURTS them in the long run because the upper class have the power and influence to pass the buck.

Even though executive compensation is grossly out of proportion with what is deserved, you couldn't fund a minimum wage hike with their compensation.  It's not enough.


What?

Yes you could, here's how you do it, you progressively tax the shiat out of all compensation. Want to make more than, oh say $400k/year? You're paying 90% on every dollar to uncle Sam. All of a sudden it's no longer feasible to pay yourself more than $400k, the money is instead reinvested into either the company or compensating other employees. That's how we became the powerhouse of the world all through the 50's, 60's and 70's. EVERYBODY could make a good living, not just the lucky few in the top quintile.
 
2013-07-27 01:39:10 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: It's a shiatty financial decision and you should feel bad for making it. It has nothing to do with libruls, dear.


Your first claim is equal parts wrong and presumptuous (are you actually claiming to know my budget better than I do?), and regarding your second, I don't feel the tiniest iota bad about shopping at Walmart.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-27 01:39:42 AM  

revrendjim: I heard (from a regional-level Wal-Mart manager) that some of their products have lower prices because they are lower quality, even if they are well-known national brands. Wal-Mart controls about a fourth of all the grocery business in the US and has so much leverage that they can demand lower prices from their suppliers, so the manufacturers run special batches just for Wal-Mart where they use inferior ingredients and cut corners any way they can.


Walmart used to be all about using their superior logistics to demand lower prices from suppliers. They claimed to pass the savings to customers. When that wasn't enough for the shareholders, they cut costs internally, by ignoring quality and shafting employees.

fark'em.
 
2013-07-27 01:41:06 AM  

Captain Dan: In this case, it's liberals who are nosy, so they're the ones resented. In other contexts the meddlesome pricks might be conservative (e.g. pushing creationism in public schools).


Can we just compromise?  Conservatives won't tell liberals how to live their lives, and liberals won't tell conservatives how to run their businesses?

Actually, that sounds like libertarianism.
 
2013-07-27 01:43:17 AM  

foo monkey: revrendjim: I heard (from a regional-level Wal-Mart manager) that some of their products have lower prices because they are lower quality, even if they are well-known national brands. Wal-Mart controls about a fourth of all the grocery business in the US and has so much leverage that they can demand lower prices from their suppliers, so the manufacturers run special batches just for Wal-Mart where they use inferior ingredients and cut corners any way they can.

Walmart used to be all about using their superior logistics to demand lower prices from suppliers. They claimed to pass the savings to customers. When that wasn't enough for the shareholders, they cut costs internally, by ignoring quality and shafting employees.

fark'em.


That sounds about right.

Ironically the Walmarts by me started to go downhill around the same time they rebranded the stores to appeal to more middle class (Target) shoppers on a national level.
 
2013-07-27 02:15:01 AM  
"At least the still have the ammo price stickers in that locker thingy"
 
2013-07-27 02:44:45 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


I'm sorry you are so poor that you are forced to buy shiatty products made in a shiatty country from a shiatty store that treats its employees like shiat.  You'll be replacing whatever you bought very soon since it was made so shiatty it will self destruct in short order.

I bet my vacuum cost more than your car.
 
2013-07-27 02:47:05 AM  

silvervial: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

I have never set foot in a Walmart and I don't even know where one is located in my vicinity.

Suck it.


We're driving around doing errands when my roommate said, "let's swing by walmart, I need to get a few things."  I said, "just drop me off right here."  He said, "ha ha, funny."  I said, "I'm serious, drop me off right here.  I refuse to go near that store."  He chose to go to walmart another time.
 
2013-07-27 02:48:49 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self


God, just STFU. You ain't on the higher end of any scale except "paint chip consumption".

Compare yourself to service workers all you want, you're still a loser.
 
2013-07-27 02:50:05 AM  
I get better deals at Hy-Vee and Walgreens than I could find at Walmart.  Plus, my time is valuable, so I calculate that into the savings as well.  I can get all of my shopping done in 1/2 the time, plus the fruits and vegetables that I get are better quality and the checkout people actually smile.  I've actually found maggots in vegetables at Walmart...I've never seen that anywhere else.
 
2013-07-27 02:51:28 AM  

Captain Dan: The My Little Pony Killer: It's a shiatty financial decision and you should feel bad for making it. It has nothing to do with libruls, dear.

Your first claim is equal parts wrong and presumptuous (are you actually claiming to know my budget better than I do?), and regarding your second, I don't feel the tiniest iota bad about shopping at Walmart.


[i.imgur.com image 400x154]


Keep livin' in that vacuum, son. Keep leaching off the rest of us. It's ok, we'll cover you.
 
2013-07-27 03:00:25 AM  

OgreMagi: I bet my vacuum cost more than your car.


I'm driving a 2013 car, what kind of vacuum do you have?
 
2013-07-27 03:15:15 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: I'm driving a 2013 car


of course you are sweetie. of course you are.
 
2013-07-27 03:18:44 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: peacheslatour: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

You would.

So do millions and millions of other people, because they can get more for their money there.

Shake your impotent fists of rage all you want, this is a fact.


Should we feel sorry for the person who would forge the chains used to keep him in bondage?

The whole point behind the "impotent rage" as you call it is that people are NOT getting more for their money there, because they are paying the salaries of those employees (and their corporate masters) in taxes. If they were smart enough to realize this, Walmart would go out of business tomorrow, but they count on the stupidity, stubbornness and sloth of the american suburbanite to continue their existence and increase their profits.

The irony is that the people who would support such corporations are the same ones who b*tch about paying more taxes all the time, and are too slow-witted to realize why.
 
2013-07-27 03:29:17 AM  
@Debeo Summa credo; I've only been in like three walmarts in my life, each one has between filthy with rude employees.. I don't understand the appeal of the place, it wasn't even cheaper then other comparable places..
 
2013-07-27 03:50:41 AM  

joonyer: Keep livin' in that vacuum, son. Keep leaching off the rest of us. It's ok, we'll cover you.


Joonyer, you ignorant slut.  Your pointless sentences are the product of a malfunctioning peanut brain.  Before you respond, take a class in remedial English so you'll be able to spell it correctly.
 
2013-07-27 03:53:58 AM  

BMFPitt: I will still shop there if the price is 30% more. Especially if the workers are better treated.

Why? That would make then significantly more expensive than their competitors. If you're saying you'd pay more for better-paid workers, why aren't you shopping at a place that pays workers better right now?


I do, and the name of the place is spelled C-O-S-T-C-O. The local one is right across the street from a Wal-Mart, so I've had opportunity to compare both of them with a 100 yard or so stroll.
I walk into Costco... clean, well-lit, they have what I want and people of above average intelligence to help me find it, including well made american, japanese, korean and european brands.

I walk into the WalMart... it's like a farking George Romero movie. Filthy walked through puddles of crap spilled on the floor, items and clothing that feel as if they will fall apart as you try them on, and checkout people who seem to have left a few chromosomes at home. I won't even go into what the zombie customer base was like.

There is no comparison. I pay more for Costco, but I only have to buy it once.
 
2013-07-27 04:01:37 AM  
Wow Debbie thinks WalMart's all right?

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2013-07-27 04:04:39 AM  

max_pooper: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service

Wait, your can of Arrid deodorant, Irish Spring soap, Suave shampoo and Crest toothpaste are better than the ones I buy at Walmart? Better service, do they give you a hand job while waiting in line where you shop?

Yes. It's no big secret that suppliers have special lower grade products runs just for Walmart to meet their demand on prices. The box may have the same name on it but often it is an inferior product.


The part number is different.
 
2013-07-27 04:23:12 AM  
I've never shopped at Walmart, neener neener

Give it a rest. With the way it underpays employees and puts locals out of business, Walmart is basically making its own consumer base.
 
