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(The Atlantic Wire)   HBO's "Game of Thrones" is running out of George R.R. Martin material to adapt, so network sends him message: Keep writing, otherwise we'll have to produce some gratuitous sex and violence episodes   (theatlanticwire.com ) divider line
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2013-07-26 04:03:21 PM  

Clash City Farker: ScaryBottles: Clash City Farker: ScaryBottles: Clash City Farker: Egalitarian: Clash City Farker: Dany, Jon Snow and Tyrion's mother all died in child birth.

Death by childbirth is pretty common when modern Western medical help isn't available. It sucks to be a woman in a 3rd world country and/or before the 20th century.

Thats denial. What does fat boy have to do spell it out for you?

Uhm your argument is the weakest I've heard in associated with the three heads of the dragon honestly, not saying you are wrong but yeah your argument is lacking.

Thats because I'm not arguing.

Wow seriously implying someone is so dumb that they have to have something spelled out to them isn't argumentative. Is that what you're saying?

So you think its a coincidence that the three most important characters in the story just happened to have mothers who all died in childbirth?


Maybe it is maybe it isn't my point is if thats all you got look harder there is better evidence to support your theory.
 
2013-07-26 04:04:58 PM  
Okay I wasn't going to bite with the ASOIF discussion but now I can't stop yelling at my screen:

From the books to suggest Jon Snow's story isn't over (note I didn't say he wasn't dead)

1. Read the prologue about Varamyr Sixskins from A Dance With Dragons.  It's all about wargs and what happens when they die.

2. Melisandre's chapter in ADWD when she is praying to the flames (around page 400 something):  The flames crackled softly, and in their crackling she heard the whispered name Jon Snow. His long face floated before her, limned in tongues of red and orange, appearing and disappearing again.  Now he was a man, now a wolf, and a man again.  But the skulls were there as well, the skulls were all around him.

3. Another from Melisandre:  I pray for a glimpse of Azor Ahai, and R'hllor only shows me Snow.

4. Martin has said in interviews that readers will find out who Jon Snow's parents are by the end of the series.  I sat in on a talk the showrunners of Game of Thrones did last April in Los Angeles.  From the horses' mouthes, they know who his parents are (and they said parents, not mom).  They HEAVILLY implied they are Rhaygar and Leanna.  Sorry I don't have a link or anything, my source is I heard them say it.  Point being that this is still a big mystery.  If we were done with Jon Snow why would this information still be so important?  Who would benefit from this information?  Martin doesn't seem like the type of writer to just throw it in there in book 7 with the characters being like "GEE too bad Snow is dead!  He would have liked to know that!"

Finally, an excerpt from an interview Martin JUST gave on io9:

"Some major characters - yes, I always had plans, what Tyrion's arc was gonna be through this, what Arya's arc was gonna be through this, what Jon Snow's arc is gonna be. I knew what the principal deaths were gonna be, and when they were coming. That would be the closest thing. "

The fact that he says "is" implies there is more to his story arc.  If he were dead like Ned/Robb Stark-dead, it's difficult for that to happen.  I think he's "dead" but dead like Lady Stoneheart is dead.  Him turning into a wolf in Melisandre's vision ties well with the prologue's explanation of wargs going into an animal when they die.  I'm guessing he wargs into Ghost.  However, the fact that he turns BACK into a man in the vision implies something else.  I'm guessing it all ties in with him actually being Azor Ahai reborn which Martin is strongly suggesting as per #3 in my list.

As an aside I would recommend reading the whole interview io9 put up.  It's a good read.
 
2013-07-26 04:07:54 PM  

LisaSimpson: Martin doesn't seem like the type of writer to just throw it in there in book 7 with the characters being like "GEE too bad Snow is dead! He would have liked to know that!"


although to be fair, that would be *pretty* funny

"so jon's parents were THEM?"
"yeah, too bad he got stabbed to death a few months ago"
"yeah bummer- anyway, about those white walkers"
 
2013-07-26 04:08:52 PM  
I was quite upset when I realized that the actress playing a 13-year-old in the first episode was actually 13 years old. Honestly, I thought she was at least 25.
 
2013-07-26 04:11:20 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: Killing off Snow would be fine.. helps move the plot along, helps get the Others getting past the Wall, to their ultimate battle with Westeros, after the Targaryans and their Dragons have won it back with the help of Varys.

Snow may well die. I just doubt he's dead... yet.


John Snow will live. The sword Light Bringer will be remade, and Snow will quench the newly-reforged blade by running it through Dany's chest.
 
2013-07-26 04:12:38 PM  

ScaryBottles: Freudian_slipknot: Carth: There is no evidence he is actually dead and a lot of evidence that he'll be back in winds of winter.

ScaryBottles: Really? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories

I can read.  Can you?

