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2013-07-26 05:24:46 PM

tlchwi02: ScaryBottles: It could be GRRM knocking Brienne off her high horse. Showing her the world isn't black and white as much as she would like it to be. Essentially she is caught between two equally noble vows that are at complete odds with each other either way she suffers dishonor due to circumstances she had nothing to do with. This is Brienne's grow the fark up moment.

that would imply however that she is about to kill jaime. not that she couldn't just go ahead and lop of his head as soon as they are out of sight of the camp, but it just seems to so unlikely... on the other hand, just when you start to like someone is usually when they get stabbed right in the eye, so it would be in keeping with him


My point exactly the normal rules don't really apply here, I mean everyone assumes Dany will make it because of her dragons but even that is no guarantee as all thats really necessary to bond with them is Targ blood and a strong will. Quenton was fine until he lost focus and he didn't even have any Targ blood so that might not even be necessary. Someone has to ride the dragons probably of Targ blood but it seems like new Targs are popping up everywhere and nowhere does the prophesy say it has to be the one who hatched them to ride them. Thats what I love about this series you never know where he is gonna take it and as stingy as GRRM is with information about future releases we will probably never see it coming.
 
2013-07-26 05:25:12 PM
This. I'm waiting for Littlefinger to drop a line from ASoS that puts every character into a neat, binary context that makes too much sense.

/I hope you know the one.
 
2013-07-26 05:25:53 PM

give me doughnuts: Here's another reason to hurry up with the writing and the filming of the series:

Maisie Williams season 1 premier:
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Maisie Williams at the season 3 premier:
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And Isaac Hempstead Wright, the kid that plays Bran Stark, is now 5' 8" tall. Luckily, the guy playing Hodor is 6' 10' and makes everyone look like a little kid. But still, the younger cast members are rapidly outgrowing their characters.


She cleans up quite nicely.
 
2013-07-26 05:27:10 PM

Flab: ScaryBottles: but it is telling that you rushed to illustrate he might be alive rather than saying I don't know and neither do you.

Huh?  I'm actually saying I don't know.  I thought the "status: unknown" and "there is no more evidence he's dead than he's alive" would make that clear enough.  What makes you think I think he's alive?


Then why did you elaborate on the evidence of his survival? Instead like I said saying shut up bro you don't know squat which would have been a valid response in my opinion.
 
2013-07-26 05:30:06 PM

SecretAgentWoman: I'm going to call it: The Iron Throne is just a red herring.

It's all about White Walkers/Others verses Dragons


Couldn't agree more...I came to the conclusion reading the 2nd book the Daenerys is the REAL protagonist in the story...
 
2013-07-26 05:31:30 PM

ScaryBottles: My point exactly the normal rules don't really apply here, I mean everyone assumes Dany will make it because of her dragons but even that is no guarantee as all thats really necessary to bond with them is Targ blood and a strong will. Quenton was fine until he lost focus and he didn't even have any Targ blood so that might not even be necessary. Someone has to ride the dragons probably of Targ blood but it seems like new Targs are popping up everywhere and nowhere does the prophesy say it has to be the one who hatched them to ride them. Thats what I love about this series you never know where he is gonna take it and as stingy as GRRM is with information about future releases we will probably never see it coming.


true, and martin can (and does) kill anyone he feels like. That said, i think brienne turning traitor with no warning would be very much out of character and i would be a little dissapointed in her as a character if the outcome was as blunt as her just stabbing jamie in the back
 
2013-07-26 05:34:00 PM

tlchwi02: ScaryBottles: My point exactly the normal rules don't really apply here, I mean everyone assumes Dany will make it because of her dragons but even that is no guarantee as all thats really necessary to bond with them is Targ blood and a strong will. Quenton was fine until he lost focus and he didn't even have any Targ blood so that might not even be necessary. Someone has to ride the dragons probably of Targ blood but it seems like new Targs are popping up everywhere and nowhere does the prophesy say it has to be the one who hatched them to ride them. Thats what I love about this series you never know where he is gonna take it and as stingy as GRRM is with information about future releases we will probably never see it coming.

true, and martin can (and does) kill anyone he feels like. That said, i think brienne turning traitor with no warning would be very much out of character and i would be a little dissapointed in her as a character if the outcome was as blunt as her just stabbing jamie in the back


Well since no one asked I'll tell you. I think Brienne plans to turn him over LS so she won't have to do the deed herself but won't go through with it in the end.
 
