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(Hartford Courant)   Got a CD player in your car? Not for long, you don't   (courant.com) divider line 253
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2013-07-26 01:25:27 PM
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2013-07-26 01:31:19 PM
Rotating disc media are a stupid thing to put in a moving vehicle.
 
2013-07-26 01:33:44 PM
Ha!  I still have a cassette deck and I'll probably have that for at least another five years
 
2013-07-26 01:46:46 PM
You could still buy a car with a factory cassette deck in 2011 - the Mercury Grand Marquis.

I don't think CD players will disappear entirely for a long time, but I do believe that they're on the way out more now than I did a year ago.  The big reason is I bought a vehicle that has Sirius and a USB port - I haven't actually used my CD player in this vehicle since I've bought it.
 
2013-07-26 01:47:20 PM
i've got one, but i've never used it.
 
2013-07-26 01:56:17 PM
I had one, until I replaced it with an HD radio with no cd player and a USB port.
 
2013-07-26 01:58:09 PM
I got one, and it has the audio jack too, so I can do CD's AND the MP3 player. Deal with it.
 
2013-07-26 01:58:48 PM
My car's CD player still contains the CD that came with the car.

/Sweet classic rock mix.
 
2013-07-26 01:59:12 PM
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2013-07-26 01:59:22 PM
 "Those are not decisions we make in a five-minute water cooler meeting."

*cough*bullshiat*cough*
 
2013-07-26 01:59:39 PM

EvilEgg: Ha!  I still have a cassette deck and I'll probably have that for at least another five years


Same here. The stereo and amp that originally came with the car are so good we're reluctant to take it out and replace it.
 
2013-07-26 01:59:40 PM
Why? Is someone coming to take it out?
 
2013-07-26 01:59:48 PM
www.nobodygoeshere.com
Are we finished here?
 
2013-07-26 01:59:54 PM
This will only lead to CD listeners flicking burnt CDs out the windows while driving.

/or using them for trashy rear-view mirror decor
 
2013-07-26 01:59:59 PM
Buncha Babies.....

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2013-07-26 02:00:28 PM
What about 8 tracks?
 
2013-07-26 02:00:37 PM

FloydA: Rotating disc media are a stupid thing to put in a moving vehicle.


Car record players used to be a thing.
 
2013-07-26 02:01:41 PM

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Current car came without a casette player.
 
2013-07-26 02:01:43 PM
Hell I still have a VCR in mine.  I bet it's older than half of the people posting
 
2013-07-26 02:02:04 PM
I have bluetooth, which is great for calls.  But why can't I stream music (pandora, MOG, etc.) via bluetooth to my car audio?  That shouldn't be too complicated, should it?  And yet, it doesn't work.

My ideal dash wouldn't merely be a video emulator of the smartphone navi and audio output/speakers to play whatever I dialed up on it.
Oh, and HUD for pertinent auto data.
 
2013-07-26 02:02:12 PM
Even more useless than a CD player is a factory installed GPS system... Its usually a double-dinn, so it wastes so much real estate, is ugly, is hard to use, and you typically have to pay for the service.   It actually prevented me from buying a particular used car that i otherwise liked a lot.
 
2013-07-26 02:02:44 PM
I recently "upgrade" from a car that had a CD player to an older truck that has a cassette player. I'm loving the cassette audio adapter thing, and hooking it up to my iPad.
 
2013-07-26 02:03:05 PM
The used car I bought 6 years ago has a tape deck I mostly use with an adapter for my iPod and a 5 CD changer I've never used. An mp3 player is just so much easier and holds a whole lot more music.
 
2013-07-26 02:03:10 PM

Ennuipoet: No worries
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I had my Car Discman with 8X oversampling (top notch, baby) perfectly balanced on the tunnel in my '88 T-Bird.  It only skipped when I jumped the tracks.
 
kab
2013-07-26 02:04:14 PM
How many years have we been hearing this now?

You can still buy cassette decks for your car, if you're so inclined.
 
2013-07-26 02:05:03 PM
Who even listens to a car stereo? Good lord, that would distract me from texting and putting on my makeup, while talking on Bluetooth and listening to directional prompts from the GPS which I named 'Nigel'. Because he's British.
 
2013-07-26 02:05:38 PM

AcneVulgaris: FloydA: Rotating disc media are a stupid thing to put in a moving vehicle.

Car record players used to be a thing.


And I bet that some hipster has already tried to make it a thing again. Along with a hand crocheted car cover.
 
2013-07-26 02:05:42 PM
I know cars are becoming oversized entertainment centers, but let me talk this onion off my belt, pull these loose bees out of my pocket and argue in favor of the CD.

I have thought about going to a USB stereo, but then considered I would have to find the album I wanted.  And a touch screen is just as bad.  CD's can be burnt from MP3's those arguing that the CD is dead.

It is simply so much easier to flip through a book of CD's, vs having to navigate a menu (touch screen or directory on electronic portable media).

I may sound like an angry old man, but is it unreasonable to ask people to stop farking around with electronic touch screens while driving and just farking drive.  I don't care if they are texting, or trying to find that 'mixtape' in a subdirectory, stop farking around with your personal electronic device of choice and drive.
 
2013-07-26 02:06:02 PM

T.rex: Even more useless than a CD player is a factory installed GPS system... Its usually a double-dinn, so it wastes so much real estate, is ugly, is hard to use, and you typically have to pay for the service.   It actually prevented me from buying a particular used car that i otherwise liked a lot.


I disagree.  I like the factory navigation system.  I don't like clutter on my dash, so using an aftermarket one would leave an ugly device sitting on top.  Plus, with the factory one it can automatically mute the audio when it tells me there's a turn coming up, then bring the audio right back.

Eventually having a solution that would just mirror my phone screen on an in-dash screen through USB or a dock in the console wouldn't be bad though.
 
2013-07-26 02:06:02 PM
I still stick with CDs in my car, since most of the music I listen to does not come over a terrestrial or satellite radio channel. (unless there's a radio station out there that has the tag line, "This is KBAT, we play all your favorite Goth hits from the 70s, 80s, 90s, and today!") No one plays this song anymore at a Goth club either Dead Can Dance - A Passage In Time cept for me at a one time opportunity in Newark, *sighs*. The only reason you want to keep your CD player will be to play the songs you know and enjoy, at your own time and pleasure.
 
2013-07-26 02:06:55 PM
I can finally move on from my reel-to-reel?  but I need several hours of music for those long drives....
 
2013-07-26 02:07:12 PM
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//prefers the warmer sound of vinyl
 
2013-07-26 02:08:10 PM

tetsoushima: [www.nobodygoeshere.com image 769x669]
Are we finished here?


You use wires?  I have a bluetooth receiver so I don't have to wear out the headphone jack on my phone.
 
2013-07-26 02:08:23 PM

tetsoushima: Are we finished here?


Add a volume knob, and then yes! Want!
 
2013-07-26 02:08:35 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Eventually having a solution that would just mirror my phone screen on an in-dash screen through USB or a dock in the console wouldn't be bad though.


Exactly what I want.  And it shouldn't be USB or a dock.  It should be wireless/bluetooth/etc.  Keep your phone in your pocket and emulate it on the dash while you're driving.
 
2013-07-26 02:08:57 PM

Enemabag Jones: I know cars are becoming oversized entertainment centers, but let me talk this onion off my belt, pull these loose bees out of my pocket and argue in favor of the CD.

I have thought about going to a USB stereo, but then considered I would have to find the album I wanted.  And a touch screen is just as bad.  CD's can be burnt from MP3's those arguing that the CD is dead.

It is simply so much easier to flip through a book of CD's, vs having to navigate a menu (touch screen or directory on electronic portable media).


Voice recognition is getting pretty accurate these days.  My system automatically indexes the metadata for MP3s for whatever you plug in, iPod, USB stick, etc, and then let's you say 'play album <whatever>' or 'play track <whatever>'.  Of course, you have to have MP3s with clean metadata for that to work, and it does stick on some names, especially foreign ones, but for the most part it works well.
 
2013-07-26 02:09:36 PM
My pickup just has an AM/FM radio.  No joke. Not even a tape deck.

/I drive in silence, mostly.
 
2013-07-26 02:09:44 PM
We have a 2013 Elantra Limited.  There should be no reason to have a CD player in a car these days.

It came with a CD player though, I haven't used it once.  My wife does though to play CDs for our 8 month old but that's just because she's too lazy to rip them to an old iPod.

I just stream my music/podcasts/soundcloud from my iPhone through bluetooth.  Easy to set up, although I had to walk my wife through it a couple of times to do it.
 
2013-07-26 02:10:04 PM

rikkitikkitavi: TuteTibiImperes: Eventually having a solution that would just mirror my phone screen on an in-dash screen through USB or a dock in the console wouldn't be bad though.

Exactly what I want.  And it shouldn't be USB or a dock.  It should be wireless/bluetooth/etc.  Keep your phone in your pocket and emulate it on the dash while you're driving.


I just like the USB/dock solution for keeping the phone charged, since doing the heavy lifting will drain the battery faster.  Having a wireless solution for short trips would be nice too though.
 
2013-07-26 02:10:34 PM
My 2001 Honda Insight had a factory tape deck and if you wanted a CD player your could buy a factory changer that went in the back hatch.  I don't think they offered in dash CD players until 2005 or something like that.
 
2013-07-26 02:10:44 PM

AcneVulgaris: FloydA: Rotating disc media are a stupid thing to put in a moving vehicle.

Car record players used to be a thing.


Yeah, we actually had one when I was a kid.  I'm speaking from experience.
 
2013-07-26 02:11:50 PM
Was the first kid in my high school to have an 8 Track in my car. Bought it at K Mart, put it in myself. Came with a dash kit so there were no holes and voila....cruisin'. Had a '73 Impala two door, beer bottle brown with a beige vinyl top. Kept a Tropicana glass bottle of water under the seat for my bong and kept my weed in the glove box.

Now....my lawn...yadda yadda!
 
2013-07-26 02:12:15 PM

tetsoushima: [www.nobodygoeshere.com image 769x669]
Are we finished here?


You can go one further.  No input at all.  All wireless.


FloydA: Rotating disc media are a stupid thing to put in a moving vehicle.


Yeah, CD and DVD players have been proven to not work in cars at all.
 
Ant
2013-07-26 02:12:19 PM
I have the factory CD player in my car, but I've hacked in an aux input. I have to play a silent CD in order to get the aux input to work, but it works great.

Aux input for pre-2007 Subaru factory head units
 
2013-07-26 02:12:57 PM
I guess it's time to get rid of my 78 rpm's.
 
2013-07-26 02:13:02 PM

T.rex: Even more useless than a CD player is a factory installed GPS system... Its usually a double-dinn, so it wastes so much real estate, is ugly, is hard to use, and you typically have to pay for the service.   It actually prevented me from buying a particular used car that i otherwise liked a lot.


I love the factory installed GPS in my Acura.  There's no service fee but every so often you need an updated CD to account for new roads, developments etc.
 
2013-07-26 02:13:40 PM
TuteTibiImperes ,
Voice recognition is getting pretty accurate these days.  My system automatically indexes the metadata for MP3s for whatever you plug in, iPod, USB stick, etc, and then let's you say 'play album <whatever>' or 'play track <whatever>'.  Of course, you have to have MP3s with clean metadata for that to work, and it does stick on some names, especially foreign ones, but for the most part it works well.

Noted and will reconsider when change chases me down on this.
 
2013-07-26 02:14:27 PM
I see more and more people streaming wirelessly from their phone to their car.  I would have to imagine there'd be some quality loss vs a wired connection, but that's just random speculation on my part.
 
2013-07-26 02:14:27 PM
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2013-07-26 02:15:09 PM
one thing that sucks about a touch screen is a lack of ergonomics. Actual buttons can  have shape and texture so that one can operate them without taking your eyes off the road. With a touch screen its one big flat surface. Try and operate that thing without actually looking at it and you find that you've turned it from AC to heat, and you're listening to gospel radio. Or take your eyes off the road to fiddle about with menus and what not and wind up tail grabbing the ass of the car in front of you.
 
2013-07-26 02:15:12 PM

rikkitikkitavi: I have bluetooth, which is great for calls.  But why can't I stream music (pandora, MOG, etc.) via bluetooth to my car audio?  That shouldn't be too complicated, should it?  And yet, it doesn't work.

My ideal dash wouldn't merely be a video emulator of the smartphone navi and audio output/speakers to play whatever I dialed up on it.
Oh, and HUD for pertinent auto data.


What type of car is it?

With ours, I just have to turn on the car, turn on bluetooth on my iPhone, and then wait for it to sync. Once done, I have to press the media button over to bluetooth, and it works without issue.

The only hitch, you have to be in park to do all of that.  Can't do it while waiting at a stoplight or something.

I just had to sync my phone once and now it always recognizes it.  Although, you have to go into the settings of the car to turn on "stream audio through bluetooth" or something like that.
 
2013-07-26 02:15:58 PM
I skipped the CD thing completely.  When I bought my car, I was too cheap to spring for the CD player and got a cassette deck.  I bought a flash MP3 player after that (a bichin' diamond rio 64K) and used the cassette adapter with it.  I had a proper 3mm plug port put in since.

/csb.
 
2013-07-26 02:17:17 PM
The last time I played CDs in a car it was using MP3 CDs, which was a great intermediary step. However, it's time to move to SD cards, USB, aux jacks, and Bluetooth on the stereo and eliminate CDs and cassettes.

Car manufacturers need to stop with the crappy built-in GPS units as well. I have this device in my pocket that can replace it, has about the same sized screen, and is reliably updated with the latest maps and traffic.

The dedicated car GPS is even more of a dinosaur than the CD.
 
2013-07-26 02:17:35 PM
Meh.  I've been through:
Onion on belt
AM only
AM/FM
8 Track
Cassette
CD
Satellite
MP3

Now I just talk to myself and yell at stupid drivers (which is most of them)
 
2013-07-26 02:18:07 PM
I actually love that my 1998 Ford Escort still has the old school cassette player rather than a CD player.

For some reason they still sell these, and it's easier for me to listen to my music in my car than most people I know with cars a decade more recent, as who actually keeps CDs around anymore?
 
2013-07-26 02:18:17 PM
For a long time, a car stereo with a tape deck has been preferable to a car stereo with just a cd player and a radio because you can at least use a tape adapter.
 
2013-07-26 02:18:20 PM

FloydA: Rotating disc media are a stupid thing to put in a moving vehicle.


You're just jealous that you don't have a portable grammophone in your car.
 
