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2013-07-26 02:49:47 PM
So they'll be charged with 2nd degree murder? Negligent homicide? Manslaughter?

I mean, this is, by definition, negligent homicide.
 
2013-07-26 02:50:22 PM
What was I thinking. they're profession prevents them from being held accountable for their actions.
 
2013-07-26 02:50:25 PM

phenn: They should probably stop worrying about disarming citizens and start disarming these farking idiot pigs instead.


You want unarmed police a la the UK? Start by giving up your second amendment rights to private ownership.

Not willing to do that? Then your request is not realistic in the least.
 
2013-07-26 02:51:15 PM

megarian: So if I do have a meth lab and had this painted on my garage, would I be on the hook for false advertising and a meth lab? Help. I'm bad at maths.


No.  It just tells the cops which drug they have to plant inside after they burst in on a no knock warrant and shoot you 40 times.
 
2013-07-26 02:52:34 PM

hardinparamedic: phenn: They should probably stop worrying about disarming citizens and start disarming these farking idiot pigs instead.

You want unarmed police a la the UK? Start by giving up your second amendment rights to private ownership.

Not willing to do that? Then your request is not realistic in the least.


How about removing the need for no-knock drug warrants and citizens feeling they need to be armed to the teeth by ending the farking war on drugs already.
 
2013-07-26 02:53:04 PM

AngryDragon: megarian: So if I do have a meth lab and had this painted on my garage, would I be on the hook for false advertising and a meth lab? Help. I'm bad at maths.

No.  It just tells the cops which drug they have to plant inside after they burst in on a no knock warrant and shoot you 40 times.


Oh. What if I GIVE them my cocaine for funsies? We cool?
 
2013-07-26 02:53:42 PM

AngryDragon: hardinparamedic: phenn: They should probably stop worrying about disarming citizens and start disarming these farking idiot pigs instead.

You want unarmed police a la the UK? Start by giving up your second amendment rights to private ownership.

Not willing to do that? Then your request is not realistic in the least.

How about removing the need for no-knock drug warrants and citizens feeling they need to be armed to the teeth by ending the farking war on drugs already.


That's not what this was.
 
2013-07-26 02:54:22 PM

AngryDragon: hardinparamedic: phenn: They should probably stop worrying about disarming citizens and start disarming these farking idiot pigs instead.

You want unarmed police a la the UK? Start by giving up your second amendment rights to private ownership.

Not willing to do that? Then your request is not realistic in the least.

How about removing the need for no-knock drug warrants and citizens feeling they need to be armed to the teeth by ending the farking war on drugs already.


Well, for one, this wasn't a no-knock warrant.

For two, I agree with you on the drug war.
 
2013-07-26 02:54:22 PM

100 Watt Walrus: gshepnyc: I'm so sick of the creeping expectation that we all owe our lives to cops' margin of error, that our deaths or the deaths of our family and pets, is an acceptable price to pay so that cops can do their jobs and have some degree of safety. And it only gets worse as the militarization of police continues and as SWAT teams and similar overpowering forces become a more and more common response to lesser and lesser events.

THIS.

This is why I simply don't give a rat's ass when we have some big, maudlin pity-parade of cops in their dress blues all lining up for one of their own wounded or killed on duty. The farker probably had it coming anyway.

Not this. Change "cops" to "blacks" and you'll see how stupid this part sounds.


That dosent make any farking sense. The police are a vast social institution which people voluntarily join and remain a part of and which have vast powers to use violence against their fellow citizens in an official capacity.

Black people share a skin color.

They aren't remotely analogous groups.
 
2013-07-26 02:55:24 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AngryDragon: hardinparamedic: phenn: They should probably stop worrying about disarming citizens and start disarming these farking idiot pigs instead.

You want unarmed police a la the UK? Start by giving up your second amendment rights to private ownership.

Not willing to do that? Then your request is not realistic in the least.

How about removing the need for no-knock drug warrants and citizens feeling they need to be armed to the teeth by ending the farking war on drugs already.

That's not what this was.


Nope, just a bunch of trigger-happy jack-booted thugs itching to put some holes in someone.  YEEHAW!
 
2013-07-26 02:55:58 PM

petec:

but with the 'bad lighting' that last 4 looked like a 9 ..


that's the problem with beer goggles, hey oh!
 