2013-07-26 05:34:44 PM

OtherLittleGuy: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 574x382]
Three years. For three years I warned you this day was coming, but you would not listen. Don't worry, you said, he'll finish. And now Martin has run out of released material. Showtime has 'Homeland', 'Mad Men' is wrapping up, even Fx has 'American Horror Story' and 'The Americans'. The pride was yours, the presumption was yours. For a thousand years, we have been awaiting the conclusion of the book series. And when it doesn't happens, you scorn it, you reject it because you you think you can wrap it up in a collosal clusterfark like 'True Blood'. "You know nothing, Jon Snow. The North remembers." You go to Comic Con and plaster the words, but your intent is empty, your ears closed except to churn out sex and violence. You stand for nothing but your own petty interests. "Meh, we'll just get another hot fantasy series." I do not blame you for standing silent in your shame. You, who knew what was coming, but refused to take up the burden of this war. If the executives will not wrap up the series, then the rest of us will. HBO has lost it's way. If it will not lead, if you have abandoned our commitment to excellence to Television, then we're cancelling our service, as we should have after you cancelled 'Deadwood'. We must stand with the others now before it's too late. Between the internet and Netflix, there is enough streaming media to entertain us. To you, I say, listen to the voice of your conscience. Wrap up the series and come with me. The time for meandering is over. We move now, together or not at all.


Gold Clap/Slow Clap.
 
2013-07-26 05:35:35 PM

tlchwi02: ScaryBottles: My point exactly the normal rules don't really apply here, I mean everyone assumes Dany will make it because of her dragons but even that is no guarantee as all thats really necessary to bond with them is Targ blood and a strong will. Quenton was fine until he lost focus and he didn't even have any Targ blood so that might not even be necessary. Someone has to ride the dragons probably of Targ blood but it seems like new Targs are popping up everywhere and nowhere does the prophesy say it has to be the one who hatched them to ride them. Thats what I love about this series you never know where he is gonna take it and as stingy as GRRM is with information about future releases we will probably never see it coming.

true, and martin can (and does) kill anyone he feels like. That said, i think brienne turning traitor with no warning would be very much out of character and i would be a little dissapointed in her as a character if the outcome was as blunt as her just stabbing jamie in the back


Otherwise like you said why not knife him as soon as they are out of sight of KL and lug the corpse to LS.
 
2013-07-26 05:36:52 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: imontheinternet: I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  The show and the books will have two different endings.  GRRM is going to kill someone off that HBO won't go along with, like Tyrion or Dany, and the two stories will diverge.

The stories have already begun to diverge. I only read it once but I think I would have remembered Sister Greyjoy going after her brother.


Probably because no one gives a fark about the kingsmoot.
 
2013-07-26 05:40:38 PM
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2013-07-26 05:45:15 PM

give me doughnuts: tallguywithglasseson: Killing off Snow would be fine.. helps move the plot along, helps get the Others getting past the Wall, to their ultimate battle with Westeros, after the Targaryans and their Dragons have won it back with the help of Varys.

Snow may well die. I just doubt he's dead... yet.

John Snow will live. The sword Light Bringer will be remade, and Snow will quench the newly-reforged blade by running it through Dany's chest.


Interesting...I think more likely Mellisandre...
 
2013-07-26 05:49:47 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: The Stealth Hippopotamus: imontheinternet: I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  The show and the books will have two different endings.  GRRM is going to kill someone off that HBO won't go along with, like Tyrion or Dany, and the two stories will diverge.

The stories have already begun to diverge. I only read it once but I think I would have remembered Sister Greyjoy going after her brother.

