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(Opposing Views)   Cops go to the wrong address, scare a 72-year-old man, and then shoot him dead. Their excuse? The lighting was bad and they couldn't see what was going on   (opposingviews.com) divider line 64
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2013-07-26 01:59:13 PM  
8 votes:
I'm so sick of the creeping expectation that we all owe our lives to cops' margin of error, that our deaths or the deaths of our family and pets, is an acceptable price to pay so that cops can do their jobs and have some degree of safety. And it only gets worse as the militarization of police continues and as SWAT teams and similar overpowering forces become a more and more common response to lesser and lesser events.

This is why I simply don't give a rat's ass when we have some big, maudlin pity-parade of cops in their dress blues all lining up for one of their own wounded or killed on duty. The farker probably had it coming anyway.
2013-07-26 01:46:36 PM  
7 votes:
How often do we hear about a SWAT team breaking in to a house and actually shooting someone who is a threat?  Does that happen at all or is it always innocent people?

/militarization of police forces is BAD.
2013-07-26 01:43:44 PM  
6 votes:
1. Verify the address at which the alleged crime is taking place.
2. If you don't verify the address, at least verify that the alleged crime is taking place.
3. If you don't verify the crime, at least verify your alleged criminal.
4. If you don't verify the criminal, at least verify that lethal force is necessary.
5. If you don't verify that lethal force is necessary, at least truthfully report what happened.
6. If you don't truthfully report what happened, at least have the dignity to put yourself on administrative leave.

Sweet Jesus, how bad do you have to suck at law enforcement, at being ethical, at being human, to fail that checklist?
2013-07-26 02:09:39 PM  
5 votes:

orclover: Just a daily reminder everyone!  Cops will kill you and yer entire family and suffer no consequences.  And there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.  Oh just be innocent and cooperate?  Sorry, yer dead anyways, thanks for playing.


And thus:

1) Never talk to them unless you have no choice. (like if your insurance company won't pay without a police report.)

2) Never consent to anything

3) Always ask if you are free to go

4) Never believe a farking word they say when they are trying to get you to do or say something.


It's so sad. I am old enough to remember when there was trouble I was glad to see a cop. Good times.
2013-07-26 02:07:16 PM  
4 votes:
Avoid police at all costs. They are not highly trained intelligent people. They are criminals and thugs on the right side of the law. Even if you are in the right, you are in the wrong when the police are involved.
2013-07-26 11:46:53 AM  
4 votes:
When I went for my first hunting license when a wee lad (I think I was 11), the first rule we were taught was "know your target."

I haven't shot a gun in years and I still hear that in my head every time I pick one up.
2013-07-26 02:46:37 PM  
3 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: sugardave: Holy fark, AssFace Nina, the son of the deceased said his dad never left the garage.

Holy fark, boogerdave, where did you find the son's eyewitness account?


FTFA - "My father never stepped outside of his garage," said Waller's son, Chris. "He was shot multiple times in the chest only a few steps away from the doorway to his kitchen."

So, are you saying the account of the son is somehow less trustworthy than the officers' who needed to cover their asses after shooting some old man in the dark?  Interesting.
2013-07-26 02:29:02 PM  
3 votes:
If it was too dark to read a white street number on the curb, and a clearly visible street number on the mailbox, then how the HELL was it light enough to see he was definitely holding a gun?

Sorry you stupid cops, you can't have it both ways.
2013-07-26 02:21:21 PM  
3 votes:

JPINFV: At least the officers went home at the end of their shift. That's the only thing that matters, after all. You know, since they put their lives on the line every day to protect you. So if it comes between them having the possibility of being injured or killing a civilian, killing the civilian isn't wrong. After all, if the sheep don't like how the sheepdog is protecting them from the wolf, it's simple enough to go through the academy and strap on a vest. Until you know what they go through everyday, you can't begin to judge any action in the name of officer safety.