2013-07-27 04:36:54 AM  
Happy Reading!

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2013-07-27 05:07:40 AM  

DVOM: max_pooper: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service

Wait, your can of Arrid deodorant, Irish Spring soap, Suave shampoo and Crest toothpaste are better than the ones I buy at Walmart? Better service, do they give you a hand job while waiting in line where you shop?

Yes. It's no big secret that suppliers have special lower grade products runs just for Walmart to meet their demand on prices. The box may have the same name on it but often it is an inferior product.

The part number is different.


Not just that. Inferior electrical components, substandard plastics, QC failed lcds/leds/oleds, QC failed boards, you name it. When I worked PC Repair and we had customers who told us they got it at Walmart, we flat out told them get a new computer from anywhere else. We literally didn't have to even open it up to know it had popped caps.

The only thing I've bought electronic at Walmart was my 3DS, because they CAN'T screw that up.
 
2013-07-27 05:19:29 AM  
Captain Dan:

What you read as "pride" is mostly backlash against the nosy liberals who want to impose their preferences on other people.

I'm not sure I'd categorize revenge as something to be proud of, either.
 
2013-07-27 06:11:35 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.

You have a citation for this tidbit?


People who have no option but to shop at Wal-Mart will defend Wal-Mart.
 
2013-07-27 06:17:39 AM  

ghare: The My Little Pony Killer: meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.

You have a citation for this tidbit?

People who have no option but to shop at Wal-Mart will defend Wal-Mart.


Or people who are paid to. Seriously, have you READ some of the Walmart defenders' posts in this thread? They sound like farking commercials.
 
2013-07-27 06:25:57 AM  

ghare: People who have no option but to shop at Wal-Mart will defend Wal-Mart.


I have no option but to shop at walmart. (It's the only place open when I'm in town) but you won't see me defend it. I can only imagine how soul crushing it is to work there.
 
2013-07-27 07:02:59 AM  

Ringshadow: There were two local box stores, a Walmart, and a Kroger's. And it was single-handedly the most useless Walmart I'd ever been in. Nothing was ever stocked. Every time I went entire shelves were empty. I went a grand total of three times I think, and never for groceries. I shopped at Kroger's almost exclusively. Initially, I assumed that the rush of outage workers had overwhelmed the local Walmart.


That's the funniest thing about Walmart: between their byzintine accounting practices and the way they flim-flam their suppliers, while what they offer is cheap, they frequently don't actually have product on the shelves of their stores, which gives them the look of State stores in the Soviet Union.
 
2013-07-27 07:10:57 AM  

log_jammin: ghare: People who have no option but to shop at Wal-Mart will defend Wal-Mart.

I have no option but to shop at walmart. (It's the only place open when I'm in town) but you won't see me defend it. I can only imagine how soul crushing it is to work there


Hell, I have to do business with them sometimes, just like sometimes I have to do business with Enterprise car rentals even though I hate them too.

But it's always a last resort, or because someone else makes me.
 
2013-07-27 07:11:54 AM  

rewind2846: I do, and the name of the place is spelled C-O-S-T-C-O. The local one is right across the street from a Wal-Mart, so I've had opportunity to compare both of them with a 100 yard or so stroll.
I walk into Costco... clean, well-lit, they have what I want and people of above average intelligence to help me find it, including well made american, japanese, korean and european brands.


Don't forget how awesome Kirkland brand is.

I walk into the WalMart... it's like a farking George Romero movie. Filthy walked through puddles of crap spilled on the floor, items and clothing that feel as if they will fall apart as you try them on, and checkout people who seem to have left a few chromosomes at home. I won't even go into what the zombie customer base was like.

That's why I've only been in there like 10 times in the last 10 years (excluding the the VUDU movie service, which they own.)  Generally either because they're 24 hours and I needed something at 2am or because of some crazy deal on electronics.

There is no comparison. I pay more for Costco, but I only have to buy it once.

I'd say that there are probably very few things you'd pay more for at Costco that were of the same quality.

But the guy I was responding to said he shops at Wally World right now, and also that he'd shop there if they were 30% more expensive.  So I wanted to know what his retarded logic was.
 
2013-07-27 07:13:45 AM  
If your argument in defense of Wal-Mart is "they're successful, therefore correct, get over it," you're missing the point SOOOO HAAARD.
 
2013-07-27 07:43:56 AM  

tbhouston: Oh look, it's that durrrrtard that compares Costco to Walmart instead of SAMs club.....


No, it's that farking genius who is comparing the number 1 retailer in the US, to the number 2 retailer in the US.

Besides, you durrtard - Sam's Club is not a separate company from WalMart and it is represented in WalMart's stock prices.   Why would I segregate Sam's Club performance (if that was even possible), when comparing the relative performance of WalMart's stock against Costco's?   That would be like comparing Ford's stock performance to GM and you telling me that I'm stupid for not segregating out the earnings of GMC trucks vs that of Ford trucks and using that as the metric.
 
2013-07-27 08:15:15 AM  
i shop at J-mart
 
2013-07-27 08:23:13 AM  
Bill Clinton signed NAFTA and made China a permanent most favored trading nation because of his and Hilary's ties to Walmart.

Walmart has literally ruined our middle class.
 
2013-07-27 08:42:32 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: ghare: If you think you can't beat Wal-Mart pricing, well, that's why you're a Wal-Mart customer.

Sure there are sales at other stores on items that will beat Walmart's prices, but are you really going to drive to 15 different stores to get the things you need?


We moved here (Costa Rica) about 3 months ago. When you go down town, you visit this guy for produce, that lady for meats, this store for milk, that store for shampoo. I've not noticed anyone's head bursting into flames because of it.Once you get over your *need* for convenience, it actually works out rather well.
 
2013-07-27 08:45:37 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: i shop at J-mart


Remember, "Shop smart, shop J-Mart"
 
2013-07-27 09:00:23 AM  
Not everything is a moral battle between good and evil.  In fact, almost nothing is.  Brand name choice is one of the things that isn't.  You can hate WalMart's policies and aesthetics and still go there looking for some cheap patio chairs.  It's crazy, I know, but i think our brains are complex enough to handle all those deep ethical questions that come with a choice of such gravity.

Dive into the grey.  The edge is for pussies.
 
2013-07-27 09:04:26 AM  
Throughout the 80's and 90's you found computers everywhere in business except increased productivity.

Meanwhile, Walmart's innovations reduced prices for consumers. Applying innovations like cross-docking, JIT, and commands such "stop putting underarm deodorant in cardboard boxes"

This company concentrates consumption as a lower cost then takes the profits out of the community. But be real, other than union grocery stores the rest of retail is working on getting employees to take 2/3 time jobs at minimum wage.
 
2013-07-27 09:11:27 AM  
Really folks. What the hell is up with Walmart. The entire operation reeks of evil. Everything about how it's run, it's employees, it's creepy Orwellian TV spots, it's corportate family gang mentality, it's predatory nature against its workers, it's vendors, against local city governments. It's a massive shakedown against our entire society, and really needs to be tamed.
 
2013-07-27 09:13:11 AM  
I shop at Walmart from time to time because they're open when I'm up (I work nights) and because I like Transformers toys, and Walmart has a better selection than Toys R Us (or Target, which never has any of them on the shelves).

I don't love shopping at Walmart - if I spend too long in the store I start feeling not well, but then I've never been in a Target store for more than 5 minutes without getting a headache.
 
2013-07-27 09:32:32 AM  

wildcardjack: Throughout the 80's and 90's you found computers everywhere in business except increased productivity.

Meanwhile, Walmart's innovations reduced prices for consumers. Applying innovations like cross-docking, JIT, and commands such "stop putting underarm deodorant in cardboard boxes"

This company concentrates consumption as a lower cost then takes the profits out of the community. But be real, other than union grocery stores the rest of retail is working on getting employees to take 2/3 time jobs at minimum wage.