Or did you forget mid-stream what you were asking for?

/not the one conflating evidence and proof.

Sure you a point have unless I explicitly and intentionally used the word proof.

eally? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories. Just the books period. I'll wait and I have all five within reach literally. (my apartment is a shoebox)So yeah proof or quit your cryin'


I think you might be confused between the definitions of evidence and proof.

Evidence is facts that can support an assertion. Proof is definitive evidence that an assertion is true. There is plenty of evidence pointing to Jon snow being alive all supported by the text. What you are looking for is proof that he is alive. That we won't have until Martin flat out says one way or another.

I think the evidence pointing to him being alive outweighs the evidence that he is dead. You seem to disagree.

Either way your a jerk for trying to spoil the show for people who haven't read the books.
 
2013-07-26 04:14:32 PM  

LisaSimpson: Okay I wasn't going to bite with the ASOIF discussion but now I can't stop yelling at my screen:

From the books to suggest Jon Snow's story isn't over (note I didn't say he wasn't dead)

1. Read the prologue about Varamyr Sixskins from A Dance With Dragons.  It's all about wargs and what happens when they die.

2. Melisandre's chapter in ADWD when she is praying to the flames (around page 400 something):  The flames crackled softly, and in their crackling she heard the whispered name Jon Snow. His long face floated before her, limned in tongues of red and orange, appearing and disappearing again.  Now he was a man, now a wolf, and a man again.  But the skulls were there as well, the skulls were all around him.

3. Another from Melisandre:  I pray for a glimpse of Azor Ahai, and R'hllor only shows me Snow.

4. Martin has said in interviews that readers will find out who Jon Snow's parents are by the end of the series.  I sat in on a talk the showrunners of Game of Thrones did last April in Los Angeles.  From the horses' mouthes, they know who his parents are (and they said parents, not mom).  They HEAVILLY implied they are Rhaygar and Leanna.  Sorry I don't have a link or anything, my source is I heard them say it.  Point being that this is still a big mystery.  If we were done with Jon Snow why would this information still be so important?  Who would benefit from this information?  Martin doesn't seem like the type of writer to just throw it in there in book 7 with the characters being like "GEE too bad Snow is dead!  He would have liked to know that!"

Finally, an excerpt from an interview Martin JUST gave on io9:

"Some major characters - yes, I always had plans, what Tyrion's arc was gonna be through this, what Arya's arc was gonna be through this, what Jon Snow's arc is gonna be. I knew what the principal deaths were gonna be, and when they were coming. That would be the closest thing. "

The fact that he says "is" implies there is more to his story arc.  If he ...


Just because he's alive doesn't mean he will be Jon Snow as you imagine it, like I said earlier he'll warg into Ghost and end up serving Bran. Also what GRRM stated was he knew when and how Snow's story arc ends, not that Snow will make it to the end of the series. I've read the interview and it kinda sounds like you just heard what you wanted to hear.
 
2013-07-26 04:15:16 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Three years. For three years I warned you this day was coming, but you would not listen


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2013-07-26 04:17:46 PM  

give me doughnuts: tallguywithglasseson: Killing off Snow would be fine.. helps move the plot along, helps get the Others getting past the Wall, to their ultimate battle with Westeros, after the Targaryans and their Dragons have won it back with the help of Varys.

Snow may well die. I just doubt he's dead... yet.

John Snow will live. The sword Light Bringer will be remade, and Snow will quench the newly-reforged blade by running it through Dany's chest.


"Lightbringer" could just as easily refer to Dany's dragons who I might add she sacrificed Drogo to hatch kinda like when AA tempered his sword in his own wife's body.
 
2013-07-26 04:19:30 PM  

dj_spanmaster: [img33.imageshack.us image 550x374]

When the lights are out I forget she has dragons.

 
2013-07-26 04:21:29 PM  

Carth: ScaryBottles: Freudian_slipknot: Carth: There is no evidence he is actually dead and a lot of evidence that he'll be back in winds of winter.

ScaryBottles: Really? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories

I can read.  Can you?

Or did you forget mid-stream what you were asking for?

/not the one conflating evidence and proof.

Sure you a point have unless I explicitly and intentionally used the word proof.

eally? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories. Just the books period. I'll wait and I have all five within reach literally. (my apartment is a shoebox)So yeah proof or quit your cryin'

I think you might be confused between the definitions of evidence and proof.

Evidence is facts that can support an assertion. Proof is definitive evidence that an assertion is true. There is plenty of evidence pointing to Jon snow being alive all supported by the text. What you are looking for is proof that he is alive. That we won't have until Martin flat out says one way or another.

I think the evidence pointing to him being alive outweighs the evidence that he is dead. You seem to disagree.

