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2013-07-26 03:15:41 PM

TuteTibiImperes: The best solutions are the ones that combine touch screen, steering wheel controls, and physical knobs/buttons.  I can control my volume, track/preset skip, phone, voice control, etc, with the steering wheel; fan speed, vent settings, and temperature are all controlled with knobs; and navigation, deep audio settings (bass/treble/balance/fade/etc), vehicle settings, browsing through Sirius, and other features that benefit from a reconfigurable screen are all on the touch screen.

Different input methods are better for different things.  The most commonly used features can go on the steering wheel, the next most common get physical buttons, and the settings that won't be changed often get a touch-screen layout page.  It saves on button clutter and makes for excellent usability.


I can see how what you're describing can keep there from being a million and one buttons and knobs on the center console, but I just can't stand the buttons on the steering wheel. I don't know why it bothers me so much - it certainly isn't functional considerations - but I just can't seem to drive comfortably in a vehicle with it.
 
2013-07-26 03:17:21 PM
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2013-07-26 03:18:13 PM
Watch as the hipsters from 20 years from now flock to CDs.
 
2013-07-26 03:18:29 PM
Yet AM radio will keep living on.
 
2013-07-26 03:19:54 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I can control my volume, track/preset skip, phone, voice control, etc, with the steering wheel; fan speed, vent settings, and temperature are all controlled with knobs;


Personally, I hate button-based volume controls; knobs are where it's at. Every button volume controller I've used is either too slow to respond if you're like "OMG LOUD SONG MY EARS" or too finicky. I'm much rather have a knob-based volume control and put the temperature controllers on the steering wheel.

Fuggin Bizzy: ...and the outside temperature on the dash.

Not knocking your preference, but as someone who never understood the use of that.... why? :-) Is it so you have an approximation of how much you have to worry about snow/ice on the road or something like that?
 
2013-07-26 03:20:47 PM
I May Be Crazy But...,
TuteTibiImperes: The best solutions are the ones that combine touch screen, steering wheel controls, and physical knobs/buttons. I can control my volume, track/preset skip, phone, voice control, etc, with the steering wheel; fan speed, vent settings, and temperature are all controlled with knobs; and navigation, deep audio settings (bass/treble/balance/fade/etc), vehicle settings, browsing through Sirius, and other features that benefit from a reconfigurable screen are all on the touch screen.
Different input methods are better for different things. The most commonly used features can go on the steering wheel, the next most common get physical buttons, and the settings that won't be changed often get a touch-screen layout page. It saves on button clutter and makes for excellent usability.
I can see how what you're describing can keep there from being a million and one buttons and knobs on the center console, but I just can't stand the buttons on the steering wheel. I don't know why it bothers me so much - it certainly isn't functional considerations - but I just can't seem to drive comfortably in a vehicle with it.


I could see a HUD display used in combination with steering wheel to effectively what touch screen fails at, assuming some patent troll isn't effectively blocking such ideas.

/Then again, be careful what you wish for, next we will have people reading books or emails on the HUD.
 
2013-07-26 03:21:03 PM
Not much for the paint job or neon personally, but this car has a killer CD changer:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmLUMxT6G2I#t=58s
 
2013-07-26 03:21:09 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: but I just can't stand the buttons on the steering wheel. I don't know why it bothers me so much - it certainly isn't functional considerations - but I just can't seem to drive comfortably in a vehicle with it.


I get all stabby when I drive my wifes car because there's no volume control on the steering wheel.  Makin' me have to extend my right arm is way to much effort...
 
2013-07-26 03:21:28 PM
Haven't used my cd player in years since i replaced mp3s burned to a disc with my phone plugged into the auxilliary port to listen to my mp3s, pandora or tuneinradio.

My mothers 2004 toyota still has a factory dual cd/cassette deck
 
2013-07-26 03:22:31 PM
Cuz mp3's sound AWESOME!!

/not
 
2013-07-26 03:22:36 PM

Fubegra: Watch as the hipsters from 20 years from now flock to CDs.


That is brilliant and frustrating all at once.
 