I don't think that anyone will argue that, apart from a few exceptions, we aren't seeing a race to the bottom. There is no question that Wal*Mart has vastly optimized it's operations in order to compete for business based on price. The problem is that those are one time optimizations and you can't get significant improvements in operational costs year over year for the long term.

So Wal*Mart turned its attention to other ways of cutting costs. One way to do this is analyze their suppliers and then dictate a buy price that helps the WalMart bottom line at the expense of their supplier's profit margins. WalMart, as the number one retailer, is in a unique position to be able to break a manufacturer by dropping it's product which gives WalMart huge leverage in price negotiations. There comes a point where the supplier can't make that price with domestic production which is where WalMart recommends that production be moved overseas and provides expertise on how to make that transition. At this point the supplier is in too deep and refusal of WalMart's terms would result in a loss of a significant fraction of their business and massive drops in stock price. They are no longer an independent business entity but a satellite of WalMart.

But you can't squeeze your suppliers year after year for long, eventually there's nothing left to squeeze. Shareholders and the board still demand double digit returns so they trim wages. Hourly employees see wages stagnate and the workload increase as store staffing is reduced, benefits are cut, and individual hours are cut. Both salaried and hourly employees see mandatory unpaid overtime, off the clock work time, and stagnating wages.

WalMart is a success story but it is built on a foundation of human suffering.
 
2013-07-27 09:34:36 AM  

Captain Dan: 2. Which business practices are you upset about? Specifically, not "they're greedy and furthermore capitalism."


How about them subsidizing their employees off the government teat and actively pushing employees onto medicaid and food stamps for starters?  That really should get them a nice income tax increase.

And to the fark wads that say, "just eliminate the subsidies! That's not Wal Mart's fault!"

1.  Personal beliefs aside, the notion that we care for our fellow man and help the poor is kinda a good one and one that is promoted by major religions not involving a chain smoking, mass murderer worshipping immigrant welfare queen.
2.  We have a few examples from history of what happens  a mass of hungry, poor people are told by the upper class, "fark you, I've got mine"  18th Century France, 20th Century Russia and Germany.  Oh, and having easy access to guns kinda will speed the lesson  along.for the slow learners.
3.  Contrary to popular belief, reigning in capitalism and regulations designed to curb some of the excesses don't amount to an obituary for capitalism.  Quite the opposite.
 
2013-07-27 09:41:58 AM  
People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.
 
2013-07-27 09:49:20 AM  

Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.


Yep, and people never lose their job after they have children through no fault of their own.
 
2013-07-27 09:55:00 AM  

Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.


Having children is evil?  Wow, that really puts a spin on the whole pro-life movement in this country.  Those people are farking satanists!  Or maybe it's the poor decision making.  Well, if they made the wrong choice, then the decision should be to give them more choices, now, isn't it.  You know, maybe a way to control when they have the birth of a child to a more fortunate time when they can fully afford the expense.  Cause clearly they can't go up and demand a raise, now, can they?  What was that saying, "A communist is any son of a biatch who wants a quarter when we're paying a dime!"
 
2013-07-27 10:03:25 AM  

whither_apophis: TuteTibiImperes: BMFPitt: I came to refute the derp, but then it was a video so fark that until someone makes a list.

No derp, just facts like Wal-Mart drives local businesses out of business and despite record profits still pays so little that in many states Wal-Mart employees are the largest group on public assistance.  Just getting the message out there that the low prices you pay have a hidden cost in your tax dollars because Wal-Mart won't pay enough for employees to live without government funded assistance.

Too many big words, these are people of the land, the common clay of the new West.

/"Buy from Wal-Mart, support commie Chinese."


Sadly, it's no different than the person with the big 'BUY AMERICAN' sticker on their Toyota.  They just can't see the disconnect.

Debeo Summa Credo: ghare: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Oh, definitely, the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service, and to not be subjected to the generally horrific experience is well worth it to me. Local businessmen get my money normally. Hell, I even get better-than-Wal-Mart pricing  frequently.

Hmm. You'd think that Walmart wouldnt have grown to the sales volume it currently has if it offered lower quality merchandise, poorer service, and a generally horrific experience, while not offering better pricing than elsewhere.


Except that if you buy shiat at a WalMart, it's really cheap shiat.  When I used to shop there, I noticed that most of the crap you can buy there is a. made in China and b. usually falls apart long before something that you actually pay a bit more for will.

So if you enjoy paying 3 or 4 times to replace something that you could have paid once for, be my guest.  WalMart is cheaper, but they sell cheap shiat.  It's really that simple.
 
2013-07-27 10:04:35 AM  

Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.


They wouldn't be in poverty if Walmart paid a living wage and didn't stiff them on hours, and didn't run the businesses that DO provide those things out of town.

But go ahead, keep blaming the victim
 
2013-07-27 10:05:45 AM  

Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.


t is waaaay too late in this thread to troll like this.
 
2013-07-27 10:12:57 AM  
Christie Walton: 28.2 B.  11th richest person in the world.
Jim Walton: 26.7 B.  14th richest person in the world.
Alice Walton: 26.3 B.  16th richest person in the world.
S. Robson Walton: 26.1 B. 17th richest person in the world.

Combined wealth: 107.3 B.

Cannot afford to pay living wages to their employees.

Theo Albrecht, Jr. (Aldi's, Trader Joes): 18.9 B.  31st richest person in the world.

Can afford to pay living wages to their employees.


Commie-pinko-socialist-elitist source below:
http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/
 
2013-07-27 10:14:42 AM  

b0rg9: You either own Walmart or you work at Walmart.

/the future


You know they tried to get licensed to operate a Wal*Mart Bank in their stores?  If that hadn't been shot down federally, they'd be paying their employees checks that are deposited directly back into Wal*Mart.  They'd be offering 'preferential' loan options for employees and would be garnishing wages to pay down the loans.

About 6 years ago, we came *this* close to going back to company towns.
 
2013-07-27 10:31:01 AM  

12349876: Popcorn Johnny: 12349876: You claim you only care about money and you're buying name brands?

I'm buying name brands cheaper.

Store brands are cheaper than any name brand anywhere.  You should be getting store brands or else you're taking quality into account not just price.


This isn't always true.  Generally speaking, yes store brands are cheaper.  I've bought milk that was a name brand because it was cheaper than the store brand that week.  Also the store brands in my area are very comparable to the name brands that unless you have super taste buds, you probably would not be able to tell the difference.  In fact, many store brands are actually made by the same companies that make the name brands and they simply stick a different label on it.
 
2013-07-27 10:36:45 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Selena Luna: Over time, it costs considerably more. When the only clothes I could afford were WalMart clothes, I was replacing them all the time. I can afford better clothes now and they last much longer. I realize this is an anecdote, but it's also the case with most of the crap. Your money doesn't go further there.

Most of what Walmart sells is the same as what you would find at any other store. There are some exceptions, especially with electronics where companies will make models specifically for Walmart so they can offer them at lower prices. As for consumables, brand name clothes and most other things, you're getting the same thing you would at other stores. Walmart is able to offer the items at a lower price because they buy in such bulk.


Everybody already knows they pay their store staff shiat.

Please tell us how they pay in their Social Media Marketing Department.
 
2013-07-27 10:38:48 AM  

BeesNuts: b0rg9: You either own Walmart or you work at Walmart.

/the future

You know they tried to get licensed to operate a Wal*Mart Bank in their stores?  If that hadn't been shot down federally, they'd be paying their employees checks that are deposited directly back into Wal*Mart.  They'd be offering 'preferential' loan options for employees and would be garnishing wages to pay down the loans.

About 6 years ago, we came *this* close to going back to company towns.