Either way your a jerk for trying to spoil the show for people who haven't read the books.


Yeah well I'm sick of people whining about it. Its like going out in a rainstorm with no coat and then complaining about getting wet.
 
2013-07-26 04:22:12 PM  

naughtyrev: SecretAgentWoman: I'm going to call it: The Iron Throne is just a red herring.

It's all about White Walkers/Others verses Dragons

I think that's one side of things, but the Iron Throne is certainly being fought over, but the real combatants are Littlefinger and Varys - the rest of the people are their pawns.


This. I'm waiting for Littlefinger to drop a line from ASoS that puts every character into a neat, binary context that makes too much sense.

/I hope you know the one.
 
2013-07-26 04:22:17 PM  

ScaryBottles: Clash City Farker: ScaryBottles: Clash City Farker: ScaryBottles: Clash City Farker: Egalitarian: Clash City Farker: Dany, Jon Snow and Tyrion's mother all died in child birth.

Death by childbirth is pretty common when modern Western medical help isn't available. It sucks to be a woman in a 3rd world country and/or before the 20th century.

Thats denial. What does fat boy have to do spell it out for you?

Uhm your argument is the weakest I've heard in associated with the three heads of the dragon honestly, not saying you are wrong but yeah your argument is lacking.

Thats because I'm not arguing.

Wow seriously implying someone is so dumb that they have to have something spelled out to them isn't argumentative. Is that what you're saying?

So you think its a coincidence that the three most important characters in the story just happened to have mothers who all died in childbirth?

Maybe it is maybe it isn't my point is if thats all you got look harder there is better evidence to support your theory.


At best its symbolism and/or just simple tragedy and has nothing to point towards the dwarf being a Targ.  There are plenty of Targs who don't have dead mothers, nor does the prophesy of three mention anything about dead mothers
 
2013-07-26 04:24:20 PM  

ShadowKamui: ScaryBottles: Clash City Farker: ScaryBottles: Clash City Farker: ScaryBottles: Clash City Farker: Egalitarian: Clash City Farker: Dany, Jon Snow and Tyrion's mother all died in child birth.

Death by childbirth is pretty common when modern Western medical help isn't available. It sucks to be a woman in a 3rd world country and/or before the 20th century.

Thats denial. What does fat boy have to do spell it out for you?

Uhm your argument is the weakest I've heard in associated with the three heads of the dragon honestly, not saying you are wrong but yeah your argument is lacking.

Thats because I'm not arguing.

Wow seriously implying someone is so dumb that they have to have something spelled out to them isn't argumentative. Is that what you're saying?

So you think its a coincidence that the three most important characters in the story just happened to have mothers who all died in childbirth?

Maybe it is maybe it isn't my point is if thats all you got look harder there is better evidence to support your theory.

At best its symbolism and/or just simple tragedy and has nothing to point towards the dwarf being a Targ.  There are plenty of Targs who don't have dead mothers, nor does the prophesy of three mention anything about dead mothers


I'm with you I don't buy it either my point was that objectively that was some weak sauce.
 
2013-07-26 04:24:31 PM  

Carth: Either way your a jerk for trying to spoil the show for people who haven't read the books.


to be fair to him, this is clearly a book thread from the title. When its discussing filming/casting/etc then no spoilers is fair. when talking about martin needing to hurry up and write, book spoilers and speculation is fair game to my thinking
 
2013-07-26 04:27:11 PM  
Here's another reason to hurry up with the writing and the filming of the series:

Maisie Williams season 1 premier:
www.contactmusic.com

Maisie Williams at the season 3 premier:
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And Isaac Hempstead Wright, the kid that plays Bran Stark, is now 5' 8" tall. Luckily, the guy playing Hodor is 6' 10' and makes everyone look like a little kid. But still, the younger cast members are rapidly outgrowing their characters.
 
2013-07-26 04:27:39 PM  
They've got at least another season's worth of material by telling stories from before the series started, e.g. robert's rebellion.  I'd also be very stoked to see the Jaime Lannister / Arthur Dayne / Smiling Knight story fleshed out from the few references that Martin made to it.
 
2013-07-26 04:28:03 PM  

tlchwi02: Carth: Either way your a jerk for trying to spoil the show for people who haven't read the books.

to be fair to him, this is clearly a book thread from the title. When its discussing filming/casting/etc then no spoilers is fair. when talking about martin needing to hurry up and write, book spoilers and speculation is fair game to my thinking


I agree this is a good thread to talk about the books in but going out of your way to spoil the series it for someone who specifically asked not to is a jerky thing to do.
 
2013-07-26 04:28:53 PM  

tlchwi02: Carth: Either way your a jerk for trying to spoil the show for people who haven't read the books.

to be fair to him, this is clearly a book thread from the title. When its discussing filming/casting/etc then no spoilers is fair. when talking about martin needing to hurry up and write, book spoilers and speculation is fair game to my thinking


No hes right I'm being a jerk but thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt.
 