2013-07-26 03:23:41 PM
bingethinker: My 2001 Civic has a single-slot CD player. I think it was standard equipment.

Nope. I have a 2002 Civic that was graciously gifted to me by my parents when they got a new car, and my stock stereo had no CD player and a tape deck. :-)

The head unit did, however, know how to control aftermarket CD players, and my parents installed one. When that went kaput I put in an aftermarket stereo which is much more complicated and has a sucky clock, but does have an aux input (without using a tape adapter, which I've always thought was terrible).

/Possibly a CD player could have been standard on one of the fancier models though; mine's the basic 4-door sedan (DX?).
 
2013-07-26 03:27:57 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: TuteTibiImperes: The best solutions are the ones that combine touch screen, steering wheel controls, and physical knobs/buttons.  I can control my volume, track/preset skip, phone, voice control, etc, with the steering wheel; fan speed, vent settings, and temperature are all controlled with knobs; and navigation, deep audio settings (bass/treble/balance/fade/etc), vehicle settings, browsing through Sirius, and other features that benefit from a reconfigurable screen are all on the touch screen.

Different input methods are better for different things.  The most commonly used features can go on the steering wheel, the next most common get physical buttons, and the settings that won't be changed often get a touch-screen layout page.  It saves on button clutter and makes for excellent usability.

I can see how what you're describing can keep there from being a million and one buttons and knobs on the center console, but I just can't stand the buttons on the steering wheel. I don't know why it bothers me so much - it certainly isn't functional considerations - but I just can't seem to drive comfortably in a vehicle with it.


Some are better designed than others.  I like this layout:

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The buttons are there, within easy thumb reach while steering, but not in the way when you're not trying to push them.

Something like this doesn't look as ergonomic to me:

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The phone and voice control buttons in particular being so far down on the wheel, it looks like you'd have to contort your hand awkwardly to hit them.

Chrysler does something interesting and puts some of the controls on the back of the steering wheel, where you can't see them, but you can easily flick them with your finger while your hands are on the wheel.  Ergonomically I'm not sure how I feel about that, I mean, they're in easy reach, but at the same time, having hidden buttons seems like a bad idea on the surface.  They're probably easy to get the hang of if you own a vehicle with them though.
 
2013-07-26 03:28:06 PM

fireclown: Fubegra: Watch as the hipsters from 20 years from now flock to CDs.

That is brilliant and frustrating all at once.


cassettes though, nobody likes those things
 
2013-07-26 03:28:53 PM

evaned: I May Be Crazy But...: Reading the comments here, I'm way, WAY behind the times, apparently. I use CDs when I'm driving. And before I got a girlfriend/wife who comes with me on long trips and messes up the order, I had it nearly memorized so I could switch without taking my eyes off the road for more than a half second. (Yeah, poor me, right?) It works great for me, and I don't have to invest in some sort of iPod.

I was in your shoes for a while, but for a couple of reasons the "hook my phone up" is way more convenient. (E.g. there's not really much of anywhere to put CDs within arm's reach of the driver.) No bluetooth use yet though; was too cheap to buy a bluetooth-capable stereo when my decade-old, trunk-mount CD changer crapped out.


I've used my wife's iPod in her car (and mine with one of those radio do-dads). It's a pain in the ass to get what I want on it. The thing seems to be designed so you can get what you want easily if you're looking at it. Which is, of course, the one thing I'm not about to do while I'm driving. I guess I go lucky with the layout of my truck - there's a really convenient spot for me to put a CD case and a canteen of water. It's amazing how nice my truck is for long trips.

evaned: From the crazy position of actually never having used a GPS nav system personally, there are a bunch of benefits to them. (There are a bunch of drawbacks too; in particular, maps give a better overall picture if they are at the right scale.) You can't really use maps while driving, while GPSs are at least possible to use safely if you don't actually mess with them and just use them for turn-by-turn directions. Maps also are fixed at a single scale, and a road atlas only gives maps at one scale for most of the country, very rarely more than two, and I've never seen one with more than three. (I guess you can add 1 to those numbers if you count, say, the big whole-US map that's probably at the start.) GPSs have a much broader range of knowledge, knowing about local roads across very wide scales.