2013-07-26 02:59:08 PM

sugardave: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AngryDragon: hardinparamedic: phenn: They should probably stop worrying about disarming citizens and start disarming these farking idiot pigs instead.

You want unarmed police a la the UK? Start by giving up your second amendment rights to private ownership.

Not willing to do that? Then your request is not realistic in the least.

How about removing the need for no-knock drug warrants and citizens feeling they need to be armed to the teeth by ending the farking war on drugs already.

That's not what this was.

Nope, just a bunch of trigger-happy jack-booted thugs itching to put some holes in someone [who pointed a gun at them].  YEEHAW!

 
2013-07-26 02:59:28 PM

Peki: GPS thigamajig


You sound old.

I'm not that young, but damn man.  GPS navigation works fine the VAST majority of the time, especially if you use it on a device that is always up to date.  Toss that 5-year-old Garmin and get a smartphone.
 
2013-07-26 03:00:24 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AngryDragon: hardinparamedic: phenn: They should probably stop worrying about disarming citizens and start disarming these farking idiot pigs instead.

You want unarmed police a la the UK? Start by giving up your second amendment rights to private ownership.

Not willing to do that? Then your request is not realistic in the least.

How about removing the need for no-knock drug warrants and citizens feeling they need to be armed to the teeth by ending the farking war on drugs already.

That's not what this was.


I'm aware of that. The militarization of the police force has led to incidents like this.  They are a direct result of the war on drugs.
 
2013-07-26 03:00:32 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Nope, just a bunch of trigger-happy jack-booted thugs itching to put some holes in someone [who pointed a gun at them].  YEEHAW!


Which, had they bothered to check the dispatch information and numerics, would never have happened.

YAY NEGLIGENCE!
 
2013-07-26 03:01:11 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: sugardave: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AngryDragon: hardinparamedic: phenn: They should probably stop worrying about disarming citizens and start disarming these farking idiot pigs instead.

You want unarmed police a la the UK? Start by giving up your second amendment rights to private ownership.

Not willing to do that? Then your request is not realistic in the least.

How about removing the need for no-knock drug warrants and citizens feeling they need to be armed to the teeth by ending the farking war on drugs already.

That's not what this was.

Nope, just a bunch of trigger-happy jack-booted thugs itching to put some holes in someone [who pointed a gun at them].  YEEHAW!


Yeah, so what you're saying here is that when a homeowner has groups of people invading their property they should NOT be able to defend themselves.  Might as well call for banning guns, I guess.  Way to go.
 
2013-07-26 03:02:33 PM

AngryDragon: The militarization of the police force has led to incidents like this.  They are a direct result of the war on drugs.


This has been going on longer than the war on drugs. Try before prohibition, and the rise of the classical major gangs in the larger cities and rural counties of the United States.

Even the concept of SWAT grew out of active shooters such as the Austin Belltower Shooting in 1966, rather than the war on drugs.

The first police in the United States used to be, as a rule, unarmed. It's an arms race at it's very definition.
 
2013-07-26 03:02:37 PM
This Opposing Views website sure seems to be getting a lot of greens on Fark........
 
2013-07-26 03:02:57 PM
sugardave

Might as well call for banning guns, I guess.

Pretty sure they have, honestly. Not a fan of Amendment II, at any rate.
 
2013-07-26 03:03:12 PM

Facetious_Speciest: Nina_Hartley's_Ass

did they take it from his cold, dead hand?

Probably. Poor guy obviously never thought he'd have to defend himself from the police. He was wrong.


let's wait to see if the gun they said he had
a) actually exists
and
b) is registered to the homeowner

the "drop gun" is a favorite tactic of cops for a reason
 
2013-07-26 03:03:24 PM
Texas tag unavailable
 
2013-07-26 03:03:47 PM

Mock26: In defense of the cops, it can be very difficult to see the number on a house when the lighting is crappy or nonexistent.  Getting the wrong house because of bad lighting is understandable.

In defense of intelligence, though, they were on the wrong farking side of the street! Nearly every place I have ever been in this country has odd numbers on one side of the street and even on the other.  I imagine that the cops were looking the numbers as they drove by, and if they saw the numbers were 400 - 402 - 404 or 412 - 410 - 408 then why did they not turn their farking heads and start looking at the odd numbered houses?!?!?!?!?!?