Probably because no one gives a fark about the kingsmoot.


Disagree, the Kingsmoot is where Crow's Eye gains control of the Ironborn and executes his plan to woo Dany with the promise of ships and support. This is what kickstarts Victarion's storyline and the iron fleet's trip to Essos. It would make very little narrative sense to have a guy with hundreds of ships sailing to another person who needs hundreds of ships and not have them meet up. So when it comes down to it Victarion and Crow's Eye are more valuable than all other the peripheral characters of her story arc, of course with the exception of Illyro, Viserys and Drogo as without them she wouldn't have her dragons. The only reason Victarion and Crow's Eye matter is because one of them will be crowned king at the Kingsmoot and gain control of the Iron fleet which will bring Dany across the narrow sea. So yeah who would give a fark about the Kingsmoot.
 
2013-07-26 05:51:43 PM

Walt_Jizzney: give me doughnuts: tallguywithglasseson: Killing off Snow would be fine.. helps move the plot along, helps get the Others getting past the Wall, to their ultimate battle with Westeros, after the Targaryans and their Dragons have won it back with the help of Varys.

Snow may well die. I just doubt he's dead... yet.

John Snow will live. The sword Light Bringer will be remade, and Snow will quench the newly-reforged blade by running it through Dany's chest.

Interesting...I think more likely Mellisandre...


Or as I said you already have a prophetic savior that sacrificed someone she loved to gain the ultimate weapon. Even if Snow lives there is no way he's AAR/TPTWP
 
2013-07-26 05:58:52 PM

ScaryBottles: So yeah who would give a fark about the Kingsmoot.


Not me. She can get the ships anywhere, they don't need to be manned by the Iron born.
 
2013-07-26 06:03:10 PM

ScaryBottles: Flab: ScaryBottles: but it is telling that you rushed to illustrate he might be alive rather than saying I don't know and neither do you.

Huh?  I'm actually saying I don't know.  I thought the "status: unknown" and "there is no more evidence he's dead than he's alive" would make that clear enough.  What makes you think I think he's alive?

Then why did you elaborate on the evidence of his survival? Instead like I said saying shut up bro you don't know squat which would have been a valid response in my opinion.


I'm elaborating on evidence of his status being UNCERTAIN. That is all.

Please pick a fight with those who actually have said he's not dead.
 
2013-07-26 06:03:49 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: ScaryBottles: So yeah who would give a fark about the Kingsmoot.

Not me. She can get the ships anywhere, they don't need to be manned by the Iron born.


Actually the thing is she can't get ships anywhere according to the books thats half the reason she is still in Mereen.
 
2013-07-26 06:04:36 PM

ScaryBottles: Even if Snow lives there is no way he's AAR/TPTWP


"He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire"

Jon is the son of Rhaegar (fire) and Lyanna (ice)

Good lord, there is literally no way this could be more telegraphed.

I get the feeling that you were caught off guard by the twist in "The Sixth Sense" the second time you saw it.
 
2013-07-26 06:08:50 PM
Jon Snow is AA.

Aegon is TPTWP, his is the song of ice and fire"
 
2013-07-26 06:10:31 PM

ScaryBottles: Actually the thing is she can't get ships anywhere according to the books thats half the reason she is still in Mereen.


I thought she stayed there because she saw what happened last time she left a power vacuum. Also she is getting some Queening practice in before she takes the Iron Throne.
 
2013-07-26 06:14:05 PM
Arya the assassin will be fun,.
 
2013-07-26 06:17:34 PM
Other things I want to see happen we haven't. I want someone to warg into a dragon in the next book.
 
2013-07-26 06:17:43 PM
kbronsito
My two Hodor theories:
1. Hodor is somewhat related to the Targaryens. When everyone is dead, he will get the iron throne.


I think it would be funny if Sansa Stark ends up to be the ruler of Westeros more or less by accident in a similar "the only winning move is not to play" way.
Basically everybody in the Game of Thrones has been exploiting her naivety and has pushed her passive ass around as a playball without actually thinking about her - merely thinking about how they could profit from her but never considering her herself, completely ignoring the possibility of her picking up a trick or two along the way and growing up to become a player, especially now that she's haning out with Littlefinger.

