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(Cincinnati Enquirer)   Ohio group dedicates itself to making sure Zimmerman has more guns   (news.cincinnati.com) divider line 227
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2013-07-26 05:10:06 PM

hardinparamedic: My arguments on civil protection are made from the basis of my understanding of the law as I was taught when I took a HCP in Tennessee. Civil Protection either requires you to have been accosted with no preceding contact (i.e. someone walked up and shoved a gun in your face), or someone forcibly entered a dwelling or vehicle which you have a legal right to be in (i.e. kicked in your door, or tried to pull you out of your car). Which I honestly agree with.


I'm not sure I understand this. From the quote above, it sounds to me like unless someone actually gets the drop on you, it doesn't matter who started the fight. If there was any nonviolent interaction beforehand, neither party has any recourse if the other party escalates. I can't say I'd agree with that, but I'm not sure I'm correctly understanding the law either.
 
2013-07-26 05:18:29 PM

Onkel Buck: Not Guilty.  Can ya say it without spitting? Ha!


President Obama.  Can ya say it without acting like a crazy person?
 
2013-07-26 05:19:26 PM

Bravo Two: TerminalEchoes: Yet it still makes sense. Al Sharpton, like this group, are just inflaming the situation.

What situation? A jury found him not guilty. Whatever you THINK happened, they had the chance to convict and did not see sufficient evidence to convict. Any further "situation" that comes out of this is solely because people are pissed off and emotionally hyped up because of events they *believe* happened, not that were *proven*. Otherwise, if what they had *believed* to be true was supported by the evidence, Zim would've been convicted.

People do bad shiat, and when it can't be proven, they get to walk.  It's the same protection that keeps wrongfully accused people of being convicted of a crime, and the specific reason for our legal system working the way it does. Unless you can PROVE a crime, you're not convicted. just believing it to be true doesn't make it so.


I think you misunderstood my point. Yes, there IS a situation. The situation: someone was found not guilty yet the flames are still being fanned by pro-Martin zealots like Al Sharpton. In response, pro-Zimmerman folks have popped up in response to strongly support Zimmerman either financially or in spirit. That's the situation. Sharpton, Martin's parents, Fark, the media, and even the White House have turned this situation into "black vs. white" instead of what it actually was: an argument over self-defense. I don't think comparing these Ohio dudes to Al Sharpton is a false equivalence. At all. Both sides, either purposefully or accidentally, are still blowing this whole (finished) case way out of proportion. People need to get over it just like they got over the Casey Anthony case and let all involved people the hell alone.
 
2013-07-26 05:20:41 PM

ikanreed: Uh huh.  Sure.  Confronting invaders with weapons is correlated with higher occupant injury rates and lower property loss rates in home invasions.  So you gambled with your family and got lucky.  Congratulations.


I hope you never have to be in that situation at 5:00 AM with 3 armed men in your house protected only with your statistical correlation and a phone connecting you to the police.

Scratch that.  I hope you do.  Your opinion will change rapidly, if you survive.
 
2013-07-26 05:22:33 PM

DubyaHater: These gun nuts must be rubbing one out daily on the thought of shooting someone and getting away with it.  This must be the all-time fantasy.  Oh, and thanks for sending George Zimmerman money and glorifying this act.  Glad these people have no problem sleeping at night.


Hell, I'd send him money if I knew where to send it. His court battles aren't over yet. Butthurt libtards like you will make sure his life gets ruined, court verdicts be damned.
 
2013-07-26 05:22:54 PM

AngryDragon: ikanreed: Uh huh.  Sure.  Confronting invaders with weapons is correlated with higher occupant injury rates and lower property loss rates in home invasions.  So you gambled with your family and got lucky.  Congratulations.

I hope you never have to be in that situation at 5:00 AM with 3 armed men in your house protected only with your statistical correlation and a phone connecting you to the police.

Scratch that.  I hope you do.  Your opinion will change rapidly, if you survive.


I'm sorry you have an emotional response, and I have a data-driven response.  I know what I prefer in the cold hard light of day.
 
