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(Hartford Courant)   Got a CD player in your car? Not for long, you don't   (courant.com) divider line 253
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2013-07-26 02:35:31 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: I think it's only much recently BMW provided bluetooth audio. My 2011 X5 doesn't have it (though the usb port in the center console is nice), but the newer loaner cars they've given me have had it.


Okay... good to know.  Yeah the USB is nice.  Except when my phone wants to sync data with the car as if it's an external drive and I just want to charge it! I recently got a new phone.  Much cheaper than a new car.
 
2013-07-26 02:36:02 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Weird, I have the Sync system and it does bluetooth audio fine.  I think there's a way to pair a phone for bluetooth calls but not audio, and vice versa, or you can have the same device paired for both.  Try hitting the voice button on the steering wheel and saying 'bluetooth audio' after you get in and the phone syncs up, that should do it.


I got that to work once or twice. I need a Ford Sync cheat sheet in the car....more studying to do...tutoring. The Ford Touch system in my parents' Lincoln is only slightly better. When did cars become smarter than humans....it's Maximum Overdrive in the making!
 
2013-07-26 02:38:38 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: It's a 2006 BMW 550i.  I don't have the "stream audio through bluetooth" option.  Perhaps on new models. Has an AUX jack and bluetooth.  But no AUX via bluetooth.  Grrrrrr....


I use this:

images10.newegg.com
 
2013-07-26 02:39:13 PM  
I thought a lot about this when we bought my wife's Jetta a few years ago. It has a multi-disc (CD/MP3) changer, a (now useless without an adapter since we have iPhone 5s) 30-pin iPod connector and an in-dash SD card slot. All those different formats make you think about the different life cycles at play. Even if you go with SD or USB now, if you're someone who keeps their car for 10-15 years there is a decent chance that those formats will also have been passed by (although at least the USB connector will probably be around for a bit).

So perhaps a better way to go would be to make the physical in-dash components more static and long-lasting, including tactile buttons (to Langdon Alger's point) that you can program for what you need (maybe even put a tiny LED window in the buttons so you can have icons as well) and have a replaceable module in the center console with a standard size and inputs to the dash. Then you can get the module that has the mix of features, devices and inputs you want and when formats switch now you're looking at replacing a $199 unit rather than taking up half your dash panel with something you will never use or will need to buy a bunch of clunky adapters in order to use.
 
2013-07-26 02:39:25 PM  

HKWolf: TuteTibiImperes: Weird, I have the Sync system and it does bluetooth audio fine.  I think there's a way to pair a phone for bluetooth calls but not audio, and vice versa, or you can have the same device paired for both.  Try hitting the voice button on the steering wheel and saying 'bluetooth audio' after you get in and the phone syncs up, that should do it.

I got that to work once or twice. I need a Ford Sync cheat sheet in the car....more studying to do...tutoring. The Ford Touch system in my parents' Lincoln is only slightly better. When did cars become smarter than humans....it's Maximum Overdrive in the making!


What year and model is it?
 
2013-07-26 02:40:44 PM  

Saul T. Balzac: T.rex: Even more useless than a CD player is a factory installed GPS system... Its usually a double-dinn, so it wastes so much real estate, is ugly, is hard to use, and you typically have to pay for the service.   It actually prevented me from buying a particular used car that i otherwise liked a lot.

I've considered installing nav in my [practically antique] car, but it would cost about $1,400 to do so.  Since my phone has up-to-date maps and software, it just doesn't make any sense to spend more than a grand on something redundant.

 With smart phones + google maps, I'm not sure how companies like Garmin are going to stay in business, or who in the future will buy the in-dash nav system (unless it is standard feature).
I've been using my iPhone as my nav system for the last year. In general I find that it gives clearer voice directions than Garmin (so less of a need to look at the screen), does a better job routing based on traffic conditions, and when I make a wrong turn it recalculates directions faster. (I connect the phone to my car's audio system via USB, so I get the audio over the stereo, and when listening to music via the phone, the iPhone automatically drops the levels on the music when voice directions are announced).
 
2013-07-26 02:41:54 PM  
//prefers the warmer sound of vinyl
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Disapproves
 
2013-07-26 02:43:03 PM  

tricycleracer: rikkitikkitavi: It's a 2006 BMW 550i.  I don't have the "stream audio through bluetooth" option.  Perhaps on new models. Has an AUX jack and bluetooth.  But no AUX via bluetooth.  Grrrrrr....