So yeah, their stupidity completely cancels out any excuse for bad lighting and getting the wrong house.  This should be manslaughter charges for the shooter(s) and the firing of everyone else involved on the response.


Absolutely. If you can't see the numbers on the house, it is an understandable mistake.
It's not like the cop cars have any tool for high powered illumination on them right?...

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..oh.
 
2013-07-26 03:04:21 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: BizarreMan: Note to self.

Pick up some glow in the dark paint and write my street and number on the front, back and sides of my house.

Also a big lighted sign that says, "Attention Law Enforcement: There is nothing illegal going on in this house. I swear. Please do not break into my house and kill me. Thank you."


Nothing illegal, my ass!! WHAT ARE YOU HIDING?

Now, put your hands up and empty your pockets...

/meow
 
2013-07-26 03:05:12 PM

Magorn: the "drop gun" is a favorite tactic of cops for a reason


Oh yeah. All my cop buddies carry one in their trunks for just this sort of thing. In fact, one told me last night it saved him when he gunned down a five year old.

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Because finding a gun with it's serial numbers filed down and the barrel run through with a file to eliminate the rifling isn't going to raise suspicions at ALL on a 72 year old, right FARK?
 
2013-07-26 03:05:43 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AngryDragon: hardinparamedic: phenn: They should probably stop worrying about disarming citizens and start disarming these farking idiot pigs instead.

You want unarmed police a la the UK? Start by giving up your second amendment rights to private ownership.

Not willing to do that? Then your request is not realistic in the least.

How about removing the need for no-knock drug warrants and citizens feeling they need to be armed to the teeth by ending the farking war on drugs already.

That's not what this was.


Causes and causes.

This tragedy happend because a bunch of over armed, over confident, aggressive thugs made a mistake and went to the wrong house.

The police force is a swollen morass full of over armed, over confident, aggressive thugs because ________.
 
2013-07-26 03:08:12 PM
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2013-07-26 03:09:08 PM

sugardave: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: sugardave: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AngryDragon: hardinparamedic: phenn: They should probably stop worrying about disarming citizens and start disarming these farking idiot pigs instead.

You want unarmed police a la the UK? Start by giving up your second amendment rights to private ownership.

Not willing to do that? Then your request is not realistic in the least.

How about removing the need for no-knock drug warrants and citizens feeling they need to be armed to the teeth by ending the farking war on drugs already.

That's not what this was.

Nope, just a bunch of trigger-happy jack-booted thugs itching to put some holes in someone [who pointed a gun at them].  YEEHAW!

Yeah, so what you're saying here is that when a homeowner has groups of people invading their property they should NOT be able to defend themselves.  Might as well call for banning guns, I guess.  Way to go.


Well, I'm not calling for citizens to draw on cops erroneously responding to a burglary call. But you go ahead and shoot the FedEx guy, no sense in taking chances.
 
2013-07-26 03:09:39 PM

Chewb1zz: Now I know this since I live in Fort Worth, but our addresses are listed rather clearly on the curb, not on the house itself, and in this person's case on the mailbox as well. The curb marking is visible at night even being light reflective lettering on a black background. The poor lighting is a BS excuse.


As a fellow Fort Worthian, I can second this.

Of course, it also depends on what neighborhood you're in, too.
 
2013-07-26 03:09:45 PM

Ned Stark: Causes and causes.

This tragedy happend because a bunch of over armed, over confident, aggressive thugs made a mistake and went to the wrong house.

The police force is a swollen morass full of over armed, over confident, aggressive thugs because ________.


Socialism?
 
2013-07-26 03:10:50 PM

Ned Stark: The police force is a swollen morass full of over armed, over confident, aggressive thugs because ________.


...they draw from the general population?
 
2013-07-26 03:13:07 PM
This cop was the kid who couldn't hit the ball in little league because the sun was in his eyes.
 
2013-07-26 03:13:39 PM

Ned Stark: This tragedy happend because a bunch of over armed, over confident, aggressive thugs made a mistake and went to the wrong house.