I've used maps on all my long trips and never had a problem with the drawbacks you mention. I just pull over and spread it on the hood if I need to figure out where I am when I'm in the middle of the road (and smile and wave at the folks flying past looking at me like I'm a crazy man). For turn by turn directions, I keep a pad of paper around to write the basics on (in neat print so I can read it at a glance) and just writing it seems to make me memorize it for anything but the most complicated stuff. For local directions far from home, I just ask people. That's what locals are for - directions and food recommendations.

I guess it also doesn't hurt that I have a stack of over 30 maps in my truck. A few overview type ones, then the states I've driven through recently, and last some city maps. I also have a couple recreation type maps that mark all the State Parks in a state, that sort of thing. When I'm up for camping, it makes it easy to find a place to sleep.
 
2013-07-26 03:31:49 PM

falcon176: fireclown: Fubegra: Watch as the hipsters from 20 years from now flock to CDs.

That is brilliant and frustrating all at once.

cassettes though, nobody likes those things


I would assume, although there is a weird love out there for vinyl.
 
Ant
2013-07-26 03:32:48 PM
I want something like this, but I want to be able to pop the tablet out so the crackheads don't break my windows to get it.
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2013-07-26 03:33:25 PM

Honest Bender: My pickup just has an AM/FM radio.  No joke. Not even a tape deck.

/I drive in silence, mostly.


you need one of those adaptors so you can tune in your radio in to your mp3 player.

Pretty handy if you have no aux jack or cassete player
 
2013-07-26 03:33:33 PM

muck4doo: Yet AM radio will keep living on.


What else am I going to listen to right-wing idiots on? I mean, my wife can listen to me (I'm an idiot, but not right-wing) but I've got nothing.

Also it's nice for when there's flashing signs telling you to tune to 610 for highway information and there's a report with more static than information. "...Kshh Kssshhh Highway Ksh Ksh Ksh die terribly Ksshhh Ksshh..."
 
2013-07-26 03:34:14 PM
Well my 2000 Cavalier is for sale in case anyone still wants one...
 
2013-07-26 03:35:14 PM
First car I ever owned had only an AM radio and the second one, the one I drive now, has only an AM/FM radio with cassette, guess now I can upgrade to one with a CD player since they are now out of date.

Yeah, I buy and then drive used cars into the ground (and well maybe a little more) so sue me.
 
2013-07-26 03:35:20 PM
The first time I drove a car that had USB in the armrest and in-dash controls/monitor displaying track info, I was hooked. That was about 3 or 4 years ago.

I'm walking around with 7,000 goddamn songs on my phone. Songs I spent decades collecting, storing, preserving and (finally) encoding. Why in god's holy name would I want to listen to farking radio ever again? Or mess around with 3.5-inch media and jewel cases?

/can't wait for my drive home
//even if it is friday rush hour
 
2013-07-26 03:38:31 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Some are better designed than others.  I like this layout:

The buttons are there, within easy thumb reach while steering, but not in the way when you're not trying to push them.


Nope. fark that. The reasoning, gadget happy part of my mind says that looks great. But emotionally, that's abhorrent to me.
 
2013-07-26 03:38:59 PM

my herniated disc: Honest Bender: My pickup just has an AM/FM radio.  No joke. Not even a tape deck.

/I drive in silence, mostly.

you need one of those adaptors so you can tune in your radio in to your mp3 player.

Pretty handy if you have no aux jack or cassete player


That is what I have. Maybe you have had better luck, but I have used mine and I swear it sounded like the 80s driving across the farmland of Kansas trying to hear a station in a city 150 miles away.

