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(The Atlantic Wire)   HBO's "Game of Thrones" is running out of George R.R. Martin material to adapt, so network sends him message: Keep writing, otherwise we'll have to produce some gratuitous sex and violence episodes   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 36
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2013-07-26 02:14:55 PM
5 votes:
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Three years. For three years I warned you this day was coming, but you would not listen. Don't worry, you said, he'll finish. And now Martin has run out of released material. Showtime has 'Homeland', 'Mad Men' is wrapping up, even Fx has 'American Horror Story' and 'The Americans'. The pride was yours, the presumption was yours. For a thousand years, we have been awaiting the conclusion of the book series. And when it doesn't happens, you scorn it, you reject it because you you think you can wrap it up in a collosal clusterfark like 'True Blood'. "You know nothing, Jon Snow. The North remembers." You go to Comic Con and plaster the words, but your intent is empty, your ears closed except to churn out sex and violence. You stand for nothing but your own petty interests. "Meh, we'll just get another hot fantasy series." I do not blame you for standing silent in your shame. You, who knew what was coming, but refused to take up the burden of this war. If the executives will not wrap up the series, then the rest of us will. HBO has lost it's way. If it will not lead, if you have abandoned our commitment to excellence to Television, then we're cancelling our service, as we should have after you cancelled 'Deadwood'. We must stand with the others now before it's too late. Between the internet and Netflix, there is enough streaming media to entertain us. To you, I say, listen to the voice of your conscience. Wrap up the series and come with me. The time for meandering is over. We move now, together or not at all.
2013-07-26 12:00:45 PM
5 votes:
FTFA: The problem has always been that Martin hasn't yet written the final two books in the seven-book series the show is based on. And he's not terribly fast at writing them: the five books so far in the series have been published over 15 years; the television show has covered three of those books in three years.

*adjusts nerd glasses*

Uh, technically, they have finished 2 1/2 books in 3 years. The fourth season will cover the second half of the third book.

Now, if you will excuse me ... I have to organize my pocket protectors.
2013-07-26 01:51:48 PM
3 votes:

ltdanman44: When the queen proclaims one king and the hand proclaims another, who do the gold cloaks follow?

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The man who pays them.

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/sorry
//my favorite charactor
///no spoilers, please!


John Snow dies at the end of book 5. If you crybabies don't want spoilers don't look up the series online.

Sincerely, people who know how to read.
2013-07-26 04:12:38 PM
2 votes:

ScaryBottles: Freudian_slipknot: Carth: There is no evidence he is actually dead and a lot of evidence that he'll be back in winds of winter.

ScaryBottles: Really? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories

I can read.  Can you?

Or did you forget mid-stream what you were asking for?

/not the one conflating evidence and proof.

Sure you a point have unless I explicitly and intentionally used the word proof.

eally? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories. Just the books period. I'll wait and I have all five within reach literally. (my apartment is a shoebox)So yeah proof or quit your cryin'


I think you might be confused between the definitions of evidence and proof.

Evidence is facts that can support an assertion. Proof is definitive evidence that an assertion is true. There is plenty of evidence pointing to Jon snow being alive all supported by the text. What you are looking for is proof that he is alive. That we won't have until Martin flat out says one way or another.

I think the evidence pointing to him being alive outweighs the evidence that he is dead. You seem to disagree.

Either way your a jerk for trying to spoil the show for people who haven't read the books.
2013-07-26 02:44:40 PM
2 votes:

ScaryBottles: I said no theories or fan speculation, take that away from your arguments and basically you have nothing


You did ask for evidence. You got a crap ton of evidence.

If you wanted solid proof, you should have asked for it.

/words are wind
2013-07-26 01:56:09 PM
2 votes:

ScaryBottles: ltdanman44: When the queen proclaims one king and the hand proclaims another, who do the gold cloaks follow?

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The man who pays them.

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/sorry
//my favorite charactor
///no spoilers, please!

John Snow dies at the end of book 5. If you crybabies don't want spoilers don't look up the series online.

Sincerely, people who know how to read.


You might want to work on your reading comprehension. There is no evidence he is actually dead and a lot of evidence that he'll be back in winds of winter.
2013-07-26 01:51:38 PM
2 votes:
They should just do a flashback season with the overthrow of the mad king.

Bring back some of the actors who are gone now and explain all that backstory that gets eluded to constantly. It would add an extra dimension to characters we already know and knew.
2013-07-26 12:29:27 PM
2 votes:
If you want George to write faster, then stop paying him any attention until he's done writing.