The police force is a swollen morass full of over armed, over confident, aggressive thugs because ________.


They pay shiat in many areas of the country? They purposely look for underqualified people who are less intelligent? They throw people on the streets with little mental support or preparation? They encourage hostility as a matter of policy in some areas?

Hell. The big city in my county is hiring ex FELONS as long as they aren't drug or sex crime-related felonies under a second chance program. ALWAYS nice to see gang tats on the guy you called to help you.
 
2013-07-26 03:13:50 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: sugardave: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: sugardave: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AngryDragon: hardinparamedic: phenn: They should probably stop worrying about disarming citizens and start disarming these farking idiot pigs instead.

You want unarmed police a la the UK? Start by giving up your second amendment rights to private ownership.

Not willing to do that? Then your request is not realistic in the least.

How about removing the need for no-knock drug warrants and citizens feeling they need to be armed to the teeth by ending the farking war on drugs already.

That's not what this was.

Nope, just a bunch of trigger-happy jack-booted thugs itching to put some holes in someone [who pointed a gun at them].  YEEHAW!

Yeah, so what you're saying here is that when a homeowner has groups of people invading their property they should NOT be able to defend themselves.  Might as well call for banning guns, I guess.  Way to go.

Well, I'm not calling for citizens to draw on cops erroneously responding to a burglary call. But you go ahead and shoot the FedEx guy, no sense in taking chances.


Where do you live that the FedEx guy shows up with his buddies armed to the teeth in the middle of the night?  Really, this is completely indefensible.
 
2013-07-26 03:14:13 PM
Police killing innocent citizens and getting away with it is a characteristic of so called "3rd world hell holes".
 
2013-07-26 03:14:25 PM
After reading the news story that was linked in the link, sounds like a really horrible accident and the police are doing damage control.

Sounds like they went there expecting to run into people robbing a house. Man standing in the dark with a gun, he doesn't drop it so they have to shoot. He was just defending his property and was probably confused/scared. I'm guessing an investigation will show this but the only people who will be punished were whoever falsified the report.

Heh, these militarization comments always make me laugh like every street cop has a rocket launcher and a .50 cal on his tank.
 
2013-07-26 03:14:31 PM

LaughingRadish: I want to see blunders like this result in hard time being served by the sloppy cops.  Until we stop accepting "oops, sorry" and say "sorry's not enough", we will continue to see more of this.


It would be nice, but, until the police pull this kind of "accidental" crap on some politician's or other influential person's family, it probably won't ever lead to anything more than a slap on the wrist.
 
2013-07-26 03:14:42 PM

Enemabag Jones: WTF is wrong with this country?


Eisenhower warned us of the Military-Industrial Complex when leaving office.  SWAT teams are simply part of that system.  We have no one to blame but ourselves for putting up with this bullshiat for 60 years now.
 
2013-07-26 03:14:44 PM

Maul555: Wangiss: vernonFL: Police were dispatched to 409 Havenwood Lane on May 28 because of a reported burglary. The problem was that they went to 404 Havenwood Lane instead of their intended destination.

If only there was some sort of global system that could be used to make sure you were at the correct address.

Maybe a system of satellites and receiving devices that map and plot your position across the globe?

No, you'd have to have some way to generate electricity in your car.  Cars are powered by burning light oils, not by electricity.

Uhh...  Hello... are you from the past?  We have these alternator things now...


Uhh... Hello... You're all missing a very rudimentary point here. Even the earliest gasoline burning cars had some sort of electrical generating device, be it a magneto, generator, or whatever. It won't fire without a spark. Period.
 
2013-07-26 03:16:29 PM

basemetal: Meh, the case will be settled quickly, for way less than a jury would award, and then the police will never face the wrath they deserve.

/the new American way


Settled?  This should not be just a civil matter a murder occurred.  Unless we start locking the murderers within the police department up we will never stop these heinous crimes they constantly commit.  No other profession can make as many and as large of mistakes as the police and get away with it.  Seriously, we constantly let them walk away with less than a slap on the wrist for obvious incompetence that leads to the death of other civilians.  If a non-police civilian did the same they would be in prison.  For christs sake in another article today a guy is being charged with 2 counts of manslaughter because after he wrecked his vehicle some ppl who attempted to walk up to his crash got electrocuted to death if he was a cop.. yeah notta would have happened legally to him.
 