2013-07-26 02:18:34 PM
Bought a car 3 years ago,  I made myself buy a cd one day  after a year of owning it to make sure it worked.
Went to waterloo and bought a local band cd that I liked so didnt mind spending the money on the cd.
Now I listen to it throuh my usb port built into my car.
 
2013-07-26 02:19:02 PM
 
2013-07-26 02:19:48 PM
Not surprised.  I have a cd player in my car that also has the headphone input jack, USB port and a remote control.  I've never used the CD player.  Why use it when you can put an ass load more music onto either a USB stick or an MP3 player/iPod/iPhone/smart phone?
 
2013-07-26 02:19:58 PM

OtherLittleGuy: urrent car came without a casette player.


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2013-07-26 02:20:33 PM

AcneVulgaris: FloydA: Rotating disc media are a stupid thing to put in a moving vehicle.

Car record players used to be a thing.


@#$!@#$
 
2013-07-26 02:20:56 PM
I have the same 6 CD's in my car that I put in it the day I bought it six years ago.
 
2013-07-26 02:21:40 PM
My in laws just bought a brand new 2013 Ford Explorer that had a CD changer in it. they didn't want it but the dealer said it came with the car and cannot be taken off. It was a $1200 option!!! they bought the car anyway because that particular Explorer had the only color/options combo they liked! LOL
 
2013-07-26 02:22:00 PM

Detinwolf: I see more and more people streaming wirelessly from their phone to their car. I would have to imagine there'd be some quality loss vs a wired connection, but that's just random speculation on my part.


Actually found this a while back when researching the same thing:


Option 1: Bluetooth audio.
Option 2: 3.5mm TRS analog audio connector (wired).
Facts about Bluetooth:
Bluetooth audio protocol is lossy, meaning that some of the data is lost. However, it is digital, meaning that the audio reproduction in the headset is bit-exact the same data that was transmitted.The data is encoded to a digital format that is compressed in a way that loses some of the source data (but hopefully not enough that you can perceive it); but the data stream is much more resilient to interruption, due to buffering, which means that you are unlikely to notice even if some other electromagnetic frequency transmission interferes with your bluetooth (temporarily).See
Facts about analog audio:
Analog audio over a standard 3.5mm headphone jack (technically called a "TRS" connector) can be very high quality if the audio playback device has a good DAC. An amplifier (separate or built-in) can make the signal sound even better.A "good pair of cans" (good headphones) can sound amazing with this dated analog mode of transmitting audio down a cable. If you are using a very high quality DAC on the source audio device, chances are it's better than the DAC that has to be in the bluetooth headphones to convert the bluetooth digital data to analog, because the in-headphones DAC is limited by battery power and size constraints -- but a sound card in a computer is much less constrained. Even sound chips in smartphones are great these days.All analog audio is subject to interference with the audio cable. Most audio cables are not shielded from external electromagnetic interference, and certain models of computers (especially Core 2 Duo era CPUs with on-board graphics) have been known to spew electromagnetic frequencies that are picked up as a "grinding" or "buzzing" noise on the analog headphone wire, if it is near enough to the computer. Some LCDs can do the same. Depending on your situation, this interference can be even worse than the loss of audio quality of bluetooth's lossy encoding.The answer is that it heavily depends on your situation, and exactly how sensitive your headphones are, and exactly how good the Digital-Analog Converter (DAC) in the bluetooth headset is, and which codecs the bluetooth headset supports, and........ (many other things). If you're using the headphones in a way that a wire would get near certain models of LCD or computers, the analog signal quality may be terrible due to interference. If you're using the bluetooth in a way that it's in a heavily saturated 2.4 GHz environment (e.g. lots of WiFi signals, microwaves, cordless phones around), it may drop out due to heavy interference and crosstalk. Also you have to be able to live with the quality loss of lossy encoding for one of the bluetooth A2DP codecs, if you go that route. You probably can't detect it if you listen to lossy audio vs. lossless, but some people like to fake themselves out and say that they can tell ;)
 
2013-07-26 02:22:00 PM
I just don't understand why it's taking so long for more cars to adopt a simple USB connection. That's really the last piece in the puzzle to me just using my damn phone for ALL my music.

/ also, fark every automaker that puts an iPhone connector in their car, what a shiatbrained idea that is
 
2013-07-26 02:22:43 PM
I plan to have my car for probably another 8-10 years ('07 Matrix), or at least another five. Since Toyota didn't feel it was necessary to put an auxiliary in jack in the otherwise pretty sweet six disc changer... nope, I still have a long time where I'll be making driving mixes and burning discs.

/shrug
 
2013-07-26 02:22:46 PM
Is it ok to play a skin flute in the car?
 
2013-07-26 02:24:29 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Enemabag Jones: I know cars are becoming oversized entertainment centers, but let me talk this onion off my belt, pull these loose bees out of my pocket and argue in favor of the CD.

I have thought about going to a USB stereo, but then considered I would have to find the album I wanted.  And a touch screen is just as bad.  CD's can be burnt from MP3's those arguing that the CD is dead.

It is simply so much easier to flip through a book of CD's, vs having to navigate a menu (touch screen or directory on electronic portable media).

Voice recognition is getting pretty accurate these days.  My system automatically indexes the metadata for MP3s for whatever you plug in, iPod, USB stick, etc, and then let's you say 'play album <whatever>' or 'play track <whatever>'.  Of course, you have to have MP3s with clean metadata for that to work, and it does stick on some names, especially foreign ones, but for the most part it works well.


And if you happen to curse another driver who cuts you off in traffic after saying "Play?"  And you don't have a tune by "You Sonnava *Bleep*?"

My VR system responds, "I'm sorry Dave.  But I'm afraid I can't do that."

/don't miss ashtrays in cars, either
 
2013-07-26 02:24:41 PM
I just installed a new CD player in my car 2 weeks ago -- has a USB and Aux port on it too, all 3 of them get used. I like my USB port for keeping 10-15 of my current favorite albums on hand, the AUX port for spotify and pandora and the CD player is for CDs I still buy (only for certain releases).
 
2013-07-26 02:24:41 PM

LoR75: rikkitikkitavi: I have bluetooth, which is great for calls.  But why can't I stream music (pandora, MOG, etc.) via bluetooth to my car audio?  That shouldn't be too complicated, should it?  And yet, it doesn't work.

My ideal dash wouldn't merely be a video emulator of the smartphone navi and audio output/speakers to play whatever I dialed up on it.
Oh, and HUD for pertinent auto data.

What type of car is it?

With ours, I just have to turn on the car, turn on bluetooth on my iPhone, and then wait for it to sync. Once done, I have to press the media button over to bluetooth, and it works without issue.

The only hitch, you have to be in park to do all of that.  Can't do it while waiting at a stoplight or something.

I just had to sync my phone once and now it always recognizes it.  Although, you have to go into the settings of the car to turn on "stream audio through bluetooth" or something like that.


It's a 2006 BMW 550i.  I don't have the "stream audio through bluetooth" option.  Perhaps on new models. Has an AUX jack and bluetooth.  But no AUX via bluetooth.  Grrrrrr....
 
2013-07-26 02:24:47 PM
As long as I can still get Creedence on my 8 track man.
 
2013-07-26 02:24:55 PM

rikkitikkitavi: Actually found this a while back when researching the same thing:


ah cool, thanks for the info
 
2013-07-26 02:25:21 PM
I still use my 6-disk CD changer.  I also use a cassette adapter for my iPod (my car doesn't have an aux in).   And since I won't be upgrading my car or its stereo anytime in the near future, that's just what I'm going to live with for a while.

\yeah, I still burn "mixed" CDs and listen to them.
\\I'm both old and poor
 
2013-07-26 02:25:25 PM

rikkitikkitavi: I have bluetooth, which is great for calls.  But why can't I stream music (pandora, MOG, etc.) via bluetooth to my car audio?  That shouldn't be too complicated, should it?  And yet, it doesn't work.


Ford Sync system? I have the same problem. I thought i would love the Sync system but i hate it. You'd think a 39 year old who grew up with computers would be able to master that damn thing but no! I can make and take phone calls but that's about it. I was able to use Bluetooth audio once and then Sync and my iPhone stopped talking to each other and i had to restore the whole system at the dealer.

My 2001 Explorer had a tape deck and a CD player in it. High end stuff for '01. Perhaps this '11 Fusion is too much for my old brain. Bah!

/angry fist shaking
//still love the car
 
2013-07-26 02:25:46 PM
I have a live mariachi band in the back seat that plays while I drive.

/CSB
//Before it was cool
 
2013-07-26 02:26:15 PM
My car came equipped with a mariachi band:


http://www.primesourceentertainment.com/system/genrephotos/27/sized/M a riachi-bands.jpg?1313628414
 
2013-07-26 02:26:16 PM
My car has had the same NIN CD in it for the last 5 years.  I listen to it every now and then.  The rest is all bluetooth music from my phone.  Goodnight sweet CD players.
 
2013-07-26 02:26:18 PM
I like Hondas, but gods the electronics suck.
 
2013-07-26 02:26:37 PM

sboyle1020: T.rex: Even more useless than a CD player is a factory installed GPS system... Its usually a double-dinn, so it wastes so much real estate, is ugly, is hard to use, and you typically have to pay for the service.   It actually prevented me from buying a particular used car that i otherwise liked a lot.

I love the factory installed GPS in my Acura.  There's no service fee but every so often you need an updated CD to account for new roads, developments etc.


Yeah, I prefer the factory installed aesthetics better.  But the directions it gives are usually utter shiat.
 
2013-07-26 02:26:37 PM
What I find amazing is how poor the interface between car media players and MP3 players continues to be. I rent a lot of cars for work, so I've seen all kinds of insanity.

Probably most common is that the audio systems do not preserve the hierarchy of how music is organized on an iPhone/iPod. If you search by "Artist," for example, and then select an artists, instead of listing all of the albums by that artist, it lists all of the tracks -- so it bypass the album level filter. This is problematic because if you have a dozen albums by that artists, the system then lists a hundred or so tracks.

I've also found that some systems just have a lot of lag -- if you'r scrolling through your collection, sometimes it can take several seconds for track names to be displayed.

Then there's just stupidity where the system automatically sorts tracks within an album alphabetically.

Lastly, lots of systems won't even let you control your iPhone/iPod when it is hooked up.
 
2013-07-26 02:27:58 PM
6 CD changer or your car's a piece of shiat
 
2013-07-26 02:28:40 PM
SoupJohnB
TuteTibiImperes: Enemabag Jones: I know cars are becoming oversized entertainment centers, but let me talk this onion off my belt, pull these loose bees out of my pocket and argue in favor of the CD.
I have thought about going to a USB stereo, but then considered I would have to find the album I wanted. And a touch screen is just as bad. CD's can be burnt from MP3's those arguing that the CD is dead.
It is simply so much easier to flip through a book of CD's, vs having to navigate a menu (touch screen or directory on electronic portable media).
Voice recognition is getting pretty accurate these days. My system automatically indexes the metadata for MP3s for whatever you plug in, iPod, USB stick, etc, and then let's you say 'play album ' or 'play track '. Of course, you have to have MP3s with clean metadata for that to work, and it does stick on some names, especially foreign ones, but for the most part it works well.
And if you happen to curse another driver who cuts you off in traffic after saying "Play?" And you don't have a tune by "You Sonnava *Bleep*?"
My VR system responds, "I'm sorry Dave. But I'm afraid I can't do that."
/don't miss ashtrays in cars, either


The Xbox One car stereo will detect your emotion, put on a commercial for a defensive driving school and play relaxing music.
 
2013-07-26 02:29:03 PM
I'm not up on the latest mp3 stuff, so a lot of my tunes are still on CD. Had a blast a few months back when a friend of mine found and returned a few old cds. Throwing Copper is still an excellent album.
 
2013-07-26 02:29:11 PM

T.rex: Even more useless than a CD player is a factory installed GPS system... Its usually a double-dinn, so it wastes so much real estate, is ugly, is hard to use, and you typically have to pay for the service.   It actually prevented me from buying a particular used car that i otherwise liked a lot.


I've considered installing nav in my [practically antique] car, but it would cost about $1,400 to do so.  Since my phone has up-to-date maps and software, it just doesn't make any sense to spend more than a grand on something redundant.
 
2013-07-26 02:29:24 PM
I have 8-track and an AM radio.  Thinking of putting a mini-plug jack into the AM to accept MP3 players.
 
2013-07-26 02:29:57 PM

HKWolf: rikkitikkitavi: I have bluetooth, which is great for calls.  But why can't I stream music (pandora, MOG, etc.) via bluetooth to my car audio?  That shouldn't be too complicated, should it?  And yet, it doesn't work.

Ford Sync system? I have the same problem. I thought i would love the Sync system but i hate it. You'd think a 39 year old who grew up with computers would be able to master that damn thing but no! I can make and take phone calls but that's about it. I was able to use Bluetooth audio once and then Sync and my iPhone stopped talking to each other and i had to restore the whole system at the dealer.

My 2001 Explorer had a tape deck and a CD player in it. High end stuff for '01. Perhaps this '11 Fusion is too much for my old brain. Bah!

/angry fist shaking
//still love the car


Weird, I have the Sync system and it does bluetooth audio fine.  I think there's a way to pair a phone for bluetooth calls but not audio, and vice versa, or you can have the same device paired for both.  Try hitting the voice button on the steering wheel and saying 'bluetooth audio' after you get in and the phone syncs up, that should do it.
 
2013-07-26 02:30:03 PM

Detinwolf: rikkitikkitavi: Actually found this a while back when researching the same thing:

ah cool, thanks for the info


Personally, I think you have to have a very finely tuned ear to hear the differences in a lot of this stuff; a musicians ear or trained audiophile.  I don't have that ability to distinguish the differences, so it's a matter of convenience and dashboard cleanliness for me.

I'm sure a lot of people can hear it, but I can't.
 
2013-07-26 02:30:37 PM
My parents' Kia has cd player and usb jack. I like to play the Guns N Roses discography mp3 cd i burned when I drive.
 
2013-07-26 02:31:50 PM

rikkitikkitavi: I have bluetooth, which is great for calls.  But why can't I stream music (pandora, MOG, etc.) via bluetooth to my car audio?  That shouldn't be too complicated, should it?  And yet, it doesn't work.

My ideal dash wouldn't merely be a video emulator of the smartphone navi and audio output/speakers to play whatever I dialed up on it.
Oh, and HUD for pertinent auto data.


All the 2012 and 2013 year rental cars I've driven that have bluetooth let you do it.

