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2013-07-26 11:57:55 AM  
Does this mean the games will suck less or more?  It's hard to tell anymore.
 
2013-07-26 12:07:23 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Does this mean the games will suck less or more?  It's hard to tell anymore.


Considering Kotick is still at the helm, it'll remain the status quo (i.e. same shiat, different release date).
 
2013-07-26 12:11:46 PM  
This is just Vivendi offloading a company that it feels is going in the wrong direction.
 
2013-07-26 01:16:03 PM  
I actually assume, from Vivendi's side, this is just them continuing to get out of US media (they sold off NBC Universal a couple years ago, and I believe have mostly been re-focusing on French media/telecom).

If anything I assume this is just going to make it worse for Blizzard, since the reason they maintained any kind of creative control was due to Vivendi.  Once Activision is calling all the shots, they can pretty much just run over the old Blizzard staff whenever they like.  Yes, that likely means big names leaving Blizzard, but Kotick has never been one for caring about the creative success of titles or the minds behind them.
 
2013-07-26 01:25:05 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Does this mean the games will suck less or more?  It's hard to tell anymore.


Good for Activision, bad for Blizzard.
 
2013-07-26 01:25:42 PM  
Still run by a bunch of suits, nothing will change.
 
2013-07-26 01:37:51 PM  
Vivendi? The French sewage conglomerate?
 
2013-07-26 01:39:25 PM  
Vivendi should not exist; in it present form all it does is destroy shareholder value. The stock is about dead-even with where it was 10 years ago.

when Vivendi announced the sale of telecom assets in North Africa yesterday, it was because the firm wants to focus on media. then it turns around and gets rid of a media division responsible for half of Vivendi's cash flow, which essentially means that it is doubling down in the music business (trying to buy EMI right now).

oh dear.
 
2013-07-26 01:44:19 PM  
Starcraft 2 subby?  You could at least pick a GOOD game.
 
2013-07-26 01:50:05 PM  

netweavr: RedPhoenix122: Does this mean the games will suck less or more?  It's hard to tell anymore.

Good for Activision, bad for Blizzard.


The news that wow is down to 7.7M doesn't help
 
2013-07-26 02:03:10 PM  
I'd say goodbye to blizzard, but they basically left the building as of Diablo III

/not buying blizzard anymore
//I has a sad
///and slashies
 
2013-07-26 02:14:59 PM  

Dinobot: The news that wow is down to 7.7M doesn't help


I think at this point everybody is aware that WoW is done growing and is on the downslope. It's still raking in money hand over fist though, so it's really a matter of how long they can ride out the gravy train at this point.

What will be interesting is to see if they have anything worthwhile up their sleeves to replace it. WoW was designed by competent people who were good at their jobs. It was a hit because it was fun and polished and it attracted people with a new take on the MMO genre which to that point had been pretty unapproachable unless you were a "hardcore" player.

There has been little evidence that Blizzard still has anything like that magic since the Activision merger in 2007. Cataclysm was the first pack that was probably developed entirely under the new company and it definitely represented a step backwards. Then there's the mess that was Starcraft 2 and Diablo III on top of it.

On the other hand, despite the considerable scorn both games received, they made Blizzard a mint, so maybe their inability to produce quality games doesn't matter and their fanboys will just stick it out with them no matter what they do.
 
2013-07-26 02:46:08 PM  

skozlaw: Dinobot: The news that wow is down to 7.7M doesn't help

I think at this point everybody is aware that WoW is done growing and is on the downslope. It's still raking in money hand over fist though, so it's really a matter of how long they can ride out the gravy train at this point.

What will be interesting is to see if they have anything worthwhile up their sleeves to replace it. WoW was designed by competent people who were good at their jobs. It was a hit because it was fun and polished and it attracted people with a new take on the MMO genre which to that point had been pretty unapproachable unless you were a "hardcore" player.

There has been little evidence that Blizzard still has anything like that magic since the Activision merger in 2007. Cataclysm was the first pack that was probably developed entirely under the new company and it definitely represented a step backwards. Then there's the mess that was Starcraft 2 and Diablo III on top of it.

On the other hand, despite the considerable scorn both games received, they made Blizzard a mint, so maybe their inability to produce quality games doesn't matter and their fanboys will just stick it out with them no matter what they do.


Haven't played WoW in about 6-7 years now, but man, that was some really good fun back in the day. Vanilla w/ Rag kills we're epic. Lost interest just before WOTLK since it was rinse-repeat on pretty much everything. BUt yeah I have to agree Blizzard back in the day knew how to make a game (WC3 and WC3 FT are still in my top 5 of best gameplay/story of all time) and I think we can all agree they know how to make a cinematic (Probably half my top 10 all time are from those two games).
 
2013-07-26 02:48:21 PM  
Activision will finish picking the corpse that is WoW.

But who knows... maybe we'll get a new Lost Vikings game.
 
2013-07-26 02:54:57 PM  
I don't remember the last good game that came out of Activision.  The only way I can see them continuing on is if they come out with WoW2 and it's actually somehow, magically, not bad.  Though with the current state of affairs I wouldn't be surprised if it was freemium with microtransactions.
 
2013-07-26 03:10:04 PM  

Frankentots: Though with the current state of affairs I wouldn't be surprised if it was freemium with microtransactions.


I hate to break it to you, but that's the way pretty much every MMO is going anymore. Guild Wars 2 would be an awesome MMO without that farking gem store, but since they won't just charge a sub the only "content updates" they ever do anymore are geared toward getting you to buy whatever the new, event-specific Bag o' Crap is for a shot at a rare weapon skin. They won't even fix major bugs in the core gameplay in a reasonable amount of time because they're too busy trying to figure out ways to get people to buy pointless shiat for their characters.