It is funny how many cops and other people believe this crap.

www.riskmanagementmonitor.com

Cops are LESS LIKELY to die on the job than
* Fishermen
* Loggers
* Pilots and flight engineers
* Farmers
* Miners
* Roofers
* Garbage men
* Professional drivers
* industrial machine workers

They score TENTH

Maybe, just maybe, the risk doesn't justify blasting every innocent citizen that causes you a little concern.

/Heretic, I know.
2013-07-26 01:52:45 PM  
3 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The officers identified themselves and ordered Waller to drop the gun, but he pointed it at the officers, prompting Hoeppner to shoot Waller, according to the affidavit.

Ready for a home invasion, not ready for the police.

/did they take it from his cold, dead hand?


Except they lied about his location, so did they also lie about him pointing a gun?  $1M says yes. You can send it to me in small, unmarked bills.
2013-07-26 11:41:21 AM  
3 votes:
Note to self.

Pick up some glow in the dark paint and write my street and number on the front, back and sides of my house.
2013-07-26 03:03:47 PM  
2 votes:

Mock26: In defense of the cops, it can be very difficult to see the number on a house when the lighting is crappy or nonexistent.  Getting the wrong house because of bad lighting is understandable.

In defense of intelligence, though, they were on the wrong farking side of the street! Nearly every place I have ever been in this country has odd numbers on one side of the street and even on the other.  I imagine that the cops were looking the numbers as they drove by, and if they saw the numbers were 400 - 402 - 404 or 412 - 410 - 408 then why did they not turn their farking heads and start looking at the odd numbered houses?!?!?!?!?!?

So yeah, their stupidity completely cancels out any excuse for bad lighting and getting the wrong house.  This should be manslaughter charges for the shooter(s) and the firing of everyone else involved on the response.


Absolutely. If you can't see the numbers on the house, it is an understandable mistake.
It's not like the cop cars have any tool for high powered illumination on them right?...

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..oh.
2013-07-26 02:45:59 PM  
2 votes:
They should probably stop worrying about disarming citizens and start disarming these farking idiot pigs instead.
2013-07-26 02:32:15 PM  
2 votes:

arentol: If it was too dark to read a white street number on the curb, and a clearly visible street number on the mailbox, then how the HELL was it light enough to see he was definitely holding a gun?

Sorry you stupid cops, you can't have it both ways.



THIS

Their flashlights were not adquate to read WHITE number on a BLACK background, but they could see well enough to tell he was not only holding a gun, but aiming it.

Please let this go to jury trial.
2013-07-26 02:30:38 PM  
2 votes:

WickerNipple: Everyone should google street view that address just to realize what a ridiculous claim these cops are making.

Not only is the address perfectly visible, but the location of that garage means these idiots had to have been traipsing around this guy's backyard with flashlights and guns.  Who wouldn't expect an armed homeowner to respond to that in TX?


THIS

They were in his side/back yard with guns and flashlight on a dark night AND HAD NOT ANNOUNCED THEMSELVES.  Sure looks like a home invasion from the receiving end.

If announcing yourself is "too much risk" maybe you shouldn't be a cop at all.
2013-07-26 02:22:51 PM  
2 votes:

LaughingRadish: I want to see blunders like this result in hard time being served by the sloppy cops.  Until we stop accepting "oops, sorry" and say "sorry's not enough", we will continue to see more of this.


I can tell you exactly how this will end. This will disappear. The department will settle with the family for an undisclosed amount while having the family sign a binding NDA. And that will be it.

This needs to change. If I gave someone a drug that was clearly contraindicated and killed them out of my own incompetence, I'd be losing my license. The fact that a cop can do it, and still stay on the job, is sickening.
2013-07-26 02:12:51 PM  
2 votes:

thetubameister: Jesus Christ... when will this shiat STOP?!?!?

When do we - as a nation - stop allowing this?!?  When do they stop getting away with murder?


When we start licensing cops on a state/federal level, have independent oversight for cops separate from police departments, and we start providing in depth mental and psychiatric screening and support for people from the first day.