2013-07-26 04:30:41 PM  
I enjoy reading about speculations about fiction.   not a discussion of, for instance, the validity of a scientific theory, but how GRRM is going to interpret his story of a man who is killed then three days later comes back to life as a God.

like anyone would believe in resurection.
 
2013-07-26 04:31:18 PM  

Carth: I agree this is a good thread to talk about the books in but going out of your way to spoil the series it for someone who specifically asked not to is a jerky thing to do.


well, we have a LOT of  GOTTV threads on fark. I think the TV people can afford to let us book people have one where we can speculate freely.
 
2013-07-26 04:32:35 PM  

JolobinSmokin: Carth: ScaryBottles: Carth: ScaryBottles: ltdanman44: When the queen proclaims one king and the hand proclaims another, who do the gold cloaks follow?

[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x306]

The man who pays them.

[img.pandawhale.com image 850x477]

/sorry
//my favorite charactor
///no spoilers, please!

John Snow dies at the end of book 5. If you crybabies don't want spoilers don't look up the series online.

Sincerely, people who know how to read.

You might want to work on your reading comprehension. There is no evidence he is actually dead and a lot of evidence that he'll be back in winds of winter.

Really? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories. Just the books period. I'll wait and I have all five within reach literally. (my apartment is a shoebox) So yeah proof or quit your cryin'

Evidence that he is not dead? not sure what you're looking for here except that Martin doesn't say he is dead and neither does anyone else. You shouldn't assume characters are dead just because bad things happen to them. His fate was deliberately left uncertain as a cliff hanger but the fact none of the questions alluded to him have been answered is a pretty big clue he isn't dead.

Evidence he will play a role in the next book? God there is tons going back the whole series. The most likely is his death scene is needed to fill the prophecy of AAR as it meets all the requirements and is a huge part of the story.

Looking at his death scene his knife wound  was described as smoking (a weird choice of phrases and appears deliberate) with salty tears falling on him. Ser Patrek's sigil  was mentioned as a star and falling on the ground. Could all be a coincidence or it could be a direct reference to TPTWP. e've seen Moqorro heal mortal wounds before and Melisandre is up there which makes his resurrection the last and easiest part of the prophecy to fill.

The fact the only time in the entire series "a song of ice and fire" is mentioned is when talking abo ...


So, John Snow is really, Rheager and lyssa's kid and was never Ned's bastard?

/my wife's theory up until he got ceasar/brutus'd.

He could be dead he could not be dead that is the question.  Whether tis nobler for martin is yet to be seen.


Since we've already seen a couple characters die and then get better, I don't think he's gone for good. Plus dying is a good way to get out of his vows to the Night Watch.
 
2013-07-26 04:33:42 PM  

ScaryBottles: LisaSimpson: Okay I wasn't going to bite with the ASOIF discussion but now I can't stop yelling at my screen:

From the books to suggest Jon Snow's story isn't over (note I didn't say he wasn't dead)

1. Read the prologue about Varamyr Sixskins from A Dance With Dragons.  It's all about wargs and what happens when they die.

2. Melisandre's chapter in ADWD when she is praying to the flames (around page 400 something):  The flames crackled softly, and in their crackling she heard the whispered name Jon Snow. His long face floated before her, limned in tongues of red and orange, appearing and disappearing again.  Now he was a man, now a wolf, and a man again.  But the skulls were there as well, the skulls were all around him.

3. Another from Melisandre:  I pray for a glimpse of Azor Ahai, and R'hllor only shows me Snow.

4. Martin has said in interviews that readers will find out who Jon Snow's parents are by the end of the series.  I sat in on a talk the showrunners of Game of Thrones did last April in Los Angeles.  From the horses' mouthes, they know who his parents are (and they said parents, not mom).  They HEAVILLY implied they are Rhaygar and Leanna.  Sorry I don't have a link or anything, my source is I heard them say it.  Point being that this is still a big mystery.  If we were done with Jon Snow why would this information still be so important?  Who would benefit from this information?  Martin doesn't seem like the type of writer to just throw it in there in book 7 with the characters being like "GEE too bad Snow is dead!  He would have liked to know that!"

Finally, an excerpt from an interview Martin JUST gave on io9:

"Some major characters - yes, I always had plans, what Tyrion's arc was gonna be through this, what Arya's arc was gonna be through this, what Jon Snow's arc is gonna be. I knew what the principal deaths were gonna be, and when they were coming. That would be the closest thing. "

The fact that he says "is" implies there is more to his stor ...