* With everybody assuming her brothers are dead, she's already heir to the North and possibly Riverrun.

* As Tyiron's wife she should have a good claim to the throne of the Lannisters, what with Jamie being out of the running as a Kingsguard.
(I really like the idea of her forced, laughed-at marriage to Tyrion accidentally coming back to bite the schemers' into their backsides)

* Littlefinger was working hard to control the Vale and with Littlefinger teaching her and trying to get into her pant(ie)s, I could see

a) etiher her simply ending up with her auntie's Vale due to scheming and with Littlefinger's Herrenhal fortress because someone offs Littlefinger and he has prveiously [married her as a presumed widow | made her his heiress in a will | put everything into her name for tax reasons | whatever ] or
b) given that Littlefinger has taken her under his wings and she has already started losing her naivety a bit, I could see some Sith-like Master/Apprentice thing with her realizing the power she has over him thanks to his lust for her as her mom's replacement; being used to being abused, she lies back and thinks of Engl..Westeros and plays along until the time is right to (maybe literally) backstab the bastard and ending up with all his stuff

That's quite a nice chunk of Westeros already.
 
2013-07-26 06:31:50 PM

Freudian_slipknot: ScaryBottles: Even if Snow lives there is no way he's AAR/TPTWP

"He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire"

Jon is the son of Rhaegar (fire) and Lyanna (ice)

Good lord, there is literally no way this could be more telegraphed.

I get the feeling that you were caught off guard by the twist in "The Sixth Sense" the second time you saw it.


See though there are these prophesies you know and to make them fit Jon takes more than a little embellishment as opposed to Dany who fits them all with no need for alteration. But thats too simple for you isn't it? There has to be some huge twist that GRRM wanted to keep hidden but you figured it out! Just because you think you're smarter than someone else doesn't mean you are. I love that you used the Sixth Sense as an example though as its this same type of asshatery that has flushed Shaymalan's career down the toilet, bet you never saw that coming stupid moviegoers! I'm the smartest guy ever!
 
2013-07-26 06:32:58 PM

OtherLittleGuy: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 574x382]
Three years. For three years I warned you this day was coming, but you would not listen. Don't worry, you said, he'll finish. And now Martin has run out of released material. Showtime has 'Homeland', 'Mad Men' is wrapping up, even Fx has 'American Horror Story' and 'The Americans'. The pride was yours, the presumption was yours. For a thousand years, we have been awaiting the conclusion of the book series. And when it doesn't happens, you scorn it, you reject it because you you think you can wrap it up in a collosal clusterfark like 'True Blood'. "You know nothing, Jon Snow. The North remembers." You go to Comic Con and plaster the words, but your intent is empty, your ears closed except to churn out sex and violence. You stand for nothing but your own petty interests. "Meh, we'll just get another hot fantasy series." I do not blame you for standing silent in your shame. You, who knew what was coming, but refused to take up the burden of this war. If the executives will not wrap up the series, then the rest of us will. HBO has lost it's way. If it will not lead, if you have abandoned our commitment to excellence to Television, then we're cancelling our service, as we should have after you cancelled 'Deadwood'. We must stand with the others now before it's too late. Between the internet and Netflix, there is enough streaming media to entertain us. To you, I say, listen to the voice of your conscience. Wrap up the series and come with me. The time for meandering is over. We move now, together or not at all.


What show is that image and quote from?
 
2013-07-26 06:34:00 PM

Freudian_slipknot: ScaryBottles: Even if Snow lives there is no way he's AAR/TPTWP

"He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire"

Jon is the son of Rhaegar (fire) and Lyanna (ice)

Good lord, there is literally no way this could be more telegraphed.

I get the feeling that you were caught off guard by the twist in "The Sixth Sense" the second time you saw it.