I hate Wal Mart with a passion, but this is somewhat incorrect. What I recall is that they wanted to establish their own commercial bank, so that they could process credit and debit cards through that arm rather than having to pay somebody else, which when you consider the number of transactions per store per day makes a lot of sense. Unless they changed the plan from what I read about it, they were never considering going into consumer banking, which would involve lending or deposit accounts.

I wouldn't put it past them though. I know they got smacked in Mexico for paying their employees in Wal-Mart coupons instead of currency.
 
2013-07-27 11:04:31 AM  

iq_in_binary: DVOM: max_pooper: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service

Wait, your can of Arrid deodorant, Irish Spring soap, Suave shampoo and Crest toothpaste are better than the ones I buy at Walmart? Better service, do they give you a hand job while waiting in line where you shop?

Yes. It's no big secret that suppliers have special lower grade products runs just for Walmart to meet their demand on prices. The box may have the same name on it but often it is an inferior product.

The part number is different.

Not just that. Inferior electrical components, substandard plastics, QC failed lcds/leds/oleds, QC failed boards, you name it. When I worked PC Repair and we had customers who told us they got it at Walmart, we flat out told them get a new computer from anywhere else. We literally didn't have to even open it up to know it had popped caps.

The only thing I've bought electronic at Walmart was my 3DS, because they CAN'T screw that up.


When I worked in computer repair, we told customers that even if they didn't want to spend the money our store was charging for a new laptop (admittedly, our least expensive was $100 more than anywhere else), buying from Walmart meant that they would be buying another new computer in 6 months. Then, we would charge them out the ass when, 6 months later, they would bring in their old computer and a new computer to ask us to move the data over, because of course they didn't do a single backup of all of those pictures of their girlfriend or all of the music that they put on there, either legally or illegally.
 
2013-07-27 11:07:59 AM  

ghare: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

Unemployed, or on mental disability?



FTFY.

You should see him in the hockey threads.
 
2013-07-27 11:09:16 AM  

sendtodave: Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.

t is waaaay too late in this thread to troll like this.


Apparently not. Look at all those bites.
 
2013-07-27 11:19:43 AM  
Not a walmart thread without:

www.agilityfusion.com

/you guys are slacking
 
2013-07-27 11:35:14 AM  
I hate Wal Mart with a passion, but this is somewhat incorrect. What I recall is that they wanted to establish their own commercial bank, so that they could process credit and debit cards through that arm rather than having to pay somebody else, which when you consider the number of transactions per store per day makes a lot of sense. Unless they changed the plan from what I read about it, they were never considering going into consumer banking, which would involve lending or deposit accounts.

I wouldn't put it past them though. I know they got smacked in Mexico for paying their employees in Wal-Mart coupons instead of currency.


Walmart's new joint venture with American Express is consumer banking, via pre-paid debit cards.

the banks have responded to this by demanding that Walmart face typical banking regulations. If walmart is forced into that, the next steps would be shutting it down, or going all in with a full service banking operation.

I do worry about walmart abusing employees through it, but would it be better or worse than the abuse they take from payday lenders?
 
2013-07-27 11:52:20 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.

Yep, and people never lose their job after they have children through no fault of their own.


And every abortion is because of rape right?
 
2013-07-27 11:55:18 AM  

pueblonative: Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.

Having children is evil?  Wow, that really puts a spin on the whole pro-life movement in this country.  Those people are farking satanists!  Or maybe it's the poor decision making.  Well, if they made the wrong choice, then the decision should be to give them more choices, now, isn't it.  You know, maybe a way to control when they have the birth of a child to a more fortunate time when they can fully afford the expense.  Cause clearly they can't go up and demand a raise, now, can they?  What was that saying, "A communist is any son of a biatch who wants a quarter when we're paying a dime!"


Children born in poverty are worse off than crack babies, subjecting a child to a life of poverty is evil.
 
2013-07-27 11:57:21 AM  
I like shopping me at the Walmart.  As a conservative, I like the idea of depriving American manufacturers of jobs, screwing American workers out of a living wage, and love the idea of a business using its wealth to destroy the economies of American towns.

Republicans:  Love America, hate Americans.
 
2013-07-27 12:00:20 PM  

Gulper Eel: brainscab: Didn't current just sell to an arab country?

It was bought by Al-Jazeera, which will be shutting Current down and relaunching as Al-Jazeera America in less than one month.


Current is living on though. It's indirectly morphing into "Pivot TV."
 
2013-07-27 12:00:39 PM  

Brostorm: Philip Francis Queeg: Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.

Yep, and people never lose their job after they have children through no fault of their own.

And every abortion is because of rape right?


Well, since you think having a child when you are poor is evil, I would think you'd demand abortions for every woman that isn't wealthy enough that no amount of hardship could ever make them poor.

Was growing up poor what made you turn out as poorly as you have?
 
2013-07-27 12:15:27 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Popcorn Johnny: Yes, Colgate has two toothpaste production lines. One for tubes going to Walmart and one for everywhere else.

You're half right. Colgate has to change its formulas in order to meet Wal-Mart's demands.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/06/us-usa-consumer-walmart-id US TRE8250GM20120306

Companies often try to trim costs in ways that consumers will not notice. From 2007 to 2011, Colgate cut 36 percent of its formulas and 29 percent of the individual items it sells, or SKUs, according to Colgate-Palmolive Co (CL.N) Chief Executive Ian Cook. From 2008 until 2011, it reduced the number of fragrances it uses in various products by 26 percent.
This year, Colgate aims to trim another 5 percent of SKUs and fragrances and 3 percent more formulas, he said.


I love it when they're half right.
 
2013-07-27 12:25:10 PM  

wildcardjack: This company concentrates consumption as a lower cost then takes the profits out of the community. But be real, other than union grocery stores the rest of retail is working on getting employees to take 2/3 time jobs at minimum wage.


Not true at all.  Whole Foods (run by some nutty conservative) is non-union, yet the pay and bennies are so good people work hard to work they (I think you start getting health insurance once you're more than 20 hours a week).  Likewise, Trader Joe's, which is run by another branch of the same family who run Aldi's treats workers so well that even though they're always running around like squirrels on speed, I've yet to talk to one who didn't know exactly where what I needed was, and I've yet to see one who wasn't happy with what they're doing.

And that's just grocery stores, which are not an easy job to work; there are plenty of higher-end retail jobs were workers are treated and paid well.

LasersHurt: If your argument in defense of Wal-Mart is "they're successful, therefore correct, get over it," you're missing the point SOOOO HAAARD.


That seems to be the current, most common defense for any and all unfettered capitialism.
 
2013-07-27 12:27:38 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: And that's just grocery stores, which are not an easy job to work; there are plenty of higher-end retail jobs were workers are treated and paid well.


Sort of like how In N Out proved you don't have to pay workers slave wages to be successful at fast food.
 
2013-07-27 01:03:20 PM  

knowless: @Debeo Summa credo; I've only been in like three walmarts in my life, each one has between filthy with rude employees.. I don't understand the appeal of the place, it wasn't even cheaper then other comparable places..


In which part of the country do you live?

ITT, we've heard that walmart has filthy stores, rude employees, offers miserable shopping experiences, shoddy quality product, bad value, and pricing that can be beaten elsewhere. Also ITT, we've heard that their still making "record" profits. Those things don't add up.

If they really offer such shiatty service and value, don't shop there. They'll eventually go out of business and we can all be happy.
 
2013-07-27 01:03:49 PM  

ghare: meat0918: ghare: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Oh, definitely, the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service, and to not be subjected to the generally horrific experience is well worth it to me. Local businessmen get my money normally. Hell, I even get better-than-Wal-Mart pricing  frequently.

There is a new saying.

"I'm too poor to shop at Wal-Mart, because I always have to replace the cheap shiat I buy from there".