And then you pass a semi and FFFFFFFFFFFFFFHASDRQWDJFSVNADFHFFAFASDFATTTTTTTT

or you pass another car and all of a sudden you are listening to the Backstreet Boys

SUCKS
 
2013-07-26 03:39:06 PM
i have a 6-disc in-dash factory scion (pioneer) unit in my 05 xb

it works great, and plays mp3 cds. problem is i have only about 20 cds now...sold the majority (some 1200 cds) and all my dvds about 3 years ago. and i'm rarely buying new cds. almost never. bought the new ac/dc "black ice" when it came out, and now i'm anxiously awaiting my buddy's band to release their new cd next month (shameless plug: www.jasonhelmsband.com )

i don't have a smart phone. i have an awesome little 4gb sansa clip mp3 player (with a 4gb micro sd card added, so 8gb). most of the music on it is essentially rented, using my rhapsody subscription, so it can't be burned to a cd.

i have no auxilary jack to plug the mp3 player into, and i have a lot of trouble in the dfw metroplex trying to find an empty radio frequency to play an fm adapter thru.

do you farkers know if it's possible for a place like cartoys to wire in an aux jack to the factory stereo?
 
2013-07-26 03:39:32 PM
I have a flash drive with about 250 albums on it.  I love it.
 
Ant
2013-07-26 03:43:50 PM

WhoopAssWayne: According to ebay, my remaining eight-track collection of the village people, foreigner, and fleetwood mac is worth like $10 now. So I've got that going for me.

//Remember how the players would sometimes eat the cassettes and you'd spend seemingly forever pulling out magnetic tape? Pepperidge Farm remembers.


Things I remember about 8-tracks:

Ka-chunk!
Songs in the wrong farking order
 
2013-07-26 03:46:21 PM
A CD player in your car?  How delightfully quaint!
 
2013-07-26 03:47:00 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: I've used my wife's iPod in her car (and mine with one of those radio do-dads). It's a pain in the ass to get what I want on it. The thing seems to be designed so you can get what you want easily if you're looking at it. Which is, of course, the one thing I'm not about to do while I'm driving. I guess I go lucky with the layout of my truck - there's a really convenient spot for me to put a CD case and a canteen of water. It's amazing how nice my truck is for long trips.


I sort of agree, but sort of feel like you do when you talked about having the CD order organized. I can do a fair bit of stuff without looking at all, and the remainder only requires a few quick glances off of the screen. It  does seem like I play stuff that appears at the beginning or end of the list more often than other things, though. :-)

I May Be Crazy But...: For turn by turn directions, I keep a pad of paper around to write the basics on (in neat print so I can read it at a glance) and just writing it seems to make me memorize it for anything but the most complicated stuff. For local directions far from home, I just ask people. That's what locals are for - directions and food recommendations.


I do exactly the same thing; in fact, I just did a few hours ago. But this doesn't cover all cases. What if there's an accident or other detour and you have to go off your route that you copied? Especially if you don't like talking to people. :-) (Or it's 2am.)

I May Be Crazy But...: I guess it also doesn't hurt that I have a stack of over 30 maps in my truck. A few overview type ones, then the states I've driven through recently, and last some city maps.


The city maps would be nice. I tend to go with an atlas, and used to carry around larger state maps for some states in my glove box but almost never look at them. (Actually I almost never look at the atlas either, but whatever.)

I have been in one situation where a GPS  might have been  extremely helpful. I was coming back from visiting my parents, there was a pileup on I-80, and the detour route was horrendously backed up. Probably would have taken at least 2 hours to go 10 miles around that segment of the interstate. There was no alternative route on my atlas's map, so I just sort of turned around and winged it, driving on random roads through farm country that seemed to go in the right direction. I think I might have hit gravel roads during that. I came out on the other side after like 20 minutes of driving, but it could just of easily have dead-ended. I have no idea if that route would have been found by GPSs*, but it would have been  really nice to know that it would actually work ahead of time. (* Actually now that I think about it, since no one else was taking it and this wasn't all that long ago, I doubt not.)

On the other hand, that kind of  was a fun adventure. :-)

Like I said, I love maps and also like to know where I'm going beforehand, so I'd be unlikely to replace most of my uses of maps now. But I would kind of like to have GPS for contingencies and other times when I decide I want to do something in unfamiliar territory that I hadn't planned on ahead of time.
 
2013-07-26 03:48:21 PM

evaned: endosymbiont: tetsoushima: Are we finished here?