I use this:

[images10.newegg.com image 300x225]


Sweet!  Thanks.
 
2013-07-26 02:44:13 PM  
ecx.images-amazon.com

Bluetooth, AUX input, integrated Pandora controls, and a CD payer. Love it.

/And blue
//Can't stand red, yellow, green, etc car audio units
 
2013-07-26 02:44:40 PM  
WhoopAssWayne:

//Remember how the players would sometimes eat the cassettes and you'd spend seemingly forever pulling out magnetic tape? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

www.theblessedbarrenness.co.za
 
2013-07-26 02:44:41 PM  
I don't need no stinking CD player.

jaimeshine.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-26 02:45:24 PM  
Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu:
FloydA: Rotating disc media are a stupid thing to put in a moving vehicle.

Yeah, CD and DVD players have been proven to not work in cars at all.


Oh they work.  Slide rules and pocket calculators work just fine too.   Why don't you throw away your computer?
 
2013-07-26 02:45:56 PM  
My CD changer favors select songs - not the illusory bias either, everyone who rides with me comments on it if I have it going - and takes forever to swap between discs. Works and sounds great otherwise, but it's irritating enough to finally get me off my ass to convert everything to mp3.
 
2013-07-26 02:46:07 PM  

Mr.Poops: I just installed a new CD player in my car 2 weeks ago -- has a USB and Aux port on it too, all 3 of them get used. I like my USB port for keeping 10-15 of my current favorite albums on hand, the AUX port for spotify and pandora and the CD player is for CDs I still buy (only for certain releases).


FYI: most new car radios have functionality for Pandora and Spotify when your phone is connected to the radio via USB -- that is, you can control the programs through the radio's interface.

Check your system's manual, you may have that functionality and thus not need to use the AUX port.
 
2013-07-26 02:46:50 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: My 2001 Honda Insight had a factory tape deck and if you wanted a CD player your could buy a factory changer that went in the back hatch.  I don't think they offered in dash CD players until 2005 or something like that.


I've got an in-dash changer on a 2001 Civic. I bought it used, so I couldn't say when the thing was installed (a previous owner customized a few things), but the manual does list the changer as an option.
 
2013-07-26 02:47:25 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: tricycleracer: rikkitikkitavi: It's a 2006 BMW 550i.  I don't have the "stream audio through bluetooth" option.  Perhaps on new models. Has an AUX jack and bluetooth.  But no AUX via bluetooth.  Grrrrrr....

I use this:

[images10.newegg.com image 300x225]

Sweet!  Thanks.


Probably should have given you a link, too.  Could you find it?
 
2013-07-26 02:47:31 PM  
Are you threatening to steal my truck's sound system? Please don't.
 
2013-07-26 02:47:33 PM  

HKWolf: rikkitikkitavi: I have bluetooth, which is great for calls.  But why can't I stream music (pandora, MOG, etc.) via bluetooth to my car audio?  That shouldn't be too complicated, should it?  And yet, it doesn't work.

Ford Sync system? I have the same problem. I thought i would love the Sync system but i hate it. You'd think a 39 year old who grew up with computers would be able to master that damn thing but no! I can make and take phone calls but that's about it. I was able to use Bluetooth audio once and then Sync and my iPhone stopped talking to each other and i had to restore the whole system at the dealer.

My 2001 Explorer had a tape deck and a CD player in it. High end stuff for '01. Perhaps this '11 Fusion is too much for my old brain. Bah!

/angry fist shaking
//still love the car


not familier with the ford synch system, but I will go ahead and say that the next time you need to reset the brain of your vehicle, all you really need to do is yank the positive terminal of the battery, wait ten seconds, then reattach.

however, you shouldnt have to do that at all if the damn thing wasn't buggy ;)

as for the rest of the discussion, I own a 2002 F-150, factory radio, cassette deck... I use a cassette adaptor with my Droid 4.
the droid 4 car dock is pretty sweet for plugging into the deck. but, if the phone isn't sitting in the dock juuuuust right, the audio will flicker from the phone to the deck.
I do need to replace the head unit soonish because... well, its a Ford factory radio. the balance button has decided it doesn't want to work anymore any more for one thing.

