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(The Atlantic Wire)   HBO's "Game of Thrones" is running out of George R.R. Martin material to adapt, so network sends him message: Keep writing, otherwise we'll have to produce some gratuitous sex and violence episodes   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 266
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2013-07-26 02:07:32 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Carth: Not to mention Robb's wife being at the Red Wedding.

That's not that big of a deal. In the book she just goes off and you never hear from her again. same same.


Unless Grayjoy gets a move on she isn't going to be back in time to fight for her father's throne.


Psycoholic_Slag: Although I like GOT, the only reason I click on these threads is to see this sweetheart
[joonbug.com image 600x741]

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She is hotter as a brunette, it is known


Depends if they plan to <stop reading here show only people> bring her back instead of Catelyn. That would have very big implications for Brienne's storyline.

We haven't heard from her yet. We know the Jamie's description of her doesn't match Catelyns so there is the possibility she actually does have a little king to the north in her somewhere and is in hiding.
 
2013-07-26 02:10:28 PM  
show sucks.  period.

.!
 
2013-07-26 02:12:04 PM  
images1.wikia.nocookie.net
Better bring in the big guns.
 
2013-07-26 02:12:37 PM  
They could fill a season just fleshing out back stories.
 
2013-07-26 02:13:13 PM  

JerseyTim: They should just take it where it ought to be taken even if George R. R. Martin doesn't get there first: With Hot Pie Hodor on the Iron Throne.


Hodored.
 
2013-07-26 02:13:44 PM  
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All in the Game of Thrones, yo. All in the Game of Thrones.
 
2013-07-26 02:14:55 PM  
images2.wikia.nocookie.net
Three years. For three years I warned you this day was coming, but you would not listen. Don't worry, you said, he'll finish. And now Martin has run out of released material. Showtime has 'Homeland', 'Mad Men' is wrapping up, even Fx has 'American Horror Story' and 'The Americans'. The pride was yours, the presumption was yours. For a thousand years, we have been awaiting the conclusion of the book series. And when it doesn't happens, you scorn it, you reject it because you you think you can wrap it up in a collosal clusterfark like 'True Blood'. "You know nothing, Jon Snow. The North remembers." You go to Comic Con and plaster the words, but your intent is empty, your ears closed except to churn out sex and violence. You stand for nothing but your own petty interests. "Meh, we'll just get another hot fantasy series." I do not blame you for standing silent in your shame. You, who knew what was coming, but refused to take up the burden of this war. If the executives will not wrap up the series, then the rest of us will. HBO has lost it's way. If it will not lead, if you have abandoned our commitment to excellence to Television, then we're cancelling our service, as we should have after you cancelled 'Deadwood'. We must stand with the others now before it's too late. Between the internet and Netflix, there is enough streaming media to entertain us. To you, I say, listen to the voice of your conscience. Wrap up the series and come with me. The time for meandering is over. We move now, together or not at all.
 
2013-07-26 02:15:24 PM  
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2013-07-26 02:16:39 PM  

kbronsito: gilgigamesh: scottydoesntknow: Are they required to go by his source material? Why not do what Dexter did and go in a different direction?

Granted the source material for Dexter got weird and sucky after the first one, but I wouldn't think they have to wait for Martin to write more.

To a certain extent they have to. By the time you get to book four -- which is pretty big -- he pauses the story lines for a lot of the major characters and starts up new ones.

It wouldn't translate well to TV. Imagine a whole season that leaves a bunch of important story lines hanging in order to move on to new ones. A whole season with no Tyrion. You can get away with that in books, but the show would go over a cliff.

A seson with Tyrion would be bad... but a season without Hodor would be a farking disaster.

My two Hodor theories:
1.  Hodor is somewhat related to the Targaryens. When everyone is dead, he will get the iron throne. and he is not really retarded afterall... he was just playing the long game of thrones.
2. The word "Hodor" is magical and it kills any white walker who hears it.


I actually was considering something related to this myself just this morning.  I'm part-way through reading the first book in the series.  The TV show doesn't really cover Hodor very well.  But there's a part in the book when Bran is bed-ridden where it's talking about Old Nan being his mother and it talks about that her revealing that his name's not Hodor, that it's Walder, but at some point when he was little he just started saying "Hodor" all the time and everyone started calling him that and it stuck. 