2013-07-26 03:17:39 PM

AngryDragon: Ned Stark: Causes and causes.

This tragedy happend because a bunch of over armed, over confident, aggressive thugs made a mistake and went to the wrong house.

The police force is a swollen morass full of over armed, over confident, aggressive thugs because ________.

Socialism?

For-profit prison systems/"Tough on crime" Law enforcement agencies dependent on tax payer funds/Corporate influence

FTFY.
 
2013-07-26 03:18:48 PM

Wangiss: vernonFL: Police were dispatched to 409 Havenwood Lane on May 28 because of a reported burglary. The problem was that they went to 404 Havenwood Lane instead of their intended destination.

If only there was some sort of global system that could be used to make sure you were at the correct address.

Maybe a system of satellites and receiving devices that map and plot your position across the globe?

No, you'd have to have some way to generate electricity in your car.  Cars are powered by burning light oils, not by electricity.


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We need some way to push it!
 
2013-07-26 03:19:40 PM

PacManDreaming: For-profit prison systems/"Tough on crime" Law enforcement agencies dependent on tax payer funds/Corporate influence


For profit prisons make up less than 9% of the American Prison System. There are no for-profit LE agencies in the United States.

I understand your issue with them, but pretending they're the reason why this situation exists is silly. The major factor in the overstep of law enforcement authority in the last 30 years has been directly related to the War on Drugs and War on Terror.
 
2013-07-26 03:21:59 PM

Magorn: b) is registered to the homeowner


It's Texas, we don't have to register our firearms.

Tat'dGreaser: Heh, these militarization comments always make me laugh like every street cop has a rocket launcher and a .50 cal on his tank.


If they did, I'd be a cop, too. Of course, I'd opt for the Quad 50.
 
2013-07-26 03:24:17 PM

PacManDreaming: If they did, I'd be a cop, too. Of course, I'd opt for the Quad 50.


You got to admit a ZSU-23-4 would be an awesome ride. Can you put spinners on a tracked vehicle?
 
2013-07-26 03:24:56 PM

PacManDreaming: If they did, I'd be a cop, too. Of course, I'd opt for the Quad 50.


That would be pretty sweet
 
2013-07-26 03:26:21 PM

hardinparamedic: PacManDreaming: For-profit prison systems/"Tough on crime" Law enforcement agencies dependent on tax payer funds/Corporate influence

For profit prisons make up less than 9% of the American Prison System. There are no for-profit LE agencies in the United States.

I understand your issue with them, but pretending they're the reason why this situation exists is silly. The major factor in the overstep of law enforcement authority in the last 30 years has been directly related to the War on Drugs and War on Terror.


Aren't there some railway lines that employ their own police department? I thought Union Pacific did.
 
2013-07-26 03:26:33 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass:

Well, I'm not calling for citizens to draw on cops erroneously responding to a burglary call. But you go ahead and shoot the FedEx guy, no sense in taking chances.


If the fedex guy is at your house in the middle of the night and seems to be a threat, sure.

Most fedex guys prefer to just ring the doorbell and leave the package on your doorstep. They have lots of deliveries to make, ya know?
 
2013-07-26 03:27:33 PM

way south: Going to the wrong house is a mistake, and a honest one most times.
Blasting the first person you see because your scared... That's something else.

That's a "who made these chickenshiats cops?!" levels of incompetence.

/and they lied, that's just icing on the cake.
/it should be manslaughter for the lot of them.


Who doesn't have a 404 house not found error from time to time.
They should lose their badge, pay restitution, and possibly lose their freedom.
 
2013-07-26 03:27:52 PM

redmid17: Aren't there some railway lines that employ their own police department? I thought Union Pacific did.


IIRC, they're actually US DOT cops in that capacity, or armed security guards.

The last major attempt at trying to start a private police force was in Arizona in the 1980s by Rural/Metro Ambulance. They were basically told by the US DOJ that they were not allowed to do for-profit policing, and that they would not be recognized as a commissioned law enforcement authority, so they disbanded it.
 
2013-07-26 03:29:07 PM
I can't even read the farking article on my phone through all those goddamn hover ads.
 
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