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(Science Daily)   Global warming may solve a lot of problems ... like Seattle's raging addiction to coffee, for example   (sciencedaily.com) divider line 15
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2013-07-26 01:27:17 PM
So much for taking down dams.

We'll probably add even more reservoirs to deal with the problem.

//This sucks.
 
2013-07-26 01:28:39 PM
Oh fark, nevermind

"Changes in dam operations in the McKenzie River watershed will be needed, but will not be able to make up for the vast capability of water storage in snow. "
 
2013-07-26 01:43:08 PM
Actually, as long as it doesn't completely wreak havoc on our food supply, climate change will probably be great for anybody who can afford to just pick up and move to wherever the new temperate zones wind up... hell, it's looking like my neck of the woods is going to start looking more and more like the deep south, weather-wise, so I probably won't mind too much.

/ suck if my backyard wound up turning into a desert becasue of the mountain though
 
2013-07-26 02:40:48 PM
Now, if it would only cure Seattle's raging addiction to life.
 
2013-07-26 02:51:59 PM

skozlaw: Actually, as long as it doesn't completely wreak havoc on our food supply, climate change will probably be great for anybody who can afford to just pick up and move to wherever the new temperate zones wind up... hell, it's looking like my neck of the woods is going to start looking more and more like the deep south, weather-wise, so I probably won't mind too much.

/ suck if my backyard wound up turning into a desert becasue of the mountain though


Most of the problems will occur faster than solutions will appear.
 
2013-07-26 02:58:04 PM
I was expecting the linked article to be about the disappearance of the Arabica coffee bean (the smooth-tasting one).  These beans all come from a small region in Ethiopia, so they're all succumbing to the warmer temperatures.  Only rougher-tasting Robusto beans are going to survive, barring genetic manipulation of the Arabica bean genome.
 
2013-07-26 03:00:49 PM

vygramul: Most of the problems will occur faster than solutions will appear.


Yea, but my point is that during my lifetime it'll mostly affect poor people, so I think I'm not supposed to care or something.

/ this is what a good chunk of Americans actually believe
 
2013-07-26 04:27:19 PM

skozlaw: vygramul: Most of the problems will occur faster than solutions will appear.

Yea, but my point is that during my lifetime it'll mostly affect poor people, so I think I'm not supposed to care or something.

/ this is what a good chunk of Americans actually believe


That's *those* poor people but not *my* group of poor people.
 
2013-07-26 04:33:36 PM
Before you stain your trousers, hippies, you might read the original research. From the article alone it says the yearly precipitation predicted had some pretty big error bars that don't agree with other peoples models. I don't know how he got that 56% number, but if he just ran the model a bunch of times and took the mean value assuming zero mean Gaussian process noise then that number is bogus.
 
2013-07-26 08:51:15 PM

Cucullen: Before you stain your trousers, hippies, you might read the original research. From the article alone it says the yearly precipitation predicted had some pretty big error bars that don't agree with other peoples models. I don't know how he got that 56% number, but if he just ran the model a bunch of times and took the mean value assuming zero mean Gaussian process noise then that number is bogus.


Climate science, dude. The issue is too important to get bogged down in minutiae like, is this data real or made up.
 
2013-07-27 01:03:09 AM

Global warming will kill almost all life on Earth by 2075, probably earlier.

(Prediction based upon 0.74 K / year temperature increase.)

 
2013-07-27 01:12:00 AM

GeneralJim: Global warming will kill almost all life on Earth by 2075, probably earlier.(Prediction based upon 0.74 K / year temperature increase.)


Hey GeneralJim - my tone got a bit out of line in the last thread; I meant to be merely sarcastic, not mean, but I posted pre-coffee, and it was a lot more hostile than I intended. I'll make an effort to be more civil from now on.

That said, Michael Mann is now suing the people who accused him of fraud for libel/slander (whichever applies), and while you restricted your accusations to Hansen, I would dearly love to see you try to argue your case in front of a judge.
 
2013-07-27 10:59:26 AM

HighZoolander: GeneralJim: Global warming will kill almost all life on Earth by 2075, probably earlier.(Prediction based upon 0.74 K / year temperature increase.)

Hey GeneralJim - my tone got a bit out of line in the last thread; I meant to be merely sarcastic, not mean, but I posted pre-coffee, and it was a lot more hostile than I intended. I'll make an effort to be more civil from now on.

That said, Michael Mann is now suing the people who accused him of fraud for libel/slander (whichever applies), and while you restricted your accusations to Hansen, I would dearly love to see you try to argue your case in front of a judge.


So would I. Heck, I'd love to see him argue it before Lindzen.
 
2013-07-27 08:23:07 PM
Tried to resist calling a subby an idiot for placing Seattle in Oregon, but am failing.

Subby is an idiot who apparently cannot tell the difference between Washington State and Oregon.

/lives in the PNW
//loves getting my drive-through latte every workday morning
 
2013-07-27 11:07:43 PM
FTA:  "This is not an issue that will just affect Oregon," said Anne Nolin, a professor in the College of Earth, Ocean, and Atmospheric Sciences, and co-author of the study. "You may see similar impacts almost anywhere around the world that has low-elevation snow in mountains, such as in Japan, New Zealand, Northern California, the Andes Mountains, a lot of Eastern Europe and the lower-elevation Alps."

Tell me, do the Cascade Mountains stop in Oregon? Where does Seattle get its fresh water from? Isn't there like only 280 km between Seattle, Washington, and Portland, Oregon by road?

Why Seattle? Because Seattle=coffee and a "Like Water for Chocolate" joke doesn't work with Portland.

Kudos to acohn for making the Ethiopia-coffee connection. The genetic diversity of coffee is indeed under threat from climate change in the Ethiopian highlands, just when we need to find drought-resistant and heat-resistant genes and possibly face new insect pests, fungi, etc., due to invasive species and climate change. Already, in the Sudan, water issues have played almost as big a role in the civil warfare between the North (Muslim) and South (Christian) as oil. The Ethiopian highlands are where that water comes from, and where coffee originated.

Wake up and smell the coffee, people! Climate change doesn't pick its victims.

On the plus side, both Oregon and Washington might be able to grow great wines some day--the Napa valley has warmed much faster than the rest of America and both water and heat threaten to cheapen the fine wines being grown in its present local climate. Even British Columbia has a small fruit-growing region in the Okenagan Valley although most Canadian wines are not very good except for a handful of icewines such as the sweet Sauterne-like wines of Southern Ontario which benefit from Canadian frosts and a handful of other small vineyards--which export an insignificant amount of wine despite winning prizes.

Almost all of the world's ski slopes have felt the impact of declining snow fall in mountains, excepting only some of the highest regions and places where snowfall has increased due to changing wind patterns. A great short-medium term investment might be the companies that make the machines that create artificial snow. And North West vineyards. Eventually many ski regions may fail.
 
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