2013-07-26 05:28:07 PM

ikanreed: AngryDragon: ikanreed: Uh huh.  Sure.  Confronting invaders with weapons is correlated with higher occupant injury rates and lower property loss rates in home invasions.  So you gambled with your family and got lucky.  Congratulations.

I hope you never have to be in that situation at 5:00 AM with 3 armed men in your house protected only with your statistical correlation and a phone connecting you to the police.

Scratch that.  I hope you do.  Your opinion will change rapidly, if you survive.

I'm sorry you have an emotional response, and I have a data-driven response.  I know what I prefer in the cold hard light of day.


I prefer to think of it as an experiential response vs your theoretical one.  Statistically you are unlikely to be in that situation.  Denying others the right to choose for themselves is unjust in my opinion.
 
2013-07-26 05:35:14 PM

AngryDragon: ikanreed: AngryDragon: ikanreed: Uh huh.  Sure.  Confronting invaders with weapons is correlated with higher occupant injury rates and lower property loss rates in home invasions.  So you gambled with your family and got lucky.  Congratulations.

I hope you never have to be in that situation at 5:00 AM with 3 armed men in your house protected only with your statistical correlation and a phone connecting you to the police.

Scratch that.  I hope you do.  Your opinion will change rapidly, if you survive.

I'm sorry you have an emotional response, and I have a data-driven response.  I know what I prefer in the cold hard light of day.

I prefer to think of it as an experiential response vs your theoretical one.  Statistically you are unlikely to be in that situation.  Denying others the right to choose for themselves is unjust in my opinion.


And the Angry Dragon claims another victim.

Nice name.
 
2013-07-26 05:43:02 PM

3StratMan: I'll just leave this right here...
"A few questions for those upset by the Zimmerman Verdict"
http://www.dlas.org/questions-zimmerman-verdict/

Probably all lies, eh?


Saw that posted a few days ago. Great source of info for those on Team Trayvon that still don't know the basic facts surrounding this case.
 
2013-07-26 06:25:48 PM

ikanreed: shiat like this is why we know that guns-rights people are just have a secret dream of killing minorities without repercussions.


Then why would they arm a minority?  You're logic is strange.
 
2013-07-26 07:20:34 PM
Sometimes worlds collide. When an idiot encounters an asshole a conflict often occurs.


That is EXACTLY what happened.

Nothing more, nothing less. That simple.

Zimmerman was a wannabe cop and showed gross incompetence.
Martin was a wannabe roughneck with a history of violence and attacked someone for being too "provocative"

Zimmerman's irresponsibility is what initiated the incident but Martin committed the felony (assault) which got him shot. Both are to blame. period.

no "hero" no "villain"
....just a nation of stupid people jumping to idiotic conclusions based on moronic assumptions.
 
2013-07-26 07:51:44 PM

ikanreed: shiat like this is why we know that guns-rights people are just have a secret dream of killing minorities without repercussions.


I only got 2 posts into the thread before I saw something so farking stupid I just had to close the page.
 
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2013-07-26 08:10:28 PM
So much to say to the soapboxers, but momma said to keep my mouth shut and not piss people off.

©
 
2013-07-26 08:14:12 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Interpretation: Group of Ohio men want to have sex with George Zimmerman, have money to burn and are in deep denial about their homosexuality.


/// done in one

i36.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-26 08:42:58 PM
Treyvon was a thug, it's only people looking his character through rose tinted spectacles who think otherwise.
 
2013-07-26 08:53:27 PM
TerminalEchoes:

Hell, I'd send him money if I knew where to send it. His court battles aren't over yet. Butthurt libtards like you will make sure his life gets ruined, court verdicts be damned.


Send it to me. I'll make sure he gets it.
 
2013-07-26 08:55:11 PM
Sidecrab  "Treyvon[sic] was a thug"

He was a 17 year old boy.
I know a lot L O T of folks who did worse than him when in their teens.
Many of these are my friends and are now mature and responsible moms and dads.