The sound quality, though, is so-so because of the limited bandwidth of the connection.
 
2013-07-26 02:31:58 PM

germ78: This will only lead to CD listeners flicking burnt CDs out the windows while driving.

/or using them for trashy rear-view mirror decor


Hahah! My friend does this when he gets tired of one of the CDs his girlfriend has burned.
 
2013-07-26 02:32:07 PM
Traded in a car for a 2013 RAM a few weeks ago.  No CD player.  USB port hidden in the fold down console and communicates to radio via Bluetooth.  Found a 64GB USB drive on sale the next day at Best Buy.  All of my music is now in my vehicle.
 
2013-07-26 02:32:16 PM
My CD player skips too damned much to use so I just plug one my iPhone into the aux and I'm good to go.  Someday I'll fork up the money to get a new stereo but they're psychotically expensive for motorcycles
 
2013-07-26 02:32:18 PM

rikkitikkitavi: LoR75: rikkitikkitavi: I have bluetooth, which is great for calls.  But why can't I stream music (pandora, MOG, etc.) via bluetooth to my car audio?  That shouldn't be too complicated, should it?  And yet, it doesn't work.

My ideal dash wouldn't merely be a video emulator of the smartphone navi and audio output/speakers to play whatever I dialed up on it.
Oh, and HUD for pertinent auto data.

What type of car is it?

With ours, I just have to turn on the car, turn on bluetooth on my iPhone, and then wait for it to sync. Once done, I have to press the media button over to bluetooth, and it works without issue.

The only hitch, you have to be in park to do all of that.  Can't do it while waiting at a stoplight or something.

I just had to sync my phone once and now it always recognizes it.  Although, you have to go into the settings of the car to turn on "stream audio through bluetooth" or something like that.

It's a 2006 BMW 550i.  I don't have the "stream audio through bluetooth" option.  Perhaps on new models. Has an AUX jack and bluetooth.  But no AUX via bluetooth.  Grrrrrr....


I think it's only much recently BMW provided bluetooth audio.  My 2011 X5 doesn't have it (though the usb port in the center console is nice), but the newer loaner cars they've given me have had it.
 
2013-07-26 02:32:20 PM
According to ebay, my remaining eight-track collection of the village people, foreigner, and fleetwood mac is worth like $10 now. So I've got that going for me.

//Remember how the players would sometimes eat the cassettes and you'd spend seemingly forever pulling out magnetic tape? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
 
2013-07-26 02:33:15 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Enemabag Jones: I know cars are becoming oversized entertainment centers, but let me talk this onion off my belt, pull these loose bees out of my pocket and argue in favor of the CD.

I have thought about going to a USB stereo, but then considered I would have to find the album I wanted.  And a touch screen is just as bad.  CD's can be burnt from MP3's those arguing that the CD is dead.

It is simply so much easier to flip through a book of CD's, vs having to navigate a menu (touch screen or directory on electronic portable media).

Voice recognition is getting pretty accurate these days.  My system automatically indexes the metadata for MP3s for whatever you plug in, iPod, USB stick, etc, and then let's you say 'play album <whatever>' or 'play track <whatever>'.  Of course, you have to have MP3s with clean metadata for that to work, and it does stick on some names, especially foreign ones, but for the most part it works well.


An acquaintance of mine was working on programming/building a prototype system like this about 10, 12 years ago. The machinery took up most of his trunk, but the voice recognition worked about how you described. He was going to sell it to some manufacturer or another and make a bajillion dollars.

/He did not sell it, nor make a bajillion dollars.
//CSB
 
2013-07-26 02:33:39 PM
What's a cd? And Wtf is a JaRule?
 
2013-07-26 02:34:12 PM
I can do better than all of you.  I have an iPod.... IN MY MIND!
 
2013-07-26 02:34:18 PM
Drove around Germany in the 80's with this built into the back of a GTI, no potholes in Germany so it worked greaaaaaat

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2013-07-26 02:35:06 PM
My first two cars just had radios.  My first car at least had FM/AM radio.  My second car was older and only had AM.  When your only two decent choices are either Radio Disney or Rush Limbaugh...well, crank up the volume and listen to some Rush Limbaugh.  At one point I took an old walkman with a cassette tape, some speakers that plugged in via the headphone jack and listened to music in my car that way (mounted everything in place via double sided tape, the heavy duty stuff found in Home Depot).  Sound quality sucked, but at least it had something better than AM radio.

My third car had the tape deck and I thought it was great.  At that point I was downloading MP3s but I didn't have a CD Burner so I would hook my computer up to my stereo and record my MP3s onto cassette tape.  Then, later on I got a CD Burner and a CD Player for the car.  I drove an old Kia so I couldn't find a car adaptor for the new CD Player so I had to get a bit creative with it's installation, which included mounting brackets and soldering the thing into place.  There was no removable face plate, but that didn't matter since it was mounted to never ever be removed (surrounded the player with sliced up fun noodle to lessen the road vibrations).  The car was broken into twice and both times they tried to remove the CD player.  Both times they failed.

Every car since has had the CD player.  My current car, which is car #7 has the CD player, USB port and aux port.  I don't know where my store bought CDs are any more.
 
2013-07-26 02:35:31 PM

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: I think it's only much recently BMW provided bluetooth audio. My 2011 X5 doesn't have it (though the usb port in the center console is nice), but the newer loaner cars they've given me have had it.


Okay... good to know.  Yeah the USB is nice.  Except when my phone wants to sync data with the car as if it's an external drive and I just want to charge it! I recently got a new phone.  Much cheaper than a new car.
 
2013-07-26 02:36:02 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Weird, I have the Sync system and it does bluetooth audio fine.  I think there's a way to pair a phone for bluetooth calls but not audio, and vice versa, or you can have the same device paired for both.  Try hitting the voice button on the steering wheel and saying 'bluetooth audio' after you get in and the phone syncs up, that should do it.


I got that to work once or twice. I need a Ford Sync cheat sheet in the car....more studying to do...tutoring. The Ford Touch system in my parents' Lincoln is only slightly better. When did cars become smarter than humans....it's Maximum Overdrive in the making!
 
2013-07-26 02:38:38 PM

rikkitikkitavi: It's a 2006 BMW 550i.  I don't have the "stream audio through bluetooth" option.  Perhaps on new models. Has an AUX jack and bluetooth.  But no AUX via bluetooth.  Grrrrrr....


I use this:

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2013-07-26 02:39:13 PM
I thought a lot about this when we bought my wife's Jetta a few years ago. It has a multi-disc (CD/MP3) changer, a (now useless without an adapter since we have iPhone 5s) 30-pin iPod connector and an in-dash SD card slot. All those different formats make you think about the different life cycles at play. Even if you go with SD or USB now, if you're someone who keeps their car for 10-15 years there is a decent chance that those formats will also have been passed by (although at least the USB connector will probably be around for a bit).

So perhaps a better way to go would be to make the physical in-dash components more static and long-lasting, including tactile buttons (to Langdon Alger's point) that you can program for what you need (maybe even put a tiny LED window in the buttons so you can have icons as well) and have a replaceable module in the center console with a standard size and inputs to the dash. Then you can get the module that has the mix of features, devices and inputs you want and when formats switch now you're looking at replacing a $199 unit rather than taking up half your dash panel with something you will never use or will need to buy a bunch of clunky adapters in order to use.
 
2013-07-26 02:39:25 PM

HKWolf: TuteTibiImperes: Weird, I have the Sync system and it does bluetooth audio fine.  I think there's a way to pair a phone for bluetooth calls but not audio, and vice versa, or you can have the same device paired for both.  Try hitting the voice button on the steering wheel and saying 'bluetooth audio' after you get in and the phone syncs up, that should do it.

I got that to work once or twice. I need a Ford Sync cheat sheet in the car....more studying to do...tutoring. The Ford Touch system in my parents' Lincoln is only slightly better. When did cars become smarter than humans....it's Maximum Overdrive in the making!


What year and model is it?
 
2013-07-26 02:40:44 PM

Saul T. Balzac: T.rex: Even more useless than a CD player is a factory installed GPS system... Its usually a double-dinn, so it wastes so much real estate, is ugly, is hard to use, and you typically have to pay for the service.   It actually prevented me from buying a particular used car that i otherwise liked a lot.

I've considered installing nav in my [practically antique] car, but it would cost about $1,400 to do so.  Since my phone has up-to-date maps and software, it just doesn't make any sense to spend more than a grand on something redundant.

 With smart phones + google maps, I'm not sure how companies like Garmin are going to stay in business, or who in the future will buy the in-dash nav system (unless it is standard feature).
I've been using my iPhone as my nav system for the last year. In general I find that it gives clearer voice directions than Garmin (so less of a need to look at the screen), does a better job routing based on traffic conditions, and when I make a wrong turn it recalculates directions faster. (I connect the phone to my car's audio system via USB, so I get the audio over the stereo, and when listening to music via the phone, the iPhone automatically drops the levels on the music when voice directions are announced).
 
2013-07-26 02:41:54 PM
//prefers the warmer sound of vinyl
t0.gstatic.com
Disapproves
 
2013-07-26 02:43:03 PM

tricycleracer: rikkitikkitavi: It's a 2006 BMW 550i.  I don't have the "stream audio through bluetooth" option.  Perhaps on new models. Has an AUX jack and bluetooth.  But no AUX via bluetooth.  Grrrrrr....

I use this:

[images10.newegg.com image 300x225]


Sweet!  Thanks.
 
2013-07-26 02:44:13 PM
ecx.images-amazon.com

Bluetooth, AUX input, integrated Pandora controls, and a CD payer. Love it.

/And blue
//Can't stand red, yellow, green, etc car audio units
 
2013-07-26 02:44:40 PM
WhoopAssWayne:

//Remember how the players would sometimes eat the cassettes and you'd spend seemingly forever pulling out magnetic tape? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

www.theblessedbarrenness.co.za
 
2013-07-26 02:44:41 PM
I don't need no stinking CD player.

jaimeshine.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-26 02:45:24 PM
Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu:
FloydA: Rotating disc media are a stupid thing to put in a moving vehicle.

Yeah, CD and DVD players have been proven to not work in cars at all.


Oh they work.  Slide rules and pocket calculators work just fine too.   Why don't you throw away your computer?
 
2013-07-26 02:45:56 PM
My CD changer favors select songs - not the illusory bias either, everyone who rides with me comments on it if I have it going - and takes forever to swap between discs. Works and sounds great otherwise, but it's irritating enough to finally get me off my ass to convert everything to mp3.
 
2013-07-26 02:46:07 PM

Mr.Poops: I just installed a new CD player in my car 2 weeks ago -- has a USB and Aux port on it too, all 3 of them get used. I like my USB port for keeping 10-15 of my current favorite albums on hand, the AUX port for spotify and pandora and the CD player is for CDs I still buy (only for certain releases).


FYI: most new car radios have functionality for Pandora and Spotify when your phone is connected to the radio via USB -- that is, you can control the programs through the radio's interface.

Check your system's manual, you may have that functionality and thus not need to use the AUX port.
 
2013-07-26 02:46:50 PM

TheGreatGazoo: My 2001 Honda Insight had a factory tape deck and if you wanted a CD player your could buy a factory changer that went in the back hatch.  I don't think they offered in dash CD players until 2005 or something like that.


I've got an in-dash changer on a 2001 Civic. I bought it used, so I couldn't say when the thing was installed (a previous owner customized a few things), but the manual does list the changer as an option.
 
2013-07-26 02:47:25 PM

rikkitikkitavi: tricycleracer: rikkitikkitavi: It's a 2006 BMW 550i.  I don't have the "stream audio through bluetooth" option.  Perhaps on new models. Has an AUX jack and bluetooth.  But no AUX via bluetooth.  Grrrrrr....

I use this:

[images10.newegg.com image 300x225]

Sweet!  Thanks.


Probably should have given you a link, too.  Could you find it?
 
2013-07-26 02:47:31 PM
Are you threatening to steal my truck's sound system? Please don't.
 
2013-07-26 02:47:33 PM

HKWolf: rikkitikkitavi: I have bluetooth, which is great for calls.  But why can't I stream music (pandora, MOG, etc.) via bluetooth to my car audio?  That shouldn't be too complicated, should it?  And yet, it doesn't work.

Ford Sync system? I have the same problem. I thought i would love the Sync system but i hate it. You'd think a 39 year old who grew up with computers would be able to master that damn thing but no! I can make and take phone calls but that's about it. I was able to use Bluetooth audio once and then Sync and my iPhone stopped talking to each other and i had to restore the whole system at the dealer.

My 2001 Explorer had a tape deck and a CD player in it. High end stuff for '01. Perhaps this '11 Fusion is too much for my old brain. Bah!

/angry fist shaking
//still love the car


not familier with the ford synch system, but I will go ahead and say that the next time you need to reset the brain of your vehicle, all you really need to do is yank the positive terminal of the battery, wait ten seconds, then reattach.

however, you shouldnt have to do that at all if the damn thing wasn't buggy ;)

as for the rest of the discussion, I own a 2002 F-150, factory radio, cassette deck... I use a cassette adaptor with my Droid 4.
the droid 4 car dock is pretty sweet for plugging into the deck. but, if the phone isn't sitting in the dock juuuuust right, the audio will flicker from the phone to the deck.
I do need to replace the head unit soonish because... well, its a Ford factory radio. the balance button has decided it doesn't want to work anymore any more for one thing.

My biggest desire in a new head unit is that it has bluetooth. USB next. it would be nice if it was a HD radio, but it is not critical. the ability to play MP3 and WAV would be nice...

I really have no need for a CD player at all anymore.
 
2013-07-26 02:47:37 PM

TuteTibiImperes: You could still buy a car with a factory cassette deck in 2011 - the Mercury Grand Marquis.

I don't think CD players will disappear entirely for a long time, but I do believe that they're on the way out more now than I did a year ago.  The big reason is I bought a vehicle that has Sirius and a USB port - I haven't actually used my CD player in this vehicle since I've bought it.


The 2010 Lexus ES350 had it too. A coworker once owned one.
 
2013-07-26 02:48:33 PM

rikkitikkitavi: I have bluetooth, which is great for calls.  But why can't I stream music (pandora, MOG, etc.) via bluetooth to my car audio?  That shouldn't be too complicated, should it?  And yet, it doesn't work.

My ideal dash wouldn't merely be a video emulator of the smartphone navi and audio output/speakers to play whatever I dialed up on it.
Oh, and HUD for pertinent auto data.