With this guy's schedule, who has time to write stuff?
2013-07-26 12:13:21 PM
2 votes:

gilgigamesh: scottydoesntknow: Are they required to go by his source material? Why not do what Dexter did and go in a different direction?

Granted the source material for Dexter got weird and sucky after the first one, but I wouldn't think they have to wait for Martin to write more.

To a certain extent they have to. By the time you get to book four -- which is pretty big -- he pauses the story lines for a lot of the major characters and starts up new ones.

It wouldn't translate well to TV. Imagine a whole season that leaves a bunch of important story lines hanging in order to move on to new ones. A whole season with no Tyrion. You can get away with that in books, but the show would go over a cliff.


They'll just mash 4 and 5 together - they happen mostly simultaneously anyhow, so there's no real impact except for people who are trying to read the books and aren't caught up .
2013-07-26 06:36:31 PM
1 votes:

shortymac: What show is that image and quote from?


Babylon 5 . Thats DeLenn addressing the Gray Council   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22aMIOa35ko">http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=22aMIOa35ko
2013-07-26 06:04:36 PM
1 votes:

ScaryBottles: Even if Snow lives there is no way he's AAR/TPTWP


"He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire"

Jon is the son of Rhaegar (fire) and Lyanna (ice)

Good lord, there is literally no way this could be more telegraphed.

I get the feeling that you were caught off guard by the twist in "The Sixth Sense" the second time you saw it.
2013-07-26 05:40:38 PM
1 votes:
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2013-07-26 04:59:29 PM
1 votes:

ScaryBottles: Really? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories. Just the books period. I'll wait and I have all five within reach literally. (my apartment is a shoebox) So yeah proof or quit your cryin'



The following is in invisible text, to keep the pure at heart from seeing spoilers. Drag your mouse over it to read it.

Jon fell to his knees. He found the dagger's hilt and wrenched it free. In the cold night air the wound was smoking. "Ghost" he whispered. Pain washed over him. Stick him with the pointy end. When the third dagger took him between the shoulder blades, he gave a grunt and fell face-first into the snow. He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold ...
A dance with Dragons, hard cover edition. page 913.


How is Jon any deader than Arya?


[...]And Arya ran. Not for her brother now, not even for her mother, but for herself. She ran faster than she had ever run before, her head down and her feet churning up the river, she ran from him as Mycah must have run.
His axe took her in the back of the head.
A Storm of Swords, soft cover edition. page 710.



There is no more proof that Jon is dead than there is proof he is alive.  In fact, barring his corpse floating down the Milkwater with Ghost's head sewn on it, I would personally put him as "status: Unknown."
2013-07-26 04:41:26 PM
1 votes:

ScaryBottles: ltdanman44: When the queen proclaims one king and the hand proclaims another, who do the gold cloaks follow?

[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x306]

The man who pays them.

[img.pandawhale.com image 850x477]

/sorry
//my favorite charactor
///no spoilers, please!

John Snow dies at the end of book 5. If you crybabies don't want spoilers don't look up the series online.

Sincerely, people who know how to read.


You are a self-important prick.

Sincerely, just about everybody else on the planet.
2013-07-26 04:24:31 PM
1 votes:

Carth: Either way your a jerk for trying to spoil the show for people who haven't read the books.


to be fair to him, this is clearly a book thread from the title. When its discussing filming/casting/etc then no spoilers is fair. when talking about martin needing to hurry up and write, book spoilers and speculation is fair game to my thinking
2013-07-26 04:17:46 PM
1 votes:

give me doughnuts: tallguywithglasseson: Killing off Snow would be fine.. helps move the plot along, helps get the Others getting past the Wall, to their ultimate battle with Westeros, after the Targaryans and their Dragons have won it back with the help of Varys.

Snow may well die. I just doubt he's dead... yet.

John Snow will live. The sword Light Bringer will be remade, and Snow will quench the newly-reforged blade by running it through Dany's chest.


"Lightbringer" could just as easily refer to Dany's dragons who I might add she sacrificed Drogo to hatch kinda like when AA tempered his sword in his own wife's body.
2013-07-26 04:04:58 PM
1 votes:
Okay I wasn't going to bite with the ASOIF discussion but now I can't stop yelling at my screen:

From the books to suggest Jon Snow's story isn't over (note I didn't say he wasn't dead)

1. Read the prologue about Varamyr Sixskins from A Dance With Dragons.  It's all about wargs and what happens when they die.

2. Melisandre's chapter in ADWD when she is praying to the flames (around page 400 something):  The flames crackled softly, and in their crackling she heard the whispered name Jon Snow. His long face floated before her, limned in tongues of red and orange, appearing and disappearing again.  Now he was a man, now a wolf, and a man again.  But the skulls were there as well, the skulls were all around him.