I didn't say I thought he would survive the series.  I'm not gonna assume that for anyone (except for Tyrion because Martin basically IS Tyrion and I think he's too attached to him).  I was suggesting his story isn't done yet.  I agree that he's not going to be the same, but we're not done hearing about him (ie Lady Stoneheart isn't dead, but she's definitely not who she was).

I also think Jon Snow has a bad case of what I call The Harry Potter Complex.  He seems to get a lot of attention and things seem to work out well for him for seemingly no reason (or maybe there is a reason).  I don't want to make it sound like I'm a huge Jon Snow fan.  I don't hate the guy but he's far from my favorite character.  I've met some people that think Jon Snow is perma-dead, and I don't understand how anyone could come to that conclusion given what we've read, and a little bit of critical thinking.  Thats what drives me crazy.

By the way, I want to punch in the face all the readers who want Jon Snow on the Iron throne married to Dany and living happily ever after.  There are a LOT of those fans out there, and that would be a HORRIBLE ending.
 
2013-07-26 04:36:00 PM  
Another question I"m hoping they talk about in the next book. Will anyone find the real Horn of Winter and will we get a chapter will the entire Wall comes crashing down.
 
2013-07-26 04:38:35 PM  
George R. R. Martin, Write Like the Wind!

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2012/06/paul-storm-to-geo rg e-rr-martin-write-like-the-wind-video.html

(Which any Farkers who attend JCCC4 will no doubt see performed live...)
 
2013-07-26 04:41:26 PM  

ScaryBottles: ltdanman44: When the queen proclaims one king and the hand proclaims another, who do the gold cloaks follow?

[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x306]

The man who pays them.

[img.pandawhale.com image 850x477]

/sorry
//my favorite charactor
///no spoilers, please!

John Snow dies at the end of book 5. If you crybabies don't want spoilers don't look up the series online.

Sincerely, people who know how to read.


You are a self-important prick.

Sincerely, just about everybody else on the planet.
 
2013-07-26 04:41:57 PM  

Carth: Another question I"m hoping they talk about in the next book. Will anyone find the real Horn of Winter and will we get a chapter will the entire Wall comes crashing down.


The were references to ice dragons in the last book, so the horn of winter probably awakens/controls them.  Also offers a counter balances to Danny's fire dragons
 
2013-07-26 04:42:50 PM  

Carth: Another question I"m hoping they talk about in the next book. Will anyone find the real Horn of Winter and will we get a chapter will the entire Wall comes crashing down.


I'm probably the last person you wanna hear from but I think they already did. I think it was the horn wrapped in the bundle of dragon glass weapons the watch found north of the wall.
 
2013-07-26 04:44:15 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: ScaryBottles: ltdanman44: When the queen proclaims one king and the hand proclaims another, who do the gold cloaks follow?

[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x306]

The man who pays them.

[img.pandawhale.com image 850x477]

/sorry
//my favorite charactor
///no spoilers, please!

John Snow dies at the end of book 5. If you crybabies don't want spoilers don't look up the series online.

Sincerely, people who know how to read.

You are a self-important prick.

Sincerely, just about everybody else on the planet.


Yeah maybe
 
2013-07-26 04:44:57 PM  

ShadowKamui: Carth: Another question I"m hoping they talk about in the next book. Will anyone find the real Horn of Winter and will we get a chapter will the entire Wall comes crashing down.

The were references to ice dragons in the last book, so the horn of winter probably awakens/controls them.  Also offers a counter balances to Danny's fire dragons


That would be pretty awesome too. Do we know whether his children's book "Ice Dragons" is set in the same world? Is it supposed to be a play on one of Old Naans tales?
 
2013-07-26 04:45:40 PM  

ScaryBottles: Carth: Another question I"m hoping they talk about in the next book. Will anyone find the real Horn of Winter and will we get a chapter will the entire Wall comes crashing down.

I'm probably the last person you wanna hear from but I think they already did. I think it was the horn wrapped in the bundle of dragon glass weapons the watch found north of the wall.


I don't take anything personal on fark. When having a bad day I can be as jerky as anyone on the site.
 
2013-07-26 04:47:04 PM  

ScaryBottles: Carth: Another question I"m hoping they talk about in the next book. Will anyone find the real Horn of Winter and will we get a chapter will the entire Wall comes crashing down.

I'm probably the last person you wanna hear from but I think they already did. I think it was the horn wrapped in the bundle of dragon glass weapons the watch found north of the wall.


I agree. Just think of the disaster though if one of the Watch decided to just give it a toot, though!
 
2013-07-26 04:48:23 PM  

Carth: ScaryBottles: Carth: Another question I"m hoping they talk about in the next book. Will anyone find the real Horn of Winter and will we get a chapter will the entire Wall comes crashing down.