My biggest desire in a new head unit is that it has bluetooth. USB next. it would be nice if it was a HD radio, but it is not critical. the ability to play MP3 and WAV would be nice...

I really have no need for a CD player at all anymore.
 
2013-07-26 02:47:37 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: You could still buy a car with a factory cassette deck in 2011 - the Mercury Grand Marquis.

I don't think CD players will disappear entirely for a long time, but I do believe that they're on the way out more now than I did a year ago.  The big reason is I bought a vehicle that has Sirius and a USB port - I haven't actually used my CD player in this vehicle since I've bought it.


The 2010 Lexus ES350 had it too. A coworker once owned one.
 
2013-07-26 02:48:33 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: I have bluetooth, which is great for calls.  But why can't I stream music (pandora, MOG, etc.) via bluetooth to my car audio?  That shouldn't be too complicated, should it?  And yet, it doesn't work.

My ideal dash wouldn't merely be a video emulator of the smartphone navi and audio output/speakers to play whatever I dialed up on it.
Oh, and HUD for pertinent auto data.


In my wife's new Ford Edge, I can stream Pandora or other music via bluetooth to the audio system, but I still have to use my phone for controls and to see what is playing. Thank god I still have unlimited data!!
 
2013-07-26 02:54:45 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: Detinwolf: rikkitikkitavi: Actually found this a while back when researching the same thing:

ah cool, thanks for the info

Personally, I think you have to have a very finely tuned ear to hear the differences in a lot of this stuff; a musicians ear or trained audiophile.  I don't have that ability to distinguish the differences, so it's a matter of convenience and dashboard cleanliness for me.

I'm sure a lot of people can hear it, but I can't.


considering we are talking about the car stereo environment, the lingering white noise in almost all car environments will most likely make the notion moot at the most. I'm more concerned with skipping and chattering than how lossless the rendering is at that point.

of course, this is all personal opinion, I was the primary operator of a beer bottling line for the better part of a decade and, despite the earplugs, my hearing is pertnear shot. your miles may vary
 
2013-07-26 02:54:49 PM  

icallhimgamblor: [i1255.photobucket.com image 801x408]
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//prefers the warmer sound of vinyl


media.liveauctiongroup.net
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So do I.
 
2013-07-26 02:56:35 PM  
My (newish) car has a USB port hidden in the glove box. I can plug in a 64 GB thumb drive and have weeks of music available. That's the good thing -- the bad thing is that for some dumb reason it needs to reindex the music every time the car turns on. This can take up to half an hour on a full stick, which means that for short trips it's a bit useless. Great for road trips, however.
 
2013-07-26 02:57:06 PM  

Enemabag Jones: SoupJohnB
TuteTibiImperes: Enemabag Jones: I know cars are becoming oversized entertainment centers, but let me talk this onion off my belt, pull these loose bees out of my pocket and argue in favor of the CD.
I have thought about going to a USB stereo, but then considered I would have to find the album I wanted. And a touch screen is just as bad. CD's can be burnt from MP3's those arguing that the CD is dead.
It is simply so much easier to flip through a book of CD's, vs having to navigate a menu (touch screen or directory on electronic portable media).
Voice recognition is getting pretty accurate these days. My system automatically indexes the metadata for MP3s for whatever you plug in, iPod, USB stick, etc, and then let's you say 'play album ' or 'play track '. Of course, you have to have MP3s with clean metadata for that to work, and it does stick on some names, especially foreign ones, but for the most part it works well.
And if you happen to curse another driver who cuts you off in traffic after saying "Play?" And you don't have a tune by "You Sonnava *Bleep*?"
My VR system responds, "I'm sorry Dave. But I'm afraid I can't do that."
/don't miss ashtrays in cars, either

The Xbox One car stereo will detect your emotion, put on a commercial for a defensive driving school and play relaxing music.


csb/ I have a handheld radio scanner from Radio Shack that picks up Wx, Marine, Ham, Emergency and other frequencies within short range. It picked up the local po-leece, too, until they switched to encrypted signals.  Perfectly legal at the time, unless used during the commission of a crime.  During my daily commutes, it was either that or NPR on the car radio, in order to focus on getting there and back in one piece.  The Cop/EMS/Fire dispatchers and responders were often more entertaining (and definitely more useful), at times.
 