3. Another from Melisandre:  I pray for a glimpse of Azor Ahai, and R'hllor only shows me Snow.

4. Martin has said in interviews that readers will find out who Jon Snow's parents are by the end of the series.  I sat in on a talk the showrunners of Game of Thrones did last April in Los Angeles.  From the horses' mouthes, they know who his parents are (and they said parents, not mom).  They HEAVILLY implied they are Rhaygar and Leanna.  Sorry I don't have a link or anything, my source is I heard them say it.  Point being that this is still a big mystery.  If we were done with Jon Snow why would this information still be so important?  Who would benefit from this information?  Martin doesn't seem like the type of writer to just throw it in there in book 7 with the characters being like "GEE too bad Snow is dead!  He would have liked to know that!"

Finally, an excerpt from an interview Martin JUST gave on io9:

"Some major characters - yes, I always had plans, what Tyrion's arc was gonna be through this, what Arya's arc was gonna be through this, what Jon Snow's arc is gonna be. I knew what the principal deaths were gonna be, and when they were coming. That would be the closest thing. "

The fact that he says "is" implies there is more to his story arc.  If he were dead like Ned/Robb Stark-dead, it's difficult for that to happen.  I think he's "dead" but dead like Lady Stoneheart is dead.  Him turning into a wolf in Melisandre's vision ties well with the prologue's explanation of wargs going into an animal when they die.  I'm guessing he wargs into Ghost.  However, the fact that he turns BACK into a man in the vision implies something else.  I'm guessing it all ties in with him actually being Azor Ahai reborn which Martin is strongly suggesting as per #3 in my list.

As an aside I would recommend reading the whole interview io9 put up.  It's a good read.
2013-07-26 03:45:31 PM
1 votes:

ScaryBottles: Freudian_slipknot: ScaryBottles: Sure you a point have unless I explicitly and intentionally used the word proof.

eally? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories. Just the books period. I'll wait and I have all five within reach literally. (my apartment is a shoebox)So yeah proof or quit your cryin'

Yes.  It is definitely my fault that you don't know what words mean and demanded what was never offered.

I can see why you have so much trouble with even the most obvious foreshadowing.

Whatever just ignore the bolded passages


I read them.  I also read the words around them, which apparently you've repeatedly skipped.  Again, this failure to comprehend context really explains the difficulty you're having with GoT.
2013-07-26 03:34:58 PM
1 votes:

Clash City Farker: Dany, Jon Snow and Tyrion's mother all died in child birth.


Death by childbirth is pretty common when modern Western medical help isn't available. It sucks to be a woman in a 3rd world country and/or before the 20th century.
2013-07-26 03:02:14 PM
1 votes:

KellyX: her brother too, but he will be killed at beginning of Book 6.


Nah, he's not actually Aegon, but rather a Blackfyre bastard being passed off and trained up to be king.  It's probably what's actually best for the realm, but he's definitely a fake.  Being a Blackfyre would also explain why the Golden Company would break a contract for the first time in history to take up his cause.

/Some contracts are writ in ink, and some in blood. I say no more
2013-07-26 02:56:34 PM
1 votes:

Carth: There is no evidence he is actually dead and a lot of evidence that he'll be back in winds of winter.


ScaryBottles: Really? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories


I can read.  Can you?

Or did you forget mid-stream what you were asking for?

/not the one conflating evidence and proof.
2013-07-26 02:52:11 PM
1 votes:
Well, this thread degenerated.

"George R.R. Martin has had characters appear to be dead/actually die (Beric Dondarrion, Ser Davos, Catelyn Stark, Bran and Rickon Stark, Aegon Targaryen, Jon Connington, Gregor Clegane) repeatedly. He's written characters that are capable of warging into other creatures and maintaining their consciousness after death (Orell). Also, there's these R'hllor guys who are capable of bringing people back from the dead. One of whom happens to be at the Wall. HOW DARE YOU THINK JON SNOW IS ANYTHING BUT PERMANENTLY DEAD FOREVER AND ALWAYS."
2013-07-26 02:40:31 PM
1 votes:

JolobinSmokin: So, John Snow is really, Rheager and lyssa's kid and was never Ned's bastard?


I think you mean Lyanna. It's a compelling theory, and it does explain why Ned waffled on telling Robert who the mother was.
2013-07-26 02:36:04 PM
1 votes:

Carth: Also worth noting that even GRRM won't say Snow is actually dead.

