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(The Atlantic Wire)   HBO's "Game of Thrones" is running out of George R.R. Martin material to adapt, so network sends him message: Keep writing, otherwise we'll have to produce some gratuitous sex and violence episodes   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 266
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2013-07-26 11:46:33 AM
this would be the perfect situation to end a series way they ended the Sopranos.
 
2013-07-26 11:48:05 AM
They should just take it where it ought to be taken even if George R. R. Martin doesn't get there first: With Hot Pie on the Iron Throne.
 
2013-07-26 11:59:56 AM
Are they required to go by his source material? Why not do what Dexter did and go in a different direction?

Granted the source material for Dexter got weird and sucky after the first one, but I wouldn't think they have to wait for Martin to write more.
 
2013-07-26 12:00:45 PM
FTFA: The problem has always been that Martin hasn't yet written the final two books in the seven-book series the show is based on. And he's not terribly fast at writing them: the five books so far in the series have been published over 15 years; the television show has covered three of those books in three years.

*adjusts nerd glasses*

Uh, technically, they have finished 2 1/2 books in 3 years. The fourth season will cover the second half of the third book.

Now, if you will excuse me ... I have to organize my pocket protectors.
 
2013-07-26 12:11:26 PM

scottydoesntknow: Are they required to go by his source material? Why not do what Dexter did and go in a different direction?

Granted the source material for Dexter got weird and sucky after the first one, but I wouldn't think they have to wait for Martin to write more.


To a certain extent they have to. By the time you get to book four -- which is pretty big -- he pauses the story lines for a lot of the major characters and starts up new ones.

It wouldn't translate well to TV. Imagine a whole season that leaves a bunch of important story lines hanging in order to move on to new ones. A whole season with no Tyrion. You can get away with that in books, but the show would go over a cliff.
 
2013-07-26 12:13:21 PM

gilgigamesh: scottydoesntknow: Are they required to go by his source material? Why not do what Dexter did and go in a different direction?

Granted the source material for Dexter got weird and sucky after the first one, but I wouldn't think they have to wait for Martin to write more.

To a certain extent they have to. By the time you get to book four -- which is pretty big -- he pauses the story lines for a lot of the major characters and starts up new ones.

It wouldn't translate well to TV. Imagine a whole season that leaves a bunch of important story lines hanging in order to move on to new ones. A whole season with no Tyrion. You can get away with that in books, but the show would go over a cliff.


They'll just mash 4 and 5 together - they happen mostly simultaneously anyhow, so there's no real impact except for people who are trying to read the books and aren't caught up .
 
2013-07-26 12:21:36 PM

gilgigamesh: scottydoesntknow: Are they required to go by his source material? Why not do what Dexter did and go in a different direction?

Granted the source material for Dexter got weird and sucky after the first one, but I wouldn't think they have to wait for Martin to write more.

To a certain extent they have to. By the time you get to book four -- which is pretty big -- he pauses the story lines for a lot of the major characters and starts up new ones.

It wouldn't translate well to TV. Imagine a whole season that leaves a bunch of important story lines hanging in order to move on to new ones. A whole season with no Tyrion. You can get away with that in books, but the show would go over a cliff.


A seson with Tyrion would be bad... but a season without Hodor would be a farking disaster.

My two Hodor theories:
1.  Hodor is somewhat related to the Targaryens. When everyone is dead, he will get the iron throne. and he is not really retarded afterall... he was just playing the long game of thrones.
2. The word "Hodor" is magical and it kills any white walker who hears it.
 
2013-07-26 12:21:39 PM

gilgigamesh: scottydoesntknow: Are they required to go by his source material? Why not do what Dexter did and go in a different direction?

Granted the source material for Dexter got weird and sucky after the first one, but I wouldn't think they have to wait for Martin to write more.

To a certain extent they have to. By the time you get to book four -- which is pretty big -- he pauses the story lines for a lot of the major characters and starts up new ones.

It wouldn't translate well to TV. Imagine a whole season that leaves a bunch of important story lines hanging in order to move on to new ones. A whole season with no Tyrion. You can get away with that in books, but the show would go over a cliff.


I figure they'll cover Feast and Dance at the same time, probably break the books into no fewer than three seasons.
 
2013-07-26 12:22:55 PM
I'm going to call it: The Iron Throne is just a red herring.

It's all about White Walkers/Others verses Dragons
 
2013-07-26 12:23:24 PM

naughtyrev: gilgigamesh: scottydoesntknow: Are they required to go by his source material? Why not do what Dexter did and go in a different direction?

Granted the source material for Dexter got weird and sucky after the first one, but I wouldn't think they have to wait for Martin to write more.