2013-07-26 02:57:37 PM  
I've got a tape deck with auto-reverse. And it's got the scan feature so I can FF to the next song just by hitting one button. Works almost every time.

/don't actually know if the tape deck still works
 
2013-07-26 02:58:07 PM  

Saul T. Balzac: WhoopAssWayne:

//Remember how the players would sometimes eat the cassettes and you'd spend seemingly forever pulling out magnetic tape? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[www.theblessedbarrenness.co.za image 600x450]


Ooh. I remember this one. When the player pulls all the tape out of the cassette and get's it all scrunched up from wrapping around that little rubber thingy you use the pencil to stab yourself in the eye out of frustration.
 
2013-07-26 02:58:16 PM  

T.rex: Even more useless than a CD player is a factory installed GPS system... Its usually a double-dinn, so it wastes so much real estate, is ugly, is hard to use, and you typically have to pay for the service.   It actually prevented me from buying a particular used car that i otherwise liked a lot.


What happens when you need to upgrade the map? I know companies like TomTom want a stupid price. I don't want to know what Ford would charge.
 
2013-07-26 02:58:44 PM  

tetsoushima: [www.nobodygoeshere.com image 769x669]
Are we finished here?


That is pretty much dead on.
 
2013-07-26 02:59:05 PM  
Good riddance.

Want to know where the CD changer is on a 2001 Mercedes ML 320?

In the TRUNK.

AND you have to unscrew 2 screws to take off the stupid plastic panel.

AND THEN you have to unscrew the screw that holds the mini swing gate holding the CD changer, because you can't access it when it is recessed.

Ugh.
 
2013-07-26 02:59:33 PM  
Reading the comments here, I'm way, WAY behind the times, apparently. I use CDs when I'm driving. And before I got a girlfriend/wife who comes with me on long trips and messes up the order, I had it nearly memorized so I could switch without taking my eyes off the road for more than a half second. (Yeah, poor me, right?) It works great for me, and I don't have to invest in some sort of iPod.

Also, I hate GPS, which every car seems to be coming with these days. My wife keeps pulling the damn thing out, when a map would work much better.
 
2013-07-26 03:00:17 PM  
I don't have one any more because someone stole it out of my car last week.
 
2013-07-26 03:00:27 PM  

Langdon Alger: one thing that sucks about a touch screen is a lack of ergonomics. Actual buttons can  have shape and texture so that one can operate them without taking your eyes off the road. With a touch screen its one big flat surface. Try and operate that thing without actually looking at it and you find that you've turned it from AC to heat, and you're listening to gospel radio. Or take your eyes off the road to fiddle about with menus and what not and wind up tail grabbing the ass of the car in front of you.


bingo

Dials and knobs are great for tactile recognition and now that they're all flat, relatively safe too.
 
2013-07-26 03:01:40 PM  

CtrlAltDestroy: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 850x267]

Bluetooth, AUX input, integrated Pandora controls, and a CD payer. Love it.

/And blue
//Can't stand red, yellow, green, etc car audio units


Thanks for the tip. My wife's been looking for something like this.
 
2013-07-26 03:02:01 PM  

tetsoushima: [www.nobodygoeshere.com image 769x669]
Are we finished here?


My GM XM Radio has an aux input and it sucks.  The volume is halved, so you need to turn the volume up all the way to hear anything.  Then when you pull the aux jack out you are deafened.

Would much rather have a USB port or at least Bluetooth.
 
2013-07-26 03:02:18 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...: Reading the comments here, I'm way, WAY behind the times, apparently. I use CDs when I'm driving. And before I got a girlfriend/wife who comes with me on long trips and messes up the order, I had it nearly memorized so I could switch without taking my eyes off the road for more than a half second. (Yeah, poor me, right?) It works great for me, and I don't have to invest in some sort of iPod.

Also, I hate GPS, which every car seems to be coming with these days. My wife keeps pulling the damn thing out, when a map would work much better.


Whew, I am not alone. I was reading this thread thinking the same thing.

Admittedly, I have an iPod with one of those frequency adapters but I don't use it anymore because it sounds like sh*t.

And I have 50 disc changer. Watch this. *pushes eject puts in new CD*

BOOOM!
 