This random word being the only word he ever says and no one gives any thought to what it means strikes me as something that could be VERY interesting later on.  Especially with the overall way that the series places such importance on names and nicknames.  Hodor being called something other than his name to the point that no one remembers that it's not his name might be just symbolic of him being so unappreciated and misunderstood in general, but I wouldn't be shocked to find that "Hodor" means something important.
 
2013-07-26 02:18:14 PM  

ScaryBottles: Thank you I'm tired of hearing "He can't kill Jon Snow." I bet if the internet were more prevalent when AGoT was published these same morons would have been clamoring that Ned wasn't really dead. I know for a fact that there were thousands online claiming that he would bring Robb back, they're still waiting. If they want a happy ending they should stick to Harry Potter. I see your point but the fanbois refuse to even consider that their little favorite might actually die and that really bugs me.



/spoilers... i guess, seems like that ship has sailed?
he's not dead yet because he would transfer to ghost, since he is a warg.

Sybarite: Am I the only one who has trouble picturing Peter Dinklage jousting atop a pig?


would not be surprised to see that entire character/plot get cut. unless martin has some crazy story in the works for her, she's done nothing to move the overall plot along. be much quicker and more efficient to skip that entire sub plot.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: The stories have already begun to diverge. I only read it once but I think I would have remembered Sister Greyjoy going after her brother.


seems likely that they are setting her up to be in the north for her eventual stannis run in and doing it this way because they are combining euron and victarion into a single character. the entire iron born political thriller (while i liked it) does nothing to forward the plot. old man greyjoy dies, his one crazy traveling brother shows up, rallys the iron born with promises of dragons and such, and heads off to find dany on the other side of the world.
 
2013-07-26 02:22:22 PM  
It seems like Martin got bored with the series after book 3 anyway.  An entire season of "Brianne walks around a lot and then gets killed" would be some good TV.
 
2013-07-26 02:22:48 PM  

tlchwi02: ScaryBottles: Thank you I'm tired of hearing "He can't kill Jon Snow." I bet if the internet were more prevalent when AGoT was published these same morons would have been clamoring that Ned wasn't really dead. I know for a fact that there were thousands online claiming that he would bring Robb back, they're still waiting. If they want a happy ending they should stick to Harry Potter. I see your point but the fanbois refuse to even consider that their little favorite might actually die and that really bugs me.


/spoilers... i guess, seems like that ship has sailed?
he's not dead yet because he would transfer to ghost, since he is a warg.

Sybarite: Am I the only one who has trouble picturing Peter Dinklage jousting atop a pig?

would not be surprised to see that entire character/plot get cut. unless martin has some crazy story in the works for her, she's done nothing to move the overall plot along. be much quicker and more efficient to skip that entire sub plot.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: The stories have already begun to diverge. I only read it once but I think I would have remembered Sister Greyjoy going after her brother.

seems likely that they are setting her up to be in the north for her eventual stannis run in and doing it this way because they are combining euron and victarion into a single character. the entire iron born political thriller (while i liked it) does nothing to forward the plot. old man greyjoy dies, his one crazy traveling brother shows up, rallys the iron born with promises of dragons and such, and heads off to find dany on the other side of the world.


I agree on the warg thing I think he'll end up serving bran in Ghost's body but thats not even close to what these guys think will happen.
 
2013-07-26 02:22:54 PM  

ScaryBottles: Carth: ScaryBottles: ltdanman44: When the queen proclaims one king and the hand proclaims another, who do the gold cloaks follow?

[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x306]

The man who pays them.

[img.pandawhale.com image 850x477]

/sorry
//my favorite charactor
///no spoilers, please!

John Snow dies at the end of book 5. If you crybabies don't want spoilers don't look up the series online.

Sincerely, people who know how to read.

You might want to work on your reading comprehension. There is no evidence he is actually dead and a lot of evidence that he'll be back in winds of winter.

Really? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories. Just the books period. I'll wait and I have all five within reach literally. (my apartment is a shoebox) So yeah proof or quit your cryin'


Evidence that he is not dead? not sure what you're looking for here except that Martin doesn't say he is dead and neither does anyone else. You shouldn't assume characters are dead just because bad things happen to them. His fate was deliberately left uncertain as a cliff hanger but the fact none of the questions alluded to him have been answered is a pretty big clue he isn't dead.

Evidence he will play a role in the next book? God there is tons going back the whole series. The most likely is his death scene is needed to fill the prophecy of AAR as it meets all the requirements and is a huge part of the story.