Plus Targaryians (sp) historically inbred. Jon will eventually marry Danny. It's a simple matter of who the 3rd dragon rider will be. They'll ride into kings landing and destroy the place (like Danny was shown in the house of whatever its called, while looking for the dragons). From there, they'll have to fight some mystical being and the white walkers. Bran will play a savior in that somehow. Aria will be the one to kill Cersi. Sansa will whine and biatch and moan.
 
2013-07-26 06:35:20 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: ScaryBottles: Actually the thing is she can't get ships anywhere according to the books thats half the reason she is still in Mereen.

I thought she stayed there because she saw what happened last time she left a power vacuum. Also she is getting some Queening practice in before she takes the Iron Throne.


She is but if she had ships it would be a lot easier to walk away now wouldn't it. Not to mention the fact that she considers Xaro's offer before declining  declines because the 15 he offered was nowhere near enough to carry her army across the narrow sea so I don't think an offer for enough ships would be turned down.
 
2013-07-26 06:36:31 PM

shortymac: What show is that image and quote from?


Babylon 5 . Thats DeLenn addressing the Gray Council   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22aMIOa35ko">http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=22aMIOa35ko
 
2013-07-26 07:06:46 PM
i1125.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-26 07:10:52 PM
The Wild Cards books are right there. Just sayin'.
 
2013-07-26 07:40:32 PM

The Voice of Doom: kbronsito
My two Hodor theories:
1. Hodor is somewhat related to the Targaryens. When everyone is dead, he will get the iron throne.

I think it would be funny if Sansa Stark ends up to be the ruler of Westeros more or less by accident in a similar "the only winning move is not to play" way.
Basically everybody in the Game of Thrones has been exploiting her naivety and has pushed her passive ass around as a playball without actually thinking about her - merely thinking about how they could profit from her but never considering her herself, completely ignoring the possibility of her picking up a trick or two along the way and growing up to become a player, especially now that she's haning out with Littlefinger.

* With everybody assuming her brothers are dead, she's already heir to the North and possibly Riverrun.

* As Tyiron's wife she should have a good claim to the throne of the Lannisters, what with Jamie being out of the running as a Kingsguard.
(I really like the idea of her forced, laughed-at marriage to Tyrion accidentally coming back to bite the schemers' into their backsides)

* Littlefinger was working hard to control the Vale and with Littlefinger teaching her and trying to get into her pant(ie)s, I could see

a) etiher her simply ending up with her auntie's Vale due to scheming and with Littlefinger's Herrenhal fortress because someone offs Littlefinger and he has prveiously [married her as a presumed widow | made her his heiress in a will | put everything into her name for tax reasons | whatever ] or
b) given that Littlefinger has taken her under his wings and she has already started losing her naivety a bit, I could see some Sith-like Master/Apprentice thing with her realizing the power she has over him thanks to his lust for her as her mom's replacement; being used to being abused, she lies back and thinks of Engl..Westeros and plays along until the time is right to (maybe literally) backstab the bastard and ending up with all his stuff

That's quite a nice chunk of Westeros already.


Agreed. She will definitely play a bigger part later on.

So far, the only person who hasn't had his plans blow up in his face is Littlefinger. He's bound to have his comeuppance sooner of later. And when he does, Sansa will be standing there holding the titles to all of Westeror except Dorne and Highgarden.
 
2013-07-26 07:56:11 PM

tlchwi02: ctrlshiftspace: "sword" was the word I believe. If I remember correctly, SH insisted she kill Jaime, Brienne refused. Then SH told her she could choose between the sword (to kill Jaime) and the noose. Brienne refused to choose, and the noose was applied. She then said one word, and as we know from ADwD, was released. It stands to reason that the word was "sword" I think.

that just doesn't seem consistent with the brienne who up to this point has been pretty fearless/honorable. it seems odd she would suddenly wimp out and turn on jamie (or conversely swear she would kill jamie and then just say to heck with it as soon as she was out of sight and let her companions hang)


Because it wasn't just her life that was in trouble, it was her other companions' lives as well. SH gave her a no-win option morally.
 