To a certain extent they have to. By the time you get to book four -- which is pretty big -- he pauses the story lines for a lot of the major characters and starts up new ones.

It wouldn't translate well to TV. Imagine a whole season that leaves a bunch of important story lines hanging in order to move on to new ones. A whole season with no Tyrion. You can get away with that in books, but the show would go over a cliff.

They'll just mash 4 and 5 together - they happen mostly simultaneously anyhow, so there's no real impact except for people who are trying to read the books and aren't caught up .



Yes... I read that they will mix 4 and 5 together into two seasons, since the events in those books happen at the same time.
 
2013-07-26 12:24:42 PM

SecretAgentWoman: I'm going to call it: The Iron Throne is just a red herring.

It's all about White Walkers/Others verses Dragons


I don't think he knows where to go, next. Or how to end it.
 
2013-07-26 12:29:01 PM

SecretAgentWoman: I'm going to call it: The Iron Throne is just a red herring.

It's all about White Walkers/Others verses Dragons


I think that's one side of things, but the Iron Throne is certainly being fought over, but the real combatants are Littlefinger and Varys - the rest of the people are their pawns.
 
2013-07-26 12:29:27 PM
If you want George to write faster, then stop paying him any attention until he's done writing.

With this guy's schedule, who has time to write stuff?
 
2013-07-26 12:30:36 PM
I would like to see a couple of episodes featuring different food recipes and baking demonstrations. Think about all the fascinating things you'll learn about bread!

Mmmm.
 
2013-07-26 12:34:06 PM

HawgWild: Uh, technically, they have finished 2 1/2 books in 3 years. The fourth season will cover the second half of the third book.

Now, if you will excuse me ... I have to organize my pocket protectors.


I need you to show your math. Two of the book run side by side but on different continents. The show is jumping back and forth really well so I dont think they are going to spend one season following Daenerys and then one season on the Wall/Kings Landing. So really that eliminates one whole book.

But I like how they do sex and violence so I'm ok with this.
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2013-07-26 12:39:51 PM

HawgWild: Uh, technically, they have finished 2 1/2 books in 3 years. The fourth season will cover the second half of the third book.

Now, if you will excuse me ... I have to organize my pocket protectors.


Was going to say, there's a ton of major shiat they haven't covered from book 3.

Add that onto books 4 and 5, you've got 3 more 10-episode seasons easily, which would be airing until at least 2016.
Even if Martin hasn't finished book 6 by then, he'd very likely have enough of it done to finish the scripts to start filming GoT season 7 in 2016, airing in 2017...

But, I guess I could see being worried that he won't have enough of the final book done by 2017 to start filming GoT season 8.

So, prepare thyself for Game of Thrones season 7.5... Ye Olde Clips shows!

//could also drag out books 4, 5, and the last part of book 3 to be more than 3 seasons
//a full episode would be Tyrion muttering himself about where the whores go and his crossbow trick
 
2013-07-26 12:42:41 PM

SecretAgentWoman: I'm going to call it: The Iron Throne is just a red herring.

It's all about White Walkers/Others verses Dragons


Well, sorta. The grand arc here is the uniting all the banners of Westeros under one authority, maybe into a new nation, in time to take on the existential threat to all of them posed by the white walkers.

Then again, knowing Martin it may well be that the arc will be deepening civil war blinding everyone to the real threat until its too late, with the white walkers taking advantage of the chaos to wipe them all out.

The last half of the final book will just be 900 pages of white walkers shambling around the broken remains of civilization.
 
2013-07-26 12:53:04 PM
The problem I have with all shows really is that they can't let them die. So instead of letting them die or end they turn into crap like that stupid island TV show.. can't remember the name. Very interesting first season then downhill from there. I wish someone would do a 1 or 2 season show and END IT. Maybe have an overall theme for the world in which it's created and then maybe have an entirely new single season or dual season and END IT.

Anyways.. this is why I don't watch TV. I can't watch Game of Thrones even though George RR Martin is a good friend of my moms and I used to chill with him at Sci Fi conventions when I was a kid.. I can't because I know the show will eventually turn into a spiraling whirlpool of toilet juice.
 
2013-07-26 12:53:35 PM
Am I the only one who has trouble picturing Peter Dinklage jousting atop a pig?
 
2013-07-26 12:54:44 PM

Nadie_AZ: SecretAgentWoman: I'm going to call it: The Iron Throne is just a red herring.

It's all about White Walkers/Others verses Dragons

I don't think he knows where to go, next. Or how to end it.