Looking at his death scene his knife wound  was described as smoking (a weird choice of phrases and appears deliberate) with salty tears falling on him. Ser Patrek's sigil  was mentioned as a star and falling on the ground. Could all be a coincidence or it could be a direct reference to TPTWP. e've seen Moqorro heal mortal wounds before and Melisandre is up there which makes his resurrection the last and easiest part of the prophecy to fill.

The fact the only time in the entire series "a song of ice and fire" is mentioned is when talking about the prince who was promised meaning Martin isn't planning on just ignoring the prophecy he's been talking about for the entire series.

What evidence is there  that Snow is really dead? The fact he was stabbed four times?
 
2013-07-26 02:23:38 PM  

justtray: They should just do a flashback season with the overthrow of the mad king.

Bring back some of the actors who are gone now and explain all that backstory that gets eluded to constantly. It would add an extra dimension to characters we already know and knew.


No! no Mark Addy as young Robert.
 
2013-07-26 02:25:15 PM  
I stopped reading after waiting for years for book 4, then finding out book 5 wouldn't even advance the timeline.    Someone call me when he's done the series and I'll read it then.
 
2013-07-26 02:25:34 PM  

redstarr01: kbronsito: gilgigamesh: scottydoesntknow: Are they required to go by his source material? Why not do what Dexter did and go in a different direction?

Granted the source material for Dexter got weird and sucky after the first one, but I wouldn't think they have to wait for Martin to write more.

To a certain extent they have to. By the time you get to book four -- which is pretty big -- he pauses the story lines for a lot of the major characters and starts up new ones.

It wouldn't translate well to TV. Imagine a whole season that leaves a bunch of important story lines hanging in order to move on to new ones. A whole season with no Tyrion. You can get away with that in books, but the show would go over a cliff.

A seson with Tyrion would be bad... but a season without Hodor would be a farking disaster.

My two Hodor theories:
1.  Hodor is somewhat related to the Targaryens. When everyone is dead, he will get the iron throne. and he is not really retarded afterall... he was just playing the long game of thrones.
2. The word "Hodor" is magical and it kills any white walker who hears it.

I actually was considering something related to this myself just this morning.  I'm part-way through reading the first book in the series.  The TV show doesn't really cover Hodor very well.  But there's a part in the book when Bran is bed-ridden where it's talking about Old Nan being his mother and it talks about that her revealing that his name's not Hodor, that it's Walder, but at some point when he was little he just started saying "Hodor" all the time and everyone started calling him that and it stuck. 

This random word being the only word he ever says and no one gives any thought to what it means strikes me as something that could be VERY interesting later on.  Especially with the overall way that the series places such importance on names and nicknames.  Hodor being called something other than his name to the point that no one remembers that it's not his name might be just sym ...


I wonder what his relationship to Walder Frey is, since that family loves to name everyone Walder.
 
2013-07-26 02:28:36 PM  

kbronsito: 1. Hodor is somewhat related to the Targaryens



Hodor is the Dragon Reborn. His power will be revealed after he eats the hearts of John Snow and Danerys.
He and Bran will form a pact to enslave the descendants of the Andals. They will suffer and toil to spread weirwoods the length and breadth of Westeros.
 
2013-07-26 02:29:12 PM  
I think that we should have an "In Memorium" segment for Ros' boobs.
 
2013-07-26 02:30:07 PM  
If the last books are any indication, it might be a good idea to let the showrunners take over the story.
Plus, it'll cut down on people running into threads about the show to blab spoilers that won't happen for 2 more seasons.
 
2013-07-26 02:30:13 PM  

gilgigamesh: scottydoesntknow: Are they required to go by his source material? Why not do what Dexter did and go in a different direction?

Granted the source material for Dexter got weird and sucky after the first one, but I wouldn't think they have to wait for Martin to write more.

To a certain extent they have to. By the time you get to book four -- which is pretty big -- he pauses the story lines for a lot of the major characters and starts up new ones.

It wouldn't translate well to TV. Imagine a whole season that leaves a bunch of important story lines hanging in order to move on to new ones. A whole season with no Tyrion. You can get away with that in books, but the show would go over a cliff.


actually, you can't get away with that in books either.

book 4 sucked.
 