I'm probably the last person you wanna hear from but I think they already did. I think it was the horn wrapped in the bundle of dragon glass weapons the watch found north of the wall.

I don't take anything personal on fark. When having a bad day I can be as jerky as anyone on the site.


But yeah you're right the horn will come into play otherwise the white walkers don't get through and the story goes nowhere.
 
2013-07-26 04:49:43 PM  

Shostie: gilgigamesh: scottydoesntknow: Are they required to go by his source material? Why not do what Dexter did and go in a different direction?

Granted the source material for Dexter got weird and sucky after the first one, but I wouldn't think they have to wait for Martin to write more.

To a certain extent they have to. By the time you get to book four -- which is pretty big -- he pauses the story lines for a lot of the major characters and starts up new ones.

It wouldn't translate well to TV. Imagine a whole season that leaves a bunch of important story lines hanging in order to move on to new ones. A whole season with no Tyrion. You can get away with that in books, but the show would go over a cliff.

I figure they'll cover Feast and Dance at the same time, probably break the books into no fewer than three seasons.


The later books, 4-5 were originally much larger and were split east-west. Martin had mentioned something on his website about splitting a huge book into two large book and getting each of them out in short order...lying bastard that he is....no, not bitter...not at all...

anyway, it would make perfect sense to use some of the dropped material and re-integrate the books to stretch things out for 2-3 seasons.

Anyone want to take a trip to see George? I can get my hobbling block ready!
 
2013-07-26 04:53:10 PM  
Moodybastard:
Anyone want to take a trip to see George? I can get my hobbling block ready!

1.bp.blogspot.com

/I'm your biggest fan
 
2013-07-26 04:53:43 PM  

ScaryBottles: I think it was the horn wrapped in the bundle of dragon glass weapons the watch found north of the wall


i think it actually was found after the battle of the wall and burned when they toasted rattleshirt
 
2013-07-26 04:55:09 PM  

tlchwi02: ScaryBottles: I think it was the horn wrapped in the bundle of dragon glass weapons the watch found north of the wall

i think it actually was found after the battle of the wall and burned when they toasted rattleshirt


Actually that was a dragon horn that Stannis and Mel burned
 
2013-07-26 04:57:41 PM  

tlchwi02: Big Beef Burrito: What is your guess? I couldn't think of any one word. Maybe Arya, but I don't really remember if Brienne found out Arya was alive or not.

i'd say definetly arya, because she had just learned from the monks that the hound had been seen with arya (and he was quite certain of it.) I don't think she'd have cut brienne down for any other single word


"sword" was the word I believe. If I remember correctly, SH insisted she kill Jaime, Brienne refused. Then SH told her she could choose between the sword (to kill Jaime) and the noose. Brienne refused to choose, and the noose was applied. She then said one word, and as we know from ADwD, was released. It stands to reason that the word was "sword" I think.
 
2013-07-26 04:59:29 PM  

ScaryBottles: Really? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories. Just the books period. I'll wait and I have all five within reach literally. (my apartment is a shoebox) So yeah proof or quit your cryin'



The following is in invisible text, to keep the pure at heart from seeing spoilers. Drag your mouse over it to read it.

Jon fell to his knees. He found the dagger's hilt and wrenched it free. In the cold night air the wound was smoking. "Ghost" he whispered. Pain washed over him. Stick him with the pointy end. When the third dagger took him between the shoulder blades, he gave a grunt and fell face-first into the snow. He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold ...
A dance with Dragons, hard cover edition. page 913.


How is Jon any deader than Arya?


[...]And Arya ran. Not for her brother now, not even for her mother, but for herself. She ran faster than she had ever run before, her head down and her feet churning up the river, she ran from him as Mycah must have run.
His axe took her in the back of the head.
A Storm of Swords, soft cover edition. page 710.



There is no more proof that Jon is dead than there is proof he is alive.  In fact, barring his corpse floating down the Milkwater with Ghost's head sewn on it, I would personally put him as "status: Unknown."
 
2013-07-26 05:02:45 PM  

ctrlshiftspace: "sword" was the word I believe. If I remember correctly, SH insisted she kill Jaime, Brienne refused. Then SH told her she could choose between the sword (to kill Jaime) and the noose. Brienne refused to choose, and the noose was applied. She then said one word, and as we know from ADwD, was released. It stands to reason that the word was "sword" I think.


that just doesn't seem consistent with the brienne who up to this point has been pretty fearless/honorable. it seems odd she would suddenly wimp out and turn on jamie (or conversely swear she would kill jamie and then just say to heck with it as soon as she was out of sight and let her companions hang)
 
2013-07-26 05:06:51 PM  

Flab: ScaryBottles: Really? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories. Just the books period. I'll wait and I have all five within reach literally. (my apartment is a shoebox) So yeah proof or quit your cryin'


The following is in invisible text, to keep the pure at heart from seeing spoilers. Drag your mouse over it to read it.