Add a volume knob, and then yes! Want!

That and a clock was gonna be my suggestion too. (And the bluetooth thing, but because I'm cheap and don't use that now it didn't occur to me.)


Seriously, I want a car stereo in which the interface parts consist of: a volume knob (knob, not buttons) on the dashboard, and an aux input jack in the compartment in the center console--nothing else.
 
2013-07-26 03:50:40 PM

muck4doo: Yet AM radio will keep living on.


As long as a significant portion of the population has a deep-seated need to be furiously angry at all times, AM radio has nothing to worry about.
 
2013-07-26 03:52:34 PM
I couldn't tell you the last time I played a commercially produced CD album (~10-20 tracks in wav format) in my car, but new CD drives read and play all modern formats (mp3, wma, etc.) so in a pinch for whatever reason, you can pop a data CD in there with a couple hundred mp3 files on there depending on their bitrate and track length.
 
2013-07-26 03:52:45 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: muck4doo: Yet AM radio will keep living on.

As long as a significant portion of the population has a deep-seated need to be furiously angry at all times, AM radio has nothing to worry about.


Have they not looked into podcasts?  I love being angry, and podcasting is the bomb.
 
2013-07-26 03:54:46 PM

Ant: I want something like this, but I want to be able to pop the tablet out so the crackheads don't break my windows to get it.
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There are plenty of dash covers that allow you to pop the tablet out.
 
2013-07-26 03:56:48 PM
My 2006 Altima doesn't have a jack or USB port. What the hell was I thinking!

/I do have over 500 cds though
//which is nice
 
2013-07-26 03:56:52 PM

Xenomech: A CD player in your car?  How delightfully quaint!


High quality sound in your car? How cute!
 
2013-07-26 03:58:34 PM
My antique Rolls Royce came with a tiny little slave who sings old time minstrel songs. Oh for the good old days!
 
2013-07-26 04:00:02 PM
Put me down as one of those who still uses the CD player in the car. 3 discs are CD-RWs that get updated with new music ever few months (or for the next long car trip) while the other 3 rotate through regular CD-R copies of CDs. (No, not going to keep the original CDs in the car.)

On long car trips, we do books on CDs. Last year drove down to Orlando and back listening to "The Help" by Kathryn Stockett.
 
2013-07-26 04:02:44 PM
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This is How I ROLL!
 
2013-07-26 04:03:07 PM
I've never used the CD player in my car. I started out with a wired FM transmitter to connect my phone, but I quickly switched to a Bluetooth FM Transmitter for ultimate wireless connectivity.
 
2013-07-26 04:05:22 PM

BretMavrik: I thought a lot about this when we bought my wife's Jetta a few years ago. It has a multi-disc (CD/MP3) changer, a (now useless without an adapter since we have iPhone 5s) 30-pin iPod connector and an in-dash SD card slot. All those different formats make you think about the different life cycles at play. Even if you go with SD or USB now, if you're someone who keeps their car for 10-15 years there is a decent chance that those formats will also have been passed by (although at least the USB connector will probably be around for a bit).

So perhaps a better way to go would be to make the physical in-dash components more static and long-lasting, including tactile buttons (to Langdon Alger's point) that you can program for what you need (maybe even put a tiny LED window in the buttons so you can have icons as well) and have a replaceable module in the center console with a standard size and inputs to the dash. Then you can get the module that has the mix of features, devices and inputs you want and when formats switch now you're looking at replacing a $199 unit rather than taking up half your dash panel with something you will never use or will need to buy a bunch of clunky adapters in order to use.



They tried that, it was called 00 or 'double-din' and the auto companies decided they would much rather have you come back to them for an expensive upgrade with OEM parts (if you wanted to get a more up-to-date audio system), as opposed to you being able to pick what you wanted from a place like Amazon or Crutchfield- install it yourself.

Which is why I plan on keeping my 2006 Fusion for as long as possible.
 
2013-07-26 04:08:31 PM
fatkidinabeenie,
This is How I ROLL!

I want to see that work on youtube!
 