2013-07-26 02:31:43 PM  
Here's an idea: END THE GODDAMNED SERIES BEFORE YOU ADD COUSIN OLIVER LANNISTER
 
2013-07-26 02:31:56 PM  

tlchwi02: seems likely that they are setting her up to be in the north for her eventual stannis run in and doing it this way because they are combining euron and victarion into a single character. the entire iron born political thriller (while i liked it) does nothing to forward the plot. old man greyjoy dies, his one crazy traveling brother shows up, rallys the iron born with promises of dragons and such, and heads off to find dany on the other side of the world.


R.R. Martin finally found the one thing he desperately needed, someone with a black sharpie. Whoever he is working with over at HBO has been making some smart cuts. Hopefully we can get to the end without ever seeing her other brother and never ever seeing Dome.
 
2013-07-26 02:32:04 PM  

Carth: ScaryBottles: Carth: ScaryBottles: ltdanman44: When the queen proclaims one king and the hand proclaims another, who do the gold cloaks follow?

[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x306]

The man who pays them.

[img.pandawhale.com image 850x477]

/sorry
//my favorite charactor
///no spoilers, please!

John Snow dies at the end of book 5. If you crybabies don't want spoilers don't look up the series online.

Sincerely, people who know how to read.

You might want to work on your reading comprehension. There is no evidence he is actually dead and a lot of evidence that he'll be back in winds of winter.

Really? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories. Just the books period. I'll wait and I have all five within reach literally. (my apartment is a shoebox) So yeah proof or quit your cryin'

Evidence that he is not dead? not sure what you're looking for here except that Martin doesn't say he is dead and neither does anyone else. You shouldn't assume characters are dead just because bad things happen to them. His fate was deliberately left uncertain as a cliff hanger but the fact none of the questions alluded to him have been answered is a pretty big clue he isn't dead.

Evidence he will play a role in the next book? God there is tons going back the whole series. The most likely is his death scene is needed to fill the prophecy of AAR as it meets all the requirements and is a huge part of the story.

Looking at his death scene his knife wound  was described as smoking (a weird choice of phrases and appears deliberate) with salty tears falling on him. Ser Patrek's sigil  was mentioned as a star and falling on the ground. Could all be a coincidence or it could be a direct reference to TPTWP. e've seen Moqorro heal mortal wounds before and Melisandre is up there which makes his resurrection the last and easiest part of the prophecy to fill.

The fact the only time in the entire series "a song of ice and fire" is mentioned is when talking abo ...


Also worth noting that even GRRM won't say Snow is actually dead.

An interview with EW:

EW: So why did you kill Jon Snow?
GEORGE R.R. MARTIN
: Oh, you think he's dead, do you?
 
2013-07-26 02:33:14 PM  

Carth: ScaryBottles: Carth: ScaryBottles: ltdanman44: When the queen proclaims one king and the hand proclaims another, who do the gold cloaks follow?

[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x306]

The man who pays them.

[img.pandawhale.com image 850x477]

/sorry
//my favorite charactor
///no spoilers, please!

John Snow dies at the end of book 5. If you crybabies don't want spoilers don't look up the series online.

Sincerely, people who know how to read.

You might want to work on your reading comprehension. There is no evidence he is actually dead and a lot of evidence that he'll be back in winds of winter.

Really? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories. Just the books period. I'll wait and I have all five within reach literally. (my apartment is a shoebox) So yeah proof or quit your cryin'

Evidence that he is not dead? not sure what you're looking for here except that Martin doesn't say he is dead and neither does anyone else. You shouldn't assume characters are dead just because bad things happen to them. His fate was deliberately left uncertain as a cliff hanger but the fact none of the questions alluded to him have been answered is a pretty big clue he isn't dead.

Evidence he will play a role in the next book? God there is tons going back the whole series. The most likely is his death scene is needed to fill the prophecy of AAR as it meets all the requirements and is a huge part of the story.

Looking at his death scene his knife wound  was described as smoking (a weird choice of phrases and appears deliberate) with salty tears falling on him. Ser Patrek's sigil  was mentioned as a star and falling on the ground. Could all be a coincidence or it could be a direct reference to TPTWP. e've seen Moqorro heal mortal wounds before and Melisandre is up there which makes his resurrection the last and easiest part of the prophecy to fill.

The fact the only time in the entire series "a song of ice and fire" is mentioned is when talking abo ...



So, John Snow is really, Rheager and lyssa's kid and was never Ned's bastard?

/my wife's theory up until he got ceasar/brutus'd.

He could be dead he could not be dead that is the question.  Whether tis nobler for martin is yet to be seen.
 