Cops have more power than a Doctor to ruin someone's life, and they're overseen far less.

kortex: They are not highly trained intelligent people.


Depending on where you're at, this is not true. Also depending on whether you're dealing with someone who's an investigator, or a beat cop.

kortex: Even if you are in the right, you are in the wrong when the police are involved.


This is coming from someone who deals with cops every day. Even if they are your friends off the job, do not involve them on the job unless you NEED to - i.e. your life is in danger, or you have to file a report for some reason. Do not do anything you are not legally required to do. Do not offer information unless you are sure you will not incriminate yourself, or you speak with a lawyer first.

If, for some reason, you are looked at as a suspect in something, say NOTHING. The police are legally allowed to mislead you to get information or a confession. They will make promises, and state there is nothing they can do to help you if you do not do X or Y. Do not fall for it. Shut up, give nothing but your name and identification, and ask for a lawyer. Do not resist, be cooperative. Do not consent to anything.
2013-07-26 02:01:26 PM  
2 votes:
Just a daily reminder everyone!  Cops will kill you and yer entire family and suffer no consequences.  And there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.  Oh just be innocent and cooperate?  Sorry, yer dead anyways, thanks for playing.
2013-07-26 01:58:31 PM  
2 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The officers identified themselves and ordered Waller to drop the gun, but he pointed it at the officers, prompting Hoeppner to shoot Waller, according to the affidavit.


Well, that's one side of the story.
2013-07-26 01:45:54 PM  
2 votes:
WTF is wrong with this country?

/Eventually if they keep on killing middle class white people they will have to account for their actions.
2013-07-26 01:40:56 PM  
2 votes:
20 goto 10;
2013-07-26 12:52:37 PM  
2 votes:

odinsposse: I'm sure if the old man shot one of the cops and blamed it on bad lighting he would also just get a stern talking too.


It's Texas. They'd have fried him faster than a retarded black man.
2013-07-26 12:48:53 PM  
2 votes:
I'm sure if the old man shot one of the cops and blamed it on bad lighting he would also just get a stern talking too.
2013-07-26 12:19:01 PM  
2 votes:
Meh, the case will be settled quickly, for way less than a jury would award, and then the police will never face the wrath they deserve.

/the new American way
2013-07-26 09:39:29 PM  
1 votes:
Why are people complaining now? They cheered for this. They called those who warned where the changes were heading "paranoid".  Ridicule and horrible insults were used against anyone who warned of the growing powers of police in the drug war, for nannying, for safety, for 'law enforcement' and so on. Americans were warned that the military personnel used in foreign occupations would become the police in this country. But the worship of 'the troops' and 'cops' went on anyway. More and more tool laws were cheered into being. After all, we could trust the cops to only go after bad people. And only those other people who lived on the wrong side of the tracks would be collateral damage. Those who warned of abuse or even plain human error were again called paranoid.

Now the foreign occupations have come home. This is how it works in an occupation. Men paranoid for their own lives shoot first. Even the ones who didn't participate in the actions overseas have been trained this way. What ever surprises them or even moves gets shot dead. The powers of the drug wars, the need to use armed men for everything, and so on mean a lot of home entries and of course all the mistakes that happen with that.

aseras: One day I want to see a homeowner drop all the cops or swat team or whatever when they try to break into the wrong home. I want the homeowner to get away scott free and get a huge settlement for the trouble of executing the cops.


That's not going to happen. They will just apply more force until the homeowner is overwhelmed and killed. They'll use a tank. They'll burn the home down. Americans cheered it on before so long as the people being attacked were properly demonized in the media. Today the cops could call in an airstrike if they have to and the public would accept it. In fact they did once a long time ago. Burned down several homes in the process.

But if enough americans start shooting back a lot of these people will quit being cops.
2013-07-26 03:41:27 PM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: For profit prisons make up less than 9% of the American Prison System. There are no for-profit LE agencies in the United States.