You are an insensitive asshole.
Do you have kids?

Make no mistake. A man has a right to use lethal force for defense. If a young man is killed why can't you be less a f*cking dick about it?
 
2013-07-26 09:13:38 PM
maybe he should get weapons training so he knows where to shoot people (not in the heart)
 
2013-07-26 09:21:08 PM

craigdamage: Sidecrab  "Treyvon[sic] was a thug"


Make no mistake. A man has a right to use lethal force for defense. If a young man is killed why can't you be less a f*cking dick about it?


And that's what the pro-zimmerman crowd doesn't get. He still shot and killed a kid. He admits that he did so, and even bragged about it being "God's Plan" on television.

fark that asshole.
 
2013-07-26 09:39:51 PM

megarian: Every time someone mentions Zimmerman, god rapes a newborn koala bear and gives an extremely nice person ass cancer.


Just buried a close family friend today who died of colon cancer. He was an extremely nice person, and only 1 year older than me.

/you're not funny
//not a good way for anyone to go
///get your butt checked out regularly
 
2013-07-26 10:14:57 PM

Wretched: ///get your butt checked out regularly


I'm sure she does.
 
2013-07-26 10:51:18 PM

cretinbob: craigdamage: Sidecrab  "Treyvon[sic] was a thug"


Make no mistake. A man has a right to use lethal force for defense. If a young man is killed why can't you be less a f*cking dick about it?

And that's what the pro-zimmerman crowd doesn't get. He still shot and killed a kid. He admits that he did so, and even bragged about it being "God's Plan" on television.


Bragging? Last I checked, people tend to talk about things like "God's Plan" in the wake of terrible tragedies. If Zimmerman is saying this about what happened, then it sounds to me like he's got a good attitude about it, in whatever way the term "good" can be said to apply: he knows exactly what a terrible thing it is that he wound up having to do, and is trying to make sense of it and move forward in the most constructive way he can. That's not bragging.

We get that he killed a kid. How could we not? It has never even been in dispute. We simply don't think he should be punished for doing what he had to do to survive.
 
2013-07-26 11:04:48 PM

Millennium: Bragging? Last I checked, people tend to talk about things like "God's Plan" in the wake of terrible tragedies


thesportsquotient.com
keep farking that chicken
 
2013-07-27 10:44:15 AM

cretinbob: Millennium: Bragging? Last I checked, people tend to talk about things like "God's Plan" in the wake of terrible tragedies

[thesportsquotient.com image 576x324]
keep farking that chicken


Huh? I don't understand. What chicken am I supposed to be farking here? The verse Tim Tebow refers to in this picture is part of a letter from Paul to a particular congregation, in part explaining how he is about to be sentenced and giving them instructions for when he is gone. Part of that is to keep "God's Plan" in mind. Sounds suitably tragic to me.

Tebow isn't really quoting the verse at an appropriate time, what with it being the middle of a football game and all that. Then again, I don't know exactly when this picture was taken; he might be making some kind of statement, depending on what was going on in his life at the time. But the verse itself still fits into the context I asserted: people don't talk about "God's Plan" when something happens that they feel good about.
 
2013-07-27 01:32:52 PM

MythDragon: cowgirl toffee: My hedgehog killed and ate an earthworm. Is there any organization out there that would arm my hedgie?

btw... the earthworm was wearing a hoodie.

No horribly crappy MS paint of this incident? I feel disapointed.


Must... not... dis-appoint...

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2013-07-27 06:43:17 PM

cowgirl toffee: MythDragon: cowgirl toffee: My hedgehog killed and ate an earthworm. Is there any organization out there that would arm my hedgie?

btw... the earthworm was wearing a hoodie.

No horribly crappy MS paint of this incident? I feel disapointed.

Must... not... dis-appoint...


Awesome.
 
2013-07-27 11:49:36 PM

Albert911emt: Will having more guns make Zimmerman feel safer, thereby making it less likely that he'll harass total strangers in the street for just walking along minding their own business?


As long as they're not carrying skilttles with intent.
 
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