In my wife's new Ford Edge, I can stream Pandora or other music via bluetooth to the audio system, but I still have to use my phone for controls and to see what is playing. Thank god I still have unlimited data!!
 
2013-07-26 02:54:45 PM

rikkitikkitavi: Detinwolf: rikkitikkitavi: Actually found this a while back when researching the same thing:

ah cool, thanks for the info

Personally, I think you have to have a very finely tuned ear to hear the differences in a lot of this stuff; a musicians ear or trained audiophile.  I don't have that ability to distinguish the differences, so it's a matter of convenience and dashboard cleanliness for me.

I'm sure a lot of people can hear it, but I can't.


considering we are talking about the car stereo environment, the lingering white noise in almost all car environments will most likely make the notion moot at the most. I'm more concerned with skipping and chattering than how lossless the rendering is at that point.

of course, this is all personal opinion, I was the primary operator of a beer bottling line for the better part of a decade and, despite the earplugs, my hearing is pertnear shot. your miles may vary
 
2013-07-26 02:54:49 PM

icallhimgamblor: [i1255.photobucket.com image 801x408]
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 500x395]

//prefers the warmer sound of vinyl


media.liveauctiongroup.net
1.bp.blogspot.com
So do I.
 
2013-07-26 02:56:35 PM
My (newish) car has a USB port hidden in the glove box. I can plug in a 64 GB thumb drive and have weeks of music available. That's the good thing -- the bad thing is that for some dumb reason it needs to reindex the music every time the car turns on. This can take up to half an hour on a full stick, which means that for short trips it's a bit useless. Great for road trips, however.
 
2013-07-26 02:57:06 PM

Enemabag Jones: SoupJohnB
TuteTibiImperes: Enemabag Jones: I know cars are becoming oversized entertainment centers, but let me talk this onion off my belt, pull these loose bees out of my pocket and argue in favor of the CD.
I have thought about going to a USB stereo, but then considered I would have to find the album I wanted. And a touch screen is just as bad. CD's can be burnt from MP3's those arguing that the CD is dead.
It is simply so much easier to flip through a book of CD's, vs having to navigate a menu (touch screen or directory on electronic portable media).
Voice recognition is getting pretty accurate these days. My system automatically indexes the metadata for MP3s for whatever you plug in, iPod, USB stick, etc, and then let's you say 'play album ' or 'play track '. Of course, you have to have MP3s with clean metadata for that to work, and it does stick on some names, especially foreign ones, but for the most part it works well.
And if you happen to curse another driver who cuts you off in traffic after saying "Play?" And you don't have a tune by "You Sonnava *Bleep*?"
My VR system responds, "I'm sorry Dave. But I'm afraid I can't do that."
/don't miss ashtrays in cars, either

The Xbox One car stereo will detect your emotion, put on a commercial for a defensive driving school and play relaxing music.


csb/ I have a handheld radio scanner from Radio Shack that picks up Wx, Marine, Ham, Emergency and other frequencies within short range. It picked up the local po-leece, too, until they switched to encrypted signals.  Perfectly legal at the time, unless used during the commission of a crime.  During my daily commutes, it was either that or NPR on the car radio, in order to focus on getting there and back in one piece.  The Cop/EMS/Fire dispatchers and responders were often more entertaining (and definitely more useful), at times.
 
2013-07-26 02:57:37 PM
I've got a tape deck with auto-reverse. And it's got the scan feature so I can FF to the next song just by hitting one button. Works almost every time.

/don't actually know if the tape deck still works
 
2013-07-26 02:58:07 PM

Saul T. Balzac: WhoopAssWayne:

//Remember how the players would sometimes eat the cassettes and you'd spend seemingly forever pulling out magnetic tape? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[www.theblessedbarrenness.co.za image 600x450]


Ooh. I remember this one. When the player pulls all the tape out of the cassette and get's it all scrunched up from wrapping around that little rubber thingy you use the pencil to stab yourself in the eye out of frustration.
 
2013-07-26 02:58:16 PM

T.rex: Even more useless than a CD player is a factory installed GPS system... Its usually a double-dinn, so it wastes so much real estate, is ugly, is hard to use, and you typically have to pay for the service.   It actually prevented me from buying a particular used car that i otherwise liked a lot.


What happens when you need to upgrade the map? I know companies like TomTom want a stupid price. I don't want to know what Ford would charge.
 
2013-07-26 02:58:44 PM

tetsoushima: [www.nobodygoeshere.com image 769x669]
Are we finished here?


That is pretty much dead on.
 
2013-07-26 02:59:05 PM
Good riddance.

Want to know where the CD changer is on a 2001 Mercedes ML 320?

In the TRUNK.

AND you have to unscrew 2 screws to take off the stupid plastic panel.

AND THEN you have to unscrew the screw that holds the mini swing gate holding the CD changer, because you can't access it when it is recessed.

Ugh.
 
2013-07-26 02:59:33 PM
Reading the comments here, I'm way, WAY behind the times, apparently. I use CDs when I'm driving. And before I got a girlfriend/wife who comes with me on long trips and messes up the order, I had it nearly memorized so I could switch without taking my eyes off the road for more than a half second. (Yeah, poor me, right?) It works great for me, and I don't have to invest in some sort of iPod.

Also, I hate GPS, which every car seems to be coming with these days. My wife keeps pulling the damn thing out, when a map would work much better.
 
2013-07-26 03:00:17 PM
I don't have one any more because someone stole it out of my car last week.
 
2013-07-26 03:00:27 PM

Langdon Alger: one thing that sucks about a touch screen is a lack of ergonomics. Actual buttons can  have shape and texture so that one can operate them without taking your eyes off the road. With a touch screen its one big flat surface. Try and operate that thing without actually looking at it and you find that you've turned it from AC to heat, and you're listening to gospel radio. Or take your eyes off the road to fiddle about with menus and what not and wind up tail grabbing the ass of the car in front of you.


bingo

Dials and knobs are great for tactile recognition and now that they're all flat, relatively safe too.
 
2013-07-26 03:01:40 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 850x267]

Bluetooth, AUX input, integrated Pandora controls, and a CD payer. Love it.

/And blue
//Can't stand red, yellow, green, etc car audio units


Thanks for the tip. My wife's been looking for something like this.
 
2013-07-26 03:02:01 PM

tetsoushima: [www.nobodygoeshere.com image 769x669]
Are we finished here?


My GM XM Radio has an aux input and it sucks.  The volume is halved, so you need to turn the volume up all the way to hear anything.  Then when you pull the aux jack out you are deafened.

Would much rather have a USB port or at least Bluetooth.
 
2013-07-26 03:02:18 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: Reading the comments here, I'm way, WAY behind the times, apparently. I use CDs when I'm driving. And before I got a girlfriend/wife who comes with me on long trips and messes up the order, I had it nearly memorized so I could switch without taking my eyes off the road for more than a half second. (Yeah, poor me, right?) It works great for me, and I don't have to invest in some sort of iPod.

Also, I hate GPS, which every car seems to be coming with these days. My wife keeps pulling the damn thing out, when a map would work much better.


Whew, I am not alone. I was reading this thread thinking the same thing.

Admittedly, I have an iPod with one of those frequency adapters but I don't use it anymore because it sounds like sh*t.

And I have 50 disc changer. Watch this. *pushes eject puts in new CD*

BOOOM!
 
2013-07-26 03:03:07 PM
1-photos.ebizautos.com

See the panel in the foreground on the right? That's where it is.
 
2013-07-26 03:03:10 PM
SoupJohnB ,
csb/ I have a handheld radio scanner from Radio Shack that picks up Wx, Marine, Ham, Emergency and other frequencies within short range. It picked up the local po-leece, too, until they switched to encrypted signals.  Perfectly legal at the time, unless used during the commission of a crime.  During my daily commutes, it was either that or NPR on the car radio, in order to focus on getting there and back in one piece.  The Cop/EMS/Fire dispatchers and responders were often more entertaining (and definitely more useful), at times.

Some of the encrypted voice networks seem comparable to network lan's.  There are some radios out there that will pick up more then just the voices.  Per my understanding only the federal government uses AES.
 
2013-07-26 03:04:55 PM

Marcintosh: Langdon Alger: one thing that sucks about a touch screen is a lack of ergonomics. Actual buttons can  have shape and texture so that one can operate them without taking your eyes off the road. With a touch screen its one big flat surface. Try and operate that thing without actually looking at it and you find that you've turned it from AC to heat, and you're listening to gospel radio. Or take your eyes off the road to fiddle about with menus and what not and wind up tail grabbing the ass of the car in front of you.

bingo

Dials and knobs are great for tactile recognition and now that they're all flat, relatively safe too.


The best solutions are the ones that combine touch screen, steering wheel controls, and physical knobs/buttons.  I can control my volume, track/preset skip, phone, voice control, etc, with the steering wheel; fan speed, vent settings, and temperature are all controlled with knobs; and navigation, deep audio settings (bass/treble/balance/fade/etc), vehicle settings, browsing through Sirius, and other features that benefit from a reconfigurable screen are all on the touch screen.

Different input methods are better for different things.  The most commonly used features can go on the steering wheel, the next most common get physical buttons, and the settings that won't be changed often get a touch-screen layout page.  It saves on button clutter and makes for excellent usability.
 
2013-07-26 03:05:05 PM
I have an after-market on my Xterra. Even then I wished there were ones without CD players. I didn't seem to find any, though. I guess that'll change.
 
2013-07-26 03:05:15 PM

mainstreet62: Good riddance.

Want to know where the CD changer is on a 2001 Mercedes ML 320?

In the TRUNK.

AND you have to unscrew 2 screws to take off the stupid plastic panel.

AND THEN you have to unscrew the screw that holds the mini swing gate holding the CD changer, because you can't access it when it is recessed.

Ugh.


Don't even get me started on the wii bar.
i939.photobucket.com

/nicely done 7/10
 
2013-07-26 03:06:28 PM
I have a new vehicle and it has Sirius/XM, CD, two SD connections, and an iPod connection. Add to that a bluetooth audio connection and I think I have just about everything covered.

I will say that CD audio sounds /much/ clearer than even my best ripped mp3s on this system though.


I don't think CD is going away, but it certainly won't be prevalent like it has been for the past decade.
 
2013-07-26 03:06:40 PM

tetsoushima: Are we finished here?


Heh. I bought a car earlier this year, and my two must-have features were an aux jack, and the outside temperature on the dash.

So I feel you.

tl;dr: This.
 
2013-07-26 03:08:22 PM

verbaltoxin: CtrlAltDestroy: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 850x267]

Bluetooth, AUX input, integrated Pandora controls, and a CD payer. Love it.

/And blue
//Can't stand red, yellow, green, etc car audio units

Thanks for the tip. My wife's been looking for something like this.


If you like that one in particular, get it now. That particular model is over a year old and wont be around much longer. I paid $130 for mine. They're under $100 now. Sony MEX BT-3000P.
 
2013-07-26 03:09:31 PM
I loooooove the Bluetooth link in my car. I drive terribly when I'm messing around with it or shouting at her until she understands which input device I want.
 
2013-07-26 03:11:09 PM

groppet: As long as I can still get Creedence on my 8 track man.


Ah, I wouldn't hold out much hope for the Creedence.

/They got us workin' shifts.
 
2013-07-26 03:11:38 PM
I just bought a 2001 BMW 540i wagon from a friend and was amused to find a tape deck. It's been a while since I've had a car with one (my other car is a 2005 Mustang GT with 6-disc in dash changer). Thankfully the tape deck is hidden behind a little fold down faux-wood panel so I don't have to look at it.

My Mustang has a $70 unit installed to give me an aux in for iPod connectivity to the factory head unit. The BMW is getting a similar unit to give iPod, USB (for phone or flash media), and Bluetooth connectivity with the factory system that's running about $300. With the amount of podcasts I listen to, though, it's a requirement to transition it to be my daily driver. I suppose I could have gone with the tape deck to aux as has been linked to in picture form multiple times here, but...not the cleanest look.

Not only does the 540 have a tape deck, it also has the 6-cd changer...in the trunk! I remember the days when that was a luxury option/big deal to get installed on your car. That's going away as the USB/iPod/Bluetooth module is taking its place (unfortunately the only way to do the install).

I would've gone the replacement head unit route, but the DSP amp (premium audio) in the 540 apparently has zero compatibility with aftermarket head units...so I would've needed to replace the speakers and amp as well. Bad times.
 
2013-07-26 03:12:25 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: groppet: As long as I can still get Creedence on my 8 track man.

Ah, I wouldn't hold out much hope for the Creedence.

/They got us workin' shifts.


Haha....niiiiiiiice
 
2013-07-26 03:13:00 PM

tricycleracer: rikkitikkitavi: tricycleracer: rikkitikkitavi: It's a 2006 BMW 550i.  I don't have the "stream audio through bluetooth" option.  Perhaps on new models. Has an AUX jack and bluetooth.  But no AUX via bluetooth.  Grrrrrr....

I use this:

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Sweet!  Thanks.

Probably should have given you a link, too.  Could you find it?


yup.  googled belkin aux usb interface.  $80 ain't bad.  might find it cheaper on amazon or ebay.  thanks for the idea.
 
2013-07-26 03:13:11 PM

endosymbiont: tetsoushima: Are we finished here?

Add a volume knob, and then yes! Want!


That and a clock was gonna be my suggestion too. (And the bluetooth thing, but because I'm cheap and don't use that now it didn't occur to me.)

I May Be Crazy But...: Reading the comments here, I'm way, WAY behind the times, apparently. I use CDs when I'm driving. And before I got a girlfriend/wife who comes with me on long trips and messes up the order, I had it nearly memorized so I could switch without taking my eyes off the road for more than a half second. (Yeah, poor me, right?) It works great for me, and I don't have to invest in some sort of iPod.


I was in your shoes for a while, but for a couple of reasons the "hook my phone up" is way more convenient. (E.g. there's not really much of anywhere to put CDs within arm's reach of the driver.) No bluetooth use yet though; was too cheap to buy a bluetooth-capable stereo when my decade-old, trunk-mount CD changer crapped out.

I May Be Crazy But...: Also, I hate GPS, which every car seems to be coming with these days. My wife keeps pulling the damn thing out, when a map would work much better.