I got some shiatty Wal-Mart Levis that finally took it out of me a few years ago. Levis that fall apart? fark that.


Tangent time, i havent worn Levis for nearly 20 years, but I bought a couple pairs last year, not at Wal-Mart, but some other shiat store like kohl's or something. Both pairs fell apart within a few months. WTF?
 
2013-07-27 01:07:25 PM  

LordJiro: Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.

They wouldn't be in poverty if Walmart paid a living wage and didn't stiff them on hours, and didn't run the businesses that DO provide those things out of town.

But go ahead, keep blaming the victim


LOL. They're not victims. They willingly took a job at a certain wage. Don't be so stupid to believe that these people would e better off without their job at Walmart.
 
2013-07-27 01:25:50 PM  
 
2013-07-27 02:10:05 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: knowless: @Debeo Summa credo; I've only been in like three walmarts in my life, each one has between filthy with rude employees.. I don't understand the appeal of the place, it wasn't even cheaper then other comparable places..

In which part of the country do you live?

ITT, we've heard that walmart has filthy stores, rude employees, offers miserable shopping experiences, shoddy quality product, bad value, and pricing that can be beaten elsewhere. Also ITT, we've heard that their still making "record" profits. Those things don't add up.

If they really offer such shiatty service and value, don't shop there. They'll eventually go out of business and we can all be happy.


Dollar stores are huge as well. It must be due to quality and service.
 
2013-07-27 02:15:11 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: LordJiro: Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.

They wouldn't be in poverty if Walmart paid a living wage and didn't stiff them on hours, and didn't run the businesses that DO provide those things out of town.

But go ahead, keep blaming the victim

LOL. They're not victims. They willingly took a job at a certain wage. Don't be so stupid to believe that these people would e better off without their job at Walmart.


They'd be better off if WalMart actually paid the full cost of of their labor rather than shifting a portion of that cost to the taxpayer.
 
2013-07-27 02:24:53 PM  

OregonVet: Why not just raise minimum wage?


Because Walmart doesn't pay minimum wage anyway--they schedule employee shifts for exactly one hour less than a 'full-time' job. So people get screwed out of not only benefits and services, but their entire paycheck.

/And I think they've got a trick for overtime, but don't quote me there, I read that a loooong time ago back in my days of stealing my mother's books because I was bored...
 
2013-07-27 02:49:09 PM  

TheWhoppah: Walmart provides a 24 hour hotline for their employees... the hotline is staffed with social workers hired to arrange charity and public assistance for Walmart employees.  The hotline phone number is pasted in the employee break room and on little inserts that they put into the paycheck envelope.  Here is your pathetic paycheck and a phone number for the food pantry!


Walmart doesn't put paychecks in envelopes. They don't even use checks; they have a debit card checks are deposited to if the employee doesn't use driect deposit.
 
kab
2013-07-27 02:58:08 PM  
Man, this thread got the shills out in no time at all.
 
2013-07-27 03:00:31 PM  

kab: Man, this thread got the shills out in no time at all.


They were told one lucky shill would get to go on a date with one of the "Women of Walmart".
 
2013-07-27 03:07:40 PM  

jestme: Walmart doesn't put paychecks in envelopes. They don't even use checks; they have a debit card checks are deposited to if the employee doesn't use driect deposit.


...basically because they expect the employee to turn around and spend their (small) earnings at Walmart, as it's the only place they can afford to shop.
 
2013-07-27 03:19:15 PM  

Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.


Nope. Your generalizations don't mesh with reality.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t04.htm
 
2013-07-27 03:19:34 PM  
video?

aintnobodygottimeforthat.bmp
 
2013-07-27 03:27:04 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


Ladies and gentlemen: the celebration of being ignorant in one of the purest forms I've yet encountered.
 
2013-07-27 03:29:45 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: LOL. They're not victims. They willingly took a job at a certain wage. Don't be so stupid to believe that these people would e better off without their job at Walmart.


And thanks to that wage the entire US economy suffers. Plus WalMart gets to use welfare to subsidize itself.
 
2013-07-27 03:35:33 PM  
Fark Wal-Mart and Target.

Costco is the way to go, every single time. Cheap gas, great electronics, fantastic grocery selection, and things are always stocked, clean, neat, and the stores smell good. Also the employees are incredibly nice and helpful.
 
2013-07-27 03:36:51 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.

You have a citation for this tidbit?


Sure, just look at Starbucks, the other giant Mom & Pop killer.
 
2013-07-27 03:41:52 PM  

silvervial: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

I have never set foot in a Walmart and I don't even know where one is located in my vicinity.

Suck it.


hipster sez: "  i dont even know who this Walmart is; pass the latte"
 
2013-07-27 03:42:31 PM  

Fart_Machine: Dwight_Yeast: And that's just grocery stores, which are not an easy job to work; there are plenty of higher-end retail jobs were workers are treated and paid well.

Sort of like how In N Out proved you don't have to pay workers slave wages to be successful at fast food.


Ditto for Starbucks.  They pay above minimum wage, have health care and profit sharing.   In 2009 they made the Fortune's 100 best companies to work for (for the 11th time).

My sister worked for them and considered them a good employer.
 
2013-07-27 03:43:02 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: LOL. They're not victims. They willingly took a job at a certain wage. Don't be so stupid to believe that these people would e better off without their job at Walmart.


Sure. With a livable minimum wage ($20/hr or thereabouts) and a universal healthcare program, Wal-Mart employees might have a decent living for an american citizen.
 
2013-07-27 03:46:35 PM  

Ablejack: The My Little Pony Killer: meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.

You have a citation for this tidbit?

Sure, just look at Starbucks, the other giant Mom & Pop killer.


Except the reality is the exact opposite.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/hey_wait_a_minute/20 07 /12/dont_fear_starbucks.html
 
2013-07-27 03:55:33 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.

Yep, and people never lose their job after they have children through no fault of their own.


The concepts of time and "what happens next" are lost on people like the one you responded to. It's like the morans who may see someone using EBT at the grocery store, and then driving away in a late model (<5 years) car. It never occurs to them that the car may be paid off, and that the person using EBT may have lost their job after the fact. The car doesn't simply disappear once a person files for assistance, nor do the decent clothes, the flat panel tv, or anything else they owned prior to becoming unemployed. Kids work that way too, but of course the welfare WHHAAARRGARBL happens anyway.
 
2013-07-27 04:01:17 PM  

OgreMagi: Ablejack: The My Little Pony Killer: meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.

You have a citation for this tidbit?

Sure, just look at Starbucks, the other giant Mom & Pop killer.

Except the reality is the exact opposite.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/hey_wait_a_minute/20 07 /12/dont_fear_starbucks.html


Yeah, they (Starbucks) actually treat their employees pretty well too. I was being sarcastic as a tactic to argue against the claim that every store or shop is as crappy as Wal-Mart.
 
2013-07-27 04:23:45 PM  

12349876: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Some of us take more than price into account like a shopping experience that isn't shiatty.  Wal Mart has gotten shiatty to the point where it's gotten worse than farking KMart.  And I'm saying this as someone who enjoyed Wal Mart 15 years ago.


What does "enjoying" Wal-Mart entail?
 
2013-07-27 04:34:20 PM  
Walmart: We exploit cheap, communist chinese labor so you don't have to!


oh, and we jest loves America.  Freedom and all that.
 
2013-07-27 04:42:13 PM  

Atillathepun: Descartes: [www.meijer.com image 400x400]


When it's cheaper at Target, I'll buy it there.

It's cheaper to buy them fresh.  They taste better and are better for you.  They take less than 3 mins to cook.


All true. However, they have one severe drawback. Time. That is what made canning popular in the first place... the ability to "time-shift" what you eat.
 