2013-07-26 03:03:07 PM  
1-photos.ebizautos.com

See the panel in the foreground on the right? That's where it is.
 
2013-07-26 03:03:10 PM  
SoupJohnB ,
csb/ I have a handheld radio scanner from Radio Shack that picks up Wx, Marine, Ham, Emergency and other frequencies within short range. It picked up the local po-leece, too, until they switched to encrypted signals.  Perfectly legal at the time, unless used during the commission of a crime.  During my daily commutes, it was either that or NPR on the car radio, in order to focus on getting there and back in one piece.  The Cop/EMS/Fire dispatchers and responders were often more entertaining (and definitely more useful), at times.

Some of the encrypted voice networks seem comparable to network lan's.  There are some radios out there that will pick up more then just the voices.  Per my understanding only the federal government uses AES.
 
2013-07-26 03:04:55 PM  

Marcintosh: Langdon Alger: one thing that sucks about a touch screen is a lack of ergonomics. Actual buttons can  have shape and texture so that one can operate them without taking your eyes off the road. With a touch screen its one big flat surface. Try and operate that thing without actually looking at it and you find that you've turned it from AC to heat, and you're listening to gospel radio. Or take your eyes off the road to fiddle about with menus and what not and wind up tail grabbing the ass of the car in front of you.

bingo

Dials and knobs are great for tactile recognition and now that they're all flat, relatively safe too.


The best solutions are the ones that combine touch screen, steering wheel controls, and physical knobs/buttons.  I can control my volume, track/preset skip, phone, voice control, etc, with the steering wheel; fan speed, vent settings, and temperature are all controlled with knobs; and navigation, deep audio settings (bass/treble/balance/fade/etc), vehicle settings, browsing through Sirius, and other features that benefit from a reconfigurable screen are all on the touch screen.

Different input methods are better for different things.  The most commonly used features can go on the steering wheel, the next most common get physical buttons, and the settings that won't be changed often get a touch-screen layout page.  It saves on button clutter and makes for excellent usability.
 
2013-07-26 03:05:05 PM  
I have an after-market on my Xterra. Even then I wished there were ones without CD players. I didn't seem to find any, though. I guess that'll change.
 
2013-07-26 03:05:15 PM  

mainstreet62: Good riddance.

Want to know where the CD changer is on a 2001 Mercedes ML 320?

In the TRUNK.

AND you have to unscrew 2 screws to take off the stupid plastic panel.

AND THEN you have to unscrew the screw that holds the mini swing gate holding the CD changer, because you can't access it when it is recessed.

Ugh.


Don't even get me started on the wii bar.
i939.photobucket.com

/nicely done 7/10
 
2013-07-26 03:06:28 PM  
I have a new vehicle and it has Sirius/XM, CD, two SD connections, and an iPod connection. Add to that a bluetooth audio connection and I think I have just about everything covered.

I will say that CD audio sounds /much/ clearer than even my best ripped mp3s on this system though.


I don't think CD is going away, but it certainly won't be prevalent like it has been for the past decade.
 
2013-07-26 03:06:40 PM  

tetsoushima: Are we finished here?


Heh. I bought a car earlier this year, and my two must-have features were an aux jack, and the outside temperature on the dash.

So I feel you.

tl;dr: This.
 
2013-07-26 03:08:22 PM  

verbaltoxin: CtrlAltDestroy: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 850x267]

Bluetooth, AUX input, integrated Pandora controls, and a CD payer. Love it.

/And blue
//Can't stand red, yellow, green, etc car audio units

Thanks for the tip. My wife's been looking for something like this.


If you like that one in particular, get it now. That particular model is over a year old and wont be around much longer. I paid $130 for mine. They're under $100 now. Sony MEX BT-3000P.
 
2013-07-26 03:09:31 PM  
I loooooove the Bluetooth link in my car. I drive terribly when I'm messing around with it or shouting at her until she understands which input device I want.
 
2013-07-26 03:11:09 PM  

groppet: As long as I can still get Creedence on my 8 track man.


Ah, I wouldn't hold out much hope for the Creedence.

/They got us workin' shifts.
 
2013-07-26 03:11:38 PM  
I just bought a 2001 BMW 540i wagon from a friend and was amused to find a tape deck. It's been a while since I've had a car with one (my other car is a 2005 Mustang GT with 6-disc in dash changer). Thankfully the tape deck is hidden behind a little fold down faux-wood panel so I don't have to look at it.