OMG, you just made me laugh so hard I hurt myself. Private contractors supply state and federal prisons with services other than just detention. And yes, state and federal prisons can be for-profit, too. Law enforcement agencies routinely seize assets(property and money) from criminals. Of course, sometimes they forget to make sure the people they're stealing from are actually criminals.

And then they top it off with bullshiat like this.
2013-07-26 03:30:13 PM  
1 votes:

PacManDreaming: LaughingRadish: I want to see blunders like this result in hard time being served by the sloppy cops.  Until we stop accepting "oops, sorry" and say "sorry's not enough", we will continue to see more of this.

It would be nice, but, until the police pull this kind of "accidental" crap on some politician's or other influential person's family, it probably won't ever lead to anything more than a slap on the wrist.


There was a mayor in MD who had pot planted at his house by the cops. They busted in, shot his dogs, and arrested everyone in the house. Not much came of that, a settlement and vague "SWAT reforms." The chief said the department would do it the same way again if the situation arose.
2013-07-26 03:14:13 PM  
1 votes:
Police killing innocent citizens and getting away with it is a characteristic of so called "3rd world hell holes".
2013-07-26 03:13:50 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: sugardave: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: sugardave: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AngryDragon: hardinparamedic: phenn: They should probably stop worrying about disarming citizens and start disarming these farking idiot pigs instead.

You want unarmed police a la the UK? Start by giving up your second amendment rights to private ownership.

Not willing to do that? Then your request is not realistic in the least.

How about removing the need for no-knock drug warrants and citizens feeling they need to be armed to the teeth by ending the farking war on drugs already.

That's not what this was.

Nope, just a bunch of trigger-happy jack-booted thugs itching to put some holes in someone [who pointed a gun at them].  YEEHAW!

Yeah, so what you're saying here is that when a homeowner has groups of people invading their property they should NOT be able to defend themselves.  Might as well call for banning guns, I guess.  Way to go.

Well, I'm not calling for citizens to draw on cops erroneously responding to a burglary call. But you go ahead and shoot the FedEx guy, no sense in taking chances.


Where do you live that the FedEx guy shows up with his buddies armed to the teeth in the middle of the night?  Really, this is completely indefensible.
2013-07-26 03:01:11 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: sugardave: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AngryDragon: hardinparamedic: phenn: They should probably stop worrying about disarming citizens and start disarming these farking idiot pigs instead.

You want unarmed police a la the UK? Start by giving up your second amendment rights to private ownership.

Not willing to do that? Then your request is not realistic in the least.

How about removing the need for no-knock drug warrants and citizens feeling they need to be armed to the teeth by ending the farking war on drugs already.

That's not what this was.

Nope, just a bunch of trigger-happy jack-booted thugs itching to put some holes in someone [who pointed a gun at them].  YEEHAW!


Yeah, so what you're saying here is that when a homeowner has groups of people invading their property they should NOT be able to defend themselves.  Might as well call for banning guns, I guess.  Way to go.
2013-07-26 02:55:58 PM  
1 votes:

petec:

but with the 'bad lighting' that last 4 looked like a 9 ..


that's the problem with beer goggles, hey oh!
2013-07-26 02:55:24 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AngryDragon: hardinparamedic: phenn: They should probably stop worrying about disarming citizens and start disarming these farking idiot pigs instead.

You want unarmed police a la the UK? Start by giving up your second amendment rights to private ownership.

Not willing to do that? Then your request is not realistic in the least.

How about removing the need for no-knock drug warrants and citizens feeling they need to be armed to the teeth by ending the farking war on drugs already.

That's not what this was.


Nope, just a bunch of trigger-happy jack-booted thugs itching to put some holes in someone.  YEEHAW!
2013-07-26 02:54:22 PM  
1 votes:

100 Watt Walrus: gshepnyc: I'm so sick of the creeping expectation that we all owe our lives to cops' margin of error, that our deaths or the deaths of our family and pets, is an acceptable price to pay so that cops can do their jobs and have some degree of safety. And it only gets worse as the militarization of police continues and as SWAT teams and similar overpowering forces become a more and more common response to lesser and lesser events.