2013-07-26 09:04:12 PM

Hilarity_N_Sues: The Wild Cards books are right there. Just sayin'.


I like how you think, BUT, SyFy bought the rights to Wild Cards a while back. Given that they've just ditched Alphas, it seems highly unlikely that SyFy will be doing anything with Wild Cards in the near future.

/Maybe HBO will make SyFy an offer.
//Not holding my breath though.
///No, it doesn't make me happy to rain on your parade.
 
2013-07-26 09:18:04 PM
If we assume two seasons for Book 3, then they're only halfway through that. If we then assume that this is the rate they'll be going at thereafter, that's another four seasons for the 4-5 mishmash. That's plenty of time to get Book 6 out at the absolute least, and that's not even counting the two more seasons it'll take to televise that. HBO is not "running out" of anything, so you entitled little fanboys can sit back and learn some patience.
 
2013-07-26 09:20:50 PM
I doubt they will outpace him.  Part of the delay was, in his own words, about letting the series build to the point there was significant interest in a series and then actually developing the series with HBO.
Even if they somehow catch up in five seasons (if it is still on) you could get another five seasons just by interspersing relevant flashbacks.  Another three if you recycle his Beauty and the Beast scripts and toss in some Dunk.
 
2013-07-26 10:13:13 PM

tlchwi02: ctrlshiftspace: "sword" was the word I believe. If I remember correctly, SH insisted she kill Jaime, Brienne refused. Then SH told her she could choose between the sword (to kill Jaime) and the noose. Brienne refused to choose, and the noose was applied. She then said one word, and as we know from ADwD, was released. It stands to reason that the word was "sword" I think.

that just doesn't seem consistent with the brienne who up to this point has been pretty fearless/honorable. it seems odd she would suddenly wimp out and turn on jamie (or conversely swear she would kill jamie and then just say to heck with it as soon as she was out of sight and let her companions hang)


"Arya" who just just found out has been recently seen very much alive. It would be much more likely to get Mother Merciless' attention than "sword."
 
2013-07-26 10:53:33 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: bulok: Not like it was ever done before on television, right?

Glad someone mentioned this. An entire show that was basically a giant middle finger to the audience and yet they tuned in every week and kept eating that shiat up.


You say middle finger like its a bad thing.
 
2013-07-26 10:57:44 PM

Old Man Winter: Even if they somehow catch up in five seasons (if it is still on) you could get another five seasons just by interspersing relevant flashbacks. Another three if you recycle his Beauty and the Beast scripts and toss in some Dunk.


You can't reuse Beauty and the Beast for something like this. It's way too depressing, with everyone dying and all... oh, wait...
 
2013-07-26 11:41:40 PM
Re Hodor: I think there are allusions to him being the love child of Ser Duncan the Tall (dunk and egg novellas) and Nan. Does anyone else recall this or did I dream it?
 
2013-07-27 12:13:16 AM

SecretAgentWoman: I'm going to call it: The Iron Throne is just a red herring.

It's all about White Walkers/Others verses Dragons


This is blatantly obvious when the name of the book series is 'A Song of Ice and Fire'. shiat should hopefully start going down in book 6 with winter having arrived.


ScaryBottles: Freudian_slipknot: ScaryBottles: Even if Snow lives there is no way he's AAR/TPTWP

"He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire"

Jon is the son of Rhaegar (fire) and Lyanna (ice)

Good lord, there is literally no way this could be more telegraphed.

I get the feeling that you were caught off guard by the twist in "The Sixth Sense" the second time you saw it.

See though there are these prophesies you know and to make them fit Jon takes more than a little embellishment as opposed to Dany who fits them all with no need for alteration. But thats too simple for you isn't it? There has to be some huge twist that GRRM wanted to keep hidden but you figured it out! Just because you think you're smarter than someone else doesn't mean you are. I love that you used the Sixth Sense as an example though as its this same type of asshatery that has flushed Shaymalan's career down the toilet, bet you never saw that coming stupid moviegoers! I'm the smartest guy ever!