I disagree.. I think he knows exactly how it ends...unfinished when he keels over due to a heart-attack
 
2013-07-26 01:01:18 PM

JerseyTim: They should just take it where it ought to be taken even if George R. R. Martin doesn't get there first: With Hot Pie on the Iron Throne.


I liked the TWoP recapper's idea of having the long-forgotten Rickon emerge after everyone else is dead, "I'm king of the north, farkers!"

Anyway, I certainly hope they'll edit down books 4 and 5 to more rigorous plot lines.
 
2013-07-26 01:02:31 PM

Sybarite: Am I the only one who has trouble picturing Peter Dinklage jousting atop a pig?


I'm actually looking forward to it.
 
2013-07-26 01:34:34 PM
Just ask some Otaku on how best to handle this.
 
2013-07-26 01:38:20 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  The show and the books will have two different endings.  GRRM is going to kill someone off that HBO won't go along with, like Tyrion or Dany, and the two stories will diverge.
 
2013-07-26 01:40:43 PM

imontheinternet: I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  The show and the books will have two different endings.  GRRM is going to kill someone off that HBO won't go along with, like Tyrion or Dany, and the two stories will diverge.


The stories have already begun to diverge. I only read it once but I think I would have remembered Sister Greyjoy going after her brother.
 
2013-07-26 01:41:38 PM
Bigger problem is that Books 4 and 5 are no where near as good as Books 1 - 3.
 
2013-07-26 01:43:41 PM
When the queen proclaims one king and the hand proclaims another, who do the gold cloaks follow?

assets.rollingstone.com

The man who pays them.

img.pandawhale.com

/sorry
//my favorite charactor
///no spoilers, please!
 
2013-07-26 01:44:03 PM
Although I like GOT, the only reason I click on these threads is to see this sweetheart
joonbug.com
 
2013-07-26 01:45:00 PM

gilgigamesh: SecretAgentWoman: I'm going to call it: The Iron Throne is just a red herring.

It's all about White Walkers/Others verses Dragons

Well, sorta. The grand arc here is the uniting all the banners of Westeros under one authority, maybe into a new nation, in time to take on the existential threat to all of them posed by the white walkers.

Then again, knowing Martin it may well be that the arc will be deepening civil war blinding everyone to the real threat until its too late, with the white walkers taking advantage of the chaos to wipe them all out.

The last half of the final book will just be 900 pages of white walkers shambling around the broken remains of civilization.


horrorhothousereview.files.wordpress.com

I've seen that movie
 
2013-07-26 01:46:40 PM

xynix: The problem I have with all shows really is that they can't let them die. So instead of letting them die or end they turn into crap like that stupid island TV show.. can't remember the name. Very interesting first season then downhill from there. I wish someone would do a 1 or 2 season show and END IT. Maybe have an overall theme for the world in which it's created and then maybe have an entirely new single season or dual season and END IT.

Anyways.. this is why I don't watch TV. I can't watch Game of Thrones even though George RR Martin is a good friend of my moms and I used to chill with him at Sci Fi conventions when I was a kid.. I can't because I know the show will eventually turn into a spiraling whirlpool of toilet juice.


You're asking for the British TV model.
 
2013-07-26 01:48:21 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: imontheinternet: I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  The show and the books will have two different endings.  GRRM is going to kill someone off that HBO won't go along with, like Tyrion or Dany, and the two stories will diverge.

The stories have already begun to diverge. I only read it once but I think I would have remembered Sister Greyjoy going after her brother.


Not to mention Robb's wife being at the Red Wedding.
 
2013-07-26 01:48:35 PM

kbronsito: gilgigamesh: scottydoesntknow: Are they required to go by his source material? Why not do what Dexter did and go in a different direction?

Granted the source material for Dexter got weird and sucky after the first one, but I wouldn't think they have to wait for Martin to write more.

To a certain extent they have to. By the time you get to book four -- which is pretty big -- he pauses the story lines for a lot of the major characters and starts up new ones.

It wouldn't translate well to TV. Imagine a whole season that leaves a bunch of important story lines hanging in order to move on to new ones. A whole season with no Tyrion. You can get away with that in books, but the show would go over a cliff.

A seson with Tyrion would be bad... but a season without Hodor would be a farking disaster.

My two Hodor theories:
1.  Hodor is somewhat related to the Targaryens. When everyone is dead, he will get the iron throne. and he is not really retarded afterall... he was just playing the long game of thrones.
2. The word "Hodor" is magical and it kills any white walker who hears it.


How delightfully original a Hodor joke.
 
2013-07-26 01:49:21 PM

JolobinSmokin: gilgigamesh: SecretAgentWoman: I'm going to call it: The Iron Throne is just a red herring.