2013-07-26 04:15:16 PM
lh3.googleusercontent.com

that's how I roll!
 
2013-07-26 04:16:22 PM

rikkitikkitavi: LoR75: rikkitikkitavi: I have bluetooth, which is great for calls.  But why can't I stream music (pandora, MOG, etc.) via bluetooth to my car audio?  That shouldn't be too complicated, should it?  And yet, it doesn't work.

My ideal dash wouldn't merely be a video emulator of the smartphone navi and audio output/speakers to play whatever I dialed up on it.
Oh, and HUD for pertinent auto data.

What type of car is it?

With ours, I just have to turn on the car, turn on bluetooth on my iPhone, and then wait for it to sync. Once done, I have to press the media button over to bluetooth, and it works without issue.

The only hitch, you have to be in park to do all of that.  Can't do it while waiting at a stoplight or something.

I just had to sync my phone once and now it always recognizes it.  Although, you have to go into the settings of the car to turn on "stream audio through bluetooth" or something like that.

It's a 2006 BMW 550i.  I don't have the "stream audio through bluetooth" option.  Perhaps on new models. Has an AUX jack and bluetooth.  But no AUX via bluetooth.  Grrrrrr....


Sounds like you might have an older Bluetooth version 1.0?
 
2013-07-26 04:18:54 PM

mainstreet62: [1-photos.ebizautos.com image 640x480]

See the panel in the foreground on the right? That's where it is.


The body?
 
2013-07-26 04:30:14 PM
TuteTibiImperes: Marcintosh: Langdon Alger: one thing that sucks about a touch screen is a lack of ergonomics. Actual buttons can  have shape and texture so that one can operate them without taking your eyes off the road. With a touch screen its one big flat surface. Try and operate that thing without actually looking at it and you find that you've turned it from AC to heat, and you're listening to gospel radio. Or take your eyes off the road to fiddle about with menus and what not and wind up tail grabbing the ass of the car in front of you.
bingo
Dials and knobs are great for tactile recognition and now that they're all flat, relatively safe too.
The best solutions are the ones that combine touch screen, steering wheel controls, and physical knobs/buttons.  I can control my volume, track/preset skip, phone, voice control, etc, with the steering wheel; fan speed, vent settings, and temperature are all controlled with knobs; and navigation, deep audio settings (bass/treble/balance/fade/etc), vehicle settings, browsing through Sirius, and other features that benefit from a reconfigurable screen are all on the touch screen.


Different input methods are better for different things.  The most commonly used features can go on the steering wheel, the next most common get physical buttons, and the settings that won't be changed often get a touch-screen layout page.  It saves on button clutter and makes for excellent usability.


YOU my fine friend should get a consulting position at TOM TOM.  They could use a person with mad skillz like yours.
seriously.Worst. GPS. Evar.
 
2013-07-26 04:32:34 PM

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This is How I ROLL!


Well played, sirrah.
 
2013-07-26 04:36:50 PM

evaned: GPSs have a much broader range of knowledge, knowing about local roads across very wide scales.


This. Our Garmin even covers the one lane gravel roads running through local farms, which don't appear on paper maps. (Live in Middle of Nowhere, NC)

The downside is that it tries to send you down them as the 'shortest route', so you have to know which ones are good for shortcuts and which will get you a windshield full of rock salt from a 12 gauge.


IRT the iPod/radio transmitters: I broke down and bought a high quality name brand one for around $100 and haven't had a single transmission problem, even when driving through a large city on the highway. Unlike the $15 Wal-Mart one I used previously.
 
2013-07-26 04:36:50 PM
www.minidisc.org
 
2013-07-26 04:41:08 PM

Trashy: [www.minidisc.org image 600x190]


Minidisc was an awesome idea that could have been huge in the US if Sony had opened up the standard and relaxed on licensing fees early on.  Re-recordable, no skipping, small well-protected discs, great audio quality, it had tons of advantages over CDs when it came out, and if they'd worked at it they had plenty of time to establish a solid market base before MP3 players became affordable and usable (remember those awful first generation Diamond Rios with 32mb of storage for $200?)
 
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