From the crazy position of actually never having used a GPS nav system personally, there are a bunch of benefits to them. (There are a bunch of drawbacks too; in particular, maps give a better overall picture if they are at the right scale.) You can't really use maps while driving, while GPSs are at least possible to use safely if you don't actually mess with them and just use them for turn-by-turn directions. Maps also are fixed at a single scale, and a road atlas only gives maps at one scale for most of the country, very rarely more than two, and I've never seen one with more than three. (I guess you can add 1 to those numbers if you count, say, the big whole-US map that's probably at the start.) GPSs have a much broader range of knowledge, knowing about local roads across very wide scales.

That said, I love maps, and get somewhat passionate about how terrible online maps are in many ways in compared to printed maps. (In many ways Google maps are one of the worst, though they do shine when it comes to hyper-local information like labeling the location of specific businesses when you zoom in enough to only see a few blocks.)
 
2013-07-26 03:15:24 PM

cyberspacedout: TheGreatGazoo: My 2001 Honda Insight had a factory tape deck and if you wanted a CD player your could buy a factory changer that went in the back hatch.  I don't think they offered in dash CD players until 2005 or something like that.

I've got an in-dash changer on a 2001 Civic. I bought it used, so I couldn't say when the thing was installed (a previous owner customized a few things), but the manual does list the changer as an option.


My 2001 Civic has a single-slot CD player. I think it was standard equipment.
 
2013-07-26 03:15:41 PM

TuteTibiImperes: The best solutions are the ones that combine touch screen, steering wheel controls, and physical knobs/buttons.  I can control my volume, track/preset skip, phone, voice control, etc, with the steering wheel; fan speed, vent settings, and temperature are all controlled with knobs; and navigation, deep audio settings (bass/treble/balance/fade/etc), vehicle settings, browsing through Sirius, and other features that benefit from a reconfigurable screen are all on the touch screen.

Different input methods are better for different things.  The most commonly used features can go on the steering wheel, the next most common get physical buttons, and the settings that won't be changed often get a touch-screen layout page.  It saves on button clutter and makes for excellent usability.


I can see how what you're describing can keep there from being a million and one buttons and knobs on the center console, but I just can't stand the buttons on the steering wheel. I don't know why it bothers me so much - it certainly isn't functional considerations - but I just can't seem to drive comfortably in a vehicle with it.
 
2013-07-26 03:17:21 PM
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2013-07-26 03:18:13 PM
Watch as the hipsters from 20 years from now flock to CDs.
 
2013-07-26 03:18:29 PM
Yet AM radio will keep living on.
 
2013-07-26 03:19:54 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I can control my volume, track/preset skip, phone, voice control, etc, with the steering wheel; fan speed, vent settings, and temperature are all controlled with knobs;


Personally, I hate button-based volume controls; knobs are where it's at. Every button volume controller I've used is either too slow to respond if you're like "OMG LOUD SONG MY EARS" or too finicky. I'm much rather have a knob-based volume control and put the temperature controllers on the steering wheel.

Fuggin Bizzy: ...and the outside temperature on the dash.

Not knocking your preference, but as someone who never understood the use of that.... why? :-) Is it so you have an approximation of how much you have to worry about snow/ice on the road or something like that?
 
2013-07-26 03:20:47 PM
I May Be Crazy But...,
TuteTibiImperes: The best solutions are the ones that combine touch screen, steering wheel controls, and physical knobs/buttons. I can control my volume, track/preset skip, phone, voice control, etc, with the steering wheel; fan speed, vent settings, and temperature are all controlled with knobs; and navigation, deep audio settings (bass/treble/balance/fade/etc), vehicle settings, browsing through Sirius, and other features that benefit from a reconfigurable screen are all on the touch screen.
Different input methods are better for different things. The most commonly used features can go on the steering wheel, the next most common get physical buttons, and the settings that won't be changed often get a touch-screen layout page. It saves on button clutter and makes for excellent usability.
I can see how what you're describing can keep there from being a million and one buttons and knobs on the center console, but I just can't stand the buttons on the steering wheel. I don't know why it bothers me so much - it certainly isn't functional considerations - but I just can't seem to drive comfortably in a vehicle with it.


I could see a HUD display used in combination with steering wheel to effectively what touch screen fails at, assuming some patent troll isn't effectively blocking such ideas.

/Then again, be careful what you wish for, next we will have people reading books or emails on the HUD.
 
2013-07-26 03:21:03 PM
Not much for the paint job or neon personally, but this car has a killer CD changer:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmLUMxT6G2I#t=58s
 
2013-07-26 03:21:09 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: but I just can't stand the buttons on the steering wheel. I don't know why it bothers me so much - it certainly isn't functional considerations - but I just can't seem to drive comfortably in a vehicle with it.


I get all stabby when I drive my wifes car because there's no volume control on the steering wheel.  Makin' me have to extend my right arm is way to much effort...
 
2013-07-26 03:21:28 PM
Haven't used my cd player in years since i replaced mp3s burned to a disc with my phone plugged into the auxilliary port to listen to my mp3s, pandora or tuneinradio.

My mothers 2004 toyota still has a factory dual cd/cassette deck
 
2013-07-26 03:22:31 PM
Cuz mp3's sound AWESOME!!

/not
 
2013-07-26 03:22:36 PM

Fubegra: Watch as the hipsters from 20 years from now flock to CDs.


That is brilliant and frustrating all at once.
 
2013-07-26 03:23:41 PM
bingethinker: My 2001 Civic has a single-slot CD player. I think it was standard equipment.

Nope. I have a 2002 Civic that was graciously gifted to me by my parents when they got a new car, and my stock stereo had no CD player and a tape deck. :-)

The head unit did, however, know how to control aftermarket CD players, and my parents installed one. When that went kaput I put in an aftermarket stereo which is much more complicated and has a sucky clock, but does have an aux input (without using a tape adapter, which I've always thought was terrible).

/Possibly a CD player could have been standard on one of the fancier models though; mine's the basic 4-door sedan (DX?).
 
2013-07-26 03:27:57 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: TuteTibiImperes: The best solutions are the ones that combine touch screen, steering wheel controls, and physical knobs/buttons.  I can control my volume, track/preset skip, phone, voice control, etc, with the steering wheel; fan speed, vent settings, and temperature are all controlled with knobs; and navigation, deep audio settings (bass/treble/balance/fade/etc), vehicle settings, browsing through Sirius, and other features that benefit from a reconfigurable screen are all on the touch screen.

Different input methods are better for different things.  The most commonly used features can go on the steering wheel, the next most common get physical buttons, and the settings that won't be changed often get a touch-screen layout page.  It saves on button clutter and makes for excellent usability.

I can see how what you're describing can keep there from being a million and one buttons and knobs on the center console, but I just can't stand the buttons on the steering wheel. I don't know why it bothers me so much - it certainly isn't functional considerations - but I just can't seem to drive comfortably in a vehicle with it.


Some are better designed than others.  I like this layout:

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The buttons are there, within easy thumb reach while steering, but not in the way when you're not trying to push them.

Something like this doesn't look as ergonomic to me:

images.gtcarlot.com

The phone and voice control buttons in particular being so far down on the wheel, it looks like you'd have to contort your hand awkwardly to hit them.

Chrysler does something interesting and puts some of the controls on the back of the steering wheel, where you can't see them, but you can easily flick them with your finger while your hands are on the wheel.  Ergonomically I'm not sure how I feel about that, I mean, they're in easy reach, but at the same time, having hidden buttons seems like a bad idea on the surface.  They're probably easy to get the hang of if you own a vehicle with them though.
 
2013-07-26 03:28:06 PM

fireclown: Fubegra: Watch as the hipsters from 20 years from now flock to CDs.

That is brilliant and frustrating all at once.


cassettes though, nobody likes those things
 
2013-07-26 03:28:53 PM

evaned: I May Be Crazy But...: Reading the comments here, I'm way, WAY behind the times, apparently. I use CDs when I'm driving. And before I got a girlfriend/wife who comes with me on long trips and messes up the order, I had it nearly memorized so I could switch without taking my eyes off the road for more than a half second. (Yeah, poor me, right?) It works great for me, and I don't have to invest in some sort of iPod.

I was in your shoes for a while, but for a couple of reasons the "hook my phone up" is way more convenient. (E.g. there's not really much of anywhere to put CDs within arm's reach of the driver.) No bluetooth use yet though; was too cheap to buy a bluetooth-capable stereo when my decade-old, trunk-mount CD changer crapped out.


I've used my wife's iPod in her car (and mine with one of those radio do-dads). It's a pain in the ass to get what I want on it. The thing seems to be designed so you can get what you want easily if you're looking at it. Which is, of course, the one thing I'm not about to do while I'm driving. I guess I go lucky with the layout of my truck - there's a really convenient spot for me to put a CD case and a canteen of water. It's amazing how nice my truck is for long trips.

evaned: From the crazy position of actually never having used a GPS nav system personally, there are a bunch of benefits to them. (There are a bunch of drawbacks too; in particular, maps give a better overall picture if they are at the right scale.) You can't really use maps while driving, while GPSs are at least possible to use safely if you don't actually mess with them and just use them for turn-by-turn directions. Maps also are fixed at a single scale, and a road atlas only gives maps at one scale for most of the country, very rarely more than two, and I've never seen one with more than three. (I guess you can add 1 to those numbers if you count, say, the big whole-US map that's probably at the start.) GPSs have a much broader range of knowledge, knowing about local roads across very wide scales.


I've used maps on all my long trips and never had a problem with the drawbacks you mention. I just pull over and spread it on the hood if I need to figure out where I am when I'm in the middle of the road (and smile and wave at the folks flying past looking at me like I'm a crazy man). For turn by turn directions, I keep a pad of paper around to write the basics on (in neat print so I can read it at a glance) and just writing it seems to make me memorize it for anything but the most complicated stuff. For local directions far from home, I just ask people. That's what locals are for - directions and food recommendations.

I guess it also doesn't hurt that I have a stack of over 30 maps in my truck. A few overview type ones, then the states I've driven through recently, and last some city maps. I also have a couple recreation type maps that mark all the State Parks in a state, that sort of thing. When I'm up for camping, it makes it easy to find a place to sleep.
 
2013-07-26 03:31:49 PM

falcon176: fireclown: Fubegra: Watch as the hipsters from 20 years from now flock to CDs.

That is brilliant and frustrating all at once.

cassettes though, nobody likes those things


I would assume, although there is a weird love out there for vinyl.
 
Ant
2013-07-26 03:32:48 PM
I want something like this, but I want to be able to pop the tablet out so the crackheads don't break my windows to get it.
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jho-forums.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-07-26 03:33:25 PM

Honest Bender: My pickup just has an AM/FM radio.  No joke. Not even a tape deck.

/I drive in silence, mostly.


you need one of those adaptors so you can tune in your radio in to your mp3 player.

Pretty handy if you have no aux jack or cassete player
 
2013-07-26 03:33:33 PM

muck4doo: Yet AM radio will keep living on.


What else am I going to listen to right-wing idiots on? I mean, my wife can listen to me (I'm an idiot, but not right-wing) but I've got nothing.

Also it's nice for when there's flashing signs telling you to tune to 610 for highway information and there's a report with more static than information. "...Kshh Kssshhh Highway Ksh Ksh Ksh die terribly Ksshhh Ksshh..."
 
2013-07-26 03:34:14 PM
Well my 2000 Cavalier is for sale in case anyone still wants one...
 
2013-07-26 03:35:14 PM
First car I ever owned had only an AM radio and the second one, the one I drive now, has only an AM/FM radio with cassette, guess now I can upgrade to one with a CD player since they are now out of date.

Yeah, I buy and then drive used cars into the ground (and well maybe a little more) so sue me.
 
2013-07-26 03:35:20 PM
The first time I drove a car that had USB in the armrest and in-dash controls/monitor displaying track info, I was hooked. That was about 3 or 4 years ago.

I'm walking around with 7,000 goddamn songs on my phone. Songs I spent decades collecting, storing, preserving and (finally) encoding. Why in god's holy name would I want to listen to farking radio ever again? Or mess around with 3.5-inch media and jewel cases?

/can't wait for my drive home
//even if it is friday rush hour
 
2013-07-26 03:38:31 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Some are better designed than others.  I like this layout:

The buttons are there, within easy thumb reach while steering, but not in the way when you're not trying to push them.


Nope. fark that. The reasoning, gadget happy part of my mind says that looks great. But emotionally, that's abhorrent to me.
 
2013-07-26 03:38:59 PM

my herniated disc: Honest Bender: My pickup just has an AM/FM radio.  No joke. Not even a tape deck.

/I drive in silence, mostly.

you need one of those adaptors so you can tune in your radio in to your mp3 player.

Pretty handy if you have no aux jack or cassete player


That is what I have. Maybe you have had better luck, but I have used mine and I swear it sounded like the 80s driving across the farmland of Kansas trying to hear a station in a city 150 miles away.

And then you pass a semi and FFFFFFFFFFFFFFHASDRQWDJFSVNADFHFFAFASDFATTTTTTTT

or you pass another car and all of a sudden you are listening to the Backstreet Boys

SUCKS
 
2013-07-26 03:39:06 PM
i have a 6-disc in-dash factory scion (pioneer) unit in my 05 xb

it works great, and plays mp3 cds. problem is i have only about 20 cds now...sold the majority (some 1200 cds) and all my dvds about 3 years ago. and i'm rarely buying new cds. almost never. bought the new ac/dc "black ice" when it came out, and now i'm anxiously awaiting my buddy's band to release their new cd next month (shameless plug: www.jasonhelmsband.com )

i don't have a smart phone. i have an awesome little 4gb sansa clip mp3 player (with a 4gb micro sd card added, so 8gb). most of the music on it is essentially rented, using my rhapsody subscription, so it can't be burned to a cd.

i have no auxilary jack to plug the mp3 player into, and i have a lot of trouble in the dfw metroplex trying to find an empty radio frequency to play an fm adapter thru.

do you farkers know if it's possible for a place like cartoys to wire in an aux jack to the factory stereo?
 
2013-07-26 03:39:32 PM
I have a flash drive with about 250 albums on it.  I love it.
 
Ant
2013-07-26 03:43:50 PM

WhoopAssWayne: According to ebay, my remaining eight-track collection of the village people, foreigner, and fleetwood mac is worth like $10 now. So I've got that going for me.

//Remember how the players would sometimes eat the cassettes and you'd spend seemingly forever pulling out magnetic tape? Pepperidge Farm remembers.


Things I remember about 8-tracks:

Ka-chunk!
Songs in the wrong farking order
 
2013-07-26 03:46:21 PM
A CD player in your car?  How delightfully quaint!
 