It's all about White Walkers/Others verses Dragons

Well, sorta. The grand arc here is the uniting all the banners of Westeros under one authority, maybe into a new nation, in time to take on the existential threat to all of them posed by the white walkers.

Then again, knowing Martin it may well be that the arc will be deepening civil war blinding everyone to the real threat until its too late, with the white walkers taking advantage of the chaos to wipe them all out.

The last half of the final book will just be 900 pages of white walkers shambling around the broken remains of civilization.

[horrorhothousereview.files.wordpress.com image 850x439]

I've seen that movie


I though that movie would be terrible but Romeo and Juliet actually works as a Zombie love story.
 
2013-07-26 01:51:38 PM
They should just do a flashback season with the overthrow of the mad king.

Bring back some of the actors who are gone now and explain all that backstory that gets eluded to constantly. It would add an extra dimension to characters we already know and knew.
 
2013-07-26 01:51:48 PM

ltdanman44: When the queen proclaims one king and the hand proclaims another, who do the gold cloaks follow?

[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x306]

The man who pays them.

[img.pandawhale.com image 850x477]

/sorry
//my favorite charactor
///no spoilers, please!


John Snow dies at the end of book 5. If you crybabies don't want spoilers don't look up the series online.

Sincerely, people who know how to read.
 
2013-07-26 01:52:17 PM

naughtyrev: gilgigamesh: scottydoesntknow: Are they required to go by his source material? Why not do what Dexter did and go in a different direction?

Granted the source material for Dexter got weird and sucky after the first one, but I wouldn't think they have to wait for Martin to write more.

To a certain extent they have to. By the time you get to book four -- which is pretty big -- he pauses the story lines for a lot of the major characters and starts up new ones.

It wouldn't translate well to TV. Imagine a whole season that leaves a bunch of important story lines hanging in order to move on to new ones. A whole season with no Tyrion. You can get away with that in books, but the show would go over a cliff.

They'll just mash 4 and 5 together - they happen mostly simultaneously anyhow, so there's no real impact except for people who are trying to read the books and aren't caught up .


Not like it was ever done before on television, right?

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-26 01:53:36 PM

kbronsito: gilgigamesh: scottydoesntknow: Are they required to go by his source material? Why not do what Dexter did and go in a different direction?

Granted the source material for Dexter got weird and sucky after the first one, but I wouldn't think they have to wait for Martin to write more.

To a certain extent they have to. By the time you get to book four -- which is pretty big -- he pauses the story lines for a lot of the major characters and starts up new ones.

It wouldn't translate well to TV. Imagine a whole season that leaves a bunch of important story lines hanging in order to move on to new ones. A whole season with no Tyrion. You can get away with that in books, but the show would go over a cliff.

A seson with Tyrion would be bad... but a season without Hodor would be a farking disaster.

My two Hodor theories:
1.  Hodor is somewhat related to the Targaryens. When everyone is dead, he will get the iron throne. and he is not really retarded afterall... he was just playing the long game of thrones.
2. The word "Hodor" is magical and it kills any white walker who hears it.


Hodor is really the alt avatar for Bela for the Creator
 
2013-07-26 01:53:51 PM

justtray: They should just do a flashback season with the overthrow of the mad king.

Bring back some of the actors who are gone now and explain all that backstory that gets eluded to constantly. It would add an extra dimension to characters we already know and knew.


When the encyclopedia comes out wouldn't be surprised if HBO did an entire flashback season covering the rule of the Targaryens so Martin can catch up.
 
2013-07-26 01:53:51 PM

ScaryBottles: ltdanman44: When the queen proclaims one king and the hand proclaims another, who do the gold cloaks follow?

[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x306]

The man who pays them.

[img.pandawhale.com image 850x477]

/sorry
//my favorite charactor
///no spoilers, please!

John Snow dies at the end of book 5. If you crybabies don't want spoilers don't look up the series online.

Sincerely, people who know how to read.


Well, He was stabbed a lot anyway, we'll see if he's dead or not.
 
2013-07-26 01:53:58 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: JerseyTim: They should just take it where it ought to be taken even if George R. R. Martin doesn't get there first: With Hot Pie on the Iron Throne.

I liked the TWoP recapper's idea of having the long-forgotten Rickon emerge after everyone else is dead, "I'm king of the north, farkers!"

Anyway, I certainly hope they'll edit down books 4 and 5 to more rigorous plot lines.


They could probably get books 4 and 5 into one season. There's not a lot that happens, at least relative to the page count. It's mostly food descriptions and wondering where whores go.
 