2013-07-26 02:34:27 PM  

ScaryBottles: I agree on the warg thing I think he'll end up serving bran in Ghost's body but thats not even close to what these guys think will happen.


well, melisandra is also present (and her POVs have been all about how important jon is) and she obviously has the possibility to ressurect the dead (since we know thats one of the red priests general power sets.) Plus, there is the obvious plot furthering point that if he were brought back from the dead, he would actually be eligable to be a stark- his oath to the nights watch would be fullfilled by his death. This would be wildly convenient for martin, but he is pretty well known for avoiding these sorts of obvious things.... but in this case, he's also been all cagey when asked about it.

in any case, some part of jon will be in the next book. his "soul" is still going to be around and ambulatory, its just a question of "in what form" at this point
 
2013-07-26 02:36:04 PM  

Carth: Also worth noting that even GRRM won't say Snow is actually dead.

An interview with EW:

EW: So why did you kill Jon Snow?
GEORGE R.R. MARTIN: Oh, you think he's dead, do you?


itsvivid.files.wordpress.com
Herrings are coming.
 
2013-07-26 02:36:42 PM  

Carth: ScaryBottles: Carth: ScaryBottles: ltdanman44: When the queen proclaims one king and the hand proclaims another, who do the gold cloaks follow?

[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x306]

The man who pays them.

[img.pandawhale.com image 850x477]

/sorry
//my favorite charactor
///no spoilers, please!

John Snow dies at the end of book 5. If you crybabies don't want spoilers don't look up the series online.

Sincerely, people who know how to read.

You might want to work on your reading comprehension. There is no evidence he is actually dead and a lot of evidence that he'll be back in winds of winter.

Really? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories. Just the books period. I'll wait and I have all five within reach literally. (my apartment is a shoebox) So yeah proof or quit your cryin'

Evidence that he is not dead? not sure what you're looking for here except that Martin doesn't say he is dead and neither does anyone else. You shouldn't assume characters are dead just because bad things happen to them. His fate was deliberately left uncertain as a cliff hanger but the fact none of the questions alluded to him have been answered is a pretty big clue he isn't dead.

Evidence he will play a role in the next book? God there is tons going back the whole series. The most likely is his death scene is needed to fill the prophecy of AAR as it meets all the requirements and is a huge part of the story.

Looking at his death scene his knife wound  was described as smoking (a weird choice of phrases and appears deliberate) with salty tears falling on him. Ser Patrek's sigil  was mentioned as a star and falling on the ground. Could all be a coincidence or it could be a direct reference to TPTWP. e've seen Moqorro heal mortal wounds before and Melisandre is up there which makes his resurrection the last and easiest part of the prophecy to fill.

The fact the only time in the entire series "a song of ice and fire" is mentioned is when talking abo ...


I said no theories or fan speculation, take that away from your arguments and basically you have nothing. Please take a seat next to the Ned Stark and Robb deniers. Why is Martin's statement that no is safe in his series so hard for people to grasp? I miss the Hound terribly (yeah yeah I know Brienne, Quiet Isle etc its a theory based on speculation until they do a true reveal he's dead as far as I am concerned) but dude he's dead most likely. Like I said if you believe in plot immunity go read Harry Potter. And by the way how deluded are you that you think Snow is AAR/TPTWP its clearly Dany she meets every one of the prophesies without any need for Logical somersaults to make it fit. Unlike Snow, Tyrion, Stannis and the other countless theories posted by people who seem to think they are smarter than everyone else. Are gonna go hunting Bigfoot and Atlantis next?
 
2013-07-26 02:37:39 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: R.R. Martin finally found the one thing he desperately needed, someone with a black sharpie. Whoever he is working with over at HBO has been making some smart cuts. Hopefully we can get to the end without ever seeing her other brother and never ever seeing Dome.


yeah, the thing about the entire iron born story line is that reading it is actually one of my favorite parts of the book. the characters are fascinating viking/barbarians and their infighting is fairly compelling.

but then, after reading 100's of pages about who is going to sit on their throne and its all settled and i think about what that means to the overall plot and i realize it didn't mean sh*t.
 
2013-07-26 02:38:14 PM  

stoli n coke: If the last books are any indication, it might be a good idea to let the showrunners take over the story.
Plus, it'll cut down on people running into threads about the show to blab spoilers that won't happen for 2 more seasons.