2013-07-26 03:47:00 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: I've used my wife's iPod in her car (and mine with one of those radio do-dads). It's a pain in the ass to get what I want on it. The thing seems to be designed so you can get what you want easily if you're looking at it. Which is, of course, the one thing I'm not about to do while I'm driving. I guess I go lucky with the layout of my truck - there's a really convenient spot for me to put a CD case and a canteen of water. It's amazing how nice my truck is for long trips.


I sort of agree, but sort of feel like you do when you talked about having the CD order organized. I can do a fair bit of stuff without looking at all, and the remainder only requires a few quick glances off of the screen. It  does seem like I play stuff that appears at the beginning or end of the list more often than other things, though. :-)

I May Be Crazy But...: For turn by turn directions, I keep a pad of paper around to write the basics on (in neat print so I can read it at a glance) and just writing it seems to make me memorize it for anything but the most complicated stuff. For local directions far from home, I just ask people. That's what locals are for - directions and food recommendations.


I do exactly the same thing; in fact, I just did a few hours ago. But this doesn't cover all cases. What if there's an accident or other detour and you have to go off your route that you copied? Especially if you don't like talking to people. :-) (Or it's 2am.)

I May Be Crazy But...: I guess it also doesn't hurt that I have a stack of over 30 maps in my truck. A few overview type ones, then the states I've driven through recently, and last some city maps.


The city maps would be nice. I tend to go with an atlas, and used to carry around larger state maps for some states in my glove box but almost never look at them. (Actually I almost never look at the atlas either, but whatever.)

I have been in one situation where a GPS  might have been  extremely helpful. I was coming back from visiting my parents, there was a pileup on I-80, and the detour route was horrendously backed up. Probably would have taken at least 2 hours to go 10 miles around that segment of the interstate. There was no alternative route on my atlas's map, so I just sort of turned around and winged it, driving on random roads through farm country that seemed to go in the right direction. I think I might have hit gravel roads during that. I came out on the other side after like 20 minutes of driving, but it could just of easily have dead-ended. I have no idea if that route would have been found by GPSs*, but it would have been  really nice to know that it would actually work ahead of time. (* Actually now that I think about it, since no one else was taking it and this wasn't all that long ago, I doubt not.)

On the other hand, that kind of  was a fun adventure. :-)

Like I said, I love maps and also like to know where I'm going beforehand, so I'd be unlikely to replace most of my uses of maps now. But I would kind of like to have GPS for contingencies and other times when I decide I want to do something in unfamiliar territory that I hadn't planned on ahead of time.
 
2013-07-26 03:48:21 PM

evaned: endosymbiont: tetsoushima: Are we finished here?

Add a volume knob, and then yes! Want!

That and a clock was gonna be my suggestion too. (And the bluetooth thing, but because I'm cheap and don't use that now it didn't occur to me.)


Seriously, I want a car stereo in which the interface parts consist of: a volume knob (knob, not buttons) on the dashboard, and an aux input jack in the compartment in the center console--nothing else.
 
2013-07-26 03:50:40 PM

muck4doo: Yet AM radio will keep living on.


As long as a significant portion of the population has a deep-seated need to be furiously angry at all times, AM radio has nothing to worry about.
 
2013-07-26 03:52:34 PM
I couldn't tell you the last time I played a commercially produced CD album (~10-20 tracks in wav format) in my car, but new CD drives read and play all modern formats (mp3, wma, etc.) so in a pinch for whatever reason, you can pop a data CD in there with a couple hundred mp3 files on there depending on their bitrate and track length.
 
2013-07-26 03:52:45 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: muck4doo: Yet AM radio will keep living on.

As long as a significant portion of the population has a deep-seated need to be furiously angry at all times, AM radio has nothing to worry about.


Have they not looked into podcasts?  I love being angry, and podcasting is the bomb.
 
2013-07-26 03:54:46 PM

Ant: I want something like this, but I want to be able to pop the tablet out so the crackheads don't break my windows to get it.
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There are plenty of dash covers that allow you to pop the tablet out.
 
2013-07-26 03:56:48 PM
My 2006 Altima doesn't have a jack or USB port. What the hell was I thinking!

/I do have over 500 cds though
//which is nice
 
2013-07-26 03:56:52 PM

Xenomech: A CD player in your car?  How delightfully quaint!


High quality sound in your car? How cute!
 
2013-07-26 03:58:34 PM
My antique Rolls Royce came with a tiny little slave who sings old time minstrel songs. Oh for the good old days!
 
2013-07-26 04:00:02 PM
Put me down as one of those who still uses the CD player in the car. 3 discs are CD-RWs that get updated with new music ever few months (or for the next long car trip) while the other 3 rotate through regular CD-R copies of CDs. (No, not going to keep the original CDs in the car.)

On long car trips, we do books on CDs. Last year drove down to Orlando and back listening to "The Help" by Kathryn Stockett.
 
2013-07-26 04:02:44 PM
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This is How I ROLL!
 
2013-07-26 04:03:07 PM
I've never used the CD player in my car. I started out with a wired FM transmitter to connect my phone, but I quickly switched to a Bluetooth FM Transmitter for ultimate wireless connectivity.
 
2013-07-26 04:05:22 PM

BretMavrik: I thought a lot about this when we bought my wife's Jetta a few years ago. It has a multi-disc (CD/MP3) changer, a (now useless without an adapter since we have iPhone 5s) 30-pin iPod connector and an in-dash SD card slot. All those different formats make you think about the different life cycles at play. Even if you go with SD or USB now, if you're someone who keeps their car for 10-15 years there is a decent chance that those formats will also have been passed by (although at least the USB connector will probably be around for a bit).

So perhaps a better way to go would be to make the physical in-dash components more static and long-lasting, including tactile buttons (to Langdon Alger's point) that you can program for what you need (maybe even put a tiny LED window in the buttons so you can have icons as well) and have a replaceable module in the center console with a standard size and inputs to the dash. Then you can get the module that has the mix of features, devices and inputs you want and when formats switch now you're looking at replacing a $199 unit rather than taking up half your dash panel with something you will never use or will need to buy a bunch of clunky adapters in order to use.



They tried that, it was called 00 or 'double-din' and the auto companies decided they would much rather have you come back to them for an expensive upgrade with OEM parts (if you wanted to get a more up-to-date audio system), as opposed to you being able to pick what you wanted from a place like Amazon or Crutchfield- install it yourself.

Which is why I plan on keeping my 2006 Fusion for as long as possible.
 
2013-07-26 04:08:31 PM
fatkidinabeenie,
This is How I ROLL!

I want to see that work on youtube!
 
2013-07-26 04:15:16 PM
lh3.googleusercontent.com

that's how I roll!
 
2013-07-26 04:16:22 PM

rikkitikkitavi: LoR75: rikkitikkitavi: I have bluetooth, which is great for calls.  But why can't I stream music (pandora, MOG, etc.) via bluetooth to my car audio?  That shouldn't be too complicated, should it?  And yet, it doesn't work.

My ideal dash wouldn't merely be a video emulator of the smartphone navi and audio output/speakers to play whatever I dialed up on it.
Oh, and HUD for pertinent auto data.

What type of car is it?

With ours, I just have to turn on the car, turn on bluetooth on my iPhone, and then wait for it to sync. Once done, I have to press the media button over to bluetooth, and it works without issue.

The only hitch, you have to be in park to do all of that.  Can't do it while waiting at a stoplight or something.

I just had to sync my phone once and now it always recognizes it.  Although, you have to go into the settings of the car to turn on "stream audio through bluetooth" or something like that.

It's a 2006 BMW 550i.  I don't have the "stream audio through bluetooth" option.  Perhaps on new models. Has an AUX jack and bluetooth.  But no AUX via bluetooth.  Grrrrrr....


Sounds like you might have an older Bluetooth version 1.0?
 
2013-07-26 04:18:54 PM

mainstreet62: [1-photos.ebizautos.com image 640x480]

See the panel in the foreground on the right? That's where it is.


The body?
 
2013-07-26 04:30:14 PM
TuteTibiImperes: Marcintosh: Langdon Alger: one thing that sucks about a touch screen is a lack of ergonomics. Actual buttons can  have shape and texture so that one can operate them without taking your eyes off the road. With a touch screen its one big flat surface. Try and operate that thing without actually looking at it and you find that you've turned it from AC to heat, and you're listening to gospel radio. Or take your eyes off the road to fiddle about with menus and what not and wind up tail grabbing the ass of the car in front of you.
bingo
Dials and knobs are great for tactile recognition and now that they're all flat, relatively safe too.
The best solutions are the ones that combine touch screen, steering wheel controls, and physical knobs/buttons.  I can control my volume, track/preset skip, phone, voice control, etc, with the steering wheel; fan speed, vent settings, and temperature are all controlled with knobs; and navigation, deep audio settings (bass/treble/balance/fade/etc), vehicle settings, browsing through Sirius, and other features that benefit from a reconfigurable screen are all on the touch screen.


Different input methods are better for different things.  The most commonly used features can go on the steering wheel, the next most common get physical buttons, and the settings that won't be changed often get a touch-screen layout page.  It saves on button clutter and makes for excellent usability.


YOU my fine friend should get a consulting position at TOM TOM.  They could use a person with mad skillz like yours.
seriously.Worst. GPS. Evar.
 
2013-07-26 04:32:34 PM

fatkidinabeenie: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x293]
[ppa-usa.com image 500x500]
[denicek.zestoda.net image 340x340]

This is How I ROLL!


Well played, sirrah.
 
2013-07-26 04:36:50 PM

evaned: GPSs have a much broader range of knowledge, knowing about local roads across very wide scales.


This. Our Garmin even covers the one lane gravel roads running through local farms, which don't appear on paper maps. (Live in Middle of Nowhere, NC)

The downside is that it tries to send you down them as the 'shortest route', so you have to know which ones are good for shortcuts and which will get you a windshield full of rock salt from a 12 gauge.


IRT the iPod/radio transmitters: I broke down and bought a high quality name brand one for around $100 and haven't had a single transmission problem, even when driving through a large city on the highway. Unlike the $15 Wal-Mart one I used previously.
 
2013-07-26 04:36:50 PM
www.minidisc.org
 
2013-07-26 04:41:08 PM

Trashy: [www.minidisc.org image 600x190]


Minidisc was an awesome idea that could have been huge in the US if Sony had opened up the standard and relaxed on licensing fees early on.  Re-recordable, no skipping, small well-protected discs, great audio quality, it had tons of advantages over CDs when it came out, and if they'd worked at it they had plenty of time to establish a solid market base before MP3 players became affordable and usable (remember those awful first generation Diamond Rios with 32mb of storage for $200?)
 
2013-07-26 04:43:06 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Trashy: [www.minidisc.org image 600x190]

Minidisc was an awesome idea that could have been huge in the US if Sony had opened up the standard and relaxed on licensing fees early on.  Re-recordable, no skipping, small well-protected discs, great audio quality, it had tons of advantages over CDs when it came out, and if they'd worked at it they had plenty of time to establish a solid market base before MP3 players became affordable and usable (remember those awful first generation Diamond Rios with 32mb of storage for $200?)


But... it was Sony, who apparently had not learned their lesson from Beta yet
 
2013-07-26 04:45:25 PM

Enemabag Jones: fatkidinabeenie,
This is How I ROLL!

I want to see that work on youtube!


If I could actually find that old 8 track adapter, and a working 8 Track player I'm sure I could get it to work.

I don't really roll like that anymore but at one time I did.
 
2013-07-26 04:46:53 PM
First off, I gotta say THIS:

ChipNASA: Buncha Babies.....


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No matter how much technology advances forward, Meatloaf's "Bat Out Hell" will never sound better than on an 8-track.  I'm not sure why. It just does.

===========================

Luckily, my '96 Camry was laughably easy to install a new radio in to replace the dead tape deck POS.  After trying out a few models here are some observations I've made as to why modern car radios suck:

1.  Playing your iPod library through the unit, either through bluetooth or an aux port is a VERY BAD idea-- it encourages you to be fooling around with your iPod instead of, ya know, DRIVING THE FARKING CAR.

2. 16 gig of storage in a USB thumb drive is AWESOME except for one thing: Music folder navigation in the radio models I've seen sucks big floppy donkey balls. You are left with either risking your life and that of others trying to get the farking unit to play the right music folder on your USB when you're driving, or dumping ten thousand songs or so in one big directory.

3. MP3 CD players rock, especially in combination with USB.  I have my USB loaded with my vast library of classic rock all dumped in the root directory and a sleeve of MP3 CDs to plug in when I'm in the mood for something else.

Once I got that all figured out, I was happy as a clam until the radio receiver quit working in my chap-ass "Dual" brand unit (though the CD and usb still work.) The unit was less than 3 months old!

Now I'm a liberal struggling to survive without my daily NPR fix until I can pony up for a new unit-- I guss I will be saving up to drop some more serious coin next time around to (I hope) get something more durable.
 
2013-07-26 04:59:11 PM

TuteTibiImperes: You could still buy a car with a factory cassette deck in 2011 - the Mercury Grand Marquis.


I don't know if anyone else has said this, but I had to search high and low for a tape player for my car - I have a wealth of tapes from my childhood that I otherwise wouldn't be able to listen to.  Finally found a store in NYC that had a floor model that was in storage.

I've since found an original tape deck, AM/FM that I have stored until I'm finished building the old Jeep (see profile pic).
 
2013-07-26 05:03:38 PM
Does the quality of the sound system really matter all that much with the sound of the wind and road noise to mask it?
 
2013-07-26 05:05:31 PM
What's a "CD Player"? Some kind of old fashioned music playing thing?
 
2013-07-26 05:08:16 PM
cdn.meme.li
 
2013-07-26 05:08:48 PM
i just listen to the voices in my head, telling me to do unspeakable things to the people swerving all over the road playing with their latest technology.
 
2013-07-26 05:10:29 PM

evaned: I have been in one situation where a GPS  might have been  extremely helpful. I was coming back from visiting my parents, there was a pileup on I-80, and the detour route was horrendously backed up. Probably would have taken at least 2 hours to go 10 miles around that segment of the interstate. There was no alternative route on my atlas's map, so I just sort of turned around and winged it, driving on random roads through farm country that seemed to go in the right direction. I think I might have hit gravel roads during that. I came out on the other side after like 20 minutes of driving, but it could just of easily have dead-ended. I have no idea if that route would have been found by GPSs*, but it would have been  really nice to know that it would actually work ahead of time. (* Actually now that I think about it, since no one else was taking it and this wasn't all that long ago, I doubt not.)