Guild Wars 2 was the game that initially renewed my interest in MMOs then almost immediately turned around and stomped it completely dead.
 
2013-07-26 03:45:59 PM  

skozlaw: Frankentots: Though with the current state of affairs I wouldn't be surprised if it was freemium with microtransactions.

I hate to break it to you, but that's the way pretty much every MMO is going anymore. Guild Wars 2 would be an awesome MMO without that farking gem store, but since they won't just charge a sub the only "content updates" they ever do anymore are geared toward getting you to buy whatever the new, event-specific Bag o' Crap is for a shot at a rare weapon skin. They won't even fix major bugs in the core gameplay in a reasonable amount of time because they're too busy trying to figure out ways to get people to buy pointless shiat for their characters.

Guild Wars 2 was the game that initially renewed my interest in MMOs then almost immediately turned around and stomped it completely dead.


I don't mind having a gem store, as long as it doesn't lead to P2W. The new MMO that I've got my eye on is Wildstar, no payment methods have been mentioned. I'd be fine with the GW2 method, or even Rift's new way of having Subs for those that want it, and get extra xp/money drops and stuff to use in the store, or f2p and real cash is you want ex bonus' and what not
 
2013-07-26 04:23:22 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: skozlaw: Frankentots: Though with the current state of affairs I wouldn't be surprised if it was freemium with microtransactions.

I hate to break it to you, but that's the way pretty much every MMO is going anymore. Guild Wars 2 would be an awesome MMO without that farking gem store, but since they won't just charge a sub the only "content updates" they ever do anymore are geared toward getting you to buy whatever the new, event-specific Bag o' Crap is for a shot at a rare weapon skin. They won't even fix major bugs in the core gameplay in a reasonable amount of time because they're too busy trying to figure out ways to get people to buy pointless shiat for their characters.

Guild Wars 2 was the game that initially renewed my interest in MMOs then almost immediately turned around and stomped it completely dead.

I don't mind having a gem store, as long as it doesn't lead to P2W. The new MMO that I've got my eye on is Wildstar, no payment methods have been mentioned. I'd be fine with the GW2 method, or even Rift's new way of having Subs for those that want it, and get extra xp/money drops and stuff to use in the store, or f2p and real cash is you want ex bonus' and what not


Rift's is good.  You can play the core game and the expansion content.  You don't have access to the new class paths unless you buy them, but they are not required to raid.  None of the cash store stuff is required, but makes life easier.

Plus, you can get the credits without cash, it just takes you a while, as you need to spend at least $5 to access the AH.  The logic is the AH is a bonus, and not necessary to play the game because you can sell your stuff in the Trade Channel.

I got $10 worth of credits as compensation for missing items and account issues, so I'm a happy customer right now with AH access.
 
2013-07-26 04:26:10 PM  

skozlaw: Frankentots: Though with the current state of affairs I wouldn't be surprised if it was freemium with microtransactions.

I hate to break it to you, but that's the way pretty much every MMO is going anymore. Guild Wars 2 would be an awesome MMO without that farking gem store, but since they won't just charge a sub the only "content updates" they ever do anymore are geared toward getting you to buy whatever the new, event-specific Bag o' Crap is for a shot at a rare weapon skin. They won't even fix major bugs in the core gameplay in a reasonable amount of time because they're too busy trying to figure out ways to get people to buy pointless shiat for their characters.

Guild Wars 2 was the game that initially renewed my interest in MMOs then almost immediately turned around and stomped it completely dead.


At no point have I ever felt that anything in the Gem Store was vital to my playing Guild Wars 2. Also, Super Adventure Box was an amazing update, which basically used the GW2 engine to make an action platform game. If all Transaction-based MMOs handled things as well as GW2, it'd be a much better world.
 
2013-07-26 05:16:03 PM  

mutterfark: Vivendi? The French sewage conglomerate?


They apparently spun off the poop-and-trash-handling part of the business, which is now known as Veolia.
 
2013-07-26 05:53:02 PM  
Blizz' people once said they could be profitable with less than a half million monthly subscribers. The current NA base is several times that, and they have all of Asia, Europe, South America and Oceania.

They'll be fine. Mists was a heck of alot better than Cata, with some lessons learned on ramp-up and getting alts in faster. Mists' raiding has been the best whole experience ever - even better than TBC IMHO. The story has been tight and entertaining. The Legendary questline have been amazing and fun.

To me, as a long-time player, we're getting rid of a lot of chaff. That said, it's a 9 year old game, you just can't wring it forever. However,  Blizz isn't losing money and I can't imagine they'll cut any cash source short.

The only thing that'll kill WoW is something Blizz makes to replace it. It won't be Titan, it will be a direct WoW successor (and it won't be a "Warcraft 4" RTS, it will be a bottom-up WoW 2.).
 
2013-07-26 06:31:29 PM  
www.washingtonian.com
APOCALYPSE MEOW?
 
2013-07-27 02:50:20 AM  

netweavr: Good for Activision, bad for Blizzard.


i'd refine that to "Activision Stockholders". It's still gonna suck just as much for their employees.
 
2013-07-27 10:26:36 AM  

skozlaw: I think at this point everybody is aware that WoWBlizzard is done growing and is on the downslope. It's still raking in money hand over fist though, so it's really a matter of how long they can ride out the gravy train at this point.


FTFY
 
2013-07-27 12:03:21 PM  
atariage.com
 
2013-07-27 07:29:07 PM  
That Captain Hammer's become a crusader.  He's really cleaning up the streets?

/DNFTFA
 
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