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2013-07-26 02:15:12 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: I have bluetooth, which is great for calls.  But why can't I stream music (pandora, MOG, etc.) via bluetooth to my car audio?  That shouldn't be too complicated, should it?  And yet, it doesn't work.

My ideal dash wouldn't merely be a video emulator of the smartphone navi and audio output/speakers to play whatever I dialed up on it.
Oh, and HUD for pertinent auto data.


What type of car is it?

With ours, I just have to turn on the car, turn on bluetooth on my iPhone, and then wait for it to sync. Once done, I have to press the media button over to bluetooth, and it works without issue.

The only hitch, you have to be in park to do all of that.  Can't do it while waiting at a stoplight or something.

I just had to sync my phone once and now it always recognizes it.  Although, you have to go into the settings of the car to turn on "stream audio through bluetooth" or something like that.
 
2013-07-26 02:15:58 PM  
I skipped the CD thing completely.  When I bought my car, I was too cheap to spring for the CD player and got a cassette deck.  I bought a flash MP3 player after that (a bichin' diamond rio 64K) and used the cassette adapter with it.  I had a proper 3mm plug port put in since.

/csb.
 
2013-07-26 02:17:17 PM  
The last time I played CDs in a car it was using MP3 CDs, which was a great intermediary step. However, it's time to move to SD cards, USB, aux jacks, and Bluetooth on the stereo and eliminate CDs and cassettes.

Car manufacturers need to stop with the crappy built-in GPS units as well. I have this device in my pocket that can replace it, has about the same sized screen, and is reliably updated with the latest maps and traffic.

The dedicated car GPS is even more of a dinosaur than the CD.
 
2013-07-26 02:17:35 PM  
Meh.  I've been through:
Onion on belt
AM only
AM/FM
8 Track
Cassette
CD
Satellite
MP3

Now I just talk to myself and yell at stupid drivers (which is most of them)
 
2013-07-26 02:18:07 PM  
I actually love that my 1998 Ford Escort still has the old school cassette player rather than a CD player.

For some reason they still sell these, and it's easier for me to listen to my music in my car than most people I know with cars a decade more recent, as who actually keeps CDs around anymore?
 
2013-07-26 02:18:17 PM  
For a long time, a car stereo with a tape deck has been preferable to a car stereo with just a cd player and a radio because you can at least use a tape adapter.
 
2013-07-26 02:18:20 PM  

FloydA: Rotating disc media are a stupid thing to put in a moving vehicle.


You're just jealous that you don't have a portable grammophone in your car.
 
2013-07-26 02:18:34 PM  
Bought a car 3 years ago,  I made myself buy a cd one day  after a year of owning it to make sure it worked.
Went to waterloo and bought a local band cd that I liked so didnt mind spending the money on the cd.
Now I listen to it throuh my usb port built into my car.
 
2013-07-26 02:19:02 PM  
 
2013-07-26 02:19:48 PM  
Not surprised.  I have a cd player in my car that also has the headphone input jack, USB port and a remote control.  I've never used the CD player.  Why use it when you can put an ass load more music onto either a USB stick or an MP3 player/iPod/iPhone/smart phone?
 
2013-07-26 02:19:58 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: urrent car came without a casette player.


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2013-07-26 02:20:33 PM  

AcneVulgaris: FloydA: Rotating disc media are a stupid thing to put in a moving vehicle.

Car record players used to be a thing.


@#$!@#$
 
2013-07-26 02:20:56 PM  
I have the same 6 CD's in my car that I put in it the day I bought it six years ago.
 
2013-07-26 02:21:40 PM  
My in laws just bought a brand new 2013 Ford Explorer that had a CD changer in it. they didn't want it but the dealer said it came with the car and cannot be taken off. It was a $1200 option!!! they bought the car anyway because that particular Explorer had the only color/options combo they liked! LOL
 
2013-07-26 02:22:00 PM  

Detinwolf: I see more and more people streaming wirelessly from their phone to their car. I would have to imagine there'd be some quality loss vs a wired connection, but that's just random speculation on my part.


