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(The New York Times)   US informs Russia that since it doesn't officially torture or kill prisoners, Snowden has no claim to asylum   (nytimes.com ) divider line
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2013-07-28 01:06:48 AM  

m00: Syria doesn't torture criminals. Syria may subject them to treatment that would appear to be torture, such as torturing them to death, but it's not part of their sentence so it's not torture.

Just pointing out the logical flaw there. :p


It's not a logical flaw - that's a crucial part of the definition of torture. If the actions in question aren't being done as part of a punishment or interrogation, or out of some other hostile intent directed towards the inmates in question, then it can't really be considered "torture".
 
2013-07-28 02:16:15 AM  

stoli n coke: Benevolent Misanthrope: kronicfeld: Except the headline is not what the U.S. actually said.

FTFA: Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said in a letter sent to the Russian minister of justice this week that the United States would not seek the death penalty against Edward J. Snowden, and would issue him a passport immediately so he could travel back to the United States.

The letter also offered reassurances that the United States would not torture Mr. Snowden, the former intelligence contractor who faces criminal charges of disclosing classified information and has been hiding in an airport in Moscow in order to evade the American authorities.


"We believe these assurances eliminate these asserted grounds for Mr. Snowden's claim that he should be treated as a refugee or granted asylum, temporary or otherwise," Mr. Holder said in the letter, which was sent to Justice Minister Aleksandr V. Konovalov.

So yes - you are correct.  Basically what the letter said is, "Okay, we won't do to him what we're famous for doing to people we hold without trial for years on end, under the blanket excuse that they're not real soldier in our delcared "War", so they don't have any protections against us.  But in this case, we won't.  SRSLY.  Pinky-swear, really, mean it.

So.... we're cool, right?"

Dear Russia:

Please don't listen to them, and please don't accept their legal side-stepping.  They intend to torture the everloving f*ck out of Edward Snowden, if in no other way than making the rest of his life a living hell in whatever prison they choose for him.  The US is not trustworthy, as their behavior in their little self-proclaimed "War on Terror" has proven over the last 12 years.  Stand up to them.

Love,

Benevolent Misanthrope


The U.S. is not trustworthy, but a country with a president who looks and behaves like a real-life Bond villain with a history of disappearing people to Siberian prisons forever is trustworthy? For all we know, Putin has a sable cage named "Asylum" ...


You're right Russia is even worse than what the US has become and Putin makes Dick Cheney look like a Red Cross volunteer. Putin is not really concerned with Snowden's welfare but he sees an opportunity to stick it to the US. Also, maybe Snowden knows things Putin would like to know.
 
2013-07-28 03:12:02 AM  

Biological Ali: m00: Syria doesn't torture criminals. Syria may subject them to treatment that would appear to be torture, such as torturing them to death, but it's not part of their sentence so it's not torture.

Just pointing out the logical flaw there. :p

It's not a logical flaw - that's a crucial part of the definition of torture. If the actions in question aren't being done as part of a punishment or interrogation, or out of some other hostile intent directed towards the inmates in question, then it can't really be considered "torture".


It was how the Torture Memos got started, so it's a very VERY critical part of the definition. And yes, when someone claims asylum, it does in fact become part of the consideration. You should know by now I rarely say things just to hear myself talk.
 
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