2013-07-27 04:43:58 PM  
I shop at Cost-Co over Wal-Mart because A) the prices are comparable B) the employees are better paid and usually much friendlier and more helpful and C) I don't have to worry about buying subpar crap that's going to break down quickly.

They game the system as policy in order to maximize profits at everyone else's ultimate expense and I personally find that practice unsupportable and unsustainable in the long term.
 
2013-07-27 04:52:08 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale,

Yeah, you sound pretty poor.



as will you in a decade or two.  happy shopping!
 
2013-07-27 05:20:34 PM  

Ablejack: Yeah, they (Starbucks) actually treat their employees pretty well too. I was being sarcastic as a tactic to argue against the claim that every store or shop is as crappy as Wal-Mart.


The really funny thing about Charbucks is that despite their corporate behemoth overlord status, you can't hardly spit in Seattle without hitting a mom-and-pop espresso cart/business/empire.
 
2013-07-27 05:24:42 PM  

soup sandwich: silvervial: Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.

I have never set foot in a Walmart and I don't even know where one is located in my vicinity.

Suck it.

hipster sez: "  i dont even know who this Walmart is; pass the latte"


I went to a Walmart in St. Ann, MO a couple of times.. didn't enjoy either time.  After they sucked all the money out of St. Ann, and closed the mall across the street, they packed up and moved farther west into Bridgeton.  I've yet to visit the new location, or to bother figuring out exactly where it is.  They'll probably move again, after that town can't afford them anymore.
 
2013-07-27 05:27:02 PM  
Just got back from Walmart. Scored some good deals, including a couple of awesome looking Sirloins. Can't wait to enjoy them later on with a nice glass of Farker's tears.
 
2013-07-27 05:27:49 PM  

Ablejack: OgreMagi: Ablejack: The My Little Pony Killer: meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.

You have a citation for this tidbit?

Sure, just look at Starbucks, the other giant Mom & Pop killer.

Except the reality is the exact opposite.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/hey_wait_a_minute/20 07 /12/dont_fear_starbucks.html

Yeah, they (Starbucks) actually treat their employees pretty well too. I was being sarcastic as a tactic to argue against the claim that every store or shop is as crappy as Wal-Mart.


Sorry, my sarcasto-meter needs recalibration.
 
2013-07-27 05:57:23 PM  

YoOjo: The first second of that video scared me so I turned it off and won't watch it, seriously it sounded like a monster farting.


How do you know what that sounds like?
 
2013-07-27 06:25:36 PM  

whidbey: Ablejack: Yeah, they (Starbucks) actually treat their employees pretty well too. I was being sarcastic as a tactic to argue against the claim that every store or shop is as crappy as Wal-Mart.

The really funny thing about Charbucks is that despite their corporate behemoth overlord status, you can't hardly spit in Seattle without hitting a mom-and-pop espresso cart/business/empire.


And most of the those mom-and-pop outfits pay only minimum wage and offer zero benefits.  But the hipsters can sit in them drinking a latte that cost even more than the one a starbucks and biatch about how evil the large corporation is and how it enslaves the workers.

I'm not in Seattle, but the mom-and-pop shop I tried here is crap.  The mocha tastes like it was made with rancid milk.  I tried them twice, thinking the first time was an off day.  Nope.  The second one was rancid, too.  So now I drive an extra block to go to starbucks.
 
2013-07-27 06:33:36 PM  

rewind2846: The concepts of time and "what happens next" are lost on people like the one you responded to. It's like the morans who may see someone using EBT at the grocery store, and then driving away in a late model (<5 years) car. It never occurs to them that the car may be paid off, and that the person using EBT may have lost their job after the fact. The car doesn't simply disappear once a person files for assistance, nor do the decent clothes, the flat panel tv, or anything else they owned prior to becoming unemployed. Kids work that way too, but of course the welfare WHHAAARRGARBL happens anyway.


You're ignoring the people, some of whom are posting in this thread, who seriously believe the car, TV, and everything else of value owned previously should be sold off before collecting welfare of any kind.
 
2013-07-27 06:49:35 PM  
Americans love cheap shiat, and the cheaper and shiatier it is, the more they are in LOOOOVVVEEEE!
 
2013-07-27 07:04:11 PM  
Nobody cares if Wal-Mart workers are on welfare.  Close to half the country is not paying any federal income taxes to begin with, and at least that many are not paying any state taxes either.  Who cares if Wal-Mart workers are on welfare if you're helping pick up the tab for them and you still get to buy low priced shiat.
 
2013-07-27 07:05:13 PM  

cchris_39: Nobody cares if Wal-Mart workers are on welfare.  Close to half the country is not paying any federal income taxes to begin with, and at least that many are not paying any state taxes either.  Who cares if Wal-Mart workers are on welfare if you're helping pick up the tab for them and you still get to buy low priced shiat.


Basically, the people who have to pay increased taxes to cover the walmart shortfall don't generally shop at walmart.
 
2013-07-27 07:19:29 PM  
cchris_39:blah...blah....blah.....low priced shiat.

Shiat.
 
2013-07-27 07:34:07 PM  
Not a huge fan myself, but I"d say there's a hell of a lot more than five defenders of the top retailer in the world....
 
2013-07-27 07:36:56 PM  

OgreMagi: I'm not in Seattle, but the mom-and-pop shop I tried here is crap.



You're too far down geographically. The quality tends to diminish.
 
2013-07-27 08:28:56 PM  
So, what's the downside of Wal Mart paying their workers a few bucks more? Obviously, schadenfreude seems to be a motive for some to shop there, but that's not something that motivates most people.
 
2013-07-27 08:37:22 PM  
tenpoundsofcheese:
  Walmart's Earnings Per Share is much higher than Costco. (5.07 vs. 4.54)

So tell me again, how Costco is getting more out of their workers?


So if Costco did a 1:2 reverse stock split to double their EPS, they would instantly be "getting more out of their workers"?
 
2013-07-27 08:40:07 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Just got back from Walmart. Scored some good deals, including a couple of awesome looking Sirloins. Can't wait to enjoy them later on with a nice glass of Farker's tears.


It sucks that you're so poor you eat meat from Walmart.  Don't worry man, it will get better.
 
2013-07-27 08:55:42 PM  

balloot: It sucks that you're so poor you eat meat from Walmart.  Don't worry man, it will get better.


Want to compare bank accounts?
 
2013-07-27 09:27:09 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: balloot: It sucks that you're so poor you eat meat from Walmart.  Don't worry man, it will get better.

Want to compare bank accounts?


I forgive you.  I'd get all pissy and defensive too if I was eating meat from Walmart for dinner.
 
2013-07-27 10:00:19 PM  
Re: "Chinese products" referred to in TFA.  Do they mean iphones, lenovo computers, stuff like that?  Whenever I hear someone act like 'chinese made = crap', I think back to when we felt that way about Japanese stuff, then Korean stuff.

/Russian stuff remains crap forever.
 
2013-07-27 10:09:56 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Selena Luna: Over time, it costs considerably more. When the only clothes I could afford were WalMart clothes, I was replacing them all the time. I can afford better clothes now and they last much longer. I realize this is an anecdote, but it's also the case with most of the crap. Your money doesn't go further there.

Most of what Walmart sells is the same as what you would find at any other store. There are some exceptions, especially with electronics where companies will make models specifically for Walmart so they can offer them at lower prices. As for consumables, brand name clothes and most other things, you're getting the same thing you would at other stores. Walmart is able to offer the items at a lower price because they buy in such bulk.


Ah, I see you have no idea what you're talking about.  Judging by what you post in this thread in general, it's little surprise.

Walmart has succeeded in getting a large number of major brands to produce cut-rate and much reduced quality versions of their products in order to sell on Walmart's shelves, in order to make Walmart's pricing demands.  Levis is one of them.  Same with brands of lawnmowers, electronics, and many other things.  You simply cannot be assured you are buying the same quality good in a Walmart as you are elsewhere simply because the brand is the same.