Actually found this a while back when researching the same thing:


Option 1: Bluetooth audio.
Option 2: 3.5mm TRS analog audio connector (wired).
Facts about Bluetooth:
Bluetooth audio protocol is lossy, meaning that some of the data is lost. However, it is digital, meaning that the audio reproduction in the headset is bit-exact the same data that was transmitted.The data is encoded to a digital format that is compressed in a way that loses some of the source data (but hopefully not enough that you can perceive it); but the data stream is much more resilient to interruption, due to buffering, which means that you are unlikely to notice even if some other electromagnetic frequency transmission interferes with your bluetooth (temporarily).See
Facts about analog audio:
Analog audio over a standard 3.5mm headphone jack (technically called a "TRS" connector) can be very high quality if the audio playback device has a good DAC. An amplifier (separate or built-in) can make the signal sound even better.A "good pair of cans" (good headphones) can sound amazing with this dated analog mode of transmitting audio down a cable. If you are using a very high quality DAC on the source audio device, chances are it's better than the DAC that has to be in the bluetooth headphones to convert the bluetooth digital data to analog, because the in-headphones DAC is limited by battery power and size constraints -- but a sound card in a computer is much less constrained. Even sound chips in smartphones are great these days.All analog audio is subject to interference with the audio cable. Most audio cables are not shielded from external electromagnetic interference, and certain models of computers (especially Core 2 Duo era CPUs with on-board graphics) have been known to spew electromagnetic frequencies that are picked up as a "grinding" or "buzzing" noise on the analog headphone wire, if it is near enough to the computer. Some LCDs can do the same. Depending on your situation, this interference can be even worse than the loss of audio quality of bluetooth's lossy encoding.The answer is that it heavily depends on your situation, and exactly how sensitive your headphones are, and exactly how good the Digital-Analog Converter (DAC) in the bluetooth headset is, and which codecs the bluetooth headset supports, and........ (many other things). If you're using the headphones in a way that a wire would get near certain models of LCD or computers, the analog signal quality may be terrible due to interference. If you're using the bluetooth in a way that it's in a heavily saturated 2.4 GHz environment (e.g. lots of WiFi signals, microwaves, cordless phones around), it may drop out due to heavy interference and crosstalk. Also you have to be able to live with the quality loss of lossy encoding for one of the bluetooth A2DP codecs, if you go that route. You probably can't detect it if you listen to lossy audio vs. lossless, but some people like to fake themselves out and say that they can tell ;)
 
2013-07-26 02:22:00 PM  
I just don't understand why it's taking so long for more cars to adopt a simple USB connection. That's really the last piece in the puzzle to me just using my damn phone for ALL my music.

/ also, fark every automaker that puts an iPhone connector in their car, what a shiatbrained idea that is
 
2013-07-26 02:22:43 PM  
I plan to have my car for probably another 8-10 years ('07 Matrix), or at least another five. Since Toyota didn't feel it was necessary to put an auxiliary in jack in the otherwise pretty sweet six disc changer... nope, I still have a long time where I'll be making driving mixes and burning discs.

/shrug
 
2013-07-26 02:22:46 PM  
Is it ok to play a skin flute in the car?
 
2013-07-26 02:24:29 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Enemabag Jones: I know cars are becoming oversized entertainment centers, but let me talk this onion off my belt, pull these loose bees out of my pocket and argue in favor of the CD.

I have thought about going to a USB stereo, but then considered I would have to find the album I wanted.  And a touch screen is just as bad.  CD's can be burnt from MP3's those arguing that the CD is dead.

It is simply so much easier to flip through a book of CD's, vs having to navigate a menu (touch screen or directory on electronic portable media).

Voice recognition is getting pretty accurate these days.  My system automatically indexes the metadata for MP3s for whatever you plug in, iPod, USB stick, etc, and then let's you say 'play album <whatever>' or 'play track <whatever>'.  Of course, you have to have MP3s with clean metadata for that to work, and it does stick on some names, especially foreign ones, but for the most part it works well.


And if you happen to curse another driver who cuts you off in traffic after saying "Play?"  And you don't have a tune by "You Sonnava *Bleep*?"

My VR system responds, "I'm sorry Dave.  But I'm afraid I can't do that."

/don't miss ashtrays in cars, either
 
2013-07-26 02:24:41 PM  
I just installed a new CD player in my car 2 weeks ago -- has a USB and Aux port on it too, all 3 of them get used. I like my USB port for keeping 10-15 of my current favorite albums on hand, the AUX port for spotify and pandora and the CD player is for CDs I still buy (only for certain releases).
 
2013-07-26 02:24:41 PM  

LoR75: rikkitikkitavi: I have bluetooth, which is great for calls.  But why can't I stream music (pandora, MOG, etc.) via bluetooth to my car audio?  That shouldn't be too complicated, should it?  And yet, it doesn't work.

My ideal dash wouldn't merely be a video emulator of the smartphone navi and audio output/speakers to play whatever I dialed up on it.
Oh, and HUD for pertinent auto data.