If that isn't Jon Snow's part to play, GRRM sure is throwing a lot of red herrings out there. He could have chosen any way to describe the scenes at the end of Dance, but we get a bleeding star(the guy being torn apart by the giant had a star as his sigil), 'smoking' wounds, and tears for salt. That and Melisandre seeing nothing but Jon in her fires while seeking AA.

Also there's nothing saying 'the prince who was promised' and AA are the same person, the two prophecies seem to be separate.
 
2013-07-27 12:33:59 AM

ScaryBottles: WhippingBoy: What the hell happened here???

Someone got on my nerves so I decided to ruin the thread.


Have you no honor, Threadslayer?
 
2013-07-27 12:35:43 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: bulok: Not like it was ever done before on television, right?

Glad someone mentioned this. An entire show that was basically a giant middle finger to the audience and yet they tuned in every week and kept eating that shiat up.


LOST?
 
2013-07-27 12:58:38 AM

ScaryBottles: tlchwi02: ScaryBottles: It could be GRRM knocking Brienne off her high horse. Showing her the world isn't black and white as much as she would like it to be. Essentially she is caught between two equally noble vows that are at complete odds with each other either way she suffers dishonor due to circumstances she had nothing to do with. This is Brienne's grow the fark up moment.

that would imply however that she is about to kill jaime. not that she couldn't just go ahead and lop of his head as soon as they are out of sight of the camp, but it just seems to so unlikely... on the other hand, just when you start to like someone is usually when they get stabbed right in the eye, so it would be in keeping with him

My point exactly the normal rules don't really apply here, I mean everyone assumes Dany will make it because of her dragons but even that is no guarantee as all thats really necessary to bond with them is Targ blood and a strong will. Quenton was fine until he lost focus and he didn't even have any Targ blood so that might not even be necessary. Someone has to ride the dragons probably of Targ blood but it seems like new Targs are popping up everywhere and nowhere does the prophesy say it has to be the one who hatched them to ride them. Thats what I love about this series you never know where he is gonna take it and as stingy as GRRM is with information about future releases we will probably never see it coming.


If you take everything from the visions of Quaithe Dany was getting at face value(they name the boat Tyrion was on, as well as the sigils of everyone who was at that point headed her direction) it's heavily implied that 'young griff' is an imposter. And I don't think Quentyn was at any point in control of the situation in the dragon pit.
 
2013-07-27 01:41:31 AM

The Voice of Doom: kbronsito
My two Hodor theories:
1. Hodor is somewhat related to the Targaryens. When everyone is dead, he will get the iron throne.

I think it would be funny if Sansa Stark ends up to be the ruler of Westeros more or less by accident in a similar "the only winning move is not to play" way.
Basically everybody in the Game of Thrones has been exploiting her naivety and has pushed her passive ass around as a playball without actually thinking about her - merely thinking about how they could profit from her but never considering her herself, completely ignoring the possibility of her picking up a trick or two along the way and growing up to become a player, especially now that she's haning out with Littlefinger.

* With everybody assuming her brothers are dead, she's already heir to the North and possibly Riverrun.

* As Tyiron's wife she should have a good claim to the throne of the Lannisters, what with Jamie being out of the running as a Kingsguard.
(I really like the idea of her forced, laughed-at marriage to Tyrion accidentally coming back to bite the schemers' into their backsides)

* Littlefinger was working hard to control the Vale and with Littlefinger teaching her and trying to get into her pant(ie)s, I could see

a) etiher her simply ending up with her auntie's Vale due to scheming and with Littlefinger's Herrenhal fortress because someone offs Littlefinger and he has prveiously [married her as a presumed widow | made her his heiress in a will | put everything into her name for tax reasons | whatever ] or
b) given that Littlefinger has taken her under his wings and she has already started losing her naivety a bit, I could see some Sith-like Master/Apprentice thing with her realizing the power she has over him thanks to his lust for her as her mom's replacement; being used to being abused, she lies back and thinks of Engl..Westeros and plays along until the time is right to (maybe literally) backstab the bastard and ending up with all his stuff

That's qu ...


She'd be heir to the North, but there are several people in line for Riverrun before her, even if you remove Bran/Rickon from the equation. Edmure, Edmure's child, and Brynden Tully all come before her, but that's even assuming that any of those three are able/willing to regain Riverrun AND the Tully's are restored to the Lord Paramounts of the Trident (something Baelish is apt to want to keep). You might also have to consider the Frey's claim to Riverrun since we're entertaining the possibility of a matrilineal inheritance.

Either way she's betrothed to the heir of the Vale, the North would rise to her cause since almost everyone hates the Boltons and/or the Boltons might be dead shortly, and the Riverlands would likely prefer to have the Tullys back over Baelish or the Freys. She is going to be sitting pretty but I'm pretty sure if it happens Baelish is either going to be king or dead.
 
kab
2013-07-27 01:50:42 AM
Anyone familiar with this series prior to HBO's involvement knew this would be a problem.    Tool writes faster, for chrissakes.    I'll honestly be amazed if he lives long enough to actually finish it. (oh hai, Robert farking Jordan)

Also, this thread is devoid of Natalie Dormer pics, and for that, I am disappoint.
 
2013-07-27 01:56:18 AM

kab: Anyone familiar with this series prior to HBO's involvement knew this would be a problem.    Tool writes faster, for chrissakes.    I'll honestly be amazed if he lives long enough to actually finish it. (oh hai, Robert farking Jordan)

Also, this thread is devoid of Natalie Dormer pics, and for that, I am disappoint.


The queen doesn't have time to pose for you. She's trying out her new crossbow.
 
2013-07-27 04:47:54 AM
The series will end by god. Unfinished. Grrm will pass away due to a massive heart attack incurred while he is making brutal violent love to a honey glazed roasted ham.

But really -- they will drag books 4 and 5 into THREE seasons. Easily. People should have seen this coming. Lord knows the roasted ham should see it coming -- the way grrm looks at it with crazed angry lust in his eyes. He WISHES he could finish the next book by 2015 -- he will finish book 6 by 2017 and it will suck even worse than DwD -- I said it once and i will say it again -- abandon hope. Loving this series is like pining for a girl you had a crush on in high school and watching her rebuke your affections as she slowly devolves into a crack hooker. Ahead is only sadness and heartbreak. And not because of anything that happens in the story. More because grrm will die pounding his dick into a chunk of over processed luncheon meat.

\Anyone else has suspicion grrm is watching us? Tossing shiat into the fan? Leaving tiny spoilers? I know i has suspicions. Get back to writing george -- dont you have a ham to bang?
 
2013-07-27 05:50:37 AM

redmid17: She'd be heir to the North, but there are several people in line for Riverrun before her, even if you remove Bran/Rickon from the equation. Edmure, Edmure's child, and Brynden Tully all come before her, but that's even assuming that any of those three are able/willing to regain Riverrun AND the Tully's are restored to the Lord Paramounts of the Trident (something Baelish is apt to want to keep). You might also have to consider the Frey's claim to Riverrun since we're entertaining the possibility of a matrilineal inheritance.

Either way she's betrothed to the heir of the Vale, the North would rise to her cause since almost everyone hates the Boltons and/or the Boltons might be dead shortly, and the Riverlands would likely prefer to have the Tullys back over Baelish or the Freys. She is going to be sitting pretty but I'm pretty sure if it happens Baelish is either going to be king or dead.


My guess is she's going to find out all the things he did that lent a hand in her family's demise. Then, when his great plan comes to fruition and he stands there, world at his feet, she'll slit his throat. He'll die just like Lyssa Arryn - in complete shock, without so much as a whimper.
 
2013-07-27 06:39:23 AM
In the end, my ass will win the Iron Throne.

BOOM.

Nailed it.

/Drops mic.
 
2013-07-27 08:05:53 AM
Count me as a vote for the showrunners taking over this thing and giving us a better story and flow.
 
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