2013-07-26 01:55:59 PM

kbronsito: My two Hodor theories:
1. Hodor is somewhat related to the Targaryens. When everyone is dead, he will get the iron throne. and he is not really retarded afterall... he was just playing the long game of thrones.
2. The word "Hodor" is magical and it kills any white walker who hears it.


insert conspiracy Keanu jpeg here.
 
2013-07-26 01:56:09 PM

ScaryBottles: ltdanman44: When the queen proclaims one king and the hand proclaims another, who do the gold cloaks follow?

[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x306]

The man who pays them.

[img.pandawhale.com image 850x477]

/sorry
//my favorite charactor
///no spoilers, please!

John Snow dies at the end of book 5. If you crybabies don't want spoilers don't look up the series online.

Sincerely, people who know how to read.


You might want to work on your reading comprehension. There is no evidence he is actually dead and a lot of evidence that he'll be back in winds of winter.
 
2013-07-26 01:56:46 PM
Tyrion could just be on that boat for six filler seasons.
 
2013-07-26 01:56:46 PM
Can't we just get some barely literate middle aged woman to write 50 shades of Little finger?  Sure we'll have to  watch as metaphors are tortured and split but it will broaden its appeal
 
2013-07-26 02:02:11 PM

bulok: Not like it was ever done before on television, right?


Glad someone mentioned this. An entire show that was basically a giant middle finger to the audience and yet they tuned in every week and kept eating that shiat up.
 
2013-07-26 02:02:25 PM

JolobinSmokin: ScaryBottles: ltdanman44: When the queen proclaims one king and the hand proclaims another, who do the gold cloaks follow?

[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x306]

The man who pays them.

[img.pandawhale.com image 850x477]

/sorry
//my favorite charactor
///no spoilers, please!

John Snow dies at the end of book 5. If you crybabies don't want spoilers don't look up the series online.

Sincerely, people who know how to read.

Well, He was stabbed a lot anyway, we'll see if he's dead or not.


Thank you I'm tired of hearing "He can't kill Jon Snow." I bet if the internet were more prevalent when AGoT was published these same morons would have been clamoring that Ned wasn't really dead. I know for a fact that there were thousands online claiming that he would bring Robb back, they're still waiting. If they want a happy ending they should stick to Harry Potter. I see your point but the fanbois refuse to even consider that their little favorite might actually die and that really bugs me.
 
2013-07-26 02:03:11 PM

Carth: Not to mention Robb's wife being at the Red Wedding.


That's not that big of a deal. In the book she just goes off and you never hear from her again. same same.


Unless Grayjoy gets a move on she isn't going to be back in time to fight for her father's throne.


Psycoholic_Slag: Although I like GOT, the only reason I click on these threads is to see this sweetheart
[joonbug.com image 600x741]


img17.imageshack.us

She is hotter as a brunette, it is known
 
2013-07-26 02:04:03 PM

gilgigamesh: Then again, knowing Martin it may well be that the arc will be deepening civil war blinding everyone to the real threat until its too late, with the white walkers taking advantage of the chaos to wipe them all out.


this is likely... i call it the beowulf/hamlet route*

get all a-flutter about the in-house problems, close with the fact that the weird people from the north are coming and will kill everyone anyways.
 
2013-07-26 02:05:00 PM

pute kisses like a man: gilgigamesh: Then again, knowing Martin it may well be that the arc will be deepening civil war blinding everyone to the real threat until its too late, with the white walkers taking advantage of the chaos to wipe them all out.

this is likely... i call it the beowulf/hamlet route*

get all a-flutter about the in-house problems, close with the fact that the weird people from the north are coming and will kill everyone anyways.


oh. i removed my footnote, forgot to remove the asterik telling you to look for a footnote.  sorry.  (was about heremode, the originally hamlet, and the pendent, which was the original ring)
 
2013-07-26 02:06:52 PM

Carth: ScaryBottles: ltdanman44: When the queen proclaims one king and the hand proclaims another, who do the gold cloaks follow?

[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x306]

The man who pays them.

[img.pandawhale.com image 850x477]

/sorry
//my favorite charactor
///no spoilers, please!

John Snow dies at the end of book 5. If you crybabies don't want spoilers don't look up the series online.

Sincerely, people who know how to read.

You might want to work on your reading comprehension. There is no evidence he is actually dead and a lot of evidence that he'll be back in winds of winter.


Really? Citations for this supposed evidence, difficulty no fans sites or theories. Just the books period. I'll wait and I have all five within reach literally. (my apartment is a shoebox) So yeah proof or quit your cryin'
 
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