BOO HOO
 
2013-07-26 02:38:27 PM  

gilgigamesh: The last half of the final book will just be 900 pages of white walkers shambling around the broken remains of civilization.


And half of that will be about what the white walkers eat and wear.
 
2013-07-26 02:40:31 PM  

JolobinSmokin: So, John Snow is really, Rheager and lyssa's kid and was never Ned's bastard?


I think you mean Lyanna. It's a compelling theory, and it does explain why Ned waffled on telling Robert who the mother was.
 
2013-07-26 02:41:03 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 574x382]
Three years. For three years I warned you this day was coming, but you would not listen. Don't worry, you said, he'll finish. And now Martin has run out of released material. Showtime has 'Homeland', 'Mad Men' is wrapping up, even Fx has 'American Horror Story' and 'The Americans'. The pride was yours, the presumption was yours. For a thousand years, we have been awaiting the conclusion of the book series. And when it doesn't happens, you scorn it, you reject it because you you think you can wrap it up in a collosal clusterfark like 'True Blood'. "You know nothing, Jon Snow. The North remembers." You go to Comic Con and plaster the words, but your intent is empty, your ears closed except to churn out sex and violence. You stand for nothing but your own petty interests. "Meh, we'll just get another hot fantasy series." I do not blame you for standing silent in your shame. You, who knew what was coming, but refused to take up the burden of this war. If the executives will not wrap up the series, then the rest of us will. HBO has lost it's way. If it will not lead, if you have abandoned our commitment to excellence to Television, then we're cancelling our service, as we should have after you cancelled 'Deadwood'. We must stand with the others now before it's too late. Between the internet and Netflix, there is enough streaming media to entertain us. To you, I say, listen to the voice of your conscience. Wrap up the series and come with me. The time for meandering is over. We move now, together or not at all.


Damn. That was beautiful.
 
2013-07-26 02:41:35 PM  

ScaryBottles: stoli n coke: If the last books are any indication, it might be a good idea to let the showrunners take over the story.
Plus, it'll cut down on people running into threads about the show to blab spoilers that won't happen for 2 more seasons.

BOO HOO



That doesn't happen?
 
2013-07-26 02:41:46 PM  

Carth: Carth: ScaryBottles: Carth: ScaryBottles: ltdanman44: When the queen proclaims one king and the hand proclaims another, who do the gold cloaks follow?

[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x306]

The man who pays them.

[img.pandawhale.com image 850x477]

/sorry
//my favorite charactor
///no spoilers, please!

John Snow dies at the end of book 5. If you crybabies don't want spoilers don't look up the series online.

Sincerely, people who know how to read.

You might want to work on your reading comprehension. There is no evidence he is actually dead and a lot of evidence that he'll be back in winds of winter.

Really? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories. Just the books period. I'll wait and I have all five within reach literally. (my apartment is a shoebox) So yeah proof or quit your cryin'

Evidence that he is not dead? not sure what you're looking for here except that Martin doesn't say he is dead and neither does anyone else. You shouldn't assume characters are dead just because bad things happen to them. His fate was deliberately left uncertain as a cliff hanger but the fact none of the questions alluded to him have been answered is a pretty big clue he isn't dead.

Evidence he will play a role in the next book? God there is tons going back the whole series. The most likely is his death scene is needed to fill the prophecy of AAR as it meets all the requirements and is a huge part of the story.

Looking at his death scene his knife wound  was described as smoking (a weird choice of phrases and appears deliberate) with salty tears falling on him. Ser Patrek's sigil  was mentioned as a star and falling on the ground. Could all be a coincidence or it could be a direct reference to TPTWP. e've seen Moqorro heal mortal wounds before and Melisandre is up there which makes his resurrection the last and easiest part of the prophecy to fill.

The fact the only time in the entire series "a song of ice and fire" is mentioned is when talk ...


GRRM never says he's alive he just throws doubt on the question its not even close to the same thing.
 
2013-07-26 02:42:49 PM  
Even if he is dead, it is pitifully easy for him to come back.
 
2013-07-26 02:44:40 PM  

ScaryBottles: I said no theories or fan speculation, take that away from your arguments and basically you have nothing


You did ask for evidence. You got a crap ton of evidence.

If you wanted solid proof, you should have asked for it.

/words are wind
 
2013-07-26 02:45:05 PM  

JolobinSmokin: Carth: ScaryBottles: Carth: ScaryBottles: ltdanman44: When the queen proclaims one king and the hand proclaims another, who do the gold cloaks follow?