THIS.

This is why I simply don't give a rat's ass when we have some big, maudlin pity-parade of cops in their dress blues all lining up for one of their own wounded or killed on duty. The farker probably had it coming anyway.

Not this. Change "cops" to "blacks" and you'll see how stupid this part sounds.


That dosent make any farking sense. The police are a vast social institution which people voluntarily join and remain a part of and which have vast powers to use violence against their fellow citizens in an official capacity.

Black people share a skin color.

They aren't remotely analogous groups.
2013-07-26 02:52:34 PM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: phenn: They should probably stop worrying about disarming citizens and start disarming these farking idiot pigs instead.

You want unarmed police a la the UK? Start by giving up your second amendment rights to private ownership.

Not willing to do that? Then your request is not realistic in the least.


How about removing the need for no-knock drug warrants and citizens feeling they need to be armed to the teeth by ending the farking war on drugs already.
2013-07-26 02:50:25 PM  
1 votes:

phenn: They should probably stop worrying about disarming citizens and start disarming these farking idiot pigs instead.


You want unarmed police a la the UK? Start by giving up your second amendment rights to private ownership.

Not willing to do that? Then your request is not realistic in the least.
2013-07-26 02:49:47 PM  
1 votes:
So they'll be charged with 2nd degree murder? Negligent homicide? Manslaughter?

I mean, this is, by definition, negligent homicide.
2013-07-26 02:44:01 PM  
1 votes:

PsiChick: DO NOT DO 3. EVAR. Cops take that to mean 'I am a 'sovereign citizen' or other such bullshiat and need to be taught my place'. Go to a public place with lots of lighting if you're worried. Hospital, grocery store, somewhere with lights and cameras.


THIS.

After what happened in West Memphis in 2010, cops have stopped putting up with Sovereign Citizen crap, and acting like one is a good way to get a gun drawn on you.

If you're going to ask something like that, phrasing. "Am I under arrest, or am I behind held for some reason"?
2013-07-26 02:42:05 PM  
1 votes:

SpectroBoy: orclover: Just a daily reminder everyone!  Cops will kill you and yer entire family and suffer no consequences.  And there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.  Oh just be innocent and cooperate?  Sorry, yer dead anyways, thanks for playing.

And thus:

1) Never talk to them unless you have no choice. (like if your insurance company won't pay without a police report.)

2) Never consent to anything

3) Always ask if you are free to go

4) Never believe a farking word they say when they are trying to get you to do or say something.


It's so sad. I am old enough to remember when there was trouble I was glad to see a cop. Good times.


DO NOT DO 3. EVAR. Cops take that to mean 'I am a 'sovereign citizen' or other such bullshiat and need to be taught my place'. Go to a public place with lots of lighting if you're worried. Hospital, grocery store, somewhere with lights and cameras.

/Rest of that is solid advice, though
//I like most cops. The ones out here got my little sister back home when she was 3 and decided to take a trip to the park. I wouldn't trust a cop I did not personally know with anything.
2013-07-26 02:30:27 PM  
1 votes:

100 Watt Walrus: gshepnyc: I'm so sick of the creeping expectation that we all owe our lives to cops' margin of error, that our deaths or the deaths of our family and pets, is an acceptable price to pay so that cops can do their jobs and have some degree of safety. And it only gets worse as the militarization of police continues and as SWAT teams and similar overpowering forces become a more and more common response to lesser and lesser events.

THIS.

This is why I simply don't give a rat's ass when we have some big, maudlin pity-parade of cops in their dress blues all lining up for one of their own wounded or killed on duty. The farker probably had it coming anyway.

Not this. Change "cops" to "blacks" and you'll see how stupid this part sounds.