Two years ago my wife's GPS sent us on a route like that. After 15 minutes of the roads getting worse and worse I took over the navigating and threatened to throw the GPS out the window if she tried to turn it back on. It took about 5 minutes to get us to larger roads that got us to where we needed to be. It's just that the GPS didn't know about all the dirt roads, where I was able to see them right there in front of me. Other people seem to have different experiences, but as best I could tell, that's what it was. Also, it was in the middle of nowhere Wyoming, so that might have had something to do with it.

A few weeks ago we were on a trip (in my truck so we wouldn't have any trouble with bad roads) and I deliberately looked for terrible routes like that. It was great fun, even if it got a little hairy at a few times.
 
2013-07-26 05:11:28 PM
I'm not real sure how I feel about this.

The first car I can recall came with an AM radio in it. The car itself had power nothing, including no a/c. It had a massive engine that got about 8 mpg, was made of steel and had huge chrome bumpers that apparently had the hardness of tank armor. No disk or power assisted brakes. Tubes in the tires. No seat belts. Windows rolled down with cranks. It had bench seats. To start it, you set the choke -- a little knob on the dashboard -- turned the key, then stepped hard on a big knob on the floorboard covered in gnarled rubber. (The starter button.)

Once running, after it warmed up, you adjusted the choke, shifted it into gear (no automatic transmittion ) and drove off. Often it stalled out at first, usually before you got out of the driveway until you learned to what degree to adjust the choke.

The car I drive today you just get in and go. The radio is a self scanning AM/FM thing with glowing LCD numbers and a slot for a small cassette. There are no window cranks. It gets over 20 mpg, runs on tubeless tires that last three times as long as the old tube ones and has disk power brakes all the way around.

It's not a new car, but it's real close to a space ship in comparison to the first car I recall my family having as a kid.

I remember learning to drive and having to use two hands to wrench the steering wheel around when turning from a standing stop. No power steering. I also remember getting my fingers smacked painfully when my hands slipped and the wheel snapped back.

In my first car, I added a little box to the radio that changed it from strictly AM to AM/FM. I replaced the rigid radio antenna with one mounted on a chrome spring after snapping off two previous ones by brushing tree branches along roads.

Cars have come a real long way over the years.

I have mixed feelings on cellphones. I own one, but it's the cheapest one possible with no bells and whistles, no apps and it's 5 years old. I use it only as necessary, preferring my land line phone at home.

That has changed also over the years. From basic black with a rotary dial, it's a wireless electronic, with an answering machine built in at a fraction of the weight and size my parents phones used to be.

I own a PC and a laptop. I'm not all that sure about the new tablets. Especially with touch screens. I don't even know if they have a hard drive.

My two nieces just jump into all of this change without a thought.

So, I assume if they remove the car stereo/radio, they'll have a dock for a cellphone or tablet to be connected, which will then serve as your radio/stereo. Which means I'll have to buy and learn to work the more expensive versions of what I have.

I just got used to CD players in cars.

I recall the 8 track player with the bulky cassette, followed by the much smaller two track cassette. Then vinyl records turned into more expensive, small silver disks and you had to buy a whole new form of player for them.

I have a pile of vinyl records, singles and albums that I now have to dig up a turn table for, which now cost more than the original stereo system I used to play them on.

I think I understand how my parents felt -- when grandma's old crank powered record player was replaced by a bulky, tube filled one that ran on electricity, to be replaced later by small, portable one's that folded up and sounded so much better.

I also recall when the car radio went from one speaker above the thing in the dash to speakers spread out all over the inside of the car.

Since I was a kid, there's been so many changes that you wouldn't believe the list. In the 70's I took training to become a male nurse. In my books, there were instructions on how to sharpen hypodermic needles and how to test them to make sure they had no burrs. Yet, we trained with disposable plastic hypodermics with removable disposable needles that came in packs.

FYI: You check a hypodermic needle you sharpened on a whetstone by running it along a lady's nylon stocking. If it snagged, you had a bur you needed to remove.

I don't like the idea of everything starting to rely on cell phones, whose services are not cheap and which can have all sorts of not so cute little secrets built into them -- like the ability to remotely track or turn them on.

I liked, as a young man, working on the solid state radio in my 1967 Pontiac GTO, adding speakers, tape players, splitters and upgrades. I could change out the original radio for any of a dozen or more modern, better ones with about an hours effort.

There was something unique, soothing and special about the old radio in those old cars, with the glass horizontal tuning strip behind which moved a little red marking bar as you selected channels. At late nights, along dark and unfamiliar roads, with habitation long distances in-between, that little warm glow of an electric bulb was comforting as the radio station music waxed and waned depending on the distance from the radio tower somewhere lost in the night.

When parked, engine off, the warm glow gave a feeling of well-being, soft welcome light and seemed to make that distant sounding voice or music from the simple speaker more friendly.

It's not the same thing from the cold, electric glowing numbers of today, usually in ice blue.

I know I'm old, but I've gotten to see things I only used to read about in science-fiction books. I own things I never dreamed I'd own.

And I'm still not sure I want the CD player removed from cars.

BTW, the TV ad for that high priced SUV cracks me up with it's heated steering wheel. I snickered when they came up with heated seats, was impressed when they buried defrosting wires in the windshields, kind of stunned when they installed flat screen TV monitors and almost rolled on the floor laughing the first time I came across a guy who had to use his cell to call for a wrecker to change his flat tire, not knowing how to do it himself.

I'll close. This is getting too long for the limited attention span of most of you but these are my memories.
 
2013-07-26 05:14:23 PM
The new Mustangs have a "resonator" in the engine bay. It's sole purpose is to pipe engine "noise" into the passenger compartment. For some people, that's really all the "radio" they need. There's nothing that quite compares to that wonderful V8 burble. Especially when it's paired with a well-tuned exhaust system (thanks, Magnaflow!).
 
2013-07-26 05:16:21 PM
I used one of these things for a while on an old car with only AM/FM. Has USB and transmits on FM. With remote for about $10 on Amazon and sounds decent too.g-ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-07-26 05:18:30 PM

Rik01: BTW, the TV ad for that high priced SUV cracks me up with it'sheated steering wheel. I snickered when they came up with heated seats, was impressed when they buried defrosting wires in the windshields, kind of stunned when they installed flat screen TV monitors and almost rolled on the floor laughing the first time I came across a guy who had to use his cell to call for a wrecker tochange his flat tire, not knowing how to do it himself.


My vehicle has a heated steering wheel.  I've never used the heating function because I live in FL, but it just came as part of a package with things I did want (like chilled seats and HID headlamps).  I imagine for folks who live in cold climates it's nice in the winter as they won't have to wear gloves while they drive.  Remote start is also great for that, or as I use it, to let the car cool down before I get in on 95 degree days with 90% humidity.

I've also called roadside assistance to change a flat.  I mean, I know how to do it myself, but roadside assistance came with the car, so it was built into the price somehow, I might as well take advantage of it and not get my hands dirty.
 
2013-07-26 05:18:58 PM

Rik01: This is getting too long for the limited attention span of most of you but these are my memories.


All I got out of that was you've got a thing for needles and pantyhose.

Actually, it sounds like a 40 year newer version of my grandfather's rambling, and it's interesting to hear about the old stuff I'll never encounter.

Oh, and about the heated seats. The first time I encountered one, it was a really cold day so I was largely numb and I didn't know it was happening. I thought I'd peed myself.
 
2013-07-26 05:21:58 PM
Always preferred the full mobile orchestra

www.morethings.com
 
2013-07-26 05:22:38 PM

Riche


Now I'm a liberal struggling to survive without my daily NPR fix until I can pony up for a new unit


Can you get the NPR app for your phone and connect the headphone jack on the phone to the AUX on the deck? Start the app before you drive away and you won't have to fiddle with the phone while driving.

(Not sure if a USB connection would work but it might be worth a shot also.)
 
2013-07-26 05:24:44 PM

ladyfortuna: I plan to have my car for probably another 8-10 years ('07 Matrix), or at least another five. Since Toyota didn't feel it was necessary to put an auxiliary in jack in the otherwise pretty sweet six disc changer... nope, I still have a long time where I'll be making driving mixes and burning discs.

/shrug


If you are electronically inclined, you can buy a little adapter that you solder into the circuitboard of the CD Player, to make it capable of a 3.5 mm stereo input. The part costs about 8 bucks.

You just have to have a soldering iron, and know how to take out your cd player.
 
2013-07-26 05:28:05 PM

darth_badger: [cdn.gajitz.com image 468x391]


That's so crazy. A woman driving a car. LOL!
 
2013-07-26 05:34:07 PM
Also, I still use CD's. I think a lot of you must be deaf. How can you not notice the difference in audio quality from a CD vs 3.5 mm stereo cable connected to your phone? None of you hear the difference? Also, the cd player plays the music louder. Not sure if it's just me or something, but every damn MP3 player I've ever owned, and every phone I've ever heard played through a car's cd playey aux input...it couldn't come nearly as close to the volume, and it had less quality. Also, I'm not an audiophile, so please don't give me guff on that.
 
2013-07-26 05:44:43 PM

Langdon Alger: one thing that sucks about a touch screen is a lack of ergonomics. Actual buttons can  have shape and texture so that one can operate them without taking your eyes off the road. With a touch screen its one big flat surface. Try and operate that thing without actually looking at it and you find that you've turned it from AC to heat, and you're listening to gospel radio. Or take your eyes off the road to fiddle about with menus and what not and wind up tail grabbing the ass of the car in front of you.


That's why most of the basic controls are on the steering wheel.  I never look at my touch screen unless I am at a stoplight, or in park.  I control everything just with my thumbs.

Here's my view from my car.  Well, not exactly, but it's the same setup.  Now, I don't even have to look down to see what I am doing.

image.automobilemag.com
 
2013-07-26 05:52:18 PM
Really wouldn't miss it.  Currently I only use it for MP3 cds, and honestly most of my music is on SDHC cards.  Car has and SDHC slot and a huge hard drive, and I can carry enough for a cross country trip in a wallet sized case.
 
2013-07-26 05:52:31 PM
Cassette player here.

CD's didn't have a very long life. . .25 years.

But I guess cassettes, LPs, 8-tracks didn't really last long either.
 
2013-07-26 05:53:06 PM

rikkitikkitavi: LoR75: rikkitikkitavi: I have bluetooth, which is great for calls.  But why can't I stream music (pandora, MOG, etc.) via bluetooth to my car audio?  That shouldn't be too complicated, should it?  And yet, it doesn't work.

My ideal dash wouldn't merely be a video emulator of the smartphone navi and audio output/speakers to play whatever I dialed up on it.
Oh, and HUD for pertinent auto data.

What type of car is it?

With ours, I just have to turn on the car, turn on bluetooth on my iPhone, and then wait for it to sync. Once done, I have to press the media button over to bluetooth, and it works without issue.

The only hitch, you have to be in park to do all of that.  Can't do it while waiting at a stoplight or something.

I just had to sync my phone once and now it always recognizes it.  Although, you have to go into the settings of the car to turn on "stream audio through bluetooth" or something like that.

It's a 2006 BMW 550i.  I don't have the "stream audio through bluetooth" option.  Perhaps on new models. Has an AUX jack and bluetooth.  But no AUX via bluetooth.  Grrrrrr....


Ah that sucks.  Sweet car though.  I guess unless you install an adapter, then you are out of luck.
 
2013-07-26 05:57:43 PM

LoR75: The only hitch, you have to be in park to do all of that.  Can't do it while waiting at a stoplight or something.


Since you are posting here I assume you have access to Google....do some research, there are hacks/codes to disable this for many cars.
 
2013-07-26 05:58:48 PM

Enemabag Jones: I don't care if they are texting, or trying to find that 'mixtape' in a subdirectory, stop farking around with your personal electronic device of choice and drive.


It's not clear to me how physical CDs reduce the distraction. You still have to look at the media storage device, read the label, and then do something with your hands to make that media engage.

Don't get me wrong -- I think there's a lot of room for improvement in terms of haptic feedback from modern electronic devices -- I just don't understand how reading the label on a CD is better or worse than reading the label on a screen.
 
2013-07-26 06:02:30 PM
I just got a 2012 Nissan Maxima.  Not only does it have the 6-disc CD changer, but it has a hard drive so you can rip the CDs and never hat to carry the disc back to your car.  Holds about 500 albums.  It also has a USB slot that lets you plug in a flash drive and play MP3s.  I plugged in a 32GB drive into it, I'm ready for a road trip!  It also handles streaming from my phone.

It also has the navigation system, which I love, but it doesn't have traffic overlay like my phone does.

I'm surprised that the car companies haven't ditched all the crap in favor of a modular system.  Have the amp built into the car, but the dashboard has an area where you can just snap the smart phone or tablet and make that the screen.  You could even have different-shaped templates that snap in that would cost about $50 so it fits your hardware perfectly.
 
2013-07-26 06:03:26 PM
tetsoushima: www.nobodygoeshere.com
Are we finished here?

AUX?

Why the hell would anyone use stone age technology like that? My car and my phone should automatically connect via bluetooth and provide access to the music library either stored on the phone or a stream from the media source of my choice.
 
2013-07-26 06:04:57 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 850x267]

Bluetooth, AUX input, integrated Pandora controls, and a CD payer. Love it.

/And blue
//Can't stand red, yellow, green, etc car audio units


Holy fark I have the exact same deck in my old Focus after my factory unit died a welcome death.

Love that unit so very much, although I find I will occasionally hear a pop or a crackle on certain songs if playing through USB.  No issue with the same songs through Aux or Bluetooth though.  I've changed my USB cable but same thing.

I just now charge through USB and play through Aux or Bluetooth.
 
2013-07-26 06:06:53 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: I still stick with CDs in my car, since most of the music I listen to does not come over a terrestrial or satellite radio channel. (unless there's a radio station out there that has the tag line, "This is KBAT, we play all your favorite Goth hits from the 70s, 80s, 90s, and today!") No one plays this song anymore at a Goth club either Dead Can Dance - A Passage In Time cept for me at a one time opportunity in Newark, *sighs*. The only reason you want to keep your CD player will be to play the songs you know and enjoy, at your own time and pleasure.


Originally By Dead Can Dance

Severance
The birds of leaving call to us,
Yet here we stand
endowed with the fear of flight.
Overland
The winds of change consume the land,
While we remain
In the shadow of summers now past.
When all the leaves
Have fallen and turned to dust,
Will we remain
Entrenched within our ways.
Indifference,
The plague that moves throughout this land
Omen signs
In the shapes of things to come.