[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x306]

The man who pays them.

[img.pandawhale.com image 850x477]

/sorry
//my favorite charactor
///no spoilers, please!

John Snow dies at the end of book 5. If you crybabies don't want spoilers don't look up the series online.

Sincerely, people who know how to read.

You might want to work on your reading comprehension. There is no evidence he is actually dead and a lot of evidence that he'll be back in winds of winter.

Really? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories. Just the books period. I'll wait and I have all five within reach literally. (my apartment is a shoebox) So yeah proof or quit your cryin'

Evidence that he is not dead? not sure what you're looking for here except that Martin doesn't say he is dead and neither does anyone else. You shouldn't assume characters are dead just because bad things happen to them. His fate was deliberately left uncertain as a cliff hanger but the fact none of the questions alluded to him have been answered is a pretty big clue he isn't dead.

Evidence he will play a role in the next book? God there is tons going back the whole series. The most likely is his death scene is needed to fill the prophecy of AAR as it meets all the requirements and is a huge part of the story.

Looking at his death scene his knife wound  was described as smoking (a weird choice of phrases and appears deliberate) with salty tears falling on him. Ser Patrek's sigil  was mentioned as a star and falling on the ground. Could all be a coincidence or it could be a direct reference to TPTWP. e've seen Moqorro heal mortal wounds before and Melisandre is up there which makes his resurrection the last and easiest part of the prophecy to fill.

The fact the only time in the entire series "a song of ice and fire" is mentioned is when talk ...


Your wife is probably right on that one, what gets me is how many people it has seemed to slip past that Jaime and Cersei were fathered by Aerys. Again just a theory of mine I've been kicking around since book 2 so take it or leave it but its looking more likely each book.
 
2013-07-26 02:49:53 PM  

ScaryBottles: Carth: ScaryBottles: Carth: ScaryBottles: ltdanman44: When the queen proclaims one king and the hand proclaims another, who do the gold cloaks follow?

[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x306]

The man who pays them.

[img.pandawhale.com image 850x477]

/sorry
//my favorite charactor
///no spoilers, please!

John Snow dies at the end of book 5. If you crybabies don't want spoilers don't look up the series online.

Sincerely, people who know how to read.

You might want to work on your reading comprehension. There is no evidence he is actually dead and a lot of evidence that he'll be back in winds of winter.

Really? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories. Just the books period. I'll wait and I have all five within reach literally. (my apartment is a shoebox) So yeah proof or quit your cryin'

Evidence that he is not dead? not sure what you're looking for here except that Martin doesn't say he is dead and neither does anyone else. You shouldn't assume characters are dead just because bad things happen to them. His fate was deliberately left uncertain as a cliff hanger but the fact none of the questions alluded to him have been answered is a pretty big clue he isn't dead.

Evidence he will play a role in the next book? God there is tons going back the whole series. The most likely is his death scene is needed to fill the prophecy of AAR as it meets all the requirements and is a huge part of the story.

Looking at his death scene his knife wound  was described as smoking (a weird choice of phrases and appears deliberate) with salty tears falling on him. Ser Patrek's sigil  was mentioned as a star and falling on the ground. Could all be a coincidence or it could be a direct reference to TPTWP. e've seen Moqorro heal mortal wounds before and Melisandre is up there which makes his resurrection the last and easiest part of the prophecy to fill.

The fact the only time in the entire series "a song of ice and fire" is mentioned is when talk ...


Actually Arya is safe, his wife made him promise that she wouldn't die.  And Danny has invincible plot armor till she gets to Westerous
 
2013-07-26 02:50:16 PM  

give me doughnuts: Hodor is the Dragon Reborn.


As a big Wheel of Time fan, I just spent the last 10 minutes laughing to myself while thinking about Hodor fighting The Dark One at Tarmon Gai'den in a way similar to that depicted in the last WoT book.
 
2013-07-26 02:50:18 PM  

Freudian_slipknot: ScaryBottles: I said no theories or fan speculation, take that away from your arguments and basically you have nothing

You did ask for evidence. You got a crap ton of evidence.


If you wanted solid proof, you should have asked for it.

/words are wind

Carth: Carth: ScaryBottles: Carth: ScaryBottles: ltdanman44: When the queen proclaims one king and the hand proclaims another, who do the gold cloaks follow?

[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x306]

The man who pays them.