Jon fell to his knees. He found the dagger's hilt and wrenched it free. In the cold night air the wound was smoking. "Ghost" he whispered. Pain washed over him. Stick him with the pointy end. When the third dagger took him between the shoulder blades, he gave a grunt and fell face-first into the snow. He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold ...
A dance with Dragons, hard cover edition. page 913.


How is Jon any deader than Arya?


[...]And Arya ran. Not for her brother now, not even for her mother, but for herself. She ran faster than she had ever run before, her head down and her feet churning up the river, she ran from him as Mycah must have run.
His axe took her in the back of the head.
A Storm of Swords, soft cover edition. page 710.

There is no more proof that Jon is dead than there is proof he is alive.  In fact, barring his corpse floating down the Milkwater with Ghost's head sewn on it, I would personally put him as "status: Unknown."


I agree I'm just sick of the knee jerk reaction Snow fans have on this. And yeah being stabbed for times is a little more explicit than "the ax took her in the back of the head." The books doesn't say John was taken by four daggers it says he felt them entering his body. But like you said there really isn't enough information to say yea or nay, but it is telling that you rushed to illustrate he might be alive rather than saying I don't know and neither do you. Also frankly based on your "evidence" alone I would have to conclude he is dead as fried chicken I'm just glad GRRM has more imagination than you.
 
2013-07-26 05:08:22 PM  
Full seasons of the popular Bleach anime cartoon have been dedicated to television only backstory/sidestory to give the author time to continue the series at his pace.

There is plenty of material available to do this from scratch, like Bleach does, or using existing material, like the Dunk and Egg comics.  It's not an optimal solution, but it has been done previously with success and something will probably need to happen to keep the series going.

Hell, who doesn't want Sean Bean to come back and act out Ned vs Arthur Dayne, or see a season dedicated to Robert's Rebellion with the Battle of the Trident as the finale? These are the stories that this type of scenario can flesh out, and, honestly, they're stories that readers have been itching for for over a decade
 
2013-07-26 05:12:02 PM  

bhcompy: Full seasons of the popular Bleach anime cartoon have been dedicated to television only backstory/sidestory to give the author time to continue the series at his pace.

There is plenty of material available to do this from scratch, like Bleach does, or using existing material, like the Dunk and Egg comics.  It's not an optimal solution, but it has been done previously with success and something will probably need to happen to keep the series going.

Hell, who doesn't want Sean Bean to come back and act out Ned vs Arthur Dayne, or see a season dedicated to Robert's Rebellion with the Battle of the Trident as the finale? These are the stories that this type of scenario can flesh out, and, honestly, they're stories that readers have been itching for for over a decade


The first volume of the World of Ice and Fire,comes out in 2014. It would be pretty awesome if HBO took 3-4 of the best stories from it and turned them into 4 episode miniseries and aired a new one every few months. It would keep people's interest up and give Martin time to finish the series.
 
2013-07-26 05:12:13 PM  

tlchwi02: ctrlshiftspace: "sword" was the word I believe. If I remember correctly, SH insisted she kill Jaime, Brienne refused. Then SH told her she could choose between the sword (to kill Jaime) and the noose. Brienne refused to choose, and the noose was applied. She then said one word, and as we know from ADwD, was released. It stands to reason that the word was "sword" I think.

that just doesn't seem consistent with the brienne who up to this point has been pretty fearless/honorable. it seems odd she would suddenly wimp out and turn on jamie (or conversely swear she would kill jamie and then just say to heck with it as soon as she was out of sight and let her companions hang)


It could be GRRM knocking Brienne off her high horse. Showing her the world isn't black and white as much as she would like it to be. Essentially she is caught between two equally noble vows that are at complete odds with each other either way she suffers dishonor due to circumstances she had nothing to do with. This is Brienne's grow the fark up moment.
 
2013-07-26 05:14:23 PM  

ScaryBottles: It could be GRRM knocking Brienne off her high horse. Showing her the world isn't black and white as much as she would like it to be. Essentially she is caught between two equally noble vows that are at complete odds with each other either way she suffers dishonor due to circumstances she had nothing to do with. This is Brienne's grow the fark up moment.


that would imply however that she is about to kill jaime. not that she couldn't just go ahead and lop of his head as soon as they are out of sight of the camp, but it just seems to so unlikely... on the other hand, just when you start to like someone is usually when they get stabbed right in the eye, so it would be in keeping with him
 
2013-07-26 05:15:45 PM  

ScaryBottles: Flab: ScaryBottles: Really? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories. Just the books period. I'll wait and I have all five within reach literally. (my apartment is a shoebox) So yeah proof or quit your cryin'


The following is in invisible text, to keep the pure at heart from seeing spoilers. Drag your mouse over it to read it.