While I appreciate why you dimiss the second part of my statement, your analogy given as your reasoning is not a good one. The reason I say that and the reason that changing "cops" to "blacks" doesn't work is that the police - especially since 9/11, frankly - have vastly increased not only their power but also their special protections. Black people, for example, if they kill someone, do not get to have that killing judged by their own internal review board, by their own special set of rules rather than by a court of law.
2013-07-26 02:29:46 PM  
1 votes:

Ivo Shandor: You mean like the one which banks use as an excuse when they foreclose on the wrong house?


How can that possibly be? I could almost understand if it was the house next door or 2 door down, but across the street?

My address is 30 Yellow Brick rd. The house across the street is 31 Yellow Brick rd. Odd numbers, even numbers across the street.

Farking A, if a 18 year old pizza delivery driver can find a house, why can't the police or the bank??
2013-07-26 02:27:43 PM  
1 votes:

miss diminutive: Police were dispatched to 409 Havenwood Lane on May 28 because of a reported burglary. The problem was that they went to 404 Havenwood Lane instead of their intended destination.

In their defence, math is hard.


Which makes this even worse.  If these streets are numbered like all the ones I've lived on, the odd and even numbers alternate sides of the street.  Which means they weren't just a couple houses down, but on the wrong side.

I thought there were laws against giving the mentally retarded firearms.
2013-07-26 02:27:06 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: QueenMamaBee: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: QueenMamaBee: Except they lied about his location

Did they?

Yup

To make matters more complicated, the police might very well have lied in their report. The police claim that they saw a man "armed with a handgun standing near the corner of the home." They ordered him to drop the gun, and when he pointed the gun at them, the police opened fire.

And yet, Waller died inside of his garage, leaving residents of the community to wonder why there is such a blatant discrepancy between the facts and the report.

Yes, cuz everyone who gets shots instantly drops right where they're standing.


I didn't say he dropped instantly, but if he moved between the time he was shot and the time he dropped, would the police not think to put that in the farking report?
2013-07-26 02:15:50 PM  
1 votes:

gshepnyc: I'm so sick of the creeping expectation that we all owe our lives to cops' margin of error, that our deaths or the deaths of our family and pets, is an acceptable price to pay so that cops can do their jobs and have some degree of safety. And it only gets worse as the militarization of police continues and as SWAT teams and similar overpowering forces become a more and more common response to lesser and lesser events.


THIS.

This is why I simply don't give a rat's ass when we have some big, maudlin pity-parade of cops in their dress blues all lining up for one of their own wounded or killed on duty. The farker probably had it coming anyway.

Not this. Change "cops" to "blacks" and you'll see how stupid this part sounds.
2013-07-26 02:12:28 PM  
1 votes:
Going to the wrong house is a mistake, and a honest one most times.
Blasting the first person you see because your scared... That's something else.

That's a "who made these chickenshiats cops?!" levels of incompetence.

/and they lied, that's just icing on the cake.
/it should be manslaughter for the lot of them.
2013-07-26 02:12:08 PM  
1 votes:

Chewb1zz: Mock26: In defense of the cops, it can be very difficult to see the number on a house when the lighting is crappy or nonexistent.  Getting the wrong house because of bad lighting is understandable.

Now I know this since I live in Fort Worth, but our addresses are listed rather clearly on the curb, not on the house itself, and in this person's case on the mailbox as well. The curb marking is visible at night even being light reflective lettering on a black background. The poor lighting is a BS excuse.


Just pulled up the streetview....

White letters on the black background on the curb. Big mailbox with numbering facing the street. And pretty farking close to a full moon that night. Yeah...no excuse at all.

https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=404+havenwood+lane%2C+fort+wor t h&data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-97.230232!3d32.772463!2m2!1f252.81!2f68.14!4f75 !2m4!1e1!2m2!1sYMdo6QDJa7FMtqdmn6MLbg!2e0!4m10!1m9!4m8!1m3!1d33359!2d- 81.4534189!3d41.517123!3m2!1i1920!2i1072!4f13.1&fid=5
2013-07-26 02:11:19 PM  
1 votes:

gshepnyc: I'm so sick of the creeping expectation that we all owe our lives to cops' margin of error, that our deaths or the deaths of our family and pets, is an acceptable price to pay so that cops can do their jobs and have some degree of safety. And it only gets worse as the militarization of police continues and as SWAT teams and similar overpowering forces become a more and more common response to lesser and lesser events.