Whether in the long run this erodes the public's faith in these brands will be interesting to see.  Certainly Walmart itself doesn't care.
 
2013-07-27 10:12:14 PM  
 
2013-07-27 10:23:49 PM  

OgreMagi: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Same with brands of lawnmowers

But not Snapper!

http://www.fastcompany.com/54763/man-who-said-no-wal-mart


This is one of my favorite stories ever, and I highly recommend it to anybody that hasn't read it yet. If you already have, read it again.
 
2013-07-27 10:26:39 PM  

meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.


As the manager of four retail establishments right now... you couldn't be more wrong. Not a single person on my payroll makes minimum wage, nobody who has been there for more than a year makes less than 10 an hour, everyone has the option of opting in to the health insurance, and I have never once asked someone to work off the clock... to be more to the point, I would fire any manager who asked employees to work off the clock, and I would write up any employee who did so without a managers knowledge. I am considerate in scheduling, and I have never done (what I had done to me) any schedules that had people involuntarily working clopens, or arbitrarily put people in departments or areas where I felt their personal skillset was better utilized elsewhere. I have never used profanity to describe another employee, I have never once even considered paying someone of a different gender differently based on that.

More than just actions though, there is a deeper difference between how I operate and how some big-box stores operate. I'm a firm believer that people live up to, or down to, expectations. I pay more because I want employees who know that the job their doing is worth more, that they are worth more. When I was lower on the totem pole, I did not understand how managers expected people to look out for the companies best interest when nobody was looking out for theirs... as a manager, I still don't, so I try my best to look out for peoples best interest, and to help them. Sometimes that means little things like switching schedules so someone can have the same days off as a loved one... other times it means buying someone a cheap bike so they can get to and from work more easily. The thing is, for all the talk of "teamwork" and "values" that saturate those shiatty stores... they don't value employees, and management could give two shiats about you (how's that for a teammate).

With respect to buying and pressuring buyers... I turn the screws for products made in America... I go out of my way to explain supply chain management and transportation cost delays (e.g. when we ran out of facemasks this winter for weeks in a row) such that buyers understand that saving a few pennies per unit isn't worth the overall cost of having a months-long kink in our supply chain when we need stuff *now.* Wal-Mart is... a prime case for this... they understaff their stores, they under-buy their quotas (as evidenced by the numerous claims in this thread of baron shelves)... they've cut costs to the point that they are ready to weather any bad storm... they're ready for bad days... but they aren't at all ready to succeed... they lack the personnel, the product, and the know-how to actually have any kind of decent impact beyond their incessant normal slow growth of capitalizing on the people with the lowest disposable incomes. The reality for Wal-Mart is that they leave money on the table because their mentality is that it doesn't matter... they don't care that on a good day, if they saw an uptick of say 30% traffic lasting a couple weeks... they don't care if customers can't get service, can't find product, or whatever... they don't see that opportunity cost as a loss... all they focus on is what product actually moved. It may not bite them in the ass now, but eventually it will. Fortunately, the void is easy to fill... mom and pop stores will start up again as Wal-Mart falters, and contrary to the assessment of the blow-hards, the downfall of Wall-mart will not be detrimental to the rest of the economy at all, the jobs will just be in more, smaller, more agile (in the business sense) stores that actually respond to customer needs.
 
2013-07-27 11:37:12 PM  

Brostorm: pueblonative: Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.

Having children is evil?  Wow, that really puts a spin on the whole pro-life movement in this country.  Those people are farking satanists!  Or maybe it's the poor decision making.  Well, if they made the wrong choice, then the decision should be to give them more choices, now, isn't it.  You know, maybe a way to control when they have the birth of a child to a more fortunate time when they can fully afford the expense.  Cause clearly they can't go up and demand a raise, now, can they?  What was that saying, "A communist is any son of a biatch who wants a quarter when we're paying a dime!"

Children born in poverty are worse off than crack babies, subjecting a child to a life of poverty is evil.


So Jesus' parents were the most evil motherfarkers on the planet?
 
2013-07-27 11:40:10 PM  

firefly212: meanmutton: Every other store you shop at has employment practices effectively the same as WalMart.

As the manager of four retail establishments right now...


Too long (but I did read).

I like to go to small shops when feasible.  For example, I bought my vacuum at a local mom and pop store.  It was expensive, but I wanted a high end vacuum because the box store model I bought pooped out after a year.  It simple could not handle a household with three cats.  So I spent the big bucks on a high end product, a Riccar, after the shop owner gave me his sells pitch (which was simply listing its features and warranty).  It has a lifetime guarantee.  It also, at no extra charge, includes yearly maintenance provided by this little shop.  A friend with even more furry pets borrowed my vacuum.  The next week he went to that same shop and bought an even higher end model of the same brand.

The big box stores, and especially Walmart, do not provide that kind of service.  They want you to buy something and get the hell out, only to return when you need to buy more stuff.  I'm not completely against the big stores.  Whenever I need to get casual clothes, I pop over to Target for Wrangler jeans and polo shirts, but never for anything fancy.
 
2013-07-28 12:16:09 AM  

pueblonative: Brostorm: pueblonative: Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.

Having children is evil?  Wow, that really puts a spin on the whole pro-life movement in this country.  Those people are farking satanists!  Or maybe it's the poor decision making.  Well, if they made the wrong choice, then the decision should be to give them more choices, now, isn't it.  You know, maybe a way to control when they have the birth of a child to a more fortunate time when they can fully afford the expense.  Cause clearly they can't go up and demand a raise, now, can they?  What was that saying, "A communist is any son of a biatch who wants a quarter when we're paying a dime!"

Children born in poverty are worse off than crack babies, subjecting a child to a life of poverty is evil.

So Jesus' parents were the most evil motherfarkers on the planet?


He ranks right up here with Bruce Waynes parents, they weren't real.http://articles.philly.com/2013-07-22/news/40709969_1_hallam-hur t-so-c alled-crack-babies-funded-study
 
2013-07-28 12:49:20 AM  

pueblonative: Brostorm: pueblonative: Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.  Ye, I get it, Walmart is evil.  These people would not be in poverty i they did not have children they could not afford, Walmart isn't forcing them to have children.

Having children is evil?  Wow, that really puts a spin on the whole pro-life movement in this country.  Those people are farking satanists!  Or maybe it's the poor decision making.  Well, if they made the wrong choice, then the decision should be to give them more choices, now, isn't it.  You know, maybe a way to control when they have the birth of a child to a more fortunate time when they can fully afford the expense.  Cause clearly they can't go up and demand a raise, now, can they?  What was that saying, "A communist is any son of a biatch who wants a quarter when we're paying a dime!"

Children born in poverty are worse off than crack babies, subjecting a child to a life of poverty is evil.

So Jesus' parents were the most evil motherfarkers on the planet?


In all fairness, Jesus was a rape baby, and our country was constructed by people who pay homage to the rapist.
 
2013-07-28 01:25:58 AM  

HeartBurnKid: SkorzenyNinja: They get about $10.50-$11 an hour I believe, full time with health insurance and all after five years with the company.

It took 5 years to get to that point?  Sorry, but she got gypped.  I work in an inbound call center for a hotel chain, and our reps hit that point within 90 days.

/they start out full time at $10 an hour
//after 90 days, they get health insurance and a $0.50 raise
///and then they get performance bonuses on top of that


I went to an Aldi's today, for the first time. There was a sign out front said they're hiring at $12 an hour. When I went in to shop, the employees were working really hard. Damn, that is a bare-bones place, but it's definitely cheap, and the poor people do shop there.
 