What type of car is it?

With ours, I just have to turn on the car, turn on bluetooth on my iPhone, and then wait for it to sync. Once done, I have to press the media button over to bluetooth, and it works without issue.

The only hitch, you have to be in park to do all of that.  Can't do it while waiting at a stoplight or something.

I just had to sync my phone once and now it always recognizes it.  Although, you have to go into the settings of the car to turn on "stream audio through bluetooth" or something like that.


It's a 2006 BMW 550i.  I don't have the "stream audio through bluetooth" option.  Perhaps on new models. Has an AUX jack and bluetooth.  But no AUX via bluetooth.  Grrrrrr....
 
2013-07-26 02:24:47 PM  
As long as I can still get Creedence on my 8 track man.
 
2013-07-26 02:24:55 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: Actually found this a while back when researching the same thing:


ah cool, thanks for the info
 
2013-07-26 02:25:21 PM  
I still use my 6-disk CD changer.  I also use a cassette adapter for my iPod (my car doesn't have an aux in).   And since I won't be upgrading my car or its stereo anytime in the near future, that's just what I'm going to live with for a while.

\yeah, I still burn "mixed" CDs and listen to them.
\\I'm both old and poor
 
2013-07-26 02:25:25 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: I have bluetooth, which is great for calls.  But why can't I stream music (pandora, MOG, etc.) via bluetooth to my car audio?  That shouldn't be too complicated, should it?  And yet, it doesn't work.


Ford Sync system? I have the same problem. I thought i would love the Sync system but i hate it. You'd think a 39 year old who grew up with computers would be able to master that damn thing but no! I can make and take phone calls but that's about it. I was able to use Bluetooth audio once and then Sync and my iPhone stopped talking to each other and i had to restore the whole system at the dealer.

My 2001 Explorer had a tape deck and a CD player in it. High end stuff for '01. Perhaps this '11 Fusion is too much for my old brain. Bah!

/angry fist shaking
//still love the car
 
2013-07-26 02:25:46 PM  
I have a live mariachi band in the back seat that plays while I drive.

/CSB
//Before it was cool
 
2013-07-26 02:26:15 PM  
My car came equipped with a mariachi band:


http://www.primesourceentertainment.com/system/genrephotos/27/sized/M a riachi-bands.jpg?1313628414
 
2013-07-26 02:26:16 PM  
My car has had the same NIN CD in it for the last 5 years.  I listen to it every now and then.  The rest is all bluetooth music from my phone.  Goodnight sweet CD players.
 
2013-07-26 02:26:18 PM  
I like Hondas, but gods the electronics suck.
 
2013-07-26 02:26:37 PM  

sboyle1020: T.rex: Even more useless than a CD player is a factory installed GPS system... Its usually a double-dinn, so it wastes so much real estate, is ugly, is hard to use, and you typically have to pay for the service.   It actually prevented me from buying a particular used car that i otherwise liked a lot.

I love the factory installed GPS in my Acura.  There's no service fee but every so often you need an updated CD to account for new roads, developments etc.


Yeah, I prefer the factory installed aesthetics better.  But the directions it gives are usually utter shiat.
 
2013-07-26 02:26:37 PM  
What I find amazing is how poor the interface between car media players and MP3 players continues to be. I rent a lot of cars for work, so I've seen all kinds of insanity.

Probably most common is that the audio systems do not preserve the hierarchy of how music is organized on an iPhone/iPod. If you search by "Artist," for example, and then select an artists, instead of listing all of the albums by that artist, it lists all of the tracks -- so it bypass the album level filter. This is problematic because if you have a dozen albums by that artists, the system then lists a hundred or so tracks.

I've also found that some systems just have a lot of lag -- if you'r scrolling through your collection, sometimes it can take several seconds for track names to be displayed.

Then there's just stupidity where the system automatically sorts tracks within an album alphabetically.

Lastly, lots of systems won't even let you control your iPhone/iPod when it is hooked up.
 