This is why I simply don't give a rat's ass when we have some big, maudlin pity-parade of cops in their dress blues all lining up for one of their own wounded or killed on duty. The farker probably had it coming anyway.


What's incorrect about the bolded sentiment. I completely owe my life to the fact that they've farked up elsewhere, rather than at my place.

/Getting to be like playing Russian Roulette
2013-07-26 02:11:09 PM  
1 votes:
At least the officers went home at the end of their shift. That's the only thing that matters, after all. You know, since they put their lives on the line every day to protect you. So if it comes between them having the possibility of being injured or killing a civilian, killing the civilian isn't wrong. After all, if the sheep don't like how the sheepdog is protecting them from the wolf, it's simple enough to go through the academy and strap on a vest. Until you know what they go through everyday, you can't begin to judge any action in the name of officer safety.
2013-07-26 02:10:00 PM  
1 votes:

FormlessOne: Sweet Jesus, how bad do you have to suck at law enforcement, at being ethical, at being human, to fail that checklist?


They're cops.  That means they're neither ethical nor human.
2013-07-26 02:08:27 PM  
1 votes:
Jesus Christ... when will this shiat STOP?!?!?

When do we - as a nation - stop allowing this?!?  When do they stop getting away with murder?
2013-07-26 02:06:40 PM  
1 votes:

Mock26: In defense of the cops, it can be very difficult to see the number on a house when the lighting is crappy or nonexistent.  Getting the wrong house because of bad lighting is understandable.

Now, hang on here. I'm pretty Pro-LE, but there's really no excuse here. Apparently, this happened in a major city which, as one FARKer has put it, has the addresses clearly marked. I'm also willing to bet they have Automated Location Dispatching and in-car GIS systems which should have showed them.

But I agree. This was manslaughter and negligent homicide.

Ontos: Clearly, LEO's are the only people trained well enough to be in possession of firearms.


Given the amount of LaMOE ITG Circle-Jerk types that post "in defense" of private firearm ownership on FARK and other websites (Dear God, Free Republic), I'd still trust a cop more than half these idiots on here.
2013-07-26 02:04:23 PM  
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Nina_Hartley's_Ass: QueenMamaBee: Except they lied about his location

Did they?


Yup

To make matters more complicated, the police might very well have lied in their report. The police claim that they saw a man "armed with a handgun standing near the corner of the home." They ordered him to drop the gun, and when he pointed the gun at them, the police opened fire.

And yet, Waller died inside of his garage, leaving residents of the community to wonder why there is such a blatant discrepancy between the facts and the report.
2013-07-26 02:01:21 PM  
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FTA:

To make matters more complicated, the police might very well have lied in their report. The police claim that they saw a man "armed with a handgun standing near the corner of the home." They ordered him to drop the gun, and when he pointed the gun at them, the police opened fire.

And yet, Waller died inside of his garage, leaving residents of the community to wonder why there is such a blatant discrepancy between the facts and the report.



Police lying to cover their asses!?!?!?

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I am sure this will be investigated and they will be punished with paid vacation.
2013-07-26 02:00:43 PM  
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hardinparamedic: Mr. Eugenides: But in most places 409 would be on the other side of the street from 404.  You would think that the police would know better than to go to the address on the south side of the road when it should be on the north side.

How big was this place? Most of the agencies I know of have GIS systems in car that can give everything down to street level satellite imagery of the location they are dispatched to. It even flags the actual house, not the street location of the address.

It's really useful in that it can give us past information on the household. Always nice to know if we're walking in on a paranoid schizophrenic who has a history of being violent with us.

There is no excuse for this. There is no justification. This was an insane mistake. And the fact that they've been blatantly caught in one lie automatically strips ANY credibility they had.