An interview with EW:

EW: So why did you kill Jon Snow?
GEORGE R.R. MARTIN: Oh, you think he's dead, do you?


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Herrings are coming.
2013-07-26 02:31:56 PM
1 votes:

tlchwi02: seems likely that they are setting her up to be in the north for her eventual stannis run in and doing it this way because they are combining euron and victarion into a single character. the entire iron born political thriller (while i liked it) does nothing to forward the plot. old man greyjoy dies, his one crazy traveling brother shows up, rallys the iron born with promises of dragons and such, and heads off to find dany on the other side of the world.


R.R. Martin finally found the one thing he desperately needed, someone with a black sharpie. Whoever he is working with over at HBO has been making some smart cuts. Hopefully we can get to the end without ever seeing her other brother and never ever seeing Dome.
2013-07-26 02:29:12 PM
1 votes:
I think that we should have an "In Memorium" segment for Ros' boobs.
2013-07-26 02:13:44 PM
1 votes:
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All in the Game of Thrones, yo. All in the Game of Thrones.
2013-07-26 02:03:11 PM
1 votes:

Carth: Not to mention Robb's wife being at the Red Wedding.


That's not that big of a deal. In the book she just goes off and you never hear from her again. same same.


Unless Grayjoy gets a move on she isn't going to be back in time to fight for her father's throne.


Psycoholic_Slag: Although I like GOT, the only reason I click on these threads is to see this sweetheart
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She is hotter as a brunette, it is known
2013-07-26 01:49:21 PM
1 votes:

JolobinSmokin: gilgigamesh: SecretAgentWoman: I'm going to call it: The Iron Throne is just a red herring.

It's all about White Walkers/Others verses Dragons

Well, sorta. The grand arc here is the uniting all the banners of Westeros under one authority, maybe into a new nation, in time to take on the existential threat to all of them posed by the white walkers.

Then again, knowing Martin it may well be that the arc will be deepening civil war blinding everyone to the real threat until its too late, with the white walkers taking advantage of the chaos to wipe them all out.

The last half of the final book will just be 900 pages of white walkers shambling around the broken remains of civilization.

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I've seen that movie


I though that movie would be terrible but Romeo and Juliet actually works as a Zombie love story.
2013-07-26 01:34:34 PM
1 votes:
Just ask some Otaku on how best to handle this.
2013-07-26 01:01:18 PM
1 votes:

JerseyTim: They should just take it where it ought to be taken even if George R. R. Martin doesn't get there first: With Hot Pie on the Iron Throne.


I liked the TWoP recapper's idea of having the long-forgotten Rickon emerge after everyone else is dead, "I'm king of the north, farkers!"

Anyway, I certainly hope they'll edit down books 4 and 5 to more rigorous plot lines.
2013-07-26 12:54:44 PM
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: SecretAgentWoman: I'm going to call it: The Iron Throne is just a red herring.

It's all about White Walkers/Others verses Dragons

I don't think he knows where to go, next. Or how to end it.


I disagree.. I think he knows exactly how it ends...unfinished when he keels over due to a heart-attack
2013-07-26 12:53:35 PM
1 votes:
Am I the only one who has trouble picturing Peter Dinklage jousting atop a pig?
2013-07-26 12:53:04 PM
1 votes:
The problem I have with all shows really is that they can't let them die. So instead of letting them die or end they turn into crap like that stupid island TV show.. can't remember the name. Very interesting first season then downhill from there. I wish someone would do a 1 or 2 season show and END IT. Maybe have an overall theme for the world in which it's created and then maybe have an entirely new single season or dual season and END IT.

Anyways.. this is why I don't watch TV. I can't watch Game of Thrones even though George RR Martin is a good friend of my moms and I used to chill with him at Sci Fi conventions when I was a kid.. I can't because I know the show will eventually turn into a spiraling whirlpool of toilet juice.
2013-07-26 12:24:42 PM
1 votes:

SecretAgentWoman: I'm going to call it: The Iron Throne is just a red herring.

It's all about White Walkers/Others verses Dragons


I don't think he knows where to go, next. Or how to end it.
2013-07-26 12:11:26 PM
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Are they required to go by his source material? Why not do what Dexter did and go in a different direction?

Granted the source material for Dexter got weird and sucky after the first one, but I wouldn't think they have to wait for Martin to write more.


To a certain extent they have to. By the time you get to book four -- which is pretty big -- he pauses the story lines for a lot of the major characters and starts up new ones.

It wouldn't translate well to TV. Imagine a whole season that leaves a bunch of important story lines hanging in order to move on to new ones. A whole season with no Tyrion. You can get away with that in books, but the show would go over a cliff.
 
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