2013-07-26 02:27:58 PM  
6 CD changer or your car's a piece of shiat
 
2013-07-26 02:28:40 PM  
SoupJohnB
TuteTibiImperes: Enemabag Jones: I know cars are becoming oversized entertainment centers, but let me talk this onion off my belt, pull these loose bees out of my pocket and argue in favor of the CD.
I have thought about going to a USB stereo, but then considered I would have to find the album I wanted. And a touch screen is just as bad. CD's can be burnt from MP3's those arguing that the CD is dead.
It is simply so much easier to flip through a book of CD's, vs having to navigate a menu (touch screen or directory on electronic portable media).
Voice recognition is getting pretty accurate these days. My system automatically indexes the metadata for MP3s for whatever you plug in, iPod, USB stick, etc, and then let's you say 'play album ' or 'play track '. Of course, you have to have MP3s with clean metadata for that to work, and it does stick on some names, especially foreign ones, but for the most part it works well.
And if you happen to curse another driver who cuts you off in traffic after saying "Play?" And you don't have a tune by "You Sonnava *Bleep*?"
My VR system responds, "I'm sorry Dave. But I'm afraid I can't do that."
/don't miss ashtrays in cars, either


The Xbox One car stereo will detect your emotion, put on a commercial for a defensive driving school and play relaxing music.
 
2013-07-26 02:29:03 PM  
I'm not up on the latest mp3 stuff, so a lot of my tunes are still on CD. Had a blast a few months back when a friend of mine found and returned a few old cds. Throwing Copper is still an excellent album.
 
2013-07-26 02:29:11 PM  

T.rex: Even more useless than a CD player is a factory installed GPS system... Its usually a double-dinn, so it wastes so much real estate, is ugly, is hard to use, and you typically have to pay for the service.   It actually prevented me from buying a particular used car that i otherwise liked a lot.


I've considered installing nav in my [practically antique] car, but it would cost about $1,400 to do so.  Since my phone has up-to-date maps and software, it just doesn't make any sense to spend more than a grand on something redundant.
 
2013-07-26 02:29:24 PM  
I have 8-track and an AM radio.  Thinking of putting a mini-plug jack into the AM to accept MP3 players.
 
2013-07-26 02:29:57 PM  

HKWolf: rikkitikkitavi: I have bluetooth, which is great for calls.  But why can't I stream music (pandora, MOG, etc.) via bluetooth to my car audio?  That shouldn't be too complicated, should it?  And yet, it doesn't work.

Ford Sync system? I have the same problem. I thought i would love the Sync system but i hate it. You'd think a 39 year old who grew up with computers would be able to master that damn thing but no! I can make and take phone calls but that's about it. I was able to use Bluetooth audio once and then Sync and my iPhone stopped talking to each other and i had to restore the whole system at the dealer.

My 2001 Explorer had a tape deck and a CD player in it. High end stuff for '01. Perhaps this '11 Fusion is too much for my old brain. Bah!

/angry fist shaking
//still love the car


Weird, I have the Sync system and it does bluetooth audio fine.  I think there's a way to pair a phone for bluetooth calls but not audio, and vice versa, or you can have the same device paired for both.  Try hitting the voice button on the steering wheel and saying 'bluetooth audio' after you get in and the phone syncs up, that should do it.
 
2013-07-26 02:30:03 PM  

Detinwolf: rikkitikkitavi: Actually found this a while back when researching the same thing:

ah cool, thanks for the info


Personally, I think you have to have a very finely tuned ear to hear the differences in a lot of this stuff; a musicians ear or trained audiophile.  I don't have that ability to distinguish the differences, so it's a matter of convenience and dashboard cleanliness for me.

I'm sure a lot of people can hear it, but I can't.
 
2013-07-26 02:30:37 PM  
My parents' Kia has cd player and usb jack. I like to play the Guns N Roses discography mp3 cd i burned when I drive.
 
2013-07-26 02:31:50 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: I have bluetooth, which is great for calls.  But why can't I stream music (pandora, MOG, etc.) via bluetooth to my car audio?  That shouldn't be too complicated, should it?  And yet, it doesn't work.

My ideal dash wouldn't merely be a video emulator of the smartphone navi and audio output/speakers to play whatever I dialed up on it.
Oh, and HUD for pertinent auto data.


All the 2012 and 2013 year rental cars I've driven that have bluetooth let you do it.

The sound quality, though, is so-so because of the limited bandwidth of the connection.
 
2013-07-26 02:31:58 PM  

germ78: This will only lead to CD listeners flicking burnt CDs out the windows while driving.

/or using them for trashy rear-view mirror decor


Hahah! My friend does this when he gets tired of one of the CDs his girlfriend has burned.
 
2013-07-26 02:32:07 PM  
Traded in a car for a 2013 RAM a few weeks ago.  No CD player.  USB port hidden in the fold down console and communicates to radio via Bluetooth.  Found a 64GB USB drive on sale the next day at Best Buy.  All of my music is now in my vehicle.
 