Can you imagine what kind of clusterfark this would be in an active shooter emergency, cops (and other first responders) showing up with their backs to the shooter while they stare at the wrong address?
2013-07-26 01:58:43 PM  
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Wangiss: vernonFL: Police were dispatched to 409 Havenwood Lane on May 28 because of a reported burglary. The problem was that they went to 404 Havenwood Lane instead of their intended destination.

If only there was some sort of global system that could be used to make sure you were at the correct address.

Maybe a system of satellites and receiving devices that map and plot your position across the globe?

No, you'd have to have some way to generate electricity in your car.  Cars are powered by burning light oils, not by electricity.


Ya know, I'm more of the mindset that it's bad that the cops shot an innocent person more than bad that they showed up at the wrong address... I know, that kind of moral relativism is frowned upon by both Fark and the Sith.
2013-07-26 01:58:37 PM  
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Mr. Eugenides: But in most places 409 would be on the other side of the street from 404.  You would think that the police would know better than to go to the address on the south side of the road when it should be on the north side.


How big was this place? Most of the agencies I know of have GIS systems in car that can give everything down to street level satellite imagery of the location they are dispatched to. It even flags the actual house, not the street location of the address.

It's really useful in that it can give us past information on the household. Always nice to know if we're walking in on a paranoid schizophrenic who has a history of being violent with us.

There is no excuse for this. There is no justification. This was an insane mistake. And the fact that they've been blatantly caught in one lie automatically strips ANY credibility they had.
2013-07-26 01:53:23 PM  
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In defense of the cops, it can be very difficult to see the number on a house when the lighting is crappy or nonexistent.  Getting the wrong house because of bad lighting is understandable.

In defense of intelligence, though, they were on the wrong farking side of the street! Nearly every place I have ever been in this country has odd numbers on one side of the street and even on the other.  I imagine that the cops were looking the numbers as they drove by, and if they saw the numbers were 400 - 402 - 404 or 412 - 410 - 408 then why did they not turn their farking heads and start looking at the odd numbered houses?!?!?!?!?!?

So yeah, their stupidity completely cancels out any excuse for bad lighting and getting the wrong house.  This should be manslaughter charges for the shooter(s) and the firing of everyone else involved on the response.
2013-07-26 01:51:34 PM  
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miss diminutive: Police were dispatched to 409 Havenwood Lane on May 28 because of a reported burglary. The problem was that they went to 404 Havenwood Lane instead of their intended destination.

In their defence, math is hard.


But in most places 409 would be on the other side of the street from 404.  You would think that the police would know better than to go to the address on the south side of the road when it should be on the north side.
2013-07-26 01:50:04 PM  
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wax_on
How often do we hear about a SWAT team breaking in to a house and actually shooting someone who is a threat? Does that happen at all or is it always innocent people?
/militarization of police forces is BAD.


I agree but this has not hing to do with that. This is about police hiring the wrong type of personality that are trained primary to save their own bacon and are not accountable for their mistakes.

They are already back on the job.
2013-07-26 01:46:21 PM  
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"even if though the police do will not lift a finger to punish their own wrongdoers"

FTFTFA
2013-07-26 01:42:22 PM  
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....gettin real tired of these "cops killin the wrong stuff at places they shouldn't be" articles.

Cops: STAAAAAHP
2013-07-26 01:37:31 PM  
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To the Radleymobile! Fire up the Balkosignal!
2013-07-26 12:41:24 PM  
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This was Texas, wasn't it....

-clicks article-

Yep.

I'm going to go with incompetence and "Decider" mentality for 500, Alex.
2013-07-26 12:34:50 PM  
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Knew it was Texas before I clicked.
2013-07-26 12:26:46 PM  
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miss diminutive: Police were dispatched to 409 Havenwood Lane on May 28 because of a reported burglary. The problem was that they went to 404 Havenwood Lane instead of their intended destination.

In their defence, math is hard.


Yes. I mean... it was pretty much the house right across the street. My GPS screws that up all the time.

/Looks like a nice neighborhood.
 
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