My Mustang has a $70 unit installed to give me an aux in for iPod connectivity to the factory head unit. The BMW is getting a similar unit to give iPod, USB (for phone or flash media), and Bluetooth connectivity with the factory system that's running about $300. With the amount of podcasts I listen to, though, it's a requirement to transition it to be my daily driver. I suppose I could have gone with the tape deck to aux as has been linked to in picture form multiple times here, but...not the cleanest look.

Not only does the 540 have a tape deck, it also has the 6-cd changer...in the trunk! I remember the days when that was a luxury option/big deal to get installed on your car. That's going away as the USB/iPod/Bluetooth module is taking its place (unfortunately the only way to do the install).

I would've gone the replacement head unit route, but the DSP amp (premium audio) in the 540 apparently has zero compatibility with aftermarket head units...so I would've needed to replace the speakers and amp as well. Bad times.
 
2013-07-26 03:12:25 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: groppet: As long as I can still get Creedence on my 8 track man.

Ah, I wouldn't hold out much hope for the Creedence.

/They got us workin' shifts.


Haha....niiiiiiiice
 
2013-07-26 03:13:00 PM  

tricycleracer: rikkitikkitavi: tricycleracer: rikkitikkitavi: It's a 2006 BMW 550i.  I don't have the "stream audio through bluetooth" option.  Perhaps on new models. Has an AUX jack and bluetooth.  But no AUX via bluetooth.  Grrrrrr....

I use this:

[images10.newegg.com image 300x225]

Sweet!  Thanks.

Probably should have given you a link, too.  Could you find it?


yup.  googled belkin aux usb interface.  $80 ain't bad.  might find it cheaper on amazon or ebay.  thanks for the idea.
 
2013-07-26 03:13:11 PM  

endosymbiont: tetsoushima: Are we finished here?

Add a volume knob, and then yes! Want!


That and a clock was gonna be my suggestion too. (And the bluetooth thing, but because I'm cheap and don't use that now it didn't occur to me.)

I May Be Crazy But...: Reading the comments here, I'm way, WAY behind the times, apparently. I use CDs when I'm driving. And before I got a girlfriend/wife who comes with me on long trips and messes up the order, I had it nearly memorized so I could switch without taking my eyes off the road for more than a half second. (Yeah, poor me, right?) It works great for me, and I don't have to invest in some sort of iPod.


I was in your shoes for a while, but for a couple of reasons the "hook my phone up" is way more convenient. (E.g. there's not really much of anywhere to put CDs within arm's reach of the driver.) No bluetooth use yet though; was too cheap to buy a bluetooth-capable stereo when my decade-old, trunk-mount CD changer crapped out.

I May Be Crazy But...: Also, I hate GPS, which every car seems to be coming with these days. My wife keeps pulling the damn thing out, when a map would work much better.


From the crazy position of actually never having used a GPS nav system personally, there are a bunch of benefits to them. (There are a bunch of drawbacks too; in particular, maps give a better overall picture if they are at the right scale.) You can't really use maps while driving, while GPSs are at least possible to use safely if you don't actually mess with them and just use them for turn-by-turn directions. Maps also are fixed at a single scale, and a road atlas only gives maps at one scale for most of the country, very rarely more than two, and I've never seen one with more than three. (I guess you can add 1 to those numbers if you count, say, the big whole-US map that's probably at the start.) GPSs have a much broader range of knowledge, knowing about local roads across very wide scales.

That said, I love maps, and get somewhat passionate about how terrible online maps are in many ways in compared to printed maps. (In many ways Google maps are one of the worst, though they do shine when it comes to hyper-local information like labeling the location of specific businesses when you zoom in enough to only see a few blocks.)
 
2013-07-26 03:15:24 PM  

cyberspacedout: TheGreatGazoo: My 2001 Honda Insight had a factory tape deck and if you wanted a CD player your could buy a factory changer that went in the back hatch.  I don't think they offered in dash CD players until 2005 or something like that.

I've got an in-dash changer on a 2001 Civic. I bought it used, so I couldn't say when the thing was installed (a previous owner customized a few things), but the manual does list the changer as an option.


My 2001 Civic has a single-slot CD player. I think it was standard equipment.
 
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