Tomorrow's child is the only child

http://youtu.be/6b-M5uVC7vA
 
2013-07-26 06:21:21 PM

Rik01: BTW, the TV ad for that high priced SUV cracks me up with it's heated steering wheel. I snickered when they came up with heated seats, was impressed when they buried defrosting wires in the windshields, kind of stunned when they installed flat screen TV monitors and almost rolled on the floor laughing the first time I came across a guy who had to use his cell to call for a wrecker to change his flat tire, not knowing how to do it himself.


I would love a heated steering wheel, just for the record. I live in Wisconsin, and during the winter I can get into a car with thick gloves, and my hands will be cold after a couple of minutes of driving because the wheel started out cold enough that it cooled down my gloves and hands before it got warm.

GoSurfing: How can you not notice the difference in audio quality from a CD vs 3.5 mm stereo cable connected to your phone?


I can notice the difference between a decent stereo and my phone, but that's the phone's fault not the MP3's. I probably  can't notice the difference through my car stereo when driving, however, simply because the car stereo not being very good plus being off center plus road noise plus not paying much attention.

Agreed about the volume thing. I fiddled around a bit with the settings and got it so it's fine if I turn the stereo volume up a bit, but I don't know why it has to be that way in the first place.
 
2013-07-26 06:24:21 PM
profplump
Enemabag Jones: I don't care if they are texting, or trying to find that 'mixtape' in a subdirectory, stop farking around with your personal electronic device of choice and drive.
It's not clear to me how physical CDs reduce the distraction. You still have to look at the media storage device, read the label, and then do something with your hands to make that media engage.
Don't get me wrong -- I think there's a lot of room for improvement in terms of haptic feedback from modern electronic devices -- I just don't understand how reading the label on a CD is better or worse than reading the label on a screen.


This could be debated, but here is my opinion.
Flipping through a book of cd's vs navigating a screen.

Neither is ideal when driving, but I think that flipping through a book, looking up, until you find what you want is far safer then having to navigate a screen full of directories, specifically if you have to look down on a radio control screen to make this happen. Messing with a touch screen even it if it is held within your normal driving field of vision per my experience is not fun. Note I have have a touch screen android device and the one time I tried to dial that thing when driving, it was just a biatch to do, unlike with a flip phone. Note I avoid doing this because it is dangerous.

If a stereo USB or SD based directory control could be put into a HUD display with steering wheel controls, then that changes things.

Besides, if I am tapping a android/iphone while driving, it may be called texting while driving.
 
2013-07-26 06:32:43 PM

BillArr: LoR75: The only hitch, you have to be in park to do all of that.  Can't do it while waiting at a stoplight or something.

Since you are posting here I assume you have access to Google....do some research, there are hacks/codes to disable this for many cars.


Really?  I had no idea.  Sometimes I forget to flip on my bluetooth on my phone, and usually have to stop somewhere to do it.

I'll have to dig around.  Thanks for the tip!
 
2013-07-26 06:34:28 PM

Enemabag Jones: Note I have have a touch screen android device and the one time I tried to dial that thing when driving, it was just a biatch to do, unlike with a flip phone. Note I avoid doing this because it is dangerous.


I agree it's harder than with physical buttons. But in both cases, at least the way I'd do it, it would alternate between fiddling with some stuff while looking at the road, glance down at the book or screen, and go back to fiddling. I do that with my phone (not proud of it, but I do it) when not in heavy traffic and there's good visibility, and I don't look away from the road more than 1/2 second at a time really.
 
2013-07-26 06:45:38 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: tetsoushima: [www.nobodygoeshere.com image 769x669]
Are we finished here?

AUX?

Why the hell would anyone use stone age technology like that? My car and my phone should automatically connect via bluetooth and provide access to the music library either stored on the phone or a stream from the media source of my choice.


30.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-26 07:11:39 PM

evaned: Fuggin Bizzy: ...and the outside temperature on the dash.

Not knocking your preference, but as someone who never understood the use of that.... why? :-) Is it so you have an approximation of how much you have to worry about snow/ice on the road or something like that?


Exactly the idea. I totaled my pickup last November rolling down the highway in a light rain wondering if it was starting to freeze and should I be in 4WD to help prevent me from spinning out...when I abruptly spun out. The pickup whipped around backwards in the other lane, hit the edge of the road and flipped over on its roof, gifting me with a concussion in the process. Other than that, my daughter and I were un-injured. Seat belts really, really work; but we're getting off track.

I had tried to put an aftermarket thermometer into the pickup for just that reason, but it really didn't work very well. My minivan already had the outside temp and once I had it I decided it was a sweet feature that future cars needed to have as well. If it's 32 degrees +/- 10 degrees, I assume the road deck is icy. (It can be icy at -20 too, but when it's that cold ice is really not very slippery.)
 
2013-07-26 07:32:48 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Eventually having a solution that would just mirror my phone screen on an in-dash screen through USB or a dock in the console wouldn't be bad though.


Ask and you shall receive:   http://www.chevrolet.com/culture/article/bringgo-app.html

I think GM is on to something huge here, as it would seriously reduce to cost of in-car navigation, and you aren't subjected to the whims of an auto manufacturer of when or how to update your systems.
 
2013-07-26 07:53:40 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: tetsoushima: [www.nobodygoeshere.com image 769x669]
Are we finished here?

AUX?

Why the hell would anyone use stone age technology like that? My car and my phone should automatically connect via bluetooth and provide access to the music library either stored on the phone or a stream from the media source of my choice.


Don't forget about Qi charging.
 
2013-07-26 07:57:53 PM

Mi-5: TuteTibiImperes: Eventually having a solution that would just mirror my phone screen on an in-dash screen through USB or a dock in the console wouldn't be bad though.

Ask and you shall receive:   http://www.chevrolet.com/culture/article/bringgo-app.html

I think GM is on to something huge here, as it would seriously reduce to cost of in-car navigation, and you aren't subjected to the whims of an auto manufacturer of when or how to update your systems.


That's an advanced idea of one along the lines as I posted above.  I guess I'm not needed...
 
2013-07-26 08:18:58 PM
Who needs a radio?

www.c-ford.net
 
2013-07-26 09:07:40 PM
Heated steering wheel commenters.

Sorry. I forgot. I live in Florida and it no longer gets cold enough down here to wear gloves.

I do recall when it used to get real cold and my folks had to start the car up about a half hour before my Dad left for work and let it run. That got the heater working. It also warmed the engine enough so it wouldn't stall too easily and the tranny fluid so it would smoothly shift -- not SLAM into gears for the first two or three miles. (That's when automatic transmissions were becoming common.)

Anyone recall ever having to put a 'suppressor' on the engine coil line to stop it from affecting the radio? Some cars would pick up a whine when accelerating from a standing stop or shifting gears, which would come through the radio. You bought this cheap little cylinder which snapped over the coil wire and stopped the interference.

In bad cases, you could hear the crackle when each cylinder fired while waiting at a stop light. The up side was that if it was nice and rhythmic, then you knew your engine was in tune.

You young whippersnappers missed out on all of the fun with earlier cars.
 
2013-07-26 09:34:59 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: evaned: Fuggin Bizzy: ...and the outside temperature on the dash.Not knocking your preference, but as someone who never understood the use of that.... why? :-) Is it so you have an approximation of how much you have to worry about snow/ice on the road or something like that?Exactly the idea. I totaled my pickup last November rolling down the highway in a light rain wondering if it was starting to freeze and should I be in 4WD to help prevent me from spinning out...when I abruptly spun out. The pickup whipped around backwards in the other lane, hit the edge of the road and flipped over on its roof, gifting me with a concussion in the process. Other than that, my daughter and I were un-injured. Seat belts really, really work; but we're getting off track.I had tried to put an aftermarket thermometer into the pickup for just that reason, but it really didn't work very well. My minivan already had the outside temp and once I had it I decided it was a sweet feature that future cars needed to have as well. If it's 32 degrees +/- 10 degrees, I assume the road deck is icy. (It can be icy at -20 too, but when it's that cold ice is really not very slippery.)

My wife's CR-V has AWD...and it's weird, but I *hate* it on the ice. It always feels like the front wheels are trying to get ahead of the front, worse than any rear-wheel drive I've ever had.My little Insight has front-wheel drive but has traction control and antilock brakes. It's nice to have those but sometimes it's hard to have a good feel of the road conditions.
 
2013-07-26 09:39:43 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: AUX?

Why the hell would anyone use stone age technology like that? My car and my phone should automatically connect via bluetooth and provide access to the music library either stored on the phone or a stream from the media source of my choice.


Your choices:

1.) Plug phone into AUX
2.) Play your tunes

or:

1.) Start the pairing process on your head unit
2.) Start the pairing process on your phone
3.) Enter PIN
4.) Listen to mediocre-quality music
5.) Plug phone into charger/USB port because Bluetooth is draining the battery...made even worse if you're dumb enough to use your data plan to listen to Pandora

If you're listening to Spotify, iTunes music, Pandora, etc. don't worry about the signal degradation from the cable, because lossy compression does more to the signal than a cable.  And it's not that hard to plug in, honest.
 
2013-07-26 09:43:29 PM
Vinyl is coming back.

Did someone post this?

Not worth wading through over 240 posts to find out.
 
2013-07-26 09:53:43 PM

GoSurfing: Also, I still use CD's. I think a lot of you must be deaf. How can you not notice the difference in audio quality from a CD vs 3.5 mm stereo cable connected to your phone? None of you hear the difference? Also, the cd player plays the music louder. Not sure if it's just me or something, but every damn MP3 player I've ever owned, and every phone I've ever heard played through a car's cd playey aux input...it couldn't come nearly as close to the volume, and it had less quality. Also, I'm not an audiophile, so please don't give me guff on that.


Depends on your hearing, the quality of the hardware on your phone, and the quality of the files you're listening to.  Oh, and it depends on the quality of the hardware on your CD player; some of them use that fiddly cheap one-bit DAC.  Now, if you're comparing an average CD player with an average DAC and 16-bit 44.1 kHz audio  to an iPhone 5 playing 256kbps AACs ripped straight from the masters, you'd probably have a lot of trouble telling.

And we're talking about listening to music in cars, one of the worst environments for listening to music.
 
2013-07-26 10:46:57 PM
caraudiococoa.com

I'll be keeping this, thanks.

SD slot: check.
SiriusXM: check
USB: check
3.5mm Aux: check
RCA A/V: check
Bluetooth: check
GPS: check
CD: motherfarkin' check
 
2013-07-26 11:55:25 PM

thornhill: Ant: I want something like this, but I want to be able to pop the tablet out so the crackheads don't break my windows to get it.
[jho-forums.s3.amazonaws.com image 800x532]
[jho-forums.s3.amazonaws.com image 800x600]

There are plenty of dash covers that allow you to pop the tablet out.


Oblig: http://www.geek.com/apple/ipad-velcro-awesome-1260220/
 
2013-07-27 05:18:58 AM
I have a factory CD and cassette and an auxiliary line-in for my iPod.  And, yes I still use all three.
 
2013-07-27 06:58:07 AM
Just swapped out the factory cassette in my '94 Gramparquis for a sweet Kenwood rig with HD, Bluetooth audio and phone support, support for IHeartRadio, Pandora, AHA, USB, Aux in, and of course CD.  Less than $200, and because I work in radio, I get it comped.  Gotta love it.

Kenwood KDC-BT755HD
 
2013-07-27 09:27:11 AM

MBP2112: Just swapped out the factory cassette in my '94 Gramparquis for a sweet Kenwood rig with HD, Bluetooth audio and phone support, support for IHeartRadio, Pandora, AHA, USB, Aux in, and of course CD.  Less than $200, and because I work in radio, I get it comped.  Gotta love it.

Kenwood KDC-BT755HD


This made me laugh.
 
2013-07-27 10:34:51 AM
"As far back as late 2011, market researcher NPD Group said..." Ah yes, the good old days.  Piss on all this nonsense.  As long as I can just burn music to a cd, I'll stick to what I have.
 
2013-07-27 12:49:25 PM
 
2013-07-27 12:51:18 PM
I have a cd player in both my cars and cant really imagine them going away.  I don't have any mp3 players, bluetooth or any of that crap.  While I have a smartphone that I think plays music I have never tried to hook it up to my car stereo. It just seems like too much hassle compared to popping in a cd.  Even if the CD goes away its not that big a deal to me.  I mostly listen to NPR on the way to work and probably only use the cd player 5% of the time.

What I am more concerned about is being able to find a new car with a manual transmission.  I won't buy an automatic.  At least not until I am 80 and my body is too decrepit to handle a shifter.  If that means I can only own old cars, so be it.  Every model should at least be offered with a manual as an option.  Right now the replacement for my aging corolla would be a fully loaded camry or perhaps a venza.  Alas Toyota does not current offer either with a manual, so I will probably either buy another corolla or a used 2009-2011 camry (on which the rare manual can be found).

A related annoyance: why do manufacturers generally only offer the manual on stripped down versions of a car?  I have also been looking at other manufacturers and models and it is clear that if you want all the bells and whistles you have to forgo the manual.  Why? They are not inherently incompatible.  If that is the choice then I will always take the budget car and they will lose out on some profit.
 
2013-07-27 02:17:19 PM

Ima4nic8or: I have a cd player in both my cars and cant really imagine them going away.  I don't have any mp3 players, bluetooth or any of that crap.  While I have a smartphone that I think plays music I have never tried to hook it up to my car stereo. It just seems like too much hassle compared to popping in a cd.  Even if the CD goes away its not that big a deal to me.  I mostly listen to NPR on the way to work and probably only use the cd player 5% of the time.

What I am more concerned about is being able to find a new car with a manual transmission.  I won't buy an automatic.  At least not until I am 80 and my body is too decrepit to handle a shifter.  If that means I can only own old cars, so be it.  Every model should at least be offered with a manual as an option.  Right now the replacement for my aging corolla would be a fully loaded camry or perhaps a venza.  Alas Toyota does not current offer either with a manual, so I will probably either buy another corolla or a used 2009-2011 camry (on which the rare manual can be found).

A related annoyance: why do manufacturers generally only offer the manual on stripped down versions of a car?  I have also been looking at other manufacturers and models and it is clear that if you want all the bells and whistles you have to forgo the manual.  Why? They are not inherently incompatible.  If that is the choice then I will always take the budget car and they will lose out on some profit.


You're usually better off going with the bare bones car.  Anything that isn't government regulated or deemed to be 'standard' usually isn't worth the headache of recalls or lugging around the extra weight.   Except the cool rims.  Gotta get the cool rims.
 
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