2013-07-28 01:28:17 AM  

rewind2846: The concepts of time and "what happens next" are lost on people like the one you responded to. It's like the morans who may see someone using EBT at the grocery store, and then driving away in a late model (<5 years) car. It never occurs to them that the car may be paid off, and that the person using EBT may have lost their job after the fact. The car doesn't simply disappear once a person files for assistance, nor do the decent clothes, the flat panel tv, or anything else they owned prior to becoming unemployed. Kids work that way too, but of course the welfare WHHAAARRGARBL happens anyway.


clearly nice cars, flat-panel TVs and luxury phones/clothes are way more important than having a rainy-day fund.  People should just buy whatever they can afford from check to check and then shake the tin cup the moment they lose their job or something changes.
 
2013-07-28 01:37:13 AM  

Sergeant Grumbles: You're ignoring the people, some of whom are posting in this thread, who seriously believe the car, TV, and everything else of value owned previously should be sold off before collecting welfare of any kind.


When someone is living paycheck to paycheck, the logical thing to do when they come into a little extra money is to squirrel it away for an emergency.  a $1k TV retail might be sold for $2-300 depending on condition.  The better choice would be to buy a basic TV used and put $900 away to cover for an emergency.

liberals call it "fending for yourself"
Conservatives call it 'being an adult"
 
2013-07-28 01:41:05 AM  
buzzcut73:

I quit going to Wal-Mart for groceries a few years ago when I started to realize that the prices at the Albertson's that was was closer to my the house I lived in were the same on pretty much everything, and they had better produce and meat than I could find at Wal Mart, all without the aggravation of standing in a 10 deep line like I would be at Wally World. Seriously, I challenge those that shop at Wal Mart for everything to really sit down and do a price comparison between WM and some other store, and you'll find your saving very little, if you are saving at all.

After that, I started looking at other things. Tools, etc can be purchased from my local or regional chain hardware store for not much more than I would pay at WMT, but the quality of the tool is better. When I needed a water pump for the swamp cooler, I found a more powerful pump with a one year warranty at the local plumbing/HVAC store that came with a one year warranty for the same price that WMT wanted for a less powerful, more cheaply made one with a 60 day warranty...the list goes on and on.

I am not a well off guy. Far from it, in fact. I save wherever I can, and I've found that Wal Mart, most times, does not save me any money at all, and cos ...


This and add to it the experiences my ex-husband and former sister-in-law had while employed there. My now ex was employed by one of the warehouses for $12/hr, which at the time was a decent wage. He was hired for 36 hrs/week which would have made him full-time by their standards and eligible for benefits. He worked 3-12 hr shifts. His managers would break the employees backs on Friday and Saturday and have them put in 14 hrs instead of the 12 and then on Sunday they would send them home just a few hours after the shift started because they finished all the work early. This bumped him down to 32 hours/week and then not eligible for benefits because he was no longer considered full-time. Staying longer on Sunday to get the hours was not an option.

Also, they had a stupid thing at the beginning of each shift called the Walmart chant.

My former sis-in-law worked at Wal-mart for $6/hr. Her schedule varied so some weeks she would be at 40 but others at 15. At that time, they averaged out your hours and that determined whether you would be full-time or not. During the entire time she worked for them, she qualified for WIC and both her kids were on Healthwave (KS insurance for children). She could not afford the company insurance for herself.
 
2013-07-28 01:42:15 AM  

meat0918: ghare: Popcorn Johnny: ghare: Unemployed, or on disability?

I'm on the higher end of the average Farker pay scale, that doesn't mean I'm not going to shop smart. If you feel superior by paying more for what you buy, rock on with your bad self

Oh, definitely, the few extra dollars I pay for higher quality merchandise, and better service, and to not be subjected to the generally horrific experience is well worth it to me. Local businessmen get my money normally. Hell, I even get better-than-Wal-Mart pricing  frequently.

There is a new saying.

"I'm too poor to shop at Wal-Mart, because I always have to replace the cheap shiat I buy from there".


See also the Sam Vimes Theory of Economic Injustice.
 
2013-07-28 02:14:14 AM  

iq_in_binary: Lsherm: I Like Bread: Kazrath: You raise minimum wage and the price of stuff goes up immediately.

Anyone who condones this is a corporatist shill. The average CEO:worker pay ratio has gone from about 5:1 to 500:1 in the past 50 years. Their profits are higher and their taxes are lower than they've ever been. The idea that higher wages must come out of OUR pockets, not those of executives who are strangling their own companies, is indefensible. Still, conservatives have successfully created this big lie that capitalists are forces of nature, that their actions may not be opposed, and that any effort to ease the burden on the lower class actually HURTS them in the long run because the upper class have the power and influence to pass the buck.

Even though executive compensation is grossly out of proportion with what is deserved, you couldn't fund a minimum wage hike with their compensation.  It's not enough.

What?

Yes you could, here's how you do it, you progressively tax the shiat out of all compensation. Want to make more than, oh say $400k/year? You're paying 90% on every dollar to uncle Sam. All of a sudden it's no longer feasible to pay yourself more than $400k, the money is instead reinvested into either the company or compensating other employees. That's how we became the powerhouse of the world all through the 50's, 60's and 70's. EVERYBODY could make a good living, not just the lucky few in the top quintile.


You're quite possibly the stupidest person I've ever seen post on Fark.

Vested stock options, you idiot.
 
2013-07-28 02:14:24 AM  

Brostorm: People that work at walmart tend to have made poor decisions, like having kids they could not afford.


Abstinence-only edumakashun!  Defund Planned Parenthood!
 
2013-07-28 02:15:09 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Walmart has succeeded in getting a large number of major brands to produce cut-rate and much reduced quality versions of their products in order to sell on Walmart's shelves


Well wrong, but keep derping.
 
2013-07-28 02:49:16 AM  
Wal-Marts is one of the reason why some business fail but it's not The Reason why. Like:

1 Poor business decisions.
2 Little or no managerial and/or financial skills.
3 Little or no research on what type of business they're getting themselves into. And of course
4 Bad location.

Also most of the Mom and Pop stores and small business are just as bad as Wal-Marts when dealing with their employees. Mom and Pop stores are very notorious with price gouging and when a Wal-Marts opens near that area guess what happens. Karma is a b*tch.
 
2013-07-28 03:17:14 AM  

o5iiawah: rewind2846: The concepts of time and "what happens next" are lost on people like the one you responded to. It's like the morans who may see someone using EBT at the grocery store, and then driving away in a late model (<5 years) car. It never occurs to them that the car may be paid off, and that the person using EBT may have lost their job after the fact. The car doesn't simply disappear once a person files for assistance, nor do the decent clothes, the flat panel tv, or anything else they owned prior to becoming unemployed. Kids work that way too, but of course the welfare WHHAAARRGARBL happens anyway.

clearly nice cars, flat-panel TVs and luxury phones/clothes are way more important than having a rainy-day fund.  People should just buy whatever they can afford from check to check and then shake the tin cup the moment they lose their job or something changes.


Because you know for a fact that they don't.
 
2013-07-28 05:03:11 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: I shop there at least a few times a month, suck it.


With Super Walmart, we can go there for our every want and need. Me and the little lady go there weekly to get groceries, household cleaning products, charcoal (grilling season), they've got computer accessories, tablet, smart phones and smart phone accessories, I bought my Season 14 South Park DVDs there, we got our Betta there, cat food, litter, I got my smoker there, prescriptions and otc allergy meds, jeans, shoes, night stand, dressers, knives, rifle, ammo, Paula Deen(tm) brand caste iron skillet, silverware, glasses, mason jars, bed sheets, bath towels, flat screen television, they're the only store around that sells kumquats (an acquired taste, but I like 'em), and,  they sell local VA beer and wine.

Walmart: why go anywhere else when you can get it there?
 
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