2013-07-26 02:32:16 PM  
My CD player skips too damned much to use so I just plug one my iPhone into the aux and I'm good to go.  Someday I'll fork up the money to get a new stereo but they're psychotically expensive for motorcycles
 
2013-07-26 02:32:18 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: LoR75: rikkitikkitavi: I have bluetooth, which is great for calls.  But why can't I stream music (pandora, MOG, etc.) via bluetooth to my car audio?  That shouldn't be too complicated, should it?  And yet, it doesn't work.

My ideal dash wouldn't merely be a video emulator of the smartphone navi and audio output/speakers to play whatever I dialed up on it.
Oh, and HUD for pertinent auto data.

What type of car is it?

With ours, I just have to turn on the car, turn on bluetooth on my iPhone, and then wait for it to sync. Once done, I have to press the media button over to bluetooth, and it works without issue.

The only hitch, you have to be in park to do all of that.  Can't do it while waiting at a stoplight or something.

I just had to sync my phone once and now it always recognizes it.  Although, you have to go into the settings of the car to turn on "stream audio through bluetooth" or something like that.

It's a 2006 BMW 550i.  I don't have the "stream audio through bluetooth" option.  Perhaps on new models. Has an AUX jack and bluetooth.  But no AUX via bluetooth.  Grrrrrr....


I think it's only much recently BMW provided bluetooth audio.  My 2011 X5 doesn't have it (though the usb port in the center console is nice), but the newer loaner cars they've given me have had it.
 
2013-07-26 02:32:20 PM  
According to ebay, my remaining eight-track collection of the village people, foreigner, and fleetwood mac is worth like $10 now. So I've got that going for me.

//Remember how the players would sometimes eat the cassettes and you'd spend seemingly forever pulling out magnetic tape? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
 
2013-07-26 02:33:15 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Enemabag Jones: I know cars are becoming oversized entertainment centers, but let me talk this onion off my belt, pull these loose bees out of my pocket and argue in favor of the CD.

I have thought about going to a USB stereo, but then considered I would have to find the album I wanted.  And a touch screen is just as bad.  CD's can be burnt from MP3's those arguing that the CD is dead.

It is simply so much easier to flip through a book of CD's, vs having to navigate a menu (touch screen or directory on electronic portable media).

Voice recognition is getting pretty accurate these days.  My system automatically indexes the metadata for MP3s for whatever you plug in, iPod, USB stick, etc, and then let's you say 'play album <whatever>' or 'play track <whatever>'.  Of course, you have to have MP3s with clean metadata for that to work, and it does stick on some names, especially foreign ones, but for the most part it works well.


An acquaintance of mine was working on programming/building a prototype system like this about 10, 12 years ago. The machinery took up most of his trunk, but the voice recognition worked about how you described. He was going to sell it to some manufacturer or another and make a bajillion dollars.

/He did not sell it, nor make a bajillion dollars.
//CSB
 
2013-07-26 02:33:39 PM  
What's a cd? And Wtf is a JaRule?
 
2013-07-26 02:34:12 PM  
I can do better than all of you.  I have an iPod.... IN MY MIND!
 
2013-07-26 02:34:18 PM  
Drove around Germany in the 80's with this built into the back of a GTI, no potholes in Germany so it worked greaaaaaat

img0020.popscreencdn.com
 
2013-07-26 02:35:06 PM  
My first two cars just had radios.  My first car at least had FM/AM radio.  My second car was older and only had AM.  When your only two decent choices are either Radio Disney or Rush Limbaugh...well, crank up the volume and listen to some Rush Limbaugh.  At one point I took an old walkman with a cassette tape, some speakers that plugged in via the headphone jack and listened to music in my car that way (mounted everything in place via double sided tape, the heavy duty stuff found in Home Depot).  Sound quality sucked, but at least it had something better than AM radio.

My third car had the tape deck and I thought it was great.  At that point I was downloading MP3s but I didn't have a CD Burner so I would hook my computer up to my stereo and record my MP3s onto cassette tape.  Then, later on I got a CD Burner and a CD Player for the car.  I drove an old Kia so I couldn't find a car adaptor for the new CD Player so I had to get a bit creative with it's installation, which included mounting brackets and soldering the thing into place.  There was no removable face plate, but that didn't matter since it was mounted to never ever be removed (surrounded the player with sliced up fun noodle to lessen the road vibrations).  The car was broken into twice and both times they tried to remove the CD player.  Both times they failed.

Every car since has had the CD player.  My current car, which is car #7 has the CD player, USB port and aux port.  I don't know where my store bought CDs are any more.
 
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