[img.pandawhale.com image 850x477]

/sorry
//my favorite charactor
///no spoilers, please!

John Snow dies at the end of book 5. If you crybabies don't want spoilers don't look up the series online.

Sincerely, people who know how to read.

You might want to work on your reading comprehension. There is no evidence he is actually dead and a lot of evidence that he'll be back in winds of winter.

Really? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories. Just the books period. I'll wait and I have all five within reach literally. (my apartment is a shoebox)

So yeah proof or quit your cryin'

Evidence that he is not dead? not sure what you're looking for here except that Martin doesn't say he is dead and neither does anyone else. You shouldn't assume characters are dead just because bad things happen to them. His fate was deliberately left uncertain as a cliff hanger but the fact none of the questions alluded to him have been answered is a pretty big clue he isn't dead.

Evidence he will play a role in the next book? God there is tons going back the whole series. The most likely is his death scene is needed to fill the prophecy of AAR as it meets all the requirements and is a huge part of the story.

Looking at his death scene his knife wound  was described as smoking (a weird choice of phrases and appears deliberate) with salty tears falling on him. Ser Patrek's sigil  was mentioned as a star and falling on the ground. Could all be a coincidence or it could be a direct reference to TPTWP. e've seen Moqorro heal mortal wounds before and Melisandre is up there which makes his resurrection the last and easiest part of the prophecy to fill.

The fact the only time in the entire series "a song of ice and fire" is mentioned is when talk ...


Learn to read.
 
2013-07-26 02:52:11 PM  
Well, this thread degenerated.

"George R.R. Martin has had characters appear to be dead/actually die (Beric Dondarrion, Ser Davos, Catelyn Stark, Bran and Rickon Stark, Aegon Targaryen, Jon Connington, Gregor Clegane) repeatedly. He's written characters that are capable of warging into other creatures and maintaining their consciousness after death (Orell). Also, there's these R'hllor guys who are capable of bringing people back from the dead. One of whom happens to be at the Wall. HOW DARE YOU THINK JON SNOW IS ANYTHING BUT PERMANENTLY DEAD FOREVER AND ALWAYS."
 
2013-07-26 02:53:30 PM  

ShadowKamui: Actually Arya is safe, his wife made him promise that she wouldn't die.  And Danny has invincible plot armor till she gets to Westerous


Unless of course he intends to have the White Walkers win, never rule that out.
 
2013-07-26 02:54:13 PM  

ScaryBottles: Your wife is probably right on that one, what gets me is how many people it has seemed to slip past that Jaime and Cersei were fathered by Aerys. Again just a theory of mine I've been kicking around since book 2 so take it or leave it but its looking more likely each book.


What makes you think that?
 
2013-07-26 02:54:48 PM  
Dany, Jon Snow and Tyrion are the last three real Targaryens... her brother too, but he will be killed at beginning of Book 6...

Book it!
 
2013-07-26 02:55:02 PM  
Just pretend the last two books never happened and take the story in a completely different direction.  Not only will it be a definite improvement over those two crap books, but the ire it produces in George Rest & Relaxation Martin and his sycophantic toadies will be almost as entertaining as the show has been.
 
2013-07-26 02:56:34 PM  

Carth: There is no evidence he is actually dead and a lot of evidence that he'll be back in winds of winter.


ScaryBottles: Really? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories


I can read.  Can you?

Or did you forget mid-stream what you were asking for?

/not the one conflating evidence and proof.
 
2013-07-26 02:57:34 PM  
Martin wants HBO to take the arrows for anti-climatic ending.
 
2013-07-26 02:58:48 PM  

Shostie: gilgigamesh: scottydoesntknow:

I figure they'll cover Feast and Dance at the same time, probably break the books into no fewer than three seasons.


Three seasons of everyone on the show puttering around doing absolutely nothing interesting?  If they do stick to the books, they should cram Feast and Dance into one full season at best.  They're 90% filler.
 
2013-07-26 02:59:24 PM  
It's pretty clear Danaerys, Bran, and maybe Tyrion have plot immunity. Jon Snow might be mostly dead, but odds are he'll be dragged back in.
 
2013-07-26 03:00:18 PM  

KellyX: Dany, Jon Snow and Tyrion are the last three real Targaryens... her brother too, but he will be killed at beginning of Book 6...

Book it!


They are the 3 heads of the dragon. I believe there are still other Targs floating around.
 
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