Jon fell to his knees. He found the dagger's hilt and wrenched it free. In the cold night air the wound was smoking. "Ghost" he whispered. Pain washed over him. Stick him with the pointy end. When the third dagger took him between the shoulder blades, he gave a grunt and fell face-first into the snow. He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold ...
A dance with Dragons, hard cover edition. page 913.


How is Jon any deader than Arya?


[...]And Arya ran. Not for her brother now, not even for her mother, but for herself. She ran faster than she had ever run before, her head down and her feet churning up the river, she ran from him as Mycah must have run.
His axe took her in the back of the head.
A Storm of Swords, soft cover edition. page 710.

There is no more proof that Jon is dead than there is proof he is alive.  In fact, barring his corpse floating down the Milkwater with Ghost's head sewn on it, I would personally put him as "status: Unknown."

I agree I'm just sick of the knee jerk reaction Snow fans have on this. And yeah being stabbed for times is a little more explicit than "the ax took her in the back of the head." The books doesn't say John was taken by four daggers it says he felt them entering his body. But like you said there really isn't enough information to say yea or nay, but it is telling that you rushed to illustrate he might be alive rather than saying I don't know and neither do you. Also frankly based on your "evidence" alone I would have to conclude he is dead as fried chicken I'm just glad GRRM has more imagination than you.


He's paralyzed at the very least.
 
2013-07-26 05:17:12 PM  

ScaryBottles: but it is telling that you rushed to illustrate he might be alive rather than saying I don't know and neither do you.


Huh?  I'm actually saying I don't know.  I thought the "status: unknown" and "there is no more evidence he's dead than he's alive" would make that clear enough.  What makes you think I think he's alive?
 
2013-07-26 05:17:28 PM  

tlchwi02: that just doesn't seem consistent with the brienne who up to this point has been pretty fearless/honorable. it seems odd she would suddenly wimp out and turn on jamie (or conversely swear she would kill jamie and then just say to heck with it as soon as she was out of sight and let her companions hang)


I was wondering what the eff the word was. That makes sense
 
2013-07-26 05:19:54 PM  

bulok: naughtyrev: gilgigamesh: scottydoesntknow: Are they required to go by his source material? Why not do what Dexter did and go in a different direction?

Granted the source material for Dexter got weird and sucky after the first one, but I wouldn't think they have to wait for Martin to write more.

To a certain extent they have to. By the time you get to book four -- which is pretty big -- he pauses the story lines for a lot of the major characters and starts up new ones.

It wouldn't translate well to TV. Imagine a whole season that leaves a bunch of important story lines hanging in order to move on to new ones. A whole season with no Tyrion. You can get away with that in books, but the show would go over a cliff.

They'll just mash 4 and 5 together - they happen mostly simultaneously anyhow, so there's no real impact except for people who are trying to read the books and aren't caught up .

Not like it was ever done before on television, right?


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Right.
 
2013-07-26 05:21:55 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: ScaryBottles: Flab: ScaryBottles: Really? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories. Just the books period. I'll wait and I have all five within reach literally. (my apartment is a shoebox) So yeah proof or quit your cryin'


The following is in invisible text, to keep the pure at heart from seeing spoilers. Drag your mouse over it to read it.

Jon fell to his knees. He found the dagger's hilt and wrenched it free. In the cold night air the wound was smoking. "Ghost" he whispered. Pain washed over him. Stick him with the pointy end. When the third dagger took him between the shoulder blades, he gave a grunt and fell face-first into the snow. He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold ...
A dance with Dragons, hard cover edition. page 913.


How is Jon any deader than Arya?


[...]And Arya ran. Not for her brother now, not even for her mother, but for herself. She ran faster than she had ever run before, her head down and her feet churning up the river, she ran from him as Mycah must have run.
His axe took her in the back of the head.
A Storm of Swords, soft cover edition. page 710.

There is no more proof that Jon is dead than there is proof he is alive.  In fact, barring his corpse floating down the Milkwater with Ghost's head sewn on it, I would personally put him as "status: Unknown."

I agree I'm just sick of the knee jerk reaction Snow fans have on this. And yeah being stabbed for times is a little more explicit than "the ax took her in the back of the head." The books doesn't say John was taken by four daggers it says he felt them entering his body. But like you said there really isn't enough information to say yea or nay, but it is telling that you rushed to illustrate he might be alive rather than saying I don't know and neither do you. Also frankly based on your "evidence" alone I would have to conclude he is dead as fried chicken I'm just glad GRRM has more imagination than you.

He's paralyzed at the very least.


Eh, he could have been in shock